How a Top 500 Widowmaker deranked to Diamond - Overwatch 2

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[@ryan_raus]

The idea of matching with Kenzo in the diamond lobbies is terrifying lmao

[@teegloo]

He def deranked on purpose what a bum

[@sukiio.]

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[@gobbagoo]

@@teegloo not playing the game for a month destroys everything youre used to

[@LFKrebs]

@@teegloo have you tried playing an aim intensive character at a high level without consistently playing the game? It’s borderline impossible to keep that consistency, especially if you straight up just stop playing the game for a while, I used to be great at counter strike when I played everyday, now that I have barely played for the past 2 years it seems I whiff the most retarded shots whenever I try to play a game casually, aim is way too hard of a skill to just have it at its peak whenever you want.

[@vexesne9762]

Shadder got rank 14 after 7 months break and Genji is very aim intensive so it doesn't apply to everyone

[@mrstealcar4702]

Bros gonna be a menace in the diamond lobbies. Unintentional reverse smurfing 💀

[@ali-ff2se]

he wont be.. hes so bad rn

[@StarCrow77Gaming]

@@ali-ff2se give him a bit trust

[@Sensei_gojo]

@@ali-ff2sehe hasn’t played in a bit so give him some time to climb back up. Flats and karq almost fell to diamond too I think last season but they climbed back to GM

[@icydays1]

@@Sensei_gojo it's crazy how people are calling people who have been t500 multiple seasons bad lol referring to a bunch of streamers

[@kinshasamadison96]

Hey Kenzo! Just wanted to give a reminder that a lot of gm/top 500 players are still in high diamond/masters lobbies since the rank reset. You'll probably face some people with similar skill, but regardless you got this man!

[@kinshasamadison96]

@@raniarieli2162 You do realize that half of top 500 currently is people in masters currently because of the rank reset right? Because of that it’s difficult to climb ranks unless you’re 5 stacking or creating a brand new account. Also, I’m not about to discredit these streamers. If you think they’ve fallen off maybe you should challenge them to a 1 v 1 😉

[@roxadis]

@@kinshasamadison96they’re genuinely just not good enough to maintain gm, it’s not hard to maintain even gm 2

[@mekhicalliste8732]

​@kinshasamadison96 it's not because of rank reset you need 50 wins to place top 500 and most players just haven't won their 50 games yet. I'm gm so I should be top 30 right now but I'm only at 32 wins so im not on the leaderboard yet

[@icydays1]

@@raniarieli2162 🤣

[@DarthCookieOW]

T500 was high Masters literally until 3 days before season end last season. (Edit: and all those players are genuine, long-time T500 players. Or do you want to pretend ex pro-players such as Onigod are bad?) The rank distribution is a relative bell curve and it is as clear as day that the devs have forcefully deranked everyone to make achieving Champion near-impossible. Before this forceful rank redistribution, T500 started way above GM1. Pretending this reset didn't happen is just delusional.

[@jambo_za]

25:59 I hate this… When you carry awful teammates and then you face them the next game and suddenly they’re godlike

[@mekhicalliste8732]

It's because they aren't awful. Kenzo had a hard mercy pocket so he's supposed to be carrying. His tank and dps have to rely on the 1 other support to sustain both of them because the support comp they have is forcing Kenzo to carry and not giving the rest of the team any resources

[@bbbbbbbbbbbrbbrb]

this was so beyond frustrating to watch. you literally did so well, you consistently did well. it's insane how punishing this game is

[@ElyCohen-s5g]

One of the games you can't solo carry sadly. Gotta find people to queue with and hope it makes the difference

[@mtglrd]

good… would be crazy if one sniper could always be viable and solo carry every game in a 5v5 ability based fps. play valorant

[@Raansu]

Honestly, this is a pretty good example of why win/loss should have little merit in how you're ranked in any team based game, especially in the age of solo queuing. Even with Kenzo taking a break for a month and being rusty, skill wise he's still a top 500 player. Getting dropped all the way down to diamond because of a mix of rust/throwers/stream snipes is just wild. Games really need to find a new way to rank players.

[@anim3793]

I think how you perform should aid ranking like kills, deaths, assists, dmg and healing. Also if someone leaves then the team should get some kind of compensation. Is it really that hard?

[@thatonedude675]

@@anim3793 sounds nice until you examine how stats aren’t something every hero gains at the same rate. Just for a name, a Sombra should never do as much on the numbers that a Bastion can even though that Sombra could run the lobby. Hell, every tank would just go Mauga and every sweaty support would be running Moiras.

[@Raansu]

@@thatonedude675 OW is unique in that compared to other games with ranked modes. I dunno what the answer is, but a straight up win/loss record just isn't a very good metric (and im not saying ignore it completely, but I just think there should be more metrics involved). Like, ya sure, extremely good players will carry themselves to higher ranks, but I've seen players in plenty of different games who are clearly good, but get stuck in lower ranks, because you have to basically carry an entire team to move up and not everyone can do that.

[@cyciumx]

​​@@thatonedude675 the thing is, we don't live in a time where information is hard to get. The game knows, or at least could be programmed to know the average stats on a micro level. What heroes are currently, at all times getting in average natural value and is one player doing better or worse using that hero at whatever current rank they are in. These metrics can be updated in real-time; easily. As they reflect real world use and not dependent on win or loss. Elo hell is real. The problem is certain people claim it always exists when it just exists at various times. But the truth is.... For example here, if Kenzo got 40% more elims as a DPS player and 30% less deaths than the other DPS, he should be closer to ranking up regardless of a win or loss should really be used to matchmake players who have similar stats. Edit: I should also include that if wins/loses don't reflect ranking it would also eliminate the reportable offenses of boosting AND intentional deranking. Someone wants to duo up with a pro and get carried? Not gonna happen if they aren't doing their job even with the Pro carry. Do they want to smurf and throw a few games? They'll still get placed where their individual performance matters and if they are smurfing they'll still rank up (where they don't want to be). Even if they successfully dropped from actively performing badly. The second they step up the game will throw them back into higher ranks.

[@Alex_Aramayo]

I was about to put this, bc for 1 its Kenzo 2 he's playing Widow, Cass, & Sojourn, they have good carry potential & 3 he's a Dps player imagine how hard it is for Tanks & Supports

[@Burgerboy6012]

It's like every game his teammates had that one mission: don't let Kenzo win this game 💀💀💀

[@hikuasian]

this is my curse, I passed on to you.

[@Aeternok]

What I wanna know if it feels harder in the lower ranks at times when you dont have teammates that follow up as efficiently. Matchmaking is so messed up being the supposed hard carry sucks its more fun when your whole team is playing well especially with some synergy . I always try to swap to something that can compliment my team as opposed to just counter swapping

[@turbopenguin758]

Playing in low rank is like going to the casino, its fully luck based if you win or not. There are times when I question if my teammates are even human

[@Aeternok]

@turbopenguin758 I feel you mate especially when I'm playing Tank like I'm creating the space I have like their tank and their healers on me , they can't handle a 4v2 against 2 DPS with no heals.

[@mekhicalliste8732]

That's the point if you want to climb you have to carry. If your not carrying then your no better than everyone else in that rank and that's when the games are 50/50 and feel like a team diff whenever you lose

[@Un-motivated]

Yup I play better in diamond lobbies than I do in gold.

[@Asgelio]

That’s why just playing with the intent to hard carry is better than doing something and then praying your tm8s then respond correctly.

[@EnvyKoi]

ranked system is so broken right now, the fact they ban people for "toxicity" but cheaters can go szns unbanned. not to mention getting punished for a leaver after the timer lets you leave counting that game as a "hidden left game" that counts towards the actual leavers penalty which takes 20 games to get back in "good standing" just for leaving 1 game thus they put you in the lobbies with everyone else marked with "ok, bad" standings.

[@Gandi2000]

Killing everyone but still losing, the best thing about widowmaker 😂

[@aceofpurity]

The ana sitting scoping being absolutely oblivious makes me wonder how shs got into pc masters😂😂😂

[@ImEcchi]

Lots of healers are usually duo’d with someone. So without a good DPS or tank with them at all times most of them are stuck in Plat. I’ve literally seen Plat healers go into GM just because all they did is queue with a DPS and pocket them. Game is literally DPS needs to kill everyone to win and Tank needs to distract. Then the second that support solo queues they drop all they way back down. Supports are only as good as the people they are supporting and that’s a sucky way to see it.

[@jermu8706]

@@ImEcchithis isnt even true dude, mercy might be only as good as the people they are supporting but a good bap is basically a soldier but more useful etc etc, nothing in this game is that white and black.

[@Kenji13569]

Welcome to the Arrge's phase. Be strong, Kenzo. It will last for a while.

[@Khak1]

i dont understand stream snipers. getting someone like kenzo or kephrii on ur team is just a free win if you try. its like the only time youll have competent teammates and u just ruin it for attention

[@StarCrow77Gaming]

Bro dropped to my ranks 💀 NAH

[@TheRealKenzo]

I'll see you in game 😭

[@StarCrow77Gaming]

@@TheRealKenzo homie I'm on console you will not 😭LOL

[@Eis7]

​@@StarCrow77Gaming you turned crossed play off?

[@StarCrow77Gaming]

@@Eis7 no but in comp you can't play against PC players at least that's how it's supposed to work

[@uuave]

@@StarCrow77Gamingif it’s console then diamond is about gold

[@dancingspoon01]

What I've learned from this is that even for a top 500 DPS player its impossible to rank up without a consistent pocket.

[@mekhicalliste8732]

Having a pocket is a crutch and makes games harder for your team. Your committing an entire support to one dps so that dps has to carry. It leaves your tank and dps with no resources so they aren't going to be able to do as much and will probably get diffed.

[@icydays1]

@@mekhicalliste8732 but im a mercy main 😭 i gotta pocket someone

[@Asgelio]

No? If you can only rank up with a pocket, you just have a hard skill issue

[@mekhicalliste8732]

@icydays1 I don't have anything against mercy players. I'm talking ab the dps players that rely on a pocket and blame their team

[@icydays1]

@@mekhicalliste8732 agreed 100% people need to stop blaming unless it's obvious i.e they are running into them on repeat and dying or afk

[@JasmineKimball]

40 minutes of Kenzo gameplay just made my day

[@Algonqiun]

Watching your team get diffed is always fun, especially when they start to flame you for being something like 15-3, while your team is 3-15

[@heysw1ft]

Overwatch ranked is so weird now I just get the worst team every game even if I go 55-3 I will still lose somehow so best thing to do is get a 5 stack I did it and it helped a lot

[@spacehowler6615]

There’s always something about playing Ashe on suravasa. I always pop off with her on that map.

[@Demon-Asta]

It's so hard to climb these past 2 seasons when winning barely gives any rank progress and losses hurt ur rank badly

[@eggbacon633]

im glad im not the only one that loses skill when i dont play for a while 😭really made my day feel better

[@tethu1740]

actually makes me feel better knowing every pro can have a bad day or a bad streak :')

[@Zerty-LGCY]

Kenzo going from unranked-gm to Gm-bronze 😭

[@jonathasvieira6414]

Winston is doing so much damage, dude 😭 He's gonna be a menace after the mid season patch

[@AssassinjohnLaoudikos]

Those ranks are terrible, you feel that you have to do everything on your own.Also people throwing and don't peel for help when needed.Good luck kenzo!

[@jjglaser]

It's also real hard this season playing against good ventures as widow, ashe, hanzo.

[@kaimorris2970]

This is happening to so many people, i went from gm2 to d2 in less than a day

[@omarhernandez12348]

kenzo about to be on jay3's next elo hell video

[@TokioVODS]

Same here it’s been 2 months I’m fighting between diamond 5 and plat 1 I’m just juggling between them

[@supermarioxta5894]

no matter who or in which rank you play, we still love you and your content.

[@Natalie-to6pv]

Can't wait to see you in my plat games soon!

[@duelitys]

love these videos, makes me remember that kenzo is also human

[@The64332]

id say diamond is the hardest rank to climb out of, so many people who are there got lucky by being carried by randoms on their team and it really shows

[@-_-Montana-_-]

That or metal ranks because they do nothing

[@The64332]

@@-_-Montana-_-my only argument is its alittle easier to carry in say plat3 and below, if youre a widow or phara that cant be contested then its almost a forsure win, same with like a good zen or ball or doom

[@unholy_gaming666]

I like that the Lucio’s name is golden Freddy

[@raa9756]

soloq is the way lowkey if youre tank / dps, sure pocket or guaranteed decent teammate is nice but it q's you also against more groups likely having better players (boosters, smurfs and just more competent players q in groups)

[@jjglaser]

Teammates in plat and diamond all pray to be carried every game without making an actual impact themselfs.

[@insectopod5252]

I feel so validated by this. Not to make light of your misery. It's supposed to be a team based game, but if I don't get a raw neutral 5K every fight my team just dies. Trade my life for a 3K and we still lose, I'm clearly just not good enough. Only option is to deathless 5K or it's a loss.

[@SuperNovaFoxcos]

You're not washed Kenzo cause those widow snipes are still dirty ❤

[@PoleOutGod]

So this is why my salad is getting tossed in diamond.

[@pppoopoo1811]

I’ve been one tricking widowmaker playing pretty much 4 hours a day since ow2 launched and I’ve wanted to hit gm so badly but seeing this shit makes me think that’s it’s genuinely impossible like I just recently peaked high Diamond no way the dude I’ve been looking up to is also in that same rank

[@meat.]

should watch melio widow unranked to gm

[@pppoopoo1811]

@@meat. if I remember correctly that was back in season 8 right? Before the rank change when gm was easier to hit Not saying he couldn’t do it again cuz I’m pretty sure he’s like one of the 10 champ players in his region but like for me ion think gm is actually possible

[@wyrda1602]

@@pppoopoo1811 I'm in GM right now onetricking Hanzo and I only play the game occassionally these days so don't be discouraged, you'll get there soon enough!

[@delmargreen1600]

35:49 Am I the only one that heard Kiri say "**** you"?

[@itsmebingo]

"Elo hell does not exist" these are the games we get.

[@yere7851]

for some reason I had negative w/l ratio in diamond and now in masters I have like 80% win rate on widow

[@katqt32]

its cool i dropped from plat to silver so im truly almost at the bottom of the barrel and WOW it's the trenches in this rank it really is. now im just playing for fun again and weapon skins lol

[@amythewolf6314]

i also think this season is harder than other seasons to rank up for some reason

[@alexiahinojosa5053]

ur mercy trolled bc yall ignored her getting flanked

[@maksimmeskov3227]

I can't remeber a lot of games, when top 50 player could drop to an average or little bit higher than average rank and would struggle to win, it's like in every other games if top 50 player gets in a lobby of an average player it should be the easiest win in his life, why overwatch is so poorly balanced ?

[@blacksiren1353]

please kenzo, go back top 500, we scared now in diamond… 🥶

[@HD-rd3pj]

Bro if I were your place I would snap like killing three and not pushing or contesting point what is your team doing dang that's frustrating

[@xmalin1]

glad im not the only one, i was m1 and dropped to d1💀😭

[@Hyehowareyou]

from Plat to Masters i'd say 100% all games are tank diffs, if your tank isn't there in the head, you will get rolled over and over.

[@Oldladywithastick]

Nah youre just terrible

[@owtrunks]

best widowmaker is back

[@Jack06121995]

After arrge even you in diamond, ranks are so fucked up.. I don't know why it's like this but I used to be GM, now I'm washed but still master in my smurf account but almost plat with my main..fell you bro

[@DarthCookieOW]

The amount of boosting stacks and clients in high Masters lobbies right now is insane. Literally every 2nd game is either someone boosting or blatant gold clients running the game down. Will Blizzard ever do something against this? Their oh so great wide grouping obviously didn't do shit, I know no one who'd consider wide queueing with his Plat or Diamond friends on his GM main account.

[@Kingfishbish]

Idk if it's just me but when I duo queue my games are so much harder

[@archerdavidson6066]

I think this goes to show that this update which was good , threw off the balance of the game . Granted idk if we will ever get to a point of balance in this game

[@mrwatermelo50]

F for Kenzo, really nice to see that Kenzo is getting my nightmare lobbies when im not playing OW tho. Im still sorry :^)

[@poeheiseguy158]

Beware the Zen Kick

[@mikamulder0]

kenzo your crazy

[@svichu6887]

hmmm, d1 is your true rank ig

[@thalassa8046]

I came across a kenzo in diamond 1 I thought it was just an imposter but he hit some nasty shots , now that I see this video it might of actually been kenzo :o

[@tekkadan622]

The fact this isnt considered smurfing is hilarious 😂

[@LordFerbombi]

why would it be lol

[@venessatuitau462]

I js started playing overwatch and I’m going to learn off you

[@carlos.ornelas]

was watching a video and its gone! nooo

[@angel-l9w8b]

19:30 THATS WHAT IM SAYING

[@saltygamers888]

even god bleeds:(

[@thrillychilly]

@therealkenzo what mouse do you use and whats your sensitivity set to ? XD

[@pearlssbu8749]

I will not be playing overwatch until ur back in gm

[@tylerdwyer7620]

I love counterwatch

[@gp42846]

Become an Ashe main? I though you already were one - but didn’t play her to spare your enemies

[@NamhadiNdemufayo]

That looked remarkably unfun.

[@apocalypseap]

Further proof that DPS is the hardest role to have impact still.

[@DarthCookieOW]

This is cope. DPS run the game, Widow is just a bad hero rn.

[@PoleOutGod]

As a widow main in diamond. I would probably see you, try to counter you as widow, and never play widow again.

[@CATSPAWJAMAZ]

the only real reason for a gm player to smurf in diamond lol

[@ShimxdaOW]

all these diamond players are gonna have ptsd from their games against u bc of ur aim😭

[@wubba3019]

Ive gotta play in games with this?????

[@sergeyson423]

Arrge moment

[@hibiscus162]

As a diamond, please no

[@eilkei]

I have the same with mercy lmao I am currently top 100 / 500

[@oliversalminen3875]

have you been in finland???

[@itstroyboi]

i think overwatch is in its worst state right now.

[@mikederooij868]

Guys guys i am as good at kenzo noww lesgoooo

[@S1lent5t0rm]

no hate to kenzo, been watching for years now. but youre only getting most of these because you q with a mercy pocket every game. not saying what you do isnt impressive at all and ur aim is incredibly clean, but we also cant take away the fact that the only reason most of these clips even happen is bc u duo with a pocket mercy

[@ЛеонидФролов-л9г]

I think for get master now, u must be lucky guy.OW have big problems with rank system

[@ЛеонидФролов-л9г]

Maybe problem is 250hp, now killing people is harder, and skilled players cant hard diff enemies

[@Waffl3B1T]

Damn >.< Down to diamond? That’s awful :(

[@StarCrow77Gaming]

I'm that rank and can't agree more

[@fahdfahad243]

Just play custom games players have made

[@nick-vt9dc]

imagine you solo queue lol

[@ImEcchi]

I think the funniest thing is Streamer mod they tried to come up with fake gamertags they probably wasted weeks thinking up the names. When in reality they could of just coded it to say the Heroes name in place of your gamertag. Nobody goes “Hey Kenzo shoot that Guy” They go “Widow shoot that guy”. Nobody calls eachother by their gamertags so streamer mode should just say the Hero’s name instead of some trash made up gamertag that Blizzard probably wasted thousands of dollars paying employees to think up.

[@dhruvg8472]

Lol kid thats not how company works, why do you even think they would have wasted weeks to decide names? Obviously they did not

[@lf2334]

8 inches btw

[@Wxhazu]

Yo kenzo

[@Sharkyevno]

Lol I’m a full rank above Kenzo

[@oktaps]

40 minutes god bless, F

[@BlueAzur0]

damn lost my respect playing with kephrii i would never plat with someone who cheats on their wife and instead of owning up to it makes excuses for it

[@jeffapegas2549]

4:30 looks like aim bot eh

[@dylanhart120]

Brother played with the most washed player of all time; kephri and fell to diamond. What a sad time to be a overwatch fan🤣

[@Anacki_Ra1J1n]

Farming D1 lobbies for content. RESPECT!!

[@ssj2goku]

Is this just a terrible season? Why is everyone deranking? 😭

[@ZzZzZzZzZl999]

Same beuh