How a Live Misclick Error Played Out (400bb Deep)

[@CrushlivePoker]

Let's hear some of your best live misclick stories below

[@TOM-C.]

None specifically, but being mostly an online player I've misclicked many times on a low bet, high bet, and jam bets. I don't recall any losses though I'm sure I have losed on several, but I do recall a few all-in's that I won with less than stellar cards. 😁👍😎✌

[@johnf1772]

The ones that I recall are more about not being aware of a particular poker room's rules. Eg. BB is 5, say "raise" and put in a 25 chip. Poker Room A it's 25, Poker Room B it's 10. Say nothing, Poker Room A it's 10, Poker Room B it's 25, Poker Room C it's a call. So, I've simply learned and it's now habit for me to say my bet amount.

[@noex100]

​@@johnf1772Wow, what poker room is ever ruling that a raise to 10? That's just ridiculous.

[@johnf1772]

@@noex100 If I verbalize "raise" with one chip I can see the argument to enforce min-raise and the argument to enforce chip value. If I say nothing with one chip, I have a harder time, logically, landing on a min-raise, or any raise at all vs call. But, I've seen it all. And if it's in their rules it's in their rules. I'm not talking about a floor person making a judgment call - I'm talking things written on a poster on the wall in the card room. So now, instead of trying to hunt down every room's rules, I verbalize...or use two chips - we seem to have consensus/universality when we put two or more chips down.

[@noex100]

@johnf1772 I really can't see any good argument for a min-raise in that scenario, and I've never played in a poker room with that particular rule. Obviously any room can make whatever house rules they want, but ideally those rules should be logical. 🤷‍♂️

[@leehjones]

Seems like Jacob is thinking inconsistently. He doesn't want to x/jam turn because he thinks the button won't fold two pair. But now on the river, exactly *one* straight (87) gets there, and it makes no sense for him to have it. So unless he thinks button will put him on exactly that hand, his hand on the river looks just like his hand on the turn. If so, then a turn x/jam should win the pot right there *or* he should be jamming the river for value. I'm honestly not sure which play is better. The B50 on turn kinda sounds like one pair trying to protect from the flush/straight draws, which makes me want to jam it in his face. As Bart said on the call, given all the equity that Jacob has, he doesn't need a ton of fold equity to have a profitable x/jam there. But if you feel that button is never folding whatever value he has on the turn, fine, he's not folding it on the river, so jam the river.

[@Stockhandle123]

I came here to say this but you already did

[@OneEyedJack01]

Villain bet the turn after getting X/R on the flop. When he bets again, risking another X/R, his range is strong. Most 1/3 players are not risking another X/R with one pair. A larger river bet was the play with a well disguised straight. 2 pair+ will make a lot of calls there.

[@qlow5956]

Hell, even AJo can find calls against a perceived missed KQ or QJ with a backdoor. Agreed, river jam looks so bluffy, so must be the right move.

[@NorCal_Poker]

I think that river is the definition of BINK 💥

[@andrerivera2730]

Only teenagers should be allowed to say bink🤦‍♂️🤦‍♂️

[@Stockhandle123]

You have to shovel all in on this river it's a fucking mandatory shove. This caller belongs in 1/3.

[@hunterhake5056]

@@Stockhandle123 I mean the guy went deep into the tank and called.... for all you know he got max value.... hard to say when its a weird spot like this. You just see "i have the nuts, I have to go all in!"

[@Stockhandle123]

@@hunterhake5056 yeah it's how you balance your bluffs

[@supersmoo7377]

((Caller rivers the nuts)) Caller on river: “I was flustered this whole hand.”

[@stepbackandthink]

It's 1-3. He has AJo more often than you think.

[@philip-op6de]

You need to realize a $1/$3 deep stacked or $1/$3 uncapped doesn’t play at ALL like a $1/$3 but more so $2/$5 or $5/$10

[@qlow5956]

I thought this was going to be a pure entertainment hand of rare anecdotals, but it turned into good lessons in ranging and pot control. Nice call in.

[@OneOut1]

I love reading GTO strategy from 1/3 players AFTER THE HAND. i swear you would all thing they are solver experts. I once dealt in an underground club in Houston from 1/3 to 10/25 no limit plus 5/10 plo. The 1/3 players were the funniest. After the hand, " I put you on Ad😮Jc at first but after you bet the turn I figured it was was Jd". Meanwhile on the 10/25 no limit table it was a long term winner, well respected player responding to a comment after calling off an all in with a very light hand and losing a big pot,, " I been playing with him for 20 years. I didn't think he had a dad damn thing".

[@Kal-Reegar]

16:45 interesting hand analysis as I agree AJ is not betting the turn. I think villain has a lot of 2 pair or better after this.

[@michaelmcgowan5217]

Initially I kind of thought a river jam is appropriate, but it would be a disaster if A5 folds to a jam but would call say $500. We also have to keep in mind what Bart likes to talk about regarding bets as a percentage of pot at lower stakes. A $700 bet is perceived as massive here even though it's less than pot. I agree $325 is too small but not sure how big to go considering the above.

[@KAp10AhAb13]

I also immediately thought about 500 seems like a perfect size to get called by maybe even Aj

[@stefancopicuk]

@@KAp10AhAb13 if they call 500 they call 575 too. Once you hit 600 they have to think twice, esp w just Ax

[@TOM-C.]

I too was thinking exactly like the hero, betting $300 for value, and hoping the villain might raise. As it turned out, the villain took some time to call so may have mucked his hand had the hero jammed. In the end, he won a great pot on a misclick so no shame in that. I definitely would've spilled the beans to the villain that I misclicked! 😁👍😎✌

[@danielmeuler2877]

I find all-in's get called a lot more at low stakes compared to value bets. I think players think All-In's are bluffs more than value. But thats just an opinion from what I have seen over the years.

[@ticenits1926]

Disagree, IME live players hands are so weak they can't call large bets very often.

[@lakerfan1855]

I don’t agree. Low stakes is rent money.

[@danielmeuler2877]

@@lakerfan1855 I'm not sure I know what you mean?

[@danielmeuler2877]

@ticenits1926 for some reason players think all ins are bluffier than value bets. That's what I have seen.

[@mr.niceguy1216]

If he had A5, he would fold to a jam on the river, so good sizeing.... If he had A9 its like 25% to call a jam on the river. If he had A10 he would 75-80% called a jam on the river. And all sets also. So i think somewhere in the middle and you dont know, pretty dry board its 325 good bet sizing. I think his hand here is A9 all day... He called check reis on the flop Betting the turn when u check and called the river half sizing. A9 :)

[@ijustwannaleaveacommentony6511]

set o fives, scared of set of nines after flop

[@dakarih.3511]

Playing 1 3 someone raised to 8. Two callers and I accidentally raise to 80 with QJss in the BB. TWO people call and we go 3 ways to the flop. Flop comes 10 high. I cbet for small. Button folds and small blind jams all in for remaining 200. I call with a back door flush draw and two overs and win with Queen high 😅

[@pot_kivach160]

gr8!

[@timothynguyen4446]

I always struggle with leading out on rivers like this when the nuts do effectively change but of which me having them isn’t as likely as it should be. Given that this hand blocks flush draws that most likely give up, is there merit to checking this exact hand on the river looking to check-jam?

[@TheNow_Now]

Bart and all of CLP always advocate leading rivers, but it's extremely imbalanced in my opinion, since I don't know any bluffs that arrive to the river that play like this. I also think that villains range is quite condensed by the river, likely having 2pair+. I think sets of 99 & 55 will basically always bet when checked to, along with A9 s. The only hand that may check back at some frequency would be A5. So, I think the more profitable and balanced line is to x/jam the river.

[@KAp10AhAb13]

lead into donks at small stakes no problem

[@colintimp1372]

I think I'd check the turn, hoping for a check-back; but if he bets I think I might check-raise again. Also, at that level if you're worried about the possibility of a check-back on the river you should never go for the check-raise. As much as players are likely to check, they're more likely to fold to a check-raise.

[@JohnSmith-nx7zj]

21:04 I actually don’t hate the idea of a $100 reverse block. It makes hero’s hand look a lot like Ax that realised it massively overplayed the flop. But a big bet is probably best. Not sold on hero’s in between sizing.

[@sethshapiro5973]

Disagree w Bart about a river bet freezing up an opponent from raising with a set just because there’s a straight out there. It’s literally only 78 that makes a straight, and as played, hero is way out of line if he check raised that on flop. If I’m opponent with a set, I’m going to interpret hero’s river bet as a rivered 2 pair. If I’m hero, I’m shipping on river bc villain should be calling A5+ which is what he’ll have a high % of the time, and it’s 1/3 so he might even call off with any 2 pair, or even a high ace because he’s not good enough to fold.

[@davidculhane4388]

A lot of players at 1/3 at encore do not 3bet off AK/AQ pre when they are supposed to

[@LinusK500]

Should have bet the turn, for three to four hundred. You'll take it down there, pretty often, and if you don't you'll get another shot on the river.

[@EfficientRVer]

I'm betting half my stack, half the pot, or 2/3 the pot give or take adding/subtracting/rounding to make it a number I think the guy may misinterpret. $500 even would tank/call a lot of players with 2pr. $520 is 2/3 pot if you know they count the pot as they go. $450 can seem like a $500 bluff where you want to keep an extra $50 if they call. Or it can look like you're willing to give up $50 of value for a bit better chance of a call. AS ALWAYS, your own table image in villain's head, and knowing what they do or should think of you, matters more than any solver bet sizing answer. In this case, he didn't know the villain, but he may have had an idea of villain's image of hero, like if EVERYONE assumes a table image for you until proven otherwise. If I'm at a table where nobody knows me, they think I'm old, tight, under bluff, and over fold. Which is a pretty profitable situation for me, when I reinforce that image in every small pot that doesn't matter, then I can destroy them in the first big pot. He bet $325 and just barely got a call. To me, that is perfect bet sizing, results-wise, if not EV-wise. I like an opponent to tank for 30 to 60 seconds and then do the wrong thing. If they tank longer than that, I'm at too much risk of them doing the right thing.

[@robertbotelho9702]

You know the saying, if it’s good enough to call, it’s good enough to raise.

[@marcusymarcos8750]

That was a good one, Bart. 👏🏽

[@PSPCRemy]

A9clubs all dayyyy what a burnout ! That last club for a little needle

[@patrick_kyker]

I like a $200 bet on the turn. If he has to think about calling the turn maybe a pot size jam on the river will get him to fold.

[@EZBISME]

I also cannot fill out forms. I’ve messed up so many forms with all kinds of dumb crap ending up on the paper…

[@sasquatch989]

The villain called with a worse hand at the river, so all in all not a bad bet. Sure you could have maybe got a bit more, but still got paid off

[@patrick_kyker]

If I do something like that and somebody says did you mean to do that? I'm like oh damn oh I guess it's going to stay in there.

[@saikgamingproductions]

wtf is villian's turn sizing

[@justinhart7172]

He’s a plo grinder so he’s just trying to realize his equity when plo is all about applying pressure to deny equity

[@philip-op6de]

@JeanFoutre-yi5usI hate PLO because every time I get in a game it’s a bunch of jackazz’s that wanna bloat the pot every hand with the worst hand

[@bradleyhines604]

I would have shoved. Hero's line would make no sense if he shoved river. Might get a call just because the line makes no sense.

[@moskovd]

The suits from the solver is obvious, you need to block Tx suited. It's not a big mystery

[@MelFinehout]

Would you bluff all in with, say, 56dd? If not, why not? Because he has A9 and all the sets. So, I jam. You have a very unlikely hand. Who check raises multi-way with a gutter? When you jam you’re really not repping any value. Makes a call more likely. I’d bet smaller with the flush but I’d jam this river.

[@lgf2202]

A-J maybe A-10

[@benlarson6158]

Bart says if you could hand pick any card this would be it. Hmmmm. Yeah hand picking the Nutz is the way to go😊

[@Fred-rg5vw]

Havent seen turn yet. But so far villian looks very likely to have a weak ace.

[@AlienationIsReal]

You picked up equity on the turn...BET

[@stevesanderson8360]

I think if the villain deep tanked at 325 it would have been an insta fold at 700.00

[@notallowed337]

Not necessarily in all cases. Some players think that bigger bets are bluff attempts. Just depends on the situation.

[@stevesanderson8360]

@@notallowed337 at other stakes I might completely agree. But not at 1/3

[@notallowed337]

@stevesanderson8360 lol. In the 1/3 games I play there are quite a few who think like this😁

[@OneEyedJack01]

This sounds results oriented. We bet against his range. If he has more two pair and sets in his range than Ax, betting larger returns greater value. He did not 3-bet pre, so he shouldn't have many AK or AQ. He also shouldn't have Ax below AJ that isn't 2 pair considering the flop and turn action. As played, villain has more 2 pair+ than Ax. Going for bigger value is right, even if it wasn't perfect for his actual hand.

[@Pnigro]

@@notallowed337 Absolutely.

[@330miggs]

15" POKER HAAAAARRRRDDD

[@notallowed337]

For $15 with 8,7d is 100% a call

[@MichaelTilton]

River Play for me, Half his remaining stack. Either that or Jam. With little table info, as stated in the beginning, betting to maximize the villain call is what I'm trying to do. i can understand Bart's line of leaving just a little behind too. 1/3 players are weird though, A lot are scared money, especially Rec players. The problem moving forward is that now the hero has somewhere 5x starting stack, and that is intimidating for a lot of 1/3. Me, I'd be drooling looking at that stack.

[@darrencavanagh2008]

If the opponent had AJ, AQ, AK. He calls the $325. If the opponent had A10, A9, A6, A5. He probably calls $700+. (On the river.)

[@awpodvt]

kings and two people jammed into him i cant even remember the last time i had a hand like that 😔

[@skontch1]

I have to disagree with the all in advice on this one. He got paid off and that's what's important. Good job by the hero

[@stevenundisclosed6091]

Fold preflop. Fold flop.

[@patrick_kyker]

River bet looks to much like value. The villain has shown value the whole time. so he's probably going to pay off a big bet.

[@ijustwannaleaveacommentony6511]

set o' fives

[@tipsy09]

15:32

[@tphuynh85]

🎉

[@googleghosh1504]

This isn’t true about STEM necessarily

[@saikgamingproductions]

this guy sounds like tom dwan

[@renecoronado7853]

I think turn XR probably makes more sense here. When villain folds it’s fine, and when he continues it will be with a wider range than calls a river donk jam on a draw completing card.

[@1vailchris]

Feels like V had A5dd.

[@KAp10AhAb13]

i think V would go larger size on turn with FD also