How a $12,999 Supermoto is CHEAP

[@stevetaylor9265]

Someone is trying to convince their wife is going to love this video.

[@TheGardenSnake]

😉

[@XPsychowaffleX]

I hate that companies are trying to lock out ECUs. If they're technically RACE bikes they should be allowing people to tune the bikes. Emissions dont matter here. Regardless if they're capable of being plated in some states, emissions shouldn't matter.

[@TheGardenSnake]

The government is even cracking down on pure race machines in certain areas. In California if you buy a street legal vehicle and turn it into a pure race vehicle it still can’t have modified exhaust or tuning. I have no idea how they’d enforce that but technically they’re trying to.

[@TheGamersRace]

​@@TheGardenSnakeCalifornia can suck eggs

[@nonnononnononno]

The Exhaust Law is also based on db limits so hits all cars on tracks close enough to have people to get made about it, Laguna Seca is the main reason... stock m2s or gt3 rs getting stopped for breaking a law is kind of funny in a fucked up way

[@TheGamersRace]

@@TheGardenSnake California can sock eggs

[@bilboswaggens2975]

@@nonnononnononnoall race tracks have db limits though. Part of the AMA inspection is a sound test.

[@Farley1173]

I still love watching your videos even 9 years later 🎉

[@mrapplecastle]

"only my supermoto is a real supermot"

[@sixpest]

People need to stop locking ECUs for real, They did that to the new Mustangs and no one bought them because of it 😂 Manufacturers are gonna have to learn 😏

[@theone5902]

You are right about the 690/701. Those aren't real sumo's. But if you only ride street and dont want insane maintenence, they are the best choice. I do like the Sherco a lot. We can get it plated aswell. Its the same price as a 500exc, but no need to buy all the sumo parts.

[@thumpertorque_]

I can ride my 690 2 hours on the highway to NYC and come back. Even can take a passenger. Can't say the same about motocross sumos. They're good for tracks and twisties but will make your life miserable on long highway rides.

[@22smcrrider96]

Couldn't agree with you more! I daily my 690 SMCR also go on rides with my girl or daughter on the back. The bike is best overall choice

[@500Sander]

id argue the exc 500 is better if you buy used, the parts are great, the brembos are great stock and for the suspension if you really want to you can get 100kg springs which makes a crazy difference. All these parts like the full motomaster setup is something you do not really need at all, ive got a 320 flame disc with stock everything else and it bites hard on my exc.

[@ogasi1798]

that's a lot of hoops and mental gymnastics man 🤣

[@TheGardenSnake]

Haha a little

[@ogasi1798]

@TheGardenSnake bargain bike though, French scalpal

[@magyarvandor1221]

Great comparison content. Thank you for that! I am wondering, though, why did you leave the TM Racing 450 or 530 SM out of the competition? They are road legal too, as far as I am concerned. That would have been a great comparison with the Sherco one.

[@TheGardenSnake]

The TM isn’t available in the US along with a few other really cool brands. Like the SWM 500 SM would beat the Sherco but it looks like they’re not bringing it in now.

[@magyarvandor1221]

@@TheGardenSnake What a shame! Cheers mate! Keep up the good work!

[@neodurden6793]

Conclusion of the video : Buy a honda crf450 and turn it into a SM.

[@lexdfox]

Truth, that's what I did.

[@fooliganvlogs]

Lookin good buddy!!

[@500Sander]

I kind of dislike calling the 690 a supermoto cause they are just too big, too heavy and the rear tank is a deal breaker, Its more of a supermoto+naked bike mix like the hypermotard for example. i have a 2023 exc500f and my ecu was not locked they could access it and change my mapping and they made it fit on my full titanium fmf system (200 dollars). Full motomaster kit is deff not comparable to anything stock for any supermoto whatsoever the brembos on the exc is perfectly fine as is or if you want it to bite hard you can buy a 320 flame disk from motomaster (200-300 dollars) though if you do get the 320 flame disc it will bite harder than any stock supermoto. Suspension is more like 200-300 dollars if you buy the springs and do the work yourself as i have on mine with full 100kg setup mainly for stunting but its adjustable. Exhaust is expensive and sumos are too but you can get deals just like the sherco with supermotos and akras from factory here in Europe though i have no clue about America.

[@Jmacfann]

I think a price you need to consider is dealer network, there are 2 licensed dealers in all of New England (Mass, VT, RI,CT NH and Maine) and they are 13 miles away from each other so might as well be 1 dealer.

[@bilboswaggens2975]

It just depends how far you want to go. I can build a RACE READY used crf450 including full motor rebuild for around 7-8k. Especially if you find one blown up. That’s shortened swingarm, triple, slipper clutch, wheels n tires, suspension, big brake kit and protection. Realistically any 17s will work if you own a lathe. Or at least just buy the rim and lace up the oem hub with new spokes to save some money. Once you start getting into street mods you gotta take into account cosmetics, lighting, paperwork. Definitely adds another grand. Either way. You could build 2 for the price of one of these if one were so inclined. My kx450 build sheet is at about 4k right now. I actually stole the suspension brakes and wheels off an aprilia rxv supermoto I found on marketplace 😂. A Hinson slipper is all I’m waiting to order now. Should be race ready for under 6k.

[@raystillwell4150]

As far as exhaust goes one of Ktm’s big selling points in the 2000’s was they came with an fmf exhaust, it wasn’t stamped in but assembly for them I remember hearing they make the frame engine and swing arm so you got talyon hubs excel hoops wp suspension pro taper bars acerbies plastics that was the “ready to race” slogan. Now suspension unless your riding to work to send it out and get valved and sprung for you is the best mod to a bike you can do! I use wer I take it off send it to them it’s $700 but my lil piglet runs track days, single track and some good ol hooliganism down stairs or jumping train tracks perfectly

[@R-S-X]

I agree with anything with long service internals being a dual sport. It's a shame Aprilia doesn't make the SXV anymore as that one that could be on the level as the Shecro even though it got banned from racing by AMCA as it's a V-TWIN. It would be a good 2nd hand bike even though there not easy to find or get parts for. Also yeah suspension is madness. Spent £800 on an Ohlins rear shock from another bike to get it restored and re valve for my little 125 2stroke. Looking at 700-1000 for Fork cartridge kit lol.

[@hrgiyzueghe]

SXV was a beast!

[@TheGardenSnake]

Man I wanted one of those SXVs and was planning to buy one. But so many issues. There was a number of them that caught fire haha.

[@AjackLee4]

​@@TheGardenSnakeYeah supposedly the biggest issue was a complete failure of engine sealant or something on the first bikes, so if you have the engine fully rebuilt after you get it (LOL) then they're *kinda* reliable. Still though. 80+HP in a sub 300lb bike is insanity.

[@binlagin]

Love my SM setup for my Honda 450RL

[@nonnononnononno]

Been looking at ES 700's for a little you can get many GASGAS bikes a 2 or 3k under MSRP seen bunch of ES700s for 8/9k I imagine you could get a ES500 for probably about the same percent off

[@22smcrrider96]

I have a 2022 SMCR and absolutely love it and wouldn't trade it for anything! I don't wanna do maintenance in hours lol

[@alex.crf450r]

I love the supermoto content tbh

[@frankindustries356]

Super Moto = MX bike/hard enduro on 17s (sometimes 16.5s) Motard = dual sports/enduros and MX looking bikes on 17s.

[@The-asphalt-cowboy]

i bought a crf450rl 2022 1200miles for 4500$ clean title with yoshi and ecu, non supermoto. i think i have won the comparison all i have to do is get a set of wheels

[@auntjanet2346]

😲

[@jaytubin5444]

Jake how do you feel about kke wheels

[@n0t_billy]

I got my beta 500 in October for just under 10 out the door

[@BIKELIFEAP]

My $13000 KLX450R is cheap considering the KTM RALLY 450 is $22,720 USD

[@josephvecchio8528]

i think jakes fluffy hat is cheapest on the market right now

[@Spartan375X]

I am stea... borrowing that chart.

[@oneeyedrover]

Maybe we call them “dual-purpose”

[@eksnacks6030]

If you need to justify buying a sherco.. one excuse is just as good as another.

[@erokrocks1567]

Can you do a dual sport supermoto comparison ? I’m debating doing some DRZ mods or going to a 701. $/hp, maintenance and relatability Also wondering about your thoughts on the rear gas tank. How bad would it be if you did loop? Thanks 🙏

[@TheGardenSnake]

I’ll think about that. It’s an interesting topic.

[@MackAdventures]

Eu wr450f nuff said 😂

[@mncam567]

Can you do a reviews on the crf 450rl would be super interested

[@TheGardenSnake]

I don’t have any direct friends with them. More of people I’ve ridden with and that’s kinda a weird ask you know. I have jumped on a few and rode them for a few miles. The one I rode with a stock ecu would just stall every time I pulled the clutch in and sometimes pulling away. The other had a vortex and road completely fine.

[@crankZOD]

@@TheGardenSnake i loved mine till it got totaled by a minivan. flame out is something that i only experienced during break in, I was hard on the bike and it went away. I am getting another one for sure in the future

[@pleasedontwatchthese9593]

What's it cost if you sell the parts you're not using?

[@TheGardenSnake]

I talked about that

[@pleasedontwatchthese9593]

@@TheGardenSnake Sorry about that then, I did watch the video but I must have spaced out. I was thinking you said if you sold only one part.

[@goldmanstacks1445]

Yeah and the honda 450rl also lasts 18k miles before a rebuild not 1800miles

[@TheGardenSnake]

Well.. if we’re to believe that ridiculous maintenance schedule

[@crankZOD]

@@TheGardenSnake there is a guy who has toured the world on one. last update was 78,000km on original piston, no valve adjustment needed, and doing oil changes whenever the opportunity but average 5000-6000km.

[@erokrocks1567]

Did you say CP2 tire?

[@TheGardenSnake]

2CT haha. I got some of the letters/numbers right

[@tbnr1492]

i got my 2023 701 new for 13k otd 0 miles

[@cappe_yt9182]

Are you trying to say my converted Enduro bike for 16k isnt cheap? Trying to tell me tires are round next?

[@Lulu-st1og]

Tm Racing!!!

[@MatteoCerrito]

JUST BUY A TM SMR 450! Trust me!

[@mitchdunn8479]

I just wanted to scream KTM 450 SMR the whole time..........

[@mitchdunn8479]

Well that's what I get for posting 3 minutes in 🤦‍♂ 🤦‍♂

[@RookieRider]

13 monkeys music haha

[@user-cl1vx7ft3y]

wow those warp9 rims are expensive. are they made in china? there are a few chinese manufacturers for mx/sm rims,some bad some good. I bought a set for 640€ and they are amazing in quality and have taken a lot of abuse

[@nuttyDesignAndFab]

iunno, DRZ SM + carb, hot cams, exhaust is probably decently comparable. Could cheap out and just get the jet kit, but a bigger bore carb goes a long way for the top end, especially with hot cams.

[@alexmaccity]

I call my tanqure 700 a super moto

[@TheGardenSnake]

Tanqure? Isn’t that gin?

[@alexmaccity]

Its a yamaha too. Lol

[@Luccas_d]

The 701 is the real hypermoto, not whatever aprilia or ducati built

[@theone5902]

The 698 mono comes close tho. 690/701 is more fun

[@TheGardenSnake]

Yes! I’ve always thought that. Hypermoto is a great term for the 690s and that new 698.

[@spottedcrow1126]

I call my 701 my chonkymoto , sweet as a only bike though.

[@thouseinthehouse]

The giveaway nonsense ahhhhhhhhhhhh

[@jrod4717]

KZbin demonetizes riding videos so often he has to do sponsors, ads, and patreon to make a living

[@PossumSwanger4]

I thought it was just motard 🤷🏼‍♂️ is that not a thing anymore cause of the tard part

[@joemaier4720]

Basically this is for the 500cc class, can you do a break down with a 400cc class?

[@hulkhulk5141]

I would give that cb away also, bought one in 2019 . Piece of 💩