House Stark: The Hidden Truth About Their Origin? - A Song of Ice and Fire (Theory)

Welcome back for another A Song of Ice and Fire Theory Video. Today I want to talk about the origins of House Stark and the Others, and why I think they are intertwined. According to Old Nan, the Night's King, who was the 13th Lord Commander of the Night's Watch, was a Stark of Winterfell. We have also heard about some of the Kings of Winter having eyes of ice. I am wondering if all of the current Starks are actually descendants of the Others in some way. We have been told that Winterfell was built directly after the Long Night ended, but can we trust the timeline? I also think the Night's King could be down in the lowest levels of the Crypts of Winterfell. Something is hiding down there, and it most likely has something to do with the Others. Let me know what you think. Thanks for watching the video!
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[@HardToPlay]

I still can’t believe this whole world came from the imagination of one man.

[@blackwidow4564]

Only george Lucas can come close with this type of imagination

[@lemon9843]

@@blackwidow4564 Tolkien

[@blackwidow4564]

@@lemon9843 your right

[@DjangoWarheart]

And our whole world flocked to it.

[@mr.wiggles8734]

Umm frank herbert

[@Giarcnek]

There always needs to be a Stark at Winterfell...Sh*t hit the fan when the last Stark left. Magic? Hell yes.

[@Giarcnek]

I typed the above before I finished the video...Yes! a channel that doesn't skimp on the details.

[@12JoHnYb34]

"There must always be a Stark in Winterfell" - Taking into account in which contexts was "winter fell" used in stories, I think over time they started to interpret it wrong as if a Stark needs to always be physically in the castle. I think it means that when the winter falls, the long night comes, there must be a Stark in the battle against the others. It actually backs up your video and what you are saying but with this thought having in mind it just makes it more valid.

[@SelphieTheNutter]

I think its refers to both, there must always be a stark in winterfell to keep watch for the coming winter. Because that stark will have to lead the defence for the dawn

[@jonnywalker9383]

Imagine if John Snow became the night king?

[@phenominalmessi1799]

Whos here after episode 3?

[@mattyy101]

Because the description

[@MartinsGarage97]

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[@MannyG32968]

I love Old Nan.. she's like the grandma who knows what's good for you.. in this case the Stark's better pay attention!

[@TalkingThrones]

Lmao so true.

[@darrenmallett465]

As someone who studied literature as a degree, I have such respect for the fact you can create these theories from reading the novels. Mad respect man. Keep it up.

[@Zach-sx8cm]

Gosh I love these speculation videos of yours that all use the creepy white walker theme..... miss these days now that the wars over

[@factbeaglesarebest]

But this is discussing ASOIAF so it would be the Others, not white walkers.

[@herirg5500]

The picture of the 13th lord comander with the background music gives me the chills. It's terrifying, really. Thanks for the videos.

[@navstaa8397]

If I didn’t have these GoT videos to watch, I’d be going mad waiting for next season. So thanks for keeping me sane.

[@TalkingThrones]

Lmao same here. I need my fix also.

[@gogozeppeli9267]

Navstaa 321 thats kinda sad .....

[@gogozeppeli9267]

RandomTipsyLemon the books are never gonna end...whats the point...

[@rodoh4995]

IKR

[@keyamichelle710]

Navstaa 321 lol OMG ME TOO I think I need therapy I have all the books I jus keep jumping back n forth from show to books goin cray 😆 I have the banners Jewlery costumes when it’s finally over ile have a long cry GREAT VID LOTS OF INFO 💯

[@KoharuSarah]

Oh fun-fact for you: "Winterfell" is actually a word in German, written exactly like that. I translates as "Winter Fur/Coat/Pelt" animals get in the cold months of the year. So for me as a German reader, I wouldn't read it like "Winter falls/fell" but like "Winter-Fur", which is fitting as well to me, also because of the Wolves etc. ^^

[@rhi3rhi391]

Taru Chi wow!! That’s so awesome!!

[@matematicarka]

fell also means a kind of membrane, doesn’t it?

[@emilythequeen1]

It’s like being prepared for winter….

[@shakeyguinevereblanacruell6246]

I believe the reason there must always be a Stark in Winterfell is because of the Kings in the Crypt. Think about it, a spell especially a blood spell can only be as effective as it is cast if the blood line that casts it remains bound to the property. The binding of these Kings would have to be 3 fold. First of blood, then iron then earth. The first being the strongest way to keep them in check the second and third simply to bind. You do not bind a captive with a single or double cord rope or chain but a 3 fold rope or chain. The first being blood would link to the ways of the Old Gods, the second is the means by which they were captured and the third would be what is being protected.

[@viviannixon6873]

It's almost a year since this video was created and it's still accurate and relevant. You are a legend.

[@haloringindex3124]

Vivian Nixon still is, 2 years now

[@williamwhitfield6225]

@@haloringindex3124 Except they scrapped the long night prequel.

[@mikkel-carloswulff2203]

4 years now, still valid. Writer must Be lazy as f

[@bloodyneptune]

I dont know why I love the line "I tend to believe [Old Nan]" just like, that biotch knows her lore.

[@cryptogames299]

"Oh my sweet summer child... what do you know." Perfect❤❤❤

[@shaydshani]

With the description of the new pilot your theory seems even more possible. This really does seem to explain alot about the Starks. They're so used to their words and things being named what they are they for got their true history because it been so long or maybe so dark. I wish I could hear Old Nan finish her stories.

[@TalkingThrones]

I think we are going to find out some of the dark secrets about the Starks. They weren't the loving family we know from today..

[@penemuelwatcher2378]

Yeah. That's why they are so serious about "keeping their word". It's not just a matter of honor for them. It's a matter of survival.

[@penemuelwatcher2378]

@@TalkingThrones Even from the Stark stories in the books, we could all tell that the Starks have always had a cold stoic streak about them. Plus, they were known to have short tempers and low tolerance for decadence/degeneracy. They have always been known for cruel efficiency. And they live in the cold north. Extremophiles tend to shun non essentials... they work best with basic necessities... it's hard to develop a jolly disposition in that environment.

[@AshleyJones-vp1tb]

Old Nan is a OG forreal !

[@TalkingThrones]

Fook Yea!

[@thomasalston]

OGON

[@conniebiggers1359]

Remember Hodor took an iron sword from the crypts before they left Winterfell. I wonder whose sword he took? Meera took Rickard's sword. Bran took Brandon's. It doesn't say whose sword it belonged too. Could this be important? Hodor might have released a bad spirit of the Starks.

[@kevinmyers440]

Connie Biggers interesting, I don't remember thinking about that at the time

[@voldemort008]

It was also mentioned that the oldest iron swords had long since rusted into just a red stain on the statues, which could explain why the Others have made a return after so long. Their spirits had been released when the iron swords were no longer there to contain them.

[@Richard_Nickerson]

If he got his sword from the same general area as the others got theirs, then it would probably be Bran's great-grandfather. Between location in the pitch black and the fact that the older swords were literally rusting away into nothing, it would have to be one of Bran's more recent relatives. Therefore, it wouldn't be one of these evil White Walker spirits, which I dismiss as ridiculous in the first place.

[@madyjules06]

wow thanks Connie!! 😊

[@jackporridge]

Hodor

[@johnpatz8395]

I've wondered if the "vengeful spirits" were in fact not the buried Starks we see and hear of but something deeper in the crypts that the dead "Kings of Winter" were keeping contained, maybe the Night's King

[@thesummrbaby]

It may be the Queen....

[@MsSaminaable]

Your videos are simply the best, no other channel is like yours. Your videos challenges what we already think we know, you list possibilities that we would not think plausible, yet the way you explain it , it makes sense. Long after I've watched your videos I'm still thinking about the contents. Great work, your videos just go from strength to strength.

[@isishess2771]

here's my theory: The White Walkers/Others are actually all Starks that were loyal to the 13th Lord Commander and the ones in Winterfell are the descents of ones that refused to side with him. Everything with the White Walkers is either a big Stark family feud from ancient times or the 13th Lord commander has been imprisoned in Winterfell all this time and the white walkers are coming to free him.

[@Paolur]

This gives the name of the "Others" a new meaning entirely: the Starks and the Other Starks

[@Tmathh]

nah their tree ice golems set on revenge

[@loganpruitt7344]

I like this, helps wrap up why Arya killed the night king instead of Jon, one of the last true blood starks killing another ancient stark

[@FayeFaye-]

@@Paolur So not the "Others" but the "Other S" :P

[@otilaangel1076]

The quality of your theories, plus the research you do, make you stand out among all of the content creators with GOT channels. Your work is very much appreciated. Keep it up! 🙌🏽

[@conniesuper9892]

I agree with everything about the Starks. Ned told Jon in the show " A Stark has manned the wall for thousands of years". Also,the iron swords on Old Kings laps AND iron banding on dark wood door to crypts.

[@DavidGarcia-oi5nt]

Ironwood as well, it's the opposite of Weirwood (white) Ironwood (black) Ironwood is seen when ned decapitated the run away.

[@DavidGarcia-oi5nt]

Connie Super the house of black and white in Bravos, the front door is half ironwood and half Weirwood

[@Richard_Nickerson]

Or, you know, that's just how things were built given the technology and resources... and laying weapons on the graves of the fallen was common practice...

[@DavidGarcia-oi5nt]

R Nickerson nah the Swords on the laps of the Kings Of Winter is significantly symbolic, as far as the iron banding on doors? That's normal.

[@DavidGarcia-oi5nt]

But Iron is very symbolic and one should try and pay attention when it's mentioned.

[@seralexofarden5111]

was hoping for a video this weekend, thank you TT. you make the time inbetween the next season much more bearable :D

[@TalkingThrones]

Thanks Alex

[@jasonmanning6317]

I’m starting to get the feeling that we may not learn all of this by the end of season 8 but this makes total sense. The Stark’s very clearly have some deep connection to winter as they often say, “winter is coming,” whenever they attack someone as if the Stark’s are the personification of winter. Then you have the Others which are very clearly the true personification of winter. As when they come, the worst of winter also actually comes. The Stark’s are often a metaphor for the White Walkers which are themselves a metaphor for winter. And I think there is a deeper reason for this than we realize. Perhaps we will learn much of this on Sunday!

[@gracejayne88]

That's right! I remembered now when Arya killed Walder Frey and other men of House Frey, she said to one of the girls to tell everybody , "Winter came for House Frey"

[@Mia-lj7wq]

It sure is an interesting thought that the name Winterfell actually doesn't refer to where winter was defeated (as most teories goes), but instead where it started.

[@Kill-for-change]

So Starks may descend from Others if that is true Jon Snow is related to almost everything First Men,Rhoynar,Valyrians,Andals, Children of the forest(maybe) and Others(maybe).Also always wonder what happen to the original sword called Ice

[@TalkingThrones]

I would love to know. It may be in the Crypts still.

[@eds1942]

The Crypts would be my guess. And Jon does have reoccurring dreams about needing to go down to the lowest ones, were that sword is likely kept.

[@hotguymcgee9914]

William Lewing ice was the valyrian steel sword that ned used to chop off that deserters head in the first episode. it also beheaded ned in kings landing. tywin melted it down to make a sword for joffrey at his marriage and jaime to later give it to brienne

[@Kill-for-change]

bootzy wootzy There was another sword called Ice the name of the sword is older then the Valyrian steel sword. The original Ice disappeared probably during the Age of Heroes.

[@eds1942]

bootzy wootzy The Valyrian steel sword Ice was only about 400-500 years old. It was a replacement for the original Ice, which dated back to the Age of Heroes. That Ice was likely hidden in the Crypts during the Conquest to avoid the possibility of it being confiscated for the Iron Throne, incase the Starks fell to the Aegon’s forces. Of course, Torrhen ultimately decided against fighting Aegon.

[@jillymo527]

Hi! Going through some of your older videos that I missed due to "life" taking over. This is just as interesting now as it was then. Thank you for making this!

[@Marto.Sparto]

Dude i get so exited when I see you’ve uploaded, you’re by far the most consistent content creator I watch in terms of quality!

[@HiteshMufc]

If the night king can summon the dead, I’m eager to see what happens if he reachesWinterfell. Will he be able to summon the dead from the Winterfell crypts? All the kings of winter, along with Eddard and Lyanna? There’s something creepy about House Stark.

[@velimasuku8808]

Turns out he did

[@joejohnson6210]

Well, it has taken him 10 years to write one book. So, still impressive? Oh yeah. Right there with Tolkien. Maybe in some ways better. But he’s taking 10 fuckin years to write one book!!! Hurry up George. God damnit

[@SelphieTheNutter]

@@joejohnson6210 he's been too busy getting drunk on the tv shows success

[@ravengreen-fs3wf]

Their is no knight king int the books who control the others

[@daz0705]

There must be something significant with the name Winterfell, probably staring us right in the face and so obvious that were overlooking it, there is an old word " fell " when used after the name of a place that comes from the Norse word " fjall " which roughly means an area of high ground like a moor covered hill. which describes Winterfell's location perfectly, and those kind of location's historically were used as defensive positions

[@Riverfox2012]

Very good theory video! Thanks. :) A note about Jon and the NK. You mentioned how the NK wants Bran, and how he can't take his eyes off Jon whenever they've seen each other. But Jon, as we know, is Ice & Fire. What would the NK want with a Targaryen/Stark son? We know the NK is prescient somehow (that journey north to get a wight was a clear setup, perhaps the NK sent a vision to the Hound) and the NK was able to kill and turn a dragon into a WW (not a wight) and that magic combination was enough to bring down the wall. Would Jon have any special abilities if he'd been turned into WW after the battle up north? He can survive icy water, and it could be due to his combo Targaryen/Stark blood. Maybe that's why the NK has never tried to capture and turn him. He had plenty of opportunities and his WW didn't stab Jon when he had the chance.

[@lizamsilva]

No other channel comes close to yours!!! I'm obsessed!!! Amazing job!

[@Hobodeluxe960]

okay this is my fav of your videos. well researched and thought out. good job.

[@TalkingThrones]

Thank you my friend.

[@sunshineroth9605]

50th! Ha! REALLY enjoyed this one! I agree 100% with your line of thinking regarding Starks. Thank you for laying all this info out in such an organized manner....I love Old Nan, and her storytelling, she's the only one who seemed to "remember".

[@alexmosoiu9225]

This is one of your best videos ever!!! Really great!!! How you managed to put all those details together, incredible!!! Good job man!!!

[@ms.werkman7134]

Excellent video hands down one of my favorite videos you ever made

[@rhandalopez4776]

LOVE this video!!! You are awesome! Interesting facts about Ice Eyes and I have always been intrigued about the dreams and the dire wolves and the Starks history. They are definitely connected to the Night King.

[@TalkingThrones]

Thanks Rhanda!

[@nikitaylor9336]

Rhanda Lopez i believe bran is the night King.

[@ivaylo5ev]

I believe the Night Queen was captured and imprisoned by the Starks of old in the tombs, more like a hostage. The others agreed to peace conditions such that she will be freed when the next winter comes (and Starks always remind themselves of the coming of winter). All this was done in the face of a situation where the Others would wipe out the entire realm, but the NK, bound by the love to his Queen decides to honor the request of men. As an alternative to continuing their line, they also demanded the male baby sacrifices -- a practice we seem to see occurring only north of the wall. But the Starks forgot. The NQ was not freed when promised, and the sacrifices were declining until they stopped eventualy. Maybe most of the wildlings are descendands of the people living north of the wall, the ones who had to supply the babies to the NK, but failed to do so and formed tribes instead. And, here he is, the NK comes to seek the end of the deal. This is in par with @Oracle of Raelor 's oppinion below

[@Mohalshabz]

Another one! great video, you helping us to get through the long night :)

[@naomicrispin697]

Your theories leave me completely bewildered!!! Great analysis !

[@njgman]

You're videos are stellar, Dan. Thanks for helping to make the waiting time between seasons so much easier and for make us appreciate Martin's story even more.

[@jaimiehamman9747]

“You know nothing Jon Snow”...do the Wildlings still remember? Great video! I have been on a break from ASOIAF, lol. After this I am ready! 6th re-read and so many theories to add notes to. 😁

[@emmaagostini5757]

Wonderful and depth. Loved It! Really good work TT!

[@wyattredman4747]

Why cant Season 8 Just get here already....

[@hsojbean4559]

Wyatt Redman oh man, this didn’t age well

[@Iwillhurtyoureallybad]

You deserve a million subscribers

[@TalkingThrones]

You're too kind. Thank you!

[@voobster]

TT is a hard working standup guy, props full time work + making videos !

[@diplayball]

Grim Seawolf hell yeah he does

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If he ever surpasses 1 million this will quickly become an insult

[@mickeybitsko9856]

So, you're just like Joffrey, but without the moral code?

[@VivekCNair-jy4ct]

Starks must have something that the Night king wants. It belonged to him before . Could it be that Night king is one of the children of Night's king and Queen born at the Night fort and was given to the WW's before his father/mother was killed??? And their corpse/corpses is/are hidden beneath the crypts of winterfell which he wants back for him to reanimate.

[@jameswhite3415]

+Vivek C Nair Winterfell falls and that the nights king and his army just leave

[@factbeaglesarebest]

There is NO NIGHT KING...

[@martinvurbanov5335]

This Others/Stark relationship might be one of the reasons behind the others actually marching down south. "A single family ruling over the north for 8 millenia with an unbroken male line"; "There must always be a Stark in Winterfell". Maybe after Ned went South with Robert something was disturbed and the others were pissed off. In my opinion, the Starks are 'magically' the defenders of the north, and the more of them dying, the stronger the others become. Once Ned is killed and Ice is 'destroyed', that could be the incentive for the walkers to pack up and start the invasion. The only living Starks are Jon, Bran, Sansa and Arya. Bran is the three-eyed raven now, Arya is no one, Sansa is a Lannister/Bolton even though there's Stark blood in her (plus she was very enthusiastic about leaving Winterfell), so that leaves Jon the only Stark and the last line of defense against the dead. In another of your videos, you spoke about a special way to kill the Night King since he created all of the other walkers. Maybe the weapon has to be valyrian steel/dragon glass but it has to be wielded by a Stark in order for the impact to matter (just a hunch, not necessarily true). Just thoughts, however.

[@JoshSweetvale]

Ice is a relatively modern weapon, obtained around the same time the Lannisters got Brightroar.

[@rxgaribay]

Wouldn’t it be great if when they killed Ned Stark, that is when the Night King was born? Maybe all Starks had to be buried down in the crypts of Winterfell with an iron sword laying on their bodies to prevent them from turning into white walkers.

[@Egilhelmson]

Ned Stark killed the Night Watch deserter who saw the Walker well South of the Wall, in the Prelude. Well before his death.

[@Sighhhh]

Another entertaining video, I always look forward to your posts.

[@TalkingThrones]

Thank you, Mark.

[@tonshmar]

Wow! One of your best breakdowns. I see you, TThrones, you’re doing the damn-thing. 🔥 You seem to be getting better and better’er. (Yep, BETTER’ER) Great job. 👍 I’ve read you being compared to other KZbinr’s which drives home my point. There is no need to “Dis” another KZbinr as The Universe has enough room for EVERYONE. No need for competition. Your style of delivery is obviously different from others, but guess what, it works, because you ARE different. I have to be honest, It took me a second to get use to you (Subscribe) because I was so use to a different KZbinr/s and how they choose to deliver their stories. Case and point, I’m glad I did give you a chance or I’d be missing out on some really good commentary. Keep up the good work. It takes a lot of time and research to do what you and you ARE appreciated. Thank you. 🙏

[@TalkingThrones]

Thank you very much!!

[@sbard622]

fascinating stuff your insight into this literary piece is amazing, always entertaining! thanks!

[@theresacassar3595]

This is one of my favourite videos from you, makes so much sense especially with the impending prequel

[@TalkingThrones]

Thank you very much

[@theresacassar3595]

Also do you think it’s a possibility that the description of the Night’s Queen sounds like Daenerys - skin as white as the moon - Khal Drogo’s moon of my life - maybe the Night’s King is coming for another queen?

[@Vanous1999]

Theresa Cassar can't work. Targaryens was one of the common Valyrian famillies. And they left Valyria 700 years ago or something around that.

[@detestor420]

another nod to the Others being of House Stark(on the show) was the very last shot of season 7 AFTER they breached the Wall and there is an overhead shot of the Army of the Dead its the shape of the Direwolf of House Stark

[@duchessantoinette5100]

This is my favourite theory video so far. It’s full of the facts of the narrative and GRRM level intriguing. 👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼

[@TalkingThrones]

Thank you very much

[@ThisIsYourOnlyWarning]

This is so good! You’re one of the only channels that I feel has it right!

[@jmk5021]

You proposed some interesting theories that are definitely plausible and exciting to contemplate as a possible narrative going forward.

[@himanshu_dynamic]

Really like your videos man !! Waiting for the prequel now !! 🤘🤘

[@TalkingThrones]

Himanshu Bansal Thank you!

[@possumpoppy]

Craster boasted about having 99 sons and we know he sacrificed his sons. How many Lord commanders of the nights watch have we had? Perhaps this is significant

[@arbutus400]

Great Read, waited and waited for your upload video, thank you!

[@gabrieltamburini8053]

Absolutely loved this vid, house Stark is my favourite house & I've always felt there was some sort of connection between the Starks & the White Walkers. I just want the prequel to start.

[@Jockeylotforfun]

Winds HOWLING (like wolves) from the north, as WINTERFELL..Solid clues about Starks being night kings. ..kings of winter...night kings! Agreed 100% about 13th LC put in the crypts Ygritte said, "Jon Snow, ahh, an evil name, and shuddered". One also shudders when icy cold. The old night king wasn't killed because he was a half brother to the Stark (kinslaying is forbidden) that brought him down. This was really fantastic, thanks, love QOT.🌹 😊

[@TalkingThrones]

Great points! Thanks Olenna!

[@Jockeylotforfun]

Talking Thrones Dan, Thanks man! You get some much deserved R&R this weekend, Love QOT.🌹 😊

[@SP2CA]

I also believe in this one :D if he was a "Snow", that could be the reason that people thought he was from different northern houses (+Stark influence)

[@Jockeylotforfun]

SP2CA EXACTLY! Great point, I hadn't put that together till you said this. Cold winds are rising. I think those lower level tombs in the crypts where the iron swords have rusted away (according to Theon in books ) are where some of the whitewalkers have escaped. If 1 was 13th LC/nightking they could pass through the weirwood door under the night fort by him speaking his nights watch vow. QOT.🌹

[@bobsanderson6520]

So which "Snow" did Melisandre see in the flames?

[@BonanzaRoad]

This is all very compelling...with many clues and fascinating details that all intersect.

[@TalkingThrones]

Thanks, Jeff!

[@louiszanetti40]

I Absolutely Loved this Theory and Everything you do. Thank You for keeping the Citadel alive!

[@pamelarollins608]

You put together a very interesting theory. Well done, Ser!

[@holmarieox]

I'm re-watching Game of Thrones again at the moment and I have a question- do you think that there could be some deaths foreshadowed in S8 from the way those people have killed others in the past? For example, Roose stabbed Robb in the stomach - Roose dies by being stabbed in the stomach.. Ramsey killed Lady Walder and the baby by using the hounds and then he dies by the hounds.. Could this be a hint as to what S8 could hold? Maybe Shireens death could foreshadow Melissandre's.. Just a thought, would love to know your opinion

[@sebastianbodea5883]

Melissandre might. But it's almost certain that Jaime will kill Cersei with that golden hand, and for Bran its either Jon kills him or he will take the place of Bloodraven in a weirwood tree.

[@isabellamccann7395]

We all expect either Tyrion or Jaime to kill Cersei though...

[@sebastianbodea5883]

Isabella McCann yeah but you have the song "Hands of gold" foreshadowing it. Look it up

[@Richard_Nickerson]

I think it's less about deaths mirroring each other and more about people getting what they really deserve, the most justice to be delivered.

[@isabellamccann7395]

I thought I replied to u the whole time, hehe. Sorry. No, I remember, it still just seems too obvious to me, you know?

[@bobsanderson6520]

Only problem I see with the new pilot subject matter is that it probably precludes GoT from revealing the full story of the White Walkers. They'll only gives a hint and shameless tie the answer to the next spin off.

[@factbeaglesarebest]

I mean what? We will get REAL answers in Winds of Winter; almost certainly released next year.

[@defAngel]

This is way better than that season 8 leaked plot theory that made Gillly’s son super important all of a sudden.

[@bluocupcake]

Amazing theory.. Your work is always so fresh and original.. I love it 💕

[@gardengirlnc]

You have been killing it with your videos lately! I am excited to see someone else pointing out what Nan told us about Iron. I think it's important too. About the eyes as blue as ice, don't you think it's interesting that part of the Westerosi burial practice is to put stones painted with blue eyes on top of the eyes of the deceased? I think this could be important too. Maybe it's a long forgotten symbolic way of preventing the deceased from turning into a WW? Perhaps part of an old spell?

[@cfrandre8319]

gardengirlnc Some of the ancestors of Celts moved East toward China when other Celts went West thousands of years ago. Those Celts made their way around the great Gobi Desert, and a few natural mummies have been found where they had settlements. They put turquoise stones on the eyes...

[@gardengirlnc]

That is so interesting. Thanks for sharing!

[@acgonzales7]

from what I've read, the eye stones give the dead a new set of eyes and reminds ppl they should not fear death, since they believe it is not the end of existence. Also read that it's suppose to allow them to see what lies beyond in the afterlife.

[@gardengirlnc]

Oh wow, I didn't know that. It makes sense symbolically. Very interesting tid bit.

[@lanalayton7576]

Wow yes the blue eye stones!

[@absurdprince]

Can we take a brief moment to acknowledge that another Stark just wiped a whole army of baddies out and saved the day

[@mercedesgiron9208]

omg u r amazing!!!! excellent work my friend!!! thank u very much for ur dedication

[@jessicatracy8313]

Love this- such a fun video and great ideas!

[@pitchlink4499]

Theory: You closed the video with one of the family's credo's, "there must always be a Stark in Winter fell". But what if this: there currently ISN'T a Stark in Winterfell. Not officially. They all have Stark blood, sure, but Jon is a legitimate Tagaryen, not a Stark. Sansa could be considered a Lannister or a Bolton. Arya has disavowed her name countless times to become "no one", and Bran himself said that he's not Bran Stark anymore. Maybe, the Night King is growing so powerful because the Stark family finally crumbled and essentially broke their end of the deal?

[@victoryakubu5395]

The walkers maybe back to avenge the killing of Nerd Stark

[@TalkingThrones]

That would be very interesting.

[@markanthony1004]

Yeah, Nerd Stark's death was unfair. Revenge of The Nerds!!!

[@drwombat]

markanthony1004 Nerd Stark.. what's that mean?

[@Jemsters1]

Interesting, but they were active before Ned was killed.

[@jjlambonscloudyproductions]

Remember the Night King is a greenseer...he foreseen Neds Death

[@sstsaldana24]

Good video brother! You just got a new suscriber. Keep up the good work vato!

[@Dellasus2011]

Excellent Video! Can I just say I keep thinking that Winterfell is where Winter WILL fall.... This is where the NIght King will die. It is the origin and the destination... Just what continues to make me think

[@jediboo7786]

A very compelling breakdown. Great job.

[@TalkingThrones]

Thanks Shawn

[@mattchew6426]

My theory is that the current Night's King is actually Bran The Builder, and that explains his methodical approach to invading Westeros. Knowing the weaknesses of The Wall as only the one who built it would know. Launching a single spear to kill (and then claim) a dragon seems like he didn't just come up with that idea in the spur of the moment... Mr. Frosty has been chillin' and plotting this out for a minute. He knows what to do and exactly how to do it.

[@BambiLena666]

I still think the reason they got past the wall is cause Bran crossed the wall with ''the mark'' negating the magic preventing them from getting through, the same way it negated the magic in the ravens cave.

[@MrMills5454]

@@BambiLena666 dont use internet theory as your own

[@Pooty_Tang]

Glad to see you making videos again!

[@Singh_Kunal513]

Was waitin for this!!!! Interesting theory!!

[@mubarakhashmi134]

Without stark family game of thrones is waste.....

[@fireandblood8142]

uhhh nope because there are the Targaryens which without them... well, there would be no story at all (+ no dragons lmao).

[@krixpop]

Stark vs Targaryens : Direwolves vs kittens with an attitude ... take the Dragons away and the Targaryens will be meowing themselves into incest-oblivion ... ( Daenerys being the exception , of course ...) ... take the kitten and let it be raised by Direwolves , and will become a Lion : Jon Snow !

[@kiawas6]

There was more than 8000 years of story before the chumps from Valyria showed up in Westeros with dragons..Including the long night and the first showdown with the night's king which the Kings of Winter and the North took care...The Targs even though they have magic and dragons, they are nothing compared to the Starks. The Starks have survived for so long and have protected the rest of the Kingdoms...What you said is not even remotely amusing. But I understand where you are coming from with only the show as your perspective.

[@ThePonderingPenguin]

@super shredder grammar*

[@Ladymimikyu778]

Wow amazing. I enjoyed this so much 😁 thank you so much 😁 ❤️

[@TalkingThrones]

Thanks Nicole! 😘

[@havinkarthikidstube9385]

Nicole rea hi

[@dougtexas]

Excellent presentation! Your facts and analysis sound right on!

[@erikbondarenko5304]

one of your best vids, great job once again!

[@tellywebsamacharblog]

Finally U uploaded Video this week Thanks 😄 btw, Congrats Jon Snow and Yegritte Finally Crow & Wilding married now 😄😉

[@astablack8812]

You know nothing Jon snow;!!!!;

[@astablack8812]

The woman that plays Yigritta is a Scottish princess?

[@fred9532]

He really did blow her socks off properly.

[@HOTDNews]

It’s a shame that they missed important information in the tv show like old nan, Berics power of the kiss of life etc... (You could do a video on this; All important missing information)

[@TalkingThrones]

Game Of Thrones You got that right

[@shermanali2632]

Game Of Thrones :::::The prequel is a go,at HBO,an opportunity to explore the “GOT” universe more thoroughly!💥☄️🤷‍♂️✌️

[@HOTDNews]

m c yes but if you have watched the scene and read the book lots of her story was missed out

[@theWazimu]

We would need ATLEAST another 10 seasons to cover everything in the books love xD

[@gogozeppeli9267]

Game Of Thrones preston jacobs have the "what you are missing" thing videos ...check it out..

[@user-ec5mp6ko2g]

I can’t stop watching this channel keep going

[@jkumba]

Wow. You captivate with your narration. What a brilliant mind you have.

[@jessvos9195]

Thank u 😍😍😍😍 i was waiting for this

[@TalkingThrones]

Enjoy!

[@jessvos9195]

Talking Thrones i realy did , your video’s are the best . realy love this story over the night king / Stark . And really hope it’s true .

[@Kathyyyta]

I´m gonna say this first, I haven´t read the books, but i have been watching your videos and my theory is that the stark are descendants of the others, they made a pact to keep winter in the further north and the kept watch over the north, wich is why there´s always a stark in the Wall and in winterfell, the stark as a family are beings of winter which is why Ned fells so hot on the south and i belive that winter fell when the starks where not in power, because there must always be a stark in charge of the north if not the others come and make it so. So yeah i belive the Starks and the others bound the family blood to the others and as the Starks where forebode to be in danger in the very first chapter of the books, we get the white walkers bringing winter to right the wrongs, another reason i belive this is the family motto "Winter is coming" it is always said as a promise and a reminder to themselfs and their enemies, if they fall winter fell too and the white walkers come and with them winter. And thanks to your teories i belive that the old blood makes the Starks come back as walkers in their death wich is why they are trapped there waiting to fight if there is no Stark on winterfell. I hope it is comprehensible, english is not my first lenguage. This could just be my lack of sleep and overacting imagination :)

[@Abel-Jered]

Great video man. I appreciate all the time and thought that was put into it.

[@TalkingThrones]

Thanks Abel

[@txladyjane]

Awesome video helped me understand the Starks and White Walker connection better.

[@madyjules]

This was masterful ... thank you so very much, (as always)! You and GRAY AREA have such talent.. the analyses you both present: using the books to enlighten & explain much of what the TV series touches upon honestly reminds me of the techniques used for the academic study of a given subject. The resulting ideas & information are deeply intriguing and well as engaging & entertaining! I ‘m very ( and I’m certain that this is true for many other fans ) grateful & really appreciate all the time and work that you put into these fantastic videos. Thank you, again!!

[@pankajsheoran131]

The Others came back during the events of Robert's Rebellion but why? They certainly didn't want to avenge the Targaryens. They came back either because of Jon Snow being born or Rickard STARK getting boiled alive as he was related to The Others so he must hate getting boiled alive :P

[@horkusone]

Excellent video. I will have to let it roll around in my head and maybe even rewatch it before I know what I think of all of it. I am reminded that there was a time when there wasn't a Stark in WF -- when Bran left after Theon took over. I can't remember if that's when the NK started moving south or not. Great excuse to go back and check!

[@Alex9971000]

Ohh that intro with the old story and the subtle music

[@Raeanne936]

The North does not remember. But I can't wait till we do. I think he's a bastard Stark named Jon Snow. She's in the crypts of Winterfell near the thermal pool in the Gods wood. Unknowingly no, I believe he knew what he was doing.

[@TalkingThrones]

Raeanne Calender Hmmm... I likey.

[@sunshineroth9605]

I agree!

[@thomasalston]

This is what I want to see come from the crypts. Immediately following the battle/fall of winterfell.

[@isabellamccann7395]

If he was a bastard Stark named Jon Snow, that would make sense to me. EXACTLY! I think knowingly too, that's why Ned was there. Of all the places he could clean his sword, in all of Winterfell, he's RIGHT UNDER a Weirwood tree, by happy accident? NO.

[@LyLe-mc9em]

You are an Oracle of Raelor. Worry about fire not ice

[@michelesilva9491]

This makes me sad. Just reminds me of how much was set up then never answered in GOT. Even in the books I don’t know how much we are going to find out about the history of the others and their connection with the Starks. I love the connection u made between the others hating Iron and the old kinds of Winter having Iron swords across their laps to keep their spirits down there. I never understood why they make it sound like these spirits are malevolent. I wouldn’t be afraid or worried about the spirits of my ancestors coming out, so why are the Starks so troubled by this?? Maybe it is a connection to the others. I was so bummed out when HBO announced they were not going to do the Long Night prequel. I mean sure I’m excited to see the dance of the dragons come to life. But there are so many unanswered questions about the history of the others, who they are, where they came from and why, what they want. How were they defeated back then and sent to the icy north and how did they stop the nights king?? This prequel, if done right, would of explained a lot. The time line as well. And just seeing the Starks and Winterfell in the beginning is much more interesting then the Targaryens, for me anyway. I’d rather have them put the budget towards some proper diarwolfs then dragons. I just don’t think ASOIAF is going to give us enough answers about the others. I mean we are 5 books into 7 and not much has been told to us about them. I really hope HBO decides to go back and make a prequel about the long night at some point. But I’m not holding my breath.

[@SelphieTheNutter]

Im not devastated, its GRRM job to tell the story, mot HBO. He needs to stop getting drunk on hus books success and finish the bloody stories instead of relying on others to finish them for him

[@lisettetrela4934]

Thank you for the excellent research, not to mention the time, you put into making this video. It’s all so interesting and I’ll be thinking of you when the prequel comes out in a couple of years. Hopefully, HBO will go with this one..... at least this one. Have a fantastic weekend!