Potemkin and "Broken" Characters...

[@tempussub4523]

ジョニーを購入すらしてないのにステップ15フレームだから壊れた、ケイオスは40秒間(←？？)ブロックさせられるから壊れているだなんて浅い間違った認識で物を語る彼は狂っている。 ポチョは完璧だなんて言ってる時点で彼は政治家だ。 少なくともスーパーアーマーで壊れた試合が数えきれない、ポチョムキンが行なっていることは全盛期のスレイヤーと何も変わらない。 正しい認識を得るためには一定の期間、そのキャラクターたちを使い続ける必要がある。

[@tuxedocatfish]

it's a weird thing because i think pot could stand to eat a nerf or two right now, like that's 100% true, but there are characters who make Reddit go apeshit if they're ever this good and ones where nobody but pros seem to even notice

[@tuxedocatfish]

it's not just Pot either, like imagine if Axl were top 3

[@danielwitt1793]

I think people would rather have a grappler be top tier than a zoner. At least the grappler has to move into a range where you also get to play the game

[@shadowbytheway1686]

@@danielwitt1793 this is such a self report i rofled

[@Iminsideyourwalls99]

​@@shadowbytheway1686for 80% of playerbase it's much easier to play defence against a grappler than a neutral against a zoner

[@Plazumah]

​@@shadowbytheway1686A lot of people don't like zoning

[@ryanstudham640]

Is Potemkin broken? Eh. Is he the Boogeyman for this patch? Absolutely.

[@uniquename6925]

If you're playing Asuka, Dizzy, or Testimate? Yes, Potemkin is broken af He's like 7:3 against fireball zoners, if not more. It's insane.

[@webbacon7106]

@@uniquename6925 it used to be the other way around, It's fine if zoners have a bad matchup against a grappler for a change. Now we can throw "learn the matchup" back at them lol

[@kerbonaut2059]

​@@uniquename6925Not pots fault that all the zoners are BAD. Potemkin is beating BAD zoners he's getting his ass kicked in by GOOD zoners like Johnny

[@letozdiarstek4930]

Sadly.

[@voidroom4364]

8:27 I have never felt more heard. I resent Anji's high health from the bottom of my heart.

[@Hazzzyyyyyy]

Same bro.

[@zikradvd]

preach

[@Snooopysniper12]

He needs high hp because his parry mechanic makes him take more risk I mean it's simple

[@voidroom4364]

@@Snooopysniper12 I can't tell if this reply is sarcasm or not.

[@SuperBradical]

Someone wake me up when this game stops rewarding characters with 50% meter while they do goddamn nothing.

[@raven_knight_076]

You're gonna wake up in fucking purgatory lol

[@Pandaman64]

rip van winkle over here trying to sleep for a generation

[@antant6217]

the worst feeling is doing a combo to goldlewis and realizing that you're losing because you gave them half their meter by trying to kill them

[@DetectiveTM2]

Literally only problem I have with Pot is all the superarmour they gave him. I have no problem with hammerfall and slidehead having armour, but Buster? Really? Kara's fine, it takes a small margin of skill at least, but if you dont have a multihitting move you just die... it's not fun. The reason people are crying about Pot from a casual standing is purely because he's one of the least interactable Strive characters atm. Garuda changes also sucked. Otherwise I love him, please Arcsys just remove armour on PotBuster

[@letozdiarstek4930]

Garuda is understandable, buster armor could be worse though honestly.

[@a.diovolotrejo5760]

Or remove kara cancel

[@Pandaman64]

Buster armor is...meh I think. It's only active frames so it's not like it's as good as the old 2 frame startup buster

[@bungusbajablast2877]

i think it's to give more leniency on garuda tick throws

[@olafkopciara9720]

A wise guilty gear player once said (like 3 months ago) "There's always a Boogeyman". I wonder who that might be haha

[@antant6217]

i think Nago's probably the best-designed heavy because he actually has a lot of risks and downsides to balance out some of his oppressiveness. The other heavy characters don't really have similar weaknesses and either have good neutral or reasonable defensive measures, which is kinda stupid when their offenses are the best in the game. Honestly, the removal of Slayer's reversal is one of my favorite changes. They actively added a weakness to a heavy character's defense and I honestly think they should to that to more of them. I don't think characters with oppressive offense should have access to strong things like super PRC or a reversal, at least not if they're going to benefit from meter mechanics and be so difficult to kill. Whenever a Potemkin asks me about fighting Axl, I always tell them to stop FDing so much because converting your HP into tension is so overwhelmingly powerful in this game.

[@Nyagro]

Still a Mahjong ass game as Daisuke intended.

[@voidroom4364]

"The sand at the bottom of hell is magical sand." ~ Daisuke Ishiwatari

[@__-be1gk]

Season 4 was supposed to be the season of all these "Crazy wacky changes that will really shake things up and totally 'ruin the game' haha" but Pot feels like the only character who actually walked away with anything meaningful. An armored command grab and projectile garuda both just fundamentally break rules of the game and of fighting games as a whole, and like, that's cool, but why is Pot the only character who has anything insane like that? Like imagine giving Pot armored buster and giving Testament stain popping on throws and thinking those are in any way comparable. If you're going to let characters break rules and be insane, every character should be like that, not just one.

[@TheVenerableMrKrieg]

You know armored or even invincible command grabs are pretty common, right? Especially in Arcsys games? There's at least a few of either in both BB and GB. Not quite Arcsys but DNF's Grappler is loaded with armor with an armored grab being his staple, and so on. It's really not that weird at all. Projectile Garuda IS kind of wild for Strive specifically, but it's not even that crazy when you view it through the lens of many other characters also using projectiles to setup oki. Potemkin just doesn't have a dash, and he lacks a high/low mix, so his setup is a strike/throw mix with a higher payoff given it's generally harder for him to get into that position. Now, they did say they were going to tune how karas worked with moves individually, and personally I don't think karas should have come back (I say this as a Pot main from season 1 to now), but the Garuda having both the projectile property AND karas is a bit crazy since the projectile property was only added to make sure he wasn't trivial to stuff out of his gameplan with FD after he lost them. Having them back on top and travelling as far as they do is probably a bit much.

[@KaptainKommissar]

@@TheVenerableMrKrieg DBZ Broly

[@UnpronounceabIeName]

I really can't wait to see what they're planning to do with the promise of giving us more interactions per match. More interactions will also help in balancing high health characters. There's a bigger difference if most characters die in two interactions and some die in 3. Compared to if most characters die in 4 interactions and some die in 5.

[@mclovett116]

8:27 THANK YOU, now please give Chipp more HP to bridge this HP gap

[@testhekid]

were all playing for the love of the game, at this point i dont think balance is the true issue nor the servers what ive heard of romolla saying asw's decisions is the same as randomly theowing dartboards for their decisions, it must be coming from beyond the game itself, as if its not being maintained like they want it to be

[@MeatGolf2]

Galactica triggered my fight or flight

[@coolfish420]

I've been a Garuda hater since day 1. He has never needed that shit.

[@PhillapGame]

The fast rc using less meter hurts me.... I play faust. Being below average in hp just makes me feel bad when i can lose an interaction and die. Or taking risks for fun (im not too serious alot of the time) Yeah im not the best but this problem has only gotten worse and it just feels a little bad. Most my friends have kinda stopped playing. So my motivation has dropped a lil. (Kinda the reason i disliked DP rc) Just having little agency. Ironically giving us more options made us use less options. (Imo)

[@samuraileo1]

I would like to point out that Daiskue had no hand in designing Goldlewis and as far as I know he’s trying to take more of a backseat to the series as a whole. I think that’s the main cause for a lot of the balance issues. He went from having his hands on every aspect to a more management role.

[@PeskySpyCrab]

I feel like Potemkin is the same kind of top tier as Nago, Asuka (S3) and ABA. He's definately overtuned but he has counterplay and if you know what you are doing you can still win. However characters like Goldlewis Sin, Ram and Johnny just don't have weaknesses at all. They will mess you up at any range and have can just lock you down to almost garentee a win

[@KaptainKommissar]

can we have kara heat knuckle back now

[@NickJJU]

This character is utterly terrifying if you don't know how to fuzzy jump

[@skycomrade4608]

Lmao even Fuzzy jumping can't save you if the pot actually knows about it.

[@unrighteous8745]

0:58 A hurtbox? Does this game have those?

[@z1u512]

Yeah on characters arc sys hates

[@koboss]

the moves clashed, look at the visual effect

[@unrighteous8745]

@ Yeah, I'm pretty sure clashes are when two hitboxes collide without any hurtboxes being touched, hence my original comment. You'd think the best special move in the game would beat a 5K, but nope, no hurtbox in sight. Correct me if I'm wrong.

[@Leffrey]

⁠@@unrighteous8745 Pot 5K is meant to be a lingering disjointed hit for oki and to snuff dash-ins. It's not an oversight that it doesn't have a hurtbox. It's like being surprised Nago 623H and 6P clash when spaced. Both are meant to be disjoints.

[@unrighteous8745]

@@Leffrey The 5K disjoint is new in patch 1.40. It got giga-buffed along with the rest of hit kit when they removed karas (and is still buffed after they gave back karas).

[@breakaway4236]

I think they've probably moved resources away from Strive towards the next project. 3v3 also looks like an indicator for that. 4.0 really doesn't feel like their previous team worked on it. Felt like the people behind the patch didn't have enough time to familiarize themselves with the game. I would understand it if that's the case, but it still makes me kinda sad, seeing how alive the game still is. They mentioned working on online improvements again in the latest update, but I'm not hoping for much unless they really put more time/manpower behind "Strive support" after the reception of 4.0. Anyways, for what it's worth I finally went to my first local after playing this game since launch and still had a blast, even though I'm really disappointed in this patch. ✌

[@opplerdop]

For me it's not 100% just about how good they are, it's how interactive their offense is. I hate Potemkin and HC with the burning passion I do because fuzzies, IB, IBFD, and backdash are so useless against them Slot machine ass characters

[@Ahern1738]

i really appreciate hearing a bit of defense on the Potemkin broken allegations, I know Pot is strong but to consider him broken is absolutely a slap in the face to when the game had actual demons in it, and even in this patch there are still very oppressive monster characters. Potemkin is very good but people calling him broken shows me that people aren't considering the game as a whole and just saying things for the sake of it

[@Dhiontae]

When I think of "Broken" characters, I think of shit like: Super Turbo Akuma, HFTF Kakyoin and Petshop, Ivan Ooze from Power Rangers Fighting Edition. Modern stuff like DBFZ Android 21 at release and Season 1-2 Happy Chaos kind of just slide right off me. People calling STRIVE Potemkin broken with 100% confidence and conviction are off their rocker.

[@freshlymemed5680]

What I've learned is that when people screech "broken" they almost always mean not fun to play against. Like the sheer idea of having to deal with it is enough to break their mental and make them play worst hence making the thing seem stronger than it actually is. But I'm also a filthy glue eater who'll play Pot whether he's top tier or bottom gutter trash so...

[@unrighteous8745]

Garuda seems pretty broken to me. That move should not be a projectile, yet they gave it kara now too.

[@freshlymemed5680]

@@unrighteous8745 It is broken, just straight up. I like the cool combo options Pot has now but some stuff was definitely overkill and he really shouldnt have gotten kara back.

[@unrighteous8745]

@ 1. Remove kara. 2. Hyper buff everything to compensate. 3. Give back kara. 4. ????????????????????????

[@z1u512]

​@@unrighteous8745 the pot psy op is working

[@ЛеонардБолотов]

95% of players in the comments haven't seen armour on buster work even once I think kara garuda is too strong, it shouldn't be a projectile, pressure is really high on okizeme and people can't FD out of it, but pot bust? I disagree, even the idea of "but it has armour now so i can't do uhhh" applies to mashing punch or dp on wakeup (and pot bust has to be 2-3 frame button), which is already a hard commit considering other pot's options, also applies to some specials, but bust range is already big as hell, so its pretty specific If people can clarify with examples ill be glad to see them, cause i might be exaggarating, this is mostly personal exp and watching a lot of other pot matches, you never see armour on pot bust do anything.

[@RadioactiveBowl]

I've landed an armoured pot buster about 10-15 times and every time I do it feels messed up and I love it.

[@Leffrey]

It is definitely not that common, but you have to remember that 95% of the time it means that a pot buster lands that otherwise wouldn't have and with pot busters insane damage, it turns the tide of battle pretty significantly. The one scenario where it reliably makes a difference is roundstart, beating most fS or HS options and getting immense reward off of it. Similarly, seeing Hammerfall Breaks armour is very rare in my experience. 100% agree that garuda should be reverted now that karas are back.

[@drinkingproblem8934]

Pot's only broken move is flick, the ability to flick every single faust item and even Afro explosion, flick asuka out of existence All while being an exceptionally good button all around for both pressure and neutral THAT'S a broken move to me, because at least garuda and buster don't discriminate on how absurdly powerful they are

[@Leffrey]

Flick does have an _enormous_ hurt box though. It's not that great as a poke because of that and having lost the tumble on uncharged flick also makes it useless for combos (unless it confirms into wallsplat). It really is just there to shut down projectiles and it is damn good at doing just that, but it's not like Faust doesn't have pokes of his own that can easily counter-hit flick. Happy Chaos can just wait for flick to end and fire. Asuka's really the only one shafted by flick now, but there are ways to play around it. Great move for sure, but it is kind of meant to be his anti-zoning tool, so I'm not too surprised it works well against zoners (except Axl)

[@carb1290]

Hotashi on that SMT4 ost bug

[@babafgc3795]

I think Potemkin is a very strong character. But broken? I personally don’t think so. I think he could stand for some nerfs. Particularly with his overall tension gain. I’m not going to get in depth with it here in the comments. But I do hope that we get to see him toned down a bit in the coming patch. Or they just shoot him. Idc. I just want my Kara’s.

[@marik8770]

no more xrd here?

[@Hawko1313]

My metric for broken is how easily the opposing character can apply guard crush to me. In that respect, nothing compares the old HC

[@gurtygee]

I want to see the game balance if ASW gives everyone 3 bars to work with.

[@Nickythepickle]

I wish Faust was stronger

[@henriquerodrigues7795]

Wish this game was playable ngl, I downloaded it back after the video about online you made and after hours and a couple of days without being able to find matches i just gave up and uninstalled again. I've given up hope that they'll ever fix online and matchmaking at this point, just gonna wait for whatever new gg will be

[@theoverlander4579]

And then the online for that game will be bad too

[@henriquerodrigues7795]

@theoverlander4579 probably yeah, idk. I can actually play +R just fine cuz it has matchmaking lol

[@cherrycrow9146]

They said in the roadmap they will fix it this season

[@henriquerodrigues7795]

@@cherrycrow9146 hopefully but I won't hold my breath, I've completely lost trust in them to do anything well when it comes to online and matchmaking

[@tangramman]

i hate pot. round start Kara Buster is ridiculous. Kara Garuda is a war crime. j.D is like calling down the Hammer of Dawn. once he gets meter, you'll never get Oki AND Hammerfall instantly forces a guess-for-game. why does 5K have 14 ACTIVE FRAMES. then he has the highest health by a wide margin. so anyway nerf millia

[@danielwitt1793]

Two things can be true

[@paulduvernay8532]

Have they fixed the online for this game?

[@MrPizzarand]

You know the answer

[@kerbonaut2059]

No, but the devs said they're gonna do another round of fixes of this year

[@evilded2]

It depends on when you last checked. If you mean from the crossplay thing or the hacker man: yes If you mean lobbies or matchmaking: no

[@z1u512]

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

[@paulduvernay8532]

Smh that's unfortunate. Such a fun game.

[@Nooctae]

I love watching Potemkin being good. Dirty pleasure of mine. He's hype, what can I say.

[@LiarofShinovar]

What's your opinion on glue as a beverage?

[@Hazzzyyyyyy]

He’s really not. He takes no effort anymore so he’s just boring as hell.

[@SydneySininen]

Watching high level pots is fun as hell but thinking about this character makes my hairline recede dramatically

[@KAHJIRAH]

pot feels a lot less comitall now which i dont like i miss when megafist was better projectile garuda is cracked

[@Meanpeter1]

I think grapplers will always be heavily scrutinised in the fgc, for some reason people find it more digestible for other archetypes to be pounding, but the best character in any fighting game being a grappler has always been nearly unheard of and i think people are used to this always being the case. Tending to get upset when the grappler doesn't have the usual glaringly obvious weakness that they can play around

[@Rialster]

The problem is that Pot just kinda straight up has no weakness that matters as much as he fucks you up, He gets more meter than you, more damage than you, more hp than you and you just have to hold the fact that Potemkin gets more than you which sucks

[@Meanpeter1]

​@Rialster Yeah i should probably reiterate he definitely needs some tuning and should not maintain the current state he's in lol

[@Hawko1313]

@@Rialster well, it’s also when he does have weaknesses, the way the game works let’s him burst immediately and build it back so quickly due to high health so you feel like you can never make progress vs him.

[@xornthegenki7923]

I don't really understand at 5:50 when you say there is nothing you can do against Cheryo and Red. Is it because of their experience against your characters (Bridget/Nago), MU issues with your characters or just you struggling to fight the charcater? To my knowledge, there isn't a Goldlewis player that is consistently winning every tournament, why is it that some top players find consistent success against the character, that is impossible atm for you to achieve?

[@Hotashi]

it was launch s4 version of goldlewis with pseudo infinite blockstring

[@xcreenplay7264]

Pot is broken because of online babies

[@Xavier-ns2ic]

Pottom 1 character fr

[@pedroordonez2a362]

RANG13 VS ABBYSAIRAF MENCIONADO RAHHHHH

[@bompet]

o homem foi mencionado

[@solusa1]

oh my god a top tier player who doesn't cry about pot and shares an objective viewpoint about the character???? GODBLESS YOU HOTASHI MAY YOU WIN ALL YOUR GAMES THE POTBROS NOW STAND WITH YOU

[@zikradvd]

Aight but like…. his RPS is nothing but fucked up, and he will eat through 500% of your hp though

[@lessonman_3961]

Lol

[@chickenfriedrice2808]

Feels bad when my bedman cant use any neutral option without some cross the screen hyper armor option thats plus on block half the time just kills me. Two actions on pot vrs 100 on bed and the bed loses

[@Leffrey]

Pot has exactly 1 fullscreen armoured option that's plus on block, being Slidehead, which he can't follow up on fullscreen and is in counter-hit state for the entire duration. Heat Tackle is very minus and only hits airborne at fullscreen. Hammerfall is -17 on block and slows down rapidly at fullscreen, taking over a second to reach. You can try using error 6e P as a followup if needle already hit the armour

[@kenja0685]

Is he broken? No. But I will say, with absolute certainty, that I can hit Celestial with a Day 1 Pot without losing a single round or training mode prior.

[@bushsbakedbeans2348]

Then do it

[@animaIpath]

🤡

[@gentleman1686]

please don't spread misinformation, garuda > garuda frame trap is only possible after a meaty garuda, any other garuda after the second garuda is fake and can be jumped

[@gentleman1686]

i know some big characters can't avoid the other garudas with jumping which will allow rps, but you can still react with a mash 2K, the gap is 9 frames

[@datlotad234]

I pretty sure he means that if he jumps and the pot calls it out he dies. It's the common knowledge between the players of the risk and reward that makes jumping undesirable. (Like teaching in a throw loop in street fighter.)

[@vatekanore3756]

Yes guys please jump against pot

[@sirnarwhal9911]

​​@@datlotad234 But as long as the previous Garuda isn't a meaty, anybody can jump it. It's 28f on Start-Up and 30 if Kara'd, so if he's telling people to react to Forward Fukyo which is 25f, he should be able to jump react over the next Garuda. The only problem in that clip is that Pot has meter. If he jumps it, Pot can still reset the mix with a 6P or Heat Knuckle.

[@andrewb7104]

Right mash buttons during rps. 33% you hit 2k 2d for 10% pot hp and oki. 66% lose 75% hp. Projectile Garuda is not fun.

[@invarkul7831]

As EX top 60 pot projectile garuda is ass. Kara garuda bouncing back and going forward is another level of rps that was taken from us. Think about it. You have them in the corner, just far enough to beat dp (unless it's leo) and close enough to hit. Back then they would FD and think "will he kara and I can counter with DP or will he not and we clash/I lose". And don't make me start on KBMF routes. God I miss those

[@sagelord77]

Strive players when there's a top tier that isn't the same 5 characters that have been top tier for the game's entire lifespan: 😡😡😡😡

[@danielwitt1793]

Frfr. Took 4 years for nago to even have a risk to popping (talking the health nerf) but all of a sudden pot is the badguy XD

[@demacry]

I've been playing since beta, I liked Nago, Sol, Leo being the best. Having a standard of power and presumed character ranking helps guide balancing and design. Having a strict power economy at the base level helps prevent stuff like big bodies that do everything with not enough downside. Season 4.1 Pot isn't broken, he's just badly designed.

[@OffRoadIceCreamTruck]

Literally

[@paultapping9510]

if you aren't playing at the level where any given characters bustedness becomes actually relevant, and statistically you aren't, it's just salt and ego defence.

[@unknownguy8687]

With all due respect my dude, that's a pretty stupid take. If you had to say that, I'm afraid you're acknowledging that a character is busted (and Potemkin isn't, he just has some annoying bullshit to him) which matters a lot unless you're playing stupidly bad.

[@UncleMerlin]

I love Potemkin

[@Keno_jm]

Lol I played a ram the other day, and concluded that she was indeed broken almost beyond repair. The interaction level is so low, that if you don't get a perfect round-start, you're unlikely to get back into that round. Pot on the other hand, has reasonable counterplay options. He's very strong, but at least I still feel like I get to play the game a bit before making one or two mistakes that allows him to pot buster his way to victory. Oh and the Ram I played? Said that Ram isn't broken compared to some of the other characters.

[@2b-san]

Ggst is so scrub xd