How a bucket and a donut changed my dust collector

[@StumpyNubs]

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[@AlexRicketson]

How often do you replace the Wynn filters in your shop? They're pretty pricey so I'm curious how long they last before they're clogged up.

[@mikebarnett5478]

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[@StumpyNubs]

@@AlexRicketson I clean it by occasionally blowing on the outside with compressed air. Lasts for years.

[@108hindu]

Wynn is a really great company and has lots of good information. They were a pleasure to deal with.

[@rh-cv3nr]

I am confused about component orientation. Why wouldn't you want the device that creates the vacuum to be downstream of both the cyclone separator and the final filter? If you locate it in stream with the vacuumed media wouldn't that tend to plug or at least collect on the impeller blades?

[@johnosullivan856]

My 9 year old grandson recently started coming over to learn some woodworking in my shop. I am thrilled with the opportunity to teach him, build on his interest in woodworking and just spend time with him. Two problems keep this from being perfect. One is my single stage dust collector and the second is he suffers from asthma. My dust collector leaks fine dust through the filter bag so I insisted he wear a face mask but that also inhibits his breathing. I watched your video and used the link to the filter supplier. I reached out to Dick with some photos of my collector and some questions. He was amazingly helpful and recommended the filter that best suited my equipment. He even recommended your video. After explaining that is how I found him, I ordered my filter today. Thanks to you and Dick. Together you both have helped me and my grandson have a better in-shop experience.

[@DonBradway]

This video is an outstanding example of why I spend SO much time watching Stumpy Nubs! I have a Jet DC and will start making these modifications today. Thank you, once again, for helping me to make my shop safer and cleaner!

[@PainlessChiropractor]

Just collected my dust using your idea.. systems been working like a charm for three years. Thank you !

[@mbarton98]

Had this setup for a while now with the Wynn filter and bucket and have been really happy with it. Today was the first time I had the dust collector rather than the shopvac connected to the thickness planer. That was amazing to watch it easily keep up with the chips. Like your recent video mentioned, it makes it a safer and more pleasurable environment to work in when I don’t have chips all over the floor and the time saved not having to clean up that big of a mess. A benefit of that clear bottom bag is being able to see how much dust is falling back down when I use the air compressor to clean the Wynn filter.

[@KevinTalbotPhotography]

I just added a Wynn Enviro MERV 10 filter to replace the 30 micro bag on my Buck Tool 1.5 HP D/C. I can't believe the difference! The amount of fine dust in my shop is now near zero. What is still present seems to be coming mostly from my table saw at the blade as I don't have an "overhead" dust collector on it. It was a $200 "upgrade" on a $290 dust collector, but well worth it from a health and cleanliness improvement standpoint IMO. The only drawback is the D/C is now quite top-heavy with that heavy filter up top. It's quite easy to have it tip over when it rolls over a power cord. I need to add a concrete block to the base to make it more stable. Also, love your tip on adding the bucket and disposable garbage bag.

[@monteglover4133]

The bucket idea is brilliant

[@bobesposito2204]

I have the Harbor Freight 2HP Dust Collector you show. I bought the MERV 15 filter from Wynn a couple of months ago and easily installed it. What a DIFFERENCE! While the filter itself cost more than the Collector, it was more than worth the improved performance and cleaner air in my garage shop. I will try the 5 gal pail idea as well. Wynn also has a 10 pack of the clear plastic bags for a very reasonable price, which I picked up as well.

[@photonashville]

Installed the Wynn 35A274BLOL canister filter on my Jet 1100 series dust collector. The quality of the canister is superb and super easy to mount. I have been upgrading my piping with drain and sewer pipe which improved suction but the Wynn canister filter doubled my CFM over the cloth filter. I've been using an anemometer to get readings of every change I make. The filter was the greatest improvement without question. Thank you for this excellent video.

[@johnmckenzie427]

Thanks for all the info. I did exactly this canister and bucket mod to an old Electro-Beckum dust collector I had. It was okay, I thought, before. When the mod was complete, I was afraid something was wrong, because my lower collection bag was not bulging out like a balloon, like before. I now realize how much restriction my old filter bag was creating. The flow is now absolutely amazing. Thanks very much.

[@dwayneford1990]

Excellent solution. I am right in the middle of putting together my 2HP Harbor Freight dust collector complete with Wynn filter. Your method of using a 5 gallon bucket and a gamma seal ring is just brilliant! Ingenious! Thanks for this idea. This video cost me a lot of money. I bought the dust collector, the Wynn filter and another 25 bucks on fasteners Harbor Freight forgot to include - plus the 15 bucks for the gamma seal lid all because of your video. So ...... uhmmm ....... thanks? Seriously, thanks.

[@Charlesredporsche]

I'm impressed at how much better your videos have become from your earlier comic days. I love your stuff. Some of the very best of it's type.

[@djpenton779]

Brilliant. You are the best, James. I am in Ontario. I have a low-end Craftex dust collector from Busy Bee Tools. Some months ago I replaced the bag filter with a cannister filter (manufactured to fit the collector, with some lithium grease required to push the seal on). This resulted in a big reduction of the amount of fine dust collecting on surfaces in my garage shop, so I expect that it improved air quality too. However, I have long been very frustrated at the brain-dead design of the plastic bag attachment system underneath the dust collector filter. About two weeks ago I did something stupid, and jointed a large amount of hard maple (for a Chris Schwarz style workbench). I rationalized that the jointer produces chips but not much dust. (Wrong.) I had the dust collector attached, but neglected to wear my excellent Elipse P100 respirator. (I did wear the respirator for ripping and thickness planing.) This had disastrous results - pretty serious lung inflammation the next day. (No, not covid-19.) My physician has prescribed an anti-inflammatory inhaler, and told me that I could expect the inflammation (with dry cough, fatigue, malaise) to go on for two weeks or more. I am still feeling the effects. I had previously been aware that I am allergic to birch, but maple dust did me no good, and I suppose all such dust is dangerous for me. I have learned a painful lesson here. Anyway, I have launched into a project of improving my air quality, based on James' earlier video on dust collection mistakes. Meanwhile, I have been sitting around trying to figure out how to improve the disposal problem for the dust collector. And...Stumpy Nubs to the rescue! For Canadian viewers, gamma seal lids are not quite so easy to find up here. They can be ordered from Uline or Amazon. This morning I picked one up at the local TSC Store. Cheap clamps coming from Amazon. Thanks again to my favourite Michigander.

[@prometheus7504]

just to save someone else the heartache : there are no donuts of the delicious variety in this video....

[@GraemePayne1967Marine]

Yeah, but I have a Dunkin' only a 5 minute drive away.

[@akbychoice]

None that you saw.

[@t1bzy]

Click bait from stumpy! Noooooo 😭 I hate it when people lie to me through delicious tasty pastry.

[@michaelpatrick6950]

What a bodge!!! I have a Delta SSDC that looks remarkably like this unit. I replaced the OEM top bag with a 1 micron bag from Powertec and measured no decrease in airflow with an anemometer. About a year later I replaced the plastic bag with another 1 micron bag from Powertec thus increasing my filter area. Time spent: 5 minutes. No leakage as shown in the first few minutes. Yes the bottom bag isn't transparent but when the unit is off, the cloth collapses enough to see the level of chips. I discipline myself to empty the bag at half full. There are two reasons: 1) the weight is easier to maneuver & 2) it's easier to control the dust when dumping it. I slip a 30 gal trash bag over the collection bag and invert. Minimal dust out. The CFM/ft^2 with one bag is within good design parameters for industrial dust collection. With 1-1/2 (I lose half the area of the lower bag) I have plenty of filtration area and suffered no decrease in performance. Canisters in this application are a waste of money since you don't have reverse pulse cleaning.

[@martinstone6764]

Just bought a Harbor Freight single stage and wanted to upgrade. Thanks for the filter link. That really help a lot. Loved the video. Very informative.

[@boowiebear]

I switched to the Wynn Environmental filter last week. It is one of the best upgrades I have ever done for my shop and I got a SawStop last year....do it everyone!! I will do these next tips. Thank you so much!!

[@quasar1184]

I was struggling trying to find a simple solution for dust collection. Your video was very helpful, thankyou

[@johnmarks2821]

Hay Stumpy, I use to work in a custom woodshop. We had a setup similar to what you show here, for our old school 12" Dewalt Radial arm saw(we used it as a LARGE cut off saw). We also had our Bandsaw tied into it. The biggest difference is that we had a 2 blade paddle that was centered in the middle of the air filter with a handle coming out of the top. When the filter started to perform poorly, all we had to do was give the paddle handle on top a few turns. Doing this would cause the paddles inside of the filter to strike the inside of the ribs of the filter and knock the dust loose. Doing this every morning was a great way to prolong the life of the filter.

[@StumpyNubs]

It's also a great way to shorten filter life. That's just coated paper inside there. As the paddle wears the surface the pores get larger and the filter loses it's effectiveness. Low pressure compressed air blown from the outside is a better solution.

[@Michael-Makes-Stuff]

James - You’ve been on fire lately with the awesome DC info and advice. Another great video. Thanks! 👍🏼

[@mmcc_woodshop6288]

Thanks for sharing this info! I bought a Wynn Merv 15 filter from the website for my dust collector from Harbor Freight. The attachment is very simple, and the difference in fine dust around the collector is unbelievable - there is none with the Wynn filter!

[@drgwcarman]

i set this up on my grizzly single stage today. leaving only a couple of inches of the garbage bag draped on the outside to the five gallon pail didn't work. the cyclone effect sucked the bottom of the garbage bag up into the clear bag and spun it around. i reset the garbage bag and left only enough of the bag so it touched the bottom of the five gallon pail. that worked great and the garbage bag didn't get sucked up into the clear bag. very pleased with this modification. thanks for the video!

[@GraemePayne1967Marine]

I will be implementing the bucket part of this immediately! I have a Laguna roll-around DC (good) with a canister filter (better), but a strap-on plastic collector bag that needs to be emptied (awful). And I have an old 8 gallon fermentation bucket left over from my winemaking days, which has been looking for a new occupation. BAM! One Stumpy Nubs video solves both problems!

[@dabeamer42]

Thanks a bunch, James. I got my HF dust collector today (same model as in the video), and just ordered a filter from Wynn plus a gamma seal thingy.

[@biglar155]

Very timely. I have an old Delta collector with canvas bags both top and bottom that I always said created more dust than it collected. Last month I spent about $35 on and bought a pack of the heavy-duty plastic collection bags for the bottom and a supposedly "1 micron" replacement bag for the upper. My cheap experiment gave me results beyond my hopes. The system doesn't seem to vent any dust at all compared to what it used to. I still have a home-made air filtration unit with a furnace blower and MERV filters that I'll continue to use as well as a 3/4 face-mask that gets put on the moment chips start flying. (Any other woodworkers out there allergic to sawdust? ) I was concerned about airflow reduction but, to my surprise, I have no noticeable loss of suction. (Though, I have no objective way to take a measurement so I can't say for sure.) My next step will be to go with your bucket idea (awesome) and then eventually upgrade to a cannister filter now that I'm confident I'll get my desired results.

[@kristophercarter0527]

Genius! I've been scouring the interwebs for days for ideas and this pops up. Thanks!!

[@johne.osmaniii7217]

I used to work with a considerable amount of drywall, rehabs, &/or repairs of drywall, stucco, or other types of plastered surfaces, & yep, you are absotively correct, ... the finishing sanding operations always seemed to become extremely messy, what with the dust particles getting, going into even the smallest of crevices, ... but I did eventually find a good working solution, ... after years of repairing the cracks, & nail pops which come with the settling of a home over a roughly 20-25 year span, following it being built, ... it involves having even a small type of wet/dry bucket type vacuum, a bucket to fill about a 1/3rd of the way, with water, and a couple of hoses one running from your sanding block, to the bucket of water, then another hose, running from the top of the water bucket, to the vacuum, ... as the air pressure is drawn into the vacuum, it also pulls air through the sanding block hose, along with the dust, and the dust is pulled into the water, where it becomes too heavy to be pulled into the vacuum, much like a wet bath oil/air filter that was extremely effective in providing protection to the combustion engines in the desert arenas of North Africa, during WW2, ... I do know that these types of filtration, were used in US Army vehicles up through 1975, in the European theater, of post war occupation, ... I served a a line mech. for wheeled, & tracked vehicles, Armor, & Infantry, for 17 months in West Germany, & a subsequent 13 months, in West Berlin, so, I was able to effectively serve on both sides of the Soviet’s infamous Iron Curtain, ... during the era of the “Cold War”, ... of which, the Soviets, simply took their ball, & went home, ... not unlike, neighboring kids who vie against other neighborhoods, ... with the only difference being, that the adult version, is/was, ... far more deadly, and having a much greater realization of understanding that nowhere, is it, nor will it ever, be safe, without some nation from somewhere, giving a new meaning to the phrase, ... “Reach out & touch sometime one”, ... Life’s experiences, have taught us, that nothing is ever permanent, not even our own government, nor it’s peoples, ...

[@lacarpenter31]

Very informative Mr. Hamilton. My HF dust collector has performed admirably for the past 2 years (collecting from 1 or 2 tools at a time thru 4" hose), but your recommendations are right in sync with my own observations. Thanks for putting it all together so well.

[@CardenBayCo]

Stumpy Nubs does it again! Another fantastic video that will help all of us woodworkers out! Such a great idea. Thank you.

[@markhedquist9597]

Great step by step guide for upgrading! This channel doesn't miss a beat and covers everything in great detail. Much appreciated! Also, this one time, at band clamp...

[@craigs7473]

I've got a Delta 50-850 that runs great but definitely needs a new bag and this video solved my discontinued problem. Your video on 11 dust collection mistakes was extremely helpful.

[@GyWO10]

Thank you very much for sharing the tip about the bucket and dust bag. I think this is the route I’ll go with this modification for my shop!

[@kerryschoolfield1537]

So helpful!, Just ordered a Wynn and look forward to cutting the bottom off that wretched clear bag.

[@katherynlamarche7308]

Again i have to let you how much you help me .I purchased a canister filter for my single stage dust collector. But that did not solve the plastic bag in the bottom , now you have solved that also. I can' t thank you enough. Julien Lamarche

[@iandodd7828]

Perfect timing, as I’ve been going down the DC rabbit hole as I get ready to build my shop next year. I’ve decided that instead of a fancy, name brand, underpowered 2 stage system, I’m better off doing a version of this with a properly powered blower, canister filter, and cyclone separator. The money saved can then be put toward an air purifier such as the Rabbit Air to remove that last 0.0001 percent of the super-fine but nastiest dust. Thanks for the video.

[@petec6690]

Yes, this is the video I wanted to see a second time. Particularly the dust collection bag and bucket. I LOVE that idea. I will be doing the same with mine this afternoon. I have the cyclonic dust separator and the Wynn MERV10 filter. I have yet to upgrade my 3" ducting to 4", but that may be next year (2024). I just removed the disgusting filtration bag (a.k.a. dust pump). Had leaks around the rim of the metal separator, both the filter bag and the collection bag. As for the collection bag - I put a quarter inch thick weather stripping around the circumference. The bag now fits snug. HOWEVER, one situation I've encountered is the band clamp - it's almost too short to go all the way around. Nevertheless, with much persuasion I was able to get the clamp onto the first notch and flip the latch to hold it in place. I don't want to be messing with that again, so - - - the collection bucket with the trash bag in it is awesome. Like I said - I will be doing that shortly. BTW: I uploaded a video to KZbin (4 min's long) showing my approach to sealing the leaks and installation of the canister filter.

[@stephanholland6181]

Like you, I cut off the bottom of the bag for my collector, but instead of using a bucket to catch the dust I used a small fiber barrel. The barrel has a metal ring at the top with a good sized recess on the outside face. I pull the bottomless bag over the barrel and seal it with a long bungee cord that fits in the barrel recess. I would have tried the snap ring that came with the barrel if I had it. I have still been emptying the barrel (outside). I love the disposable trash bag idea. Great video!

[@kevingriffin8752]

James, thanks so much for this tip! Super helpful system to clean up a previously nasty task.

[@michaelpack1198]

One of the things that I appreciate about the dust bucket suggestion is that it will finally enable me separate out materials that I don’t want in with everything else.

[@SeahawkSailor]

Perfect timing for this video! After watching some of your other dust collection videos, I ordered my Wynn Environmental filter, and it arrived today! Now I know exactly what to do next!

[@Cyan2002]

I've been thinking about upgrading my Central Machinery collector and this looks like a great place to start. Thanks for sharing!

[@Cyan2002]

@Paul Cox unfortunately I don’t have that as an option. My “shop” only has one place I could run a hose out and it’d be pointed directly at my neighbor’s house.

[@lstanczykRC]

I got a canister filter from NAPA. They have those for semi trucks. Works well. Good tip about the bucket. I was thinking about making a see through cylinder and then attach regular contractor black bag. I could still see through the cylinder to see how full the bag is.

[@DKWalser]

Adding a Wynn canister filter to my single stage dust collector is just about the best upgrade I've made to my shop. Not only did I get better airflow, the air coming out of the filter was much cleaner than the air coming out of the filter bag.

[@lhoffman8386]

Set up my HF collector this week and was on my way to building a Thein Baffle. Maybe I’ll try this route first. Thanks!

[@AdamKirbyMusic]

Thanks to this video when I recently got a DC I immediately implemented these changes instead of using it in the default state at all.

[@MonkeyJedi99]

I don't have a woodshop, and this was a great video. You present your topics clearly and simply while showing lots of options and your reasons for what you are suggesting.

[@dangbert11]

IF you have to use a in shop filter, this is a great video. My preference is to vent the discharge of the impeller outside into a collection building (mine even has a "half moon" on the door). I had tried several modifications to my HF dust collector and never was satisfied with the performance. Then I removed the impeller, remotely mounted it on the discharge side of a cyclone (locally built) and had it discharge into the "outhouse." At first I had a 39gal trash can with a burlap cover. That was okay, until the burlap would clog. Removed the burlap and liked the through put. One day I happened to turn the system on while my wife was cleaning the inside of the "outhouse" and the absence of the back pressure from the trash can boosted the through put a lot. The dust and chips stay in either the cyclone or "house" and out of my shop. Of course, all of this assumes you live in an area where you could do this. One final comment, HF makes a 1200CFM claim for their unit, while I have not put a meter on it, I have to be getting close.

[@tommycristaldi9037]

I have the same dust collection brand. Amazing upgrade for the chip collector bag. I need to do this. I will vouch that I have the same Wynn filter set up and YES IT DOES GREATLY INCREASE ITS SUCTION! 😁

[@boowiebear]

It is so awesome. I am embarrassed I used that sick dust bag for so long.

[@johnfisher4910]

Here's an even more budget-friendly option: Exhaust to an outside vent, rather than a filter, if you don't mind cutting a hole in the side of your house. I use a cyclone w/ drum and run that to a dryer vent that dumps into the backyard. The only time I've ever had any noticeable dust outside was when I overfilled my drum. I can't imagine any filter setup being more effective or cheaper.

[@richardpatterson4312]

I do the sand thing except thru a window and I swapped my impeller with the rikon replacement impeller. Fit perfectly, increases both flow and static pressure. It's bigger and the fins face the opposite way.

[@johnfisher4910]

@@barryomahony4983 I'm using a similar unit and it works fine.

[@deborahrouchon7740]

I just finished setting this up without my second stage and it sucked my vacuum attachment to the floor! Looking forward to easier bag cleanups. Thanks so much and thanks for Wynn referral.

[@Wordsnwood]

3mil Contractor Trash bags work fine on the bottom of my single stage unit. But they're not clear, so you do have to go and "pat" them every now and then to see how full they are.

[@alans1816]

If you use two nested garbage bags, with at least the outer one clear, and some air trapped between them, you can see at a glance that neither is punctured. A puncture of either bag removes the space between. Duct tape on any sharp edges of the strap keeps that from being a problem. A Thien baffle mounted inside the green ring just above the bag adds little to no extra resistance, but does a good job of keeping crud out of the filter when the bag is more than 1/3 full.

[@djpenton779]

Up here in Ontario you can buy clear heavyweight contractor bags.

[@Chuck-gd9rr]

I’m trying the 14” upside down wok in mine.

[@-joe-674]

@@Chuck-gd9rr would love to know how that worked for you. I am upgrading my old Delta single stage with a top cannister and just finished making 13x4 inch cone to mount centered inside with the bottom even with the bottom of the collector discharge chute. At this stage, not sure but hope it will help to keep my filter cleaner than without it.

[@KennyKing315]

James, Great Job on this tip! Thanks for your help! This will get my 3hp. Penn State DC improved about 300%

[@placitas52]

Thanks, you are always informative. I don't have a lot of room, but placing the shop vac outside and running hose to my work station has helped keep interior dust levels down. I now wear a mask religiously, even though years are numbered.

[@kellyvcraig]

Years back, I started shaking the collector after cleaning the filter. I'd noticed the performance did not improve after cleaning, so I pulled the canister and noted several cups of fines collected on the ring between the filter and the collection bag. Because it did not drop through, starting the collector sucked all those fines right back into the filter. When I started shaking the collector, I'd notice a lot of dust dropping on down, and performance improved after cleanings. Of course, this is more difficult to do on my big, "four bag" collectors (one with canisters and one with after market bags), but it still helps..

[@backpacker3421]

Make sure you take the lid off any tube of silicone sealant before trying to run a bead. It works better that way.

[@michaellink6960]

As usual, a very informative video. I will be adding a canister filter to my Jet single stage "dust collector/dust pump". THANKS!

[@brianm.9451]

I saw this video shortly after it came out and tried the gamma seal method on my dust collector. I got rid of my cyclone separator which reduced the overall efficiency of my dust collector. I'm three years in and still using it. Majority of my chips is created through milling, so my jointer and planer are the real culprits. Replacing the 30 gallon trashbags is much cheaper than having to buy those dust collector bags.

[@ianevison5811]

Seems Stumpy Nubs has stopped making new videos-so feels like I am arriving at a party after the host has gone to bed! Information is still great. After I get my garden in here in Seattle I must do this upgrade to my Steel City dust collector.

[@StumpyNubs]

That's not true at all. I make a couple videos week.

[@mitsuracer87]

I worked in a warehouse production job for 3.5 yrs where we were basically just breathing in sawdust all day with no masks. I was young and didn't really think about it too much, but these days I'm obsessed with safety. Thanks for the vid

[@t-bone1444]

Thank you for all your information I really like the way you explain things.

[@robertmerrill4326]

I line my bag with a 55 gallon drum liner. Had the foresight to buy a dust collector without a band strap.

[@jefflynch3946]

Thank you for the video!!! I am going to order a canister from Wynn but was concerned about the canister being 17.5 inches and my dust collector being 18.75 ID (19.25 OD). Also, I have been dreading emptying the bag and now I will empty it, replace it and use your hack-THANK YOU!

[@brucek.evans-historian7028]

Excellent and accurate information for important DC upgrades. I would suggest that if you are going to make donut insert that you take it a step further and make it a Thien separator to add even more efficiency. It is how you shape the donut that makes Thien's design so unique. It will act like an outside separator but between the collection bag and Wyn filter. By forcing more particles down into the bag you will not have to clean the filter as often, yet another job that releases captured dust. Caking in the filter does make it more efficient, until you hit that tipping point where if just blocks air flow.

[@michaelmckenney7214]

Bruce, I am new to the channel and I just posted a similar question to Stumpy regarding a Thien separator to the top of my HF unit. Did you ever add a separator to your dust collector, if so would you care to share your design details? Thanks

[@Gatsby1923]

Wow that bucket idea should get you a nobel prize!

[@DanaOredson]

At least a presidential medal of freedom.

[@kmcrafting4837]

FYI: Rikon sells a replacement filter for their DC that fits the HF unit perfectly. 1.0 Micron Product ID #60-905 and usually retails for around $300.

[@StumpyNubs]

Wynnenv.com is less expensive and it's a small, family owned business. Guess which one I bought :)

[@kmcrafting4837]

Stumpy Nubs their prices have dropped significantly since I looked several years ago. Selection is better too!

[@nightcatarts]

I'd rub some superglue into that wooden doughnut wherever you intend to add silicone sealent too (before installation). The silicone will be much happier sticking to acrylic than wood, especially where you need to prevent leakage.

[@joshgray3360]

Incredible timing. I just picked up a used Grizzly single-stage with canister and separator yesterday. Now to plan the ducting!

[@videogalore]

Make sure you watch the other videos he has on ducting first! :)

[@tekkiboy]

At some point in time you're going to want to clean the canister filter, how will you do that?

[@nefariousyawn]

Take it outside and blast it with a leaf blower?

[@StumpyNubs]

Blow compressed air on the outside.

[@tekkiboy]

@@StumpyNubs Thank you.

[@tshouse9821]

some great ideas. our shop teacher in high school did something similar in the shop at school.

[@mohameddocrat4393]

This is an excellent video with some fantastic ideas such as the bucket trick. I have seen the canisters and plan on buying one soon. I find many of your videos helpful and enjoy the humour in many of them. Thanks

[@warrenkempf6387]

James you always have good ideas that you share. This one is at the top of the list. Thank you for your videos.

[@totallynottrademarked5279]

I bought a single stage and a dust deputy. Attached the dust deputy to a trash can lid (grey 30 gallons). Used split foam weatherstripping to get a good seal. Even put a Plexi window in it so I know when to empty it. All in less than $600.

[@geoffreymorgan8366]

brilliant. The collection concept seems almost endlessly variable, limited essentially by bag ad bin sizes. Wahoo off to my supplier (Tasmania Australia) as soon as i can for the filter part. As always clear explanation and demonstration.

[@petem6503]

As an alternative to canister final filter, consider a better upper bag: American Fabric Filter did mine, and it's worked quite well since I got it in '08. The air comes out quite clean.

[@StumpyNubs]

You would need a very, very large bag to equal the surface area of a canister filter.

[@mikechan231]

This channel is amazing, love the depth and detail of the commentary.

[@richardgarrow9260]

Question what is the life span of a canister filter. I have had one 4 years while I do clean it. I just was wondering if I should change it and when. Thanks.

[@stevem815]

How much use does it get?

[@richardgarrow9260]

@@stevem815 I can not exactly say some weeks it might get about 8 hours with some might be less or more. I would have to say on average about 2hours a week. I have had it for 3 to 4 years

[@mitsukowalker5831]

I've liked and enjoyed ALL of your little episodes! But, this one is tops in my book. I've been hoping you would tackle this one SOONER than later.............. Thanks tons!

[@kevinpawpadawgmoore8175]

James, I came across your channel as I have taken up wood working as a hobby since I am no longer able to play music. I have a 12x20 shed converting it into a shop. my wife bought me a harbor freight 2hp dust collector for my birthday this year as my shop vac is unable to keep up. I have watched your videos on upgrades and have a question. top hat vs baffle? which would be best to help keep the dust down in my shop as I tire from constantly having to clean up every tool, shelf everytime I enter my shop. your advice is greatly appreciated and respected. thank you. p.s. I enjoy watching your videos..... especially the older ones with "mustache Mike". 😂🤣😂🤣

[@dougfreeman3229]

You should do a test to measure the change in flow of your DC set up with a Thien style and dust deputy separator vs none. An hvac duct velocity meter will do it, and you probably have a buddy who works for an hvac contractor who would have one. The absolute values aren't that important - it's the comparative values that are. Then you have the #'s to back up your statement that separators cause too much pressure drop/flow loss. I did the test on my HF dust collector with and without the Thien. It's been over 10 years ago, but I think it was ~15%. Still had ~450 cfm at the end of the hose which is sufficient for the way I use it.

[@byronbriggs3510]

I reversed plumbed my floor model HF system. The ring sits on top of a 55 gallon drum. The 5 inch flex hose is connected on top of the ring sucking air through the 4 inch side pipe. This creates a cyclone effect and almost nothing comes out of the exhaust which is through 6 inch pvc drain pipe out the side of my building. I can hear the wood chips swirling around the drum, that's how I know the cyclone effect is working. I use a dolly to wheel the drum outside to be used as mulch.

[@KathyAndrew]

I plumbed my dc so I can dump the exhaust out the wall of my shop. Built a dryer vent style wall vent with a blast gate, so can turn it off on really cold or hot days. Have a paper filter, but it reduces the flow of air by half. So use the outside dump most of the time. Down side is if I run the barrel over, it shoots dust outside the shop.

[@Gbfaninnm]

Perfect timing. I'm going to be moving my Grizzly DC soon and this is a great opportunity to make these changes.

[@Halcyon4799]

The shop I work at just recently got a grizzly DC it works awesome (would be better if boss would let us reseal the collection pipes)

[@Gbfaninnm]

Update...i completed my move of the DC and added the Wynn filter. I mounted the blower (2hp w/12" fan) on the wall and connected it directly to the stock separator. I decided to leave my metal can pre-separator in place. I was only losing about 13% of my CFM with it which is acceptable to me. After installing the Wynn 35A (MERV 10) filter my airflow went from 320 cfm to 515 cfm at the jointer. Thanks for the great tutorial SN!

[@michaelmckenney7214]

Stumpy, great job of making a step by step guide for the upgrades to my recent HF dust collector. I do have a question about the swirling of dust in the collector bag. Is this fine dust going to shorten the life of the Wynn filter that I put on the top of the collector? and would a Thien type separator keep most of the fine dust in the bag below. Thanks so much for the great content on your videos!

[@beoutside]

I was given a Delta single stage with bags, one horsepower with a very nice 13 inch 220 planer… Have since upgraded to the canister and can’t believe the difference. I have a small shop and I use it by moving the filtration system to the table saw to the planter, etc., etc. Next step a hood for the chopsaw?

[@SnootchieBootchies27]

This style filter in my shop vac, along with a bag, and a chip separator can is my dust collection setup. It's pretty ghetto but it works really well and can be taken on site

[@MrMarkpeggy]

Thank you for all the information on dust collection James. Great video also.

[@kenzaleski5198]

Can you do a video on cleaning a canister filter?

[@timblack-drilling3657]

We are enlarging our shop (20'*20' to add a section 30' wide and added another 20' on the end) and we have 3dust collectors and have built a room (10'*20') to house 2 of them and we plan on exhausting to the outside (we live in rural 60acres). We are planning on removing the dust-bags for the reasons stated. The third (small) I got a canister filter to use inside the shop if needed......

[@markheilman9383]

Finally, an explanation the makes sense. Thanks!

[@kyoopihd]

I love love love these creative budget solutions. As a weekend woodworker, I'm always looking for ways to keep my garage (I can't even call it a shop) tidy and clean without having to spend a ton of money. I'd be thrilled to see more of this kind of video from you guys!

[@nefariousyawn]

Every now and then open up the big door and blast everything with a leaf blower.

[@WarrickTaylor]

@Paul Cox this has been my thought too. I have seen folks on KZbin rip off the top of the dust collector and just send it outside. Assuming your neighbours and local environmental rules allow it the other downside would be if you are heating or cooling your shop. Then the dust collector will make very short work of stealing all that nice expensive warm or cool air and flushing it outside.

[@zapa1pnt]

@Paul Cox: It seems Pauls think alike. I'm a Paul and that is exactly what I did. I installed backer rod around the inside of the metal ring, with a bit of caulk. Then laid in plywood with a 6" hole in the middle. I attached 6" metal duct and vented it out the basement window, like a dryer. Works great. Mine has a cloth lower bag, so I also hung a 50 gallon leaf bag inside the cloth bag. Now no dust escapes from the cloth collection bag and i do not have to make a mess emptying the bag, just put in a new one.

[@joewrosenthal00]

Another great idea for my wood-shop. I’m going to contact Wynn right after Thanksgiving. Which reminds me: Happy Thanksgiving to James-and all the gang who enjoy his channel!.

[@boowiebear]

The Wynn filter is the best upgrade for my shop after my SawStop....and far cheaper! It had to have doubled my airflow and is quieter and cleaner.

[@gordroberts53]

Great video! I am about to buy a 2HP single stage for my small garage shop (500 sq ft). The manufacturer offers an upgrade to a canister filter which I will order with the main unit. Thinking about the 5 gal bucket idea too. Thanks always for sharing!

[@jonq8714]

I made my own Pentz cyclone out of aluminum. I use galvanized dust collector pipe and fittings, and I vent the ultra fine dust right outside because I'm far away from my neighbors. Works for me... but gotta say, these were some great suggestions.

[@ay8306]

Great video with practical advice for small shop woodworker!

[@TuanBui-yp7oz]

Hopefully u read this before I start project -But without the DIY donut, that filter will Stay suctioned down on rim tight and with out any leakage? And as always, your vids are always awesome and full of the right info!! Thx!!

[@StumpyNubs]

It's not the suction that holds it down, it's the clips shown in the video.

[@TubeHammel]

Awesome video! Thank you. I have played with the idea of building a small shed adjacent to my garage to house my single stage filter. Not sure if i need to heat it though. The temperature can go way down up here in Canuckistan!

[@davidstuart4489]

Decades ago, and I think it was an article in "Woodworking" magazine, I saw 2 dust collection solutions that made the most sense to me - The first one was to simply vent the upper stage of the collector to the outdoors. The second was to put the entire 2 stage collector outdoors and just plumb the ductwork in the shop. That might not be easy for many shops, but what are your thoughts? Also, as for emptying the lower bag, why not just take it outside and empty it there? Whatever bag the collected dust is emptied into is going out with the trash anyway. Which raises a third question - is there any approach to recycling the collected chips/dust (as wood filler, mulch, or other solutions) ? Thanks!

[@davidstuart4489]

@@abcaabca6364 Thanks for your thoughts on this. I've since seen a number of KZbin videos that feature compressors, dust collectors and other stuff in separate exterior sheds attached to the woodshop. But, regardless, I agree with your point about A/C and heating. I suppose it depends upon how and how much those tools are used. It's a good point you make. As for recycling, I'm now curious. I cut a fair amount of pressure treated lumber. Do you think the chemicals used in pressure treated sawdust makes a difference where mulching is concerned? Right now I'm either throwing it all away or using it to soak up old latex paint before throwing those away.

[@rjtumble]

Wow! that bucket is an awesome idea, you're the man.

[@growingsmilespediatricdent7452]

Great video!! Thank you for all your time and clear presenting style!

[@fillerblog]

This is fantastic! What a great way to keep the dust down in my shop!