HOW an Impossible Failure CRASHED this Boeing 767!

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@MentourPilot
@MentourPilot 2 жыл бұрын
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@marhawkman303
@marhawkman303 2 жыл бұрын
2:10... so what I'm getting here is that it's a ducted propellor driven by a jet? hahah the important part is that it works :D
@petersangels3268
@petersangels3268 2 жыл бұрын
can you do Aeroperu flight 603 next? :D
@exploatores
@exploatores 2 жыл бұрын
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@marhawkman303
@marhawkman303 2 жыл бұрын
@@exploatores oh it autolocates you based on the VPN location? :D
@pobinr
@pobinr 2 жыл бұрын
No music background please. It's irritating & distracting. You didn't used to add it. Why start now. I'm dissappointed in you. I thought you were more mature, professional & sensible. At one point I can hardly hear what your saying. Bldy ridiculous
@namenamename390
@namenamename390 2 жыл бұрын
When Niki Lauda was told by Boeing that they wouldn't release a statement on wether they take the blame, he basically said to them "If it's so safe to deploy the thrust reversers mid flight, give me a 767 and I'll try it". Boeing said they couldn't do that because it's unsafe. Niki Lauda was an incredible person.
@DavidCastro-wf8cl
@DavidCastro-wf8cl 2 жыл бұрын
boeing is so dangerous I don’t understand why people still fly boeing or wht boeing is still around
@TheRangewannab8
@TheRangewannab8 2 жыл бұрын
@@DavidCastro-wf8cl when your in cahoots with the us govt you tend to get away with quite a bit
@megamillionfreak
@megamillionfreak 2 жыл бұрын
@@TheRangewannab8 Airbus is in cahoots with a dozen EU governments.
@Ergzay
@Ergzay 2 жыл бұрын
I'm not sure what you're saying is historically accurate. Sounds more like a celebrity CEO trying to defend the image of his airline.
@namenamename390
@namenamename390 2 жыл бұрын
@@Ergzay then go check the history. If you find something that conflicts with my comment, then link it. All I heard is that Lauda was deeply passionate about aviation and cared about the victims lost in a flight under his name. Of course he wanted to preserve the image of his airline, why wouldn't he, but he was certain that his company wasn't to blame for the crash, so he tried to prove it.
@cupofjoen
@cupofjoen 2 жыл бұрын
I remember Nikki Lauda brings a few passenger's family to see the crash site. Lauda even made a statement "People died on my plane" that broke my heart. He really cares about his customers.
@mehmarcus1995
@mehmarcus1995 2 жыл бұрын
Niki Lauda was always a fighter, fighting to get into Formula 1, fighting for his life after his horrific Nurburgring crash, fighting for better safety standards, fighting for fairer driver contracts and fighting to get to the truth of this accident.
@tomriley5790
@tomriley5790 2 жыл бұрын
Having been burned so badly himself it must have been particularly bad.
@DarthEvilicus
@DarthEvilicus 2 жыл бұрын
He put his personal and professional reputation on the line to get to the bottom of it. He even said if the cause was a training or maintenance deficiency on the part of his company he would personally resign from Lauda Air, what an upstanding man
@hauntedshadowslegacy2826
@hauntedshadowslegacy2826 2 жыл бұрын
@@DarthEvilicus Damn, now that is some top-tier professionalism.
@beargillium2369
@beargillium2369 2 жыл бұрын
Too bad Boeing doesn't gaf
@wulfman15
@wulfman15 2 жыл бұрын
Worth noting that Nikki Lauda really had to push Boeing to investigate this further. If not for his persistence these people may have died in vain. He REALLY cared about his airline.
@antiwokehuman
@antiwokehuman 2 жыл бұрын
He was an honourable man who had standards. Not some PR representative with premade answers. That's the difference
@dfuher968
@dfuher968 2 жыл бұрын
Yeah, Boeing wrote it off as pilot error. He was the 1, who showed up in Seattle and kept going through it in their simulator, until they had to admit, there was more to it, that no pilots couldve done, what needed to be done in time to save the plane. Sadly, Boeing didnt learn from it and did the exact same thing with the 737MAX with no Lauda to stop them that time.
@wulfman15
@wulfman15 2 жыл бұрын
@@dfuher968 boeing will never learn. Read about the 737 rudder incidents from the 90s. Truly unbelievable.
@nerysghemor5781
@nerysghemor5781 2 жыл бұрын
That’s really good to know. More people need that “the buck stops here” kind of sense of responsibility to keep pushing like that.
@baksatibi
@baksatibi 2 жыл бұрын
He was also a commercial pilot, he flew his planes and knew the crew personally.
@danishfarrell4653
@danishfarrell4653 Жыл бұрын
Knowing that Niki Lauda was one of the people to push for safety reforms in Formula 1 after his horrible accident in the Nürburgring, the accident must've affected him very badly
@ethanspaziani1070
@ethanspaziani1070 11 ай бұрын
People's lives have to be taken in order for safety to be taken seriously in the world
@kay9549
@kay9549 8 ай бұрын
Niki lauda tried to simulate that incident in a simulator, he was unfortunately unable to recover.
@biljancanin
@biljancanin 6 ай бұрын
He didn't push safety just after his incident. He just pushed it more after
@felixgeith9189
@felixgeith9189 6 ай бұрын
In his biography he says this accident was a far worse experience for him than what happened to him in F1. He said driving an F1 car and accepting the risk coming with that was his own decision. But this accident was 200+ losing their lives because something out of their control went wrong. This affected him deeply. He also recounted a story of when he visited a mass funeral for 83 unidentified victims of the flight (I think in Bangkok). He saw a young Austrian boy throwing seashells into the mass grave. When he asked his grandmother she said they were for the young boys parents who both perished in the accident. Lauda deeply cared about the lives lost. He even said publicly if his airline was at fault here he would end the company.
@arthurguitar
@arthurguitar 6 ай бұрын
Lauda had a hell of a time getting Lauda Air off the ground (no pun intended) in the first instance, with so much opposition from Austria Airlines who didn’t want competition. A one off character.
@drimachuck
@drimachuck 2 жыл бұрын
My favourite part of the investigation is that Niki Lauda's response to Boeing refusing to admit fault was "ok then give me a 767 and let me deploy thrust reversers in flight, if I die I die" and Boeing said it wasn't safe and Lauda went AHA!
@mikefowler301
@mikefowler301 2 жыл бұрын
Ha ha Boeing doesn't build the engines or thrust reverser for said engine the Engine Manufacturer does. we install by there specifications. ME? Boeing over thirty years with.
@fracapolligummala3548
@fracapolligummala3548 2 жыл бұрын
@@mikefowler301 What does it matter? They sell an airplane thats isnt safe as safe.
@petegaslondon
@petegaslondon 2 жыл бұрын
Sorry @@mikefowler301 , but if i made a TV or automobile with dud components, I'd still be liable - it's Boeing that writes the manuals and issues the Directives, right ?
@eriksvensson2098
@eriksvensson2098 2 жыл бұрын
@@mikefowler301 Apple doesnt manufacture their screens assemble their phones or heck even ship them to the user with apple shipping, their customer service is from a third party vendor and repairs are done by others as well. If my screen goes black one day and i call apple they will not tell me to call samsung, they will ask if there is any damage and then cover it through warranty. So what was my point, oh yes.. It doesnt matter who you bought the parts from, the whole piece that Boeing sold is what their responsibility covers, otherwise it will all lead to a mine in Congo where a 8 year old dug up the metals used.
@augustjsb
@augustjsb 2 жыл бұрын
@@eriksvensson2098 To be fair, that's not really the same thing. If your phone screen breaks it's just an inconvenience. If engines stops working. Hundreds of people fall tens of thousands of feet out of the sky. On a phone it may not matter who makes the individual parts, but on a plane it does. Which is not to say Boeing is free from liability. But who made what matters a lot more on situations like this
@Andywinnipeg
@Andywinnipeg 2 жыл бұрын
I am Austrian and I still remember the news in the radio about this accident. It's unbelievable that this happened to Lauda Air, safety was everything for Niki Lauda, already back then a living legend. He did everything to make sure to find out what really happened, he was convinced it was not the fault from his airline, and he was right.
@marcelk3847
@marcelk3847 2 жыл бұрын
He was a good person indeed. Great race driver too. And always stood to his opinion
@thewhitefalcon8539
@thewhitefalcon8539 2 жыл бұрын
@@marcelk3847 sounds like the kind of CEO that would be fired today for not maximizing shareholder profits!
@youtubemodsaresnowflakelef7692
@youtubemodsaresnowflakelef7692 Жыл бұрын
@@thewhitefalcon8539 Good luck firing the majority share holder. Lauda was the quintessential blunt and to the point person. When Boeing tried to get him to accept blame/accept blame on his pilot's behalf, he offered to take a plane and go through the procedures that Boeing claimed the pilots should have done. With him flying and the execs on board (and ofc the benefit of not being taken by surprise and knowing exactly what's gonna happen). They refused, not wanting to put their own asses on the line. Boeing has a history of this, btw. They did the same with the MAX and other incidents, trying to blame pilot error and claiming it was "recoverable with our guidelines".
@BruceCarbonLakeriver
@BruceCarbonLakeriver Жыл бұрын
@@youtubemodsaresnowflakelef7692 the rudder mess in the 90's as example but it re-appeared hence Trump shut those models down. The media just yelled at Trump for "hurting US american companies" what a joke...
@brianobrian6637
@brianobrian6637 11 ай бұрын
Mr. Lauda cemented his reputation for honesty, safety, truth and fact, amongst other outstanding traits, here in The U.S. after this horrific tragedy. Seeing the Ceo/Owner of an airline that had his name on the side of it, AT the accident site! was something myself and many others had never seen until that day and have not seen it since. Absolutely Amazing human being I wish I had the privilege of knowing. R.i.p. To the passengers
@michaelschmitz2392
@michaelschmitz2392 2 жыл бұрын
This episode is rather personal to me because I lost a good friend on this flight. Thanks anyway for your brilliant explanation and all your efforts that go into these videos.
@TracyA123
@TracyA123 2 жыл бұрын
I'm very sorry.😞
@michaelschmitz2392
@michaelschmitz2392 2 жыл бұрын
@@TracyA123 Thank you Dear 🙏😊
@michaelschmitz2392
@michaelschmitz2392 2 жыл бұрын
@Jesus Christ Thank you 🙏😊 I know you are right!
@sharppointy1
@sharppointy1 2 жыл бұрын
I'm so sorry for your loss. I hope Petter's explanations helped you in some way. Hugs
@michaelschmitz2392
@michaelschmitz2392 2 жыл бұрын
@@sharppointy1 Thanks Dear 🙏😊
@richardberman2778
@richardberman2778 2 жыл бұрын
My friend's dad was the pilot on this flight. Boeing tried to pin the disaster on him, but relented and admitted fault when Niki Lauda personally flew the simulator dozens of times and proved that it was a design flaw that Boeing knew about. Lauda threatened to call out Boeing publicly if they didn't stop trying to frame the crew.
@bigguy1943
@bigguy1943 Жыл бұрын
The 🅱️ussy 🅱️oeing vs The GIGACH🅰️D Niki Lauda
@katrineroberts4084
@katrineroberts4084 Жыл бұрын
There were no survivors, so the script said.
@katrineroberts4084
@katrineroberts4084 Жыл бұрын
How did your friend's dad survive?
@Alphatrillon
@Alphatrillon Жыл бұрын
​@@katrineroberts4084M8, blame on the dead pilot 😂, Boeing wanted to place blame on the pilot. Humanity is screwed if we need to explain this.
@katrineroberts4084
@katrineroberts4084 Жыл бұрын
@@Alphatrillon that was so awful of Boeing. They fucked up so badly, no oñe had a chance.
@error262
@error262 2 жыл бұрын
It's even more sad when you see Niki Lauda at the crash site. He's was of the purest hearts there was. Such an amazing human doesn't deserve this much pain on his shoulders.
@raven4k998
@raven4k998 2 жыл бұрын
what's really sad is they are saying that it's impossible if it's impossible then it would not have happened
@williamfeilhauer
@williamfeilhauer 2 жыл бұрын
@@raven4k998 thanks for putting that out there! I agree, impossible has no place in this situation... thanks for sharing 👍.
@gertjanvandermeij4265
@gertjanvandermeij4265 Жыл бұрын
Nikki Lauda was an horrible, money driven man ! Trying to blame Boeing, for his own crappy maintenance !
@MissSharpMouth
@MissSharpMouth Жыл бұрын
You're completely deluded.
@JustMe-fo4ev
@JustMe-fo4ev Жыл бұрын
@@raven4k998 Man wait until you learn about hyperbole!
@helmuthj.zotter7272
@helmuthj.zotter7272 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you for this episode. I knew Niki Lauda personally. He was most devastated since Boeing tried to cover up. He threatened them to go all out public, if they do not come out with the findings. He was one of THE greatest human beings I ever met in my lifetime.
@Dowlphin
@Dowlphin 2 жыл бұрын
What were his motivations for founding an airline? I find it worth noting that it was a likely systemic lack of safety standards that led to this. Because, maybe grounding a plane until you have found the technical detail would be seen as endangering the survival of the business, and that already created complicity. We always have to look at the karmic balance sheet. Same reason why if you want to cause positive change, going into politics is not necessarily a good way to do that because there you might limit your freedoms to act accordingly.
@y_fam_goeglyd
@y_fam_goeglyd 2 жыл бұрын
As an F1 fan since he started in the sport, maybe a year or so longer (I was v young!), one thing I always admired about him was his determination to do the right thing, no matter the cost to himself. That is a characteristic of the few people I've known or known of that puts them in my highest position of regard. Even though I'm a Brit and of course, as an 11 year-old at the time, I was willing Hunt to win the championship, I continued to admire Niki from round one of the season. I don't think I breathed properly after the German GP until the news came that he had pulled through. That was news which all motorsports fans across the globe were desperate to hear. His return to the track from that horrific accident - I was going to say "astounded" me, but I don't think that's strong enough a word. He had already impressed me, both for his skills and honour, but despite the years, that day I actually remember crying with relief to see that he was almost back to his old self in a car, and then crying more out of sympathy on seeing the state of his face after the race. The pain must have been extreme. And to be honest, come that race in Japan, I was more relieved that he retired on safety grounds than glad that it gave Hunt the win. (It's known that Hunt absolutely admired Niki beyond words, before and after that season.) It took a massive pair of "brass ones" as we say, to stand up to the world and say "No, it's too dangerous." It's far too easy to give into peer pressure to continue, but he was always beyond that (otherwise he'd have been a banker IIRC!) His involvement in the investigation is legendary amongst his fans. It was something which didn't surprise us, but to take on the might of Boeing was something that not many individuals _could_ let alone would do. It was a relief to hear the truth when it came out, because I remember that Boeing were trying to blame his company and the pilots. That sort of behaviour cannot be allowed, and as ever, Niki led the way and gave strength to other individuals who needed to take on big corporations. His legend lives on, and his actions will continue to have an effect on the behaviour of big business long after we're gone, I'm sure. I'm sorry you lost your friend too soon. I know it was a miracle he lived as long as he did (stubborn old so'n'so lol), but it was still too soon.
@fh2926
@fh2926 2 жыл бұрын
@@y_fam_goeglyd Mandy, I love your comments! Not many people appreciate what a remarkable man Niki was! F1 drivers from that era were a special breed, but to me Niki stood taller than the rest because of his remarkable character. My first in person F1 race was the 1976 US Grand Prix West at Long Beach. I was a Lauda fan and a Ferrari fan. We had pit row grandstand seats right above the Ferrari pits. It was a Ferrari 1-2 weekend. Clay Reggazoni was on fire, taking pole, fastest lap and leading from start to finish. Niki finished second, increasing his lead in the driver's championship. James retired from third after an accident, only for the mechanics to find the car was still drivable after the race! A relative of mine was involved in bringing the Queen Mary to Long Beach, so I had access that many didn't that weekend. Met Chris Pook, Rob Walker, Phil Hill and Mario Andretti. Lots of history, too. Mario ran into Colin Chapman at a coffee shop the next morning, they agreed on Mario's Lotus ride on the spot. Ronnie Peterson, Patrick Depailler, Gunnar Nilsson and Tom Pryce all drove in that race. This was a golden era, and just five months before the Nurbirgring crash. Over the years, I have come to understand that Ferrari is not a good company. Enzo himself was not a nice person, nor a good person. (Things got worse after he passed.) It's interesting to think about a man like Niki driving for someone like Enzo. Morally, they were total opposites. It's easy to see why Niki walked away the way he did. Niki founded three airllines. In another remarkable episode, he faced down the Austrian government over routes they were protecting, with the same tenacity he brought to bear on Boeing. He won that one too, naturally! Along the way, he consulted for Ferrari, managed the ill-fated Jaguar F1 effort and was non-executive chairman and part owner of the Mercedes F1 team. He was instrumental in signing Lewis Hamilton. In a better world, we would all study great people with an eye toward making the best of ourselves. Niki would be at the top of that study list! Thank you for your post. It made my day!
@poruatokin
@poruatokin 2 жыл бұрын
@@Dowlphin Sounds so much like something another Boeing shareholder would say. The company has proven time and time again how incompetent and slimey they are. Why would you defend them?
@Dowlphin
@Dowlphin 2 жыл бұрын
@@poruatokin It is shocking and telling what childish accusations and strawmen are flying here from several commenters just to not have to look at the big picture and the systemic issues. This is part of the whole problem.
@SaltyChip
@SaltyChip 2 жыл бұрын
24:04 there is formula 1 legend Nikki Lauda who owned the airline. He got on site as soon as possible and wanted to know how the accident happened to make sure it wouldn’t happen again. You’ll never see an airline CEO or owner ever rush to the site of an accident and not hide behind a plethora of lawyers. What a stand up guy.
@Nxtn
@Nxtn 2 жыл бұрын
Also how he was willing to sacrifice himself on an actual flight with the same conditions to prove boeing was in the wrong aka die
@peltekechum5215
@peltekechum5215 2 жыл бұрын
Not just that, he even went to Boeing tu crush them alive.
@nade5557
@nade5557 2 жыл бұрын
Look at his expression in the picture, it says it all
@novanoir8309
@novanoir8309 2 жыл бұрын
Wow, Nikki Lauda
@vonbraunwerner9067
@vonbraunwerner9067 2 жыл бұрын
Lauda later said that he had more suffering from this crash than from his 1976 F1 accident ( ever saw that movie Rush ?). Considering how badly burned he was, and nearly died, it says something about how the air disaster affected him. R.I.P Lauda (1949-2019).
@bertiodvonrastenburger1129
@bertiodvonrastenburger1129 2 жыл бұрын
Pretty much the most terrifying account of an aeroplane loss I've watched, what those people went through in those few moments is beyond imagination.
@siemniak
@siemniak Жыл бұрын
Probably unconscious
@JamesBrown-oe7zd
@JamesBrown-oe7zd Жыл бұрын
I’ll be on a plane in two days lol
@JamesBrown-oe7zd
@JamesBrown-oe7zd Жыл бұрын
I survived
@JamesBrown-oe7zd
@JamesBrown-oe7zd Жыл бұрын
Tho on the way back there was a super typhoon leaving the Philippines lol Got intense for a moment
@kukuc96
@kukuc96 Жыл бұрын
Yeah, most of the videos on this channel feature a long chain of errors and mistakes (design, manufacturing, maintenance, procedure, training, pilot error etc.) to get to an accident. Here it went from flying completely normally (with the only indication of anything being off being the thrust reverser isolation warning that all training and procedure painted as not concerning) to completely doomed, in what? 20? 30? seconds.
@ultimachamada1
@ultimachamada1 2 жыл бұрын
One curiosity about this history and was beyond the scope of your video: accordingly to the Brazilian most respected F1 journalist Reginaldo Leme initially, Boeing strongly disagreed about the investigation conclusion and stood up with the position that this kind of failure was impossible. So Lauda himself went to Boeing's simulators and they lost the plane in all of the 15 flight simulations. However, Boeing kept denying that the Reverse deployment was the main cause and the pilots inputs was crucial to the crash. So Lauda convoked a press conference and challenged Boeing to a real flight with the same failure and initial conditions, only with himself and the test pilots a board. Boeing immediately retreat themself and assumed that the reverse deployment inflight was the main causa and the pilots wasn't trained to face the "impossible failure". I think Boeing executives didn't knew that Nikki Lauda went to Hell and came back a couple of decades earlier. One of the most tenacious and stubborn awesome human that ever lived.
@stormix5755
@stormix5755 2 жыл бұрын
Lauda was a badass. Nearly got burned alive in an F1 car, he knows real fear and danger. Someone like him has real empathy for what the crash victims went through, while the Boeing execs in cushy offices don't
@billrimmer5596
@billrimmer5596 2 жыл бұрын
Thank u for that excellent info!!
@xonx209
@xonx209 2 жыл бұрын
That is both very creative and brave for Nikki Lauda. He should get a hero's award for this.
@machida58
@machida58 2 жыл бұрын
@@stormix5755 Maybe the executives just don't give a shit or maybe they had a vested interest in hiding the truth.
@ultimachamada1
@ultimachamada1 2 жыл бұрын
@@stormix5755 Safety was his first priority after his almost fatal crash. And he communicate clearly when he choosed safety over a championship in 1976. The guy was a legend, he faced alone the angry and dark side of the most passionate fans of the entire motorsport, the "Tifosi". If you are smart, you don't try to make fun over someone like him.
@Gosti85
@Gosti85 2 жыл бұрын
One thing I'm actually missing from this is how long Boeing was denying that there was a flaw with the design, and that activating reverse thrust in such a situation would be completely uncontrollable, until Lauda said that he himself would take one of the planes and replicate this situation to see if it would be possible, for of he fails it will just him dying, while when he should be able to control the situation, he would resign. It was there where Boeing then admitted that it would be unsafe
@MikkoRantalainen
@MikkoRantalainen 2 жыл бұрын
This should be the pinned comment.
@2760ade
@2760ade 2 жыл бұрын
Boing, Boing, Boing!! Sounds like Zebedee😂'Boeing' for goodness sake. It's only written a hundred times on this page.
@Dowlphin
@Dowlphin 2 жыл бұрын
@@2760ade They deserve to be called Boing!
@2760ade
@2760ade 2 жыл бұрын
@@Dowlphin That's a very good point!🤣
@mortblackthorn187
@mortblackthorn187 2 жыл бұрын
That's Boeing for you. Well never fly on any of their junk ever again.
@Powerranger-le4up
@Powerranger-le4up 2 жыл бұрын
RIP Niki Lauda. Uniquely, he wasn’t just the owner of Lauda Air, but one of their pilots as well.
@bmxerqf882
@bmxerqf882 2 жыл бұрын
It amazes me how much he was able to achieve in his life, F1 champion, total badass for returning to racing weeks after the horrific crash, a qualified pilot, an incredible businessman and he even got a company as shady as Boeing to back down. He then went on to be part of the one of the most dominant F1 teams in history in an advisory role until the day he sadly passed away
@straxwb
@straxwb 2 жыл бұрын
@@bmxerqf882 not only that, he is the one that insisted with Mercedes on hiring Lewis Hamilton in 2014, the board (including Toto Wolff) didn't really want to but Lauda insisted until he had his way. We all know what happened afterwards from 2014 to 2021. Niki was one of a kind, we will all really miss him
@bmxerqf882
@bmxerqf882 2 жыл бұрын
@@chiefdenis you're definitely remembering wrong, he was world champion in 1975, 1977 and 1984
@pmfx65
@pmfx65 2 жыл бұрын
Not only that! I am rather sure he is the only person who founded four airlines in his lifetime.
@LaidbackLukee
@LaidbackLukee 2 жыл бұрын
@@chiefdenis the time it took you to write that out you could've googled it
@bladerunner12
@bladerunner12 Жыл бұрын
The saddest accident stories are the ones where the pilots did absolutely nothing wrong :\
@BruceCarbonLakeriver
@BruceCarbonLakeriver Жыл бұрын
AND GOT BLAMED !!!
@simonsv9449
@simonsv9449 Жыл бұрын
@@BruceCarbonLakeriver That’s so true. But not every accident had surviving pilots.
@BruceCarbonLakeriver
@BruceCarbonLakeriver Жыл бұрын
@@simonsv9449 yep but their families!
@simonsv9449
@simonsv9449 Жыл бұрын
@@BruceCarbonLakeriver Did their families get blamed for an accident that was not their fault, and not the pilots’ fault either.
@BruceCarbonLakeriver
@BruceCarbonLakeriver Жыл бұрын
@@simonsv9449 yep it happens very often actually and it is sad. Mostly b/c of bad news coverage.
@Gosti85
@Gosti85 2 жыл бұрын
As an Austrian, this episode is very personal, as I still remember how Niki Lauda was on TV on a regular basis, trying to explain what was going on and answering questions and correct misinformation. Really thank you for covering this incident
@danielwatts1403
@danielwatts1403 Жыл бұрын
As always, thank you for not dramatizing the story. The absolute horror of this accident sequence speaks for itself.
@natefessler3961
@natefessler3961 2 жыл бұрын
That breakup animation was harrowing, and extremely well done. I can't even imagine being aboard in those last few minutes.
@vsucountryboy
@vsucountryboy 2 жыл бұрын
Timestamp?
@yukonstriker1703
@yukonstriker1703 2 жыл бұрын
@@vsucountryboy @22:15
@marhawkman303
@marhawkman303 2 жыл бұрын
I can imagine it... you'd have just enough time to think "o god we're gonna crash!" as the plane twists sideways and breaks apart. between the wings shearing off and impact was only a few seconds. doesn't take long to hit the ground at Mach .99 or higher.
@RiftWalker111
@RiftWalker111 2 жыл бұрын
@@marhawkman303 maybe, but please understand the idea of going through something like this would still be horrible, may all those who lost their lived rest easy.
@PetrSojnek
@PetrSojnek 2 жыл бұрын
@@RiftWalker111 Well, yes, but if something like this would happen, I'd rather die in 5 seconds instead of being freightened to death for tens of minutes while knowing inevitable will come sooner or later.
@SMules
@SMules Жыл бұрын
It’s beyond me how these people had it in them to loot the crash site. They surely must have stepped over the remains of all those corpses. It’s really disturbing. God bless Niki Lauda for standing up against Boeing and bringing justice to the victims.
@worawatli8952
@worawatli8952 Жыл бұрын
I live in Thailand, road accident looting is still happening, some people are really desperate, anything that can be sold and they can get away with would get stolen. It wasn't much of a surprised some people loot downed planes.
@MisterPlanePilot
@MisterPlanePilot Жыл бұрын
To be honest, there wasn't much if anything left of the bodies. Hitting the ground over mach 1, straight down in a fireballed aircraft will do that.
@privateer0561
@privateer0561 Жыл бұрын
Extreme poverty will do that to one.
@ladyscarfaceangel4616
@ladyscarfaceangel4616 10 ай бұрын
Stealing from the dead is just wrong. Unless it's an emergency situation. Such as taking a jacket off a deceased person to keep yourself or someone else from freezing to death. Life or death emergency situations. Starving to death even. I dont think it's right to loot the dead just to loot or for greed. I can see why for emergencies.
@imana4838
@imana4838 9 ай бұрын
I’m sure Boeing was behind the looting…how did they steal the exact component necessary to prove what went wrong? Looters steal stuff not plane parts.
@BruceCarbonLakeriver
@BruceCarbonLakeriver Жыл бұрын
Lauda was the only CEO I know from an airline who went out to the crash side by himself and made Boeing pay for their crap they did. (dunno which incident ist actually was...) He also appeared on Maday Alarm in cockpit. And he also fought hard legally for the families and pilots. They were struggling with this reverser issue for years up until this accident.
@kay9549
@kay9549 8 ай бұрын
Yes he absolutely did go to the crash sight. It was one of this aircraft, other than a formula driver, also a pilot. He did address this abnormalities to manufacturer Boeing. In reference to thrust reverser deploying during flight. He also tried to recover his craft, in a simulator scenario, unfortunately he was not able to recover, craft was not able to come back to normal flight during stall/dive.
@rogerfroud300
@rogerfroud300 2 жыл бұрын
It's deeply troubling that each time a fix was attempted to the fault, it reset the clock. Persistent faults like this should accumulate time to prevent long standing issues wating to catch you out.
@walshamite
@walshamite 2 жыл бұрын
Anyone who's consumed the whole Max8 scandal is likely to conclude that, when it comes to safety, Boeing talk the talk, but don't walk the walk. I'm reminded of Ralph Nader and those exploding fuel tanks of Chevrolet/Ford production cars in the 70s. Perhaps you recall the phrase of those days, "Too big to care!"
@westyavro
@westyavro 2 жыл бұрын
I whole heartily agree. There should be not reset of the time especially if the incident had repeated even once in a given year.
@vincentanguoni8938
@vincentanguoni8938 2 жыл бұрын
Ditto on that.. At ground level if the oil pressure light on my 84 F100 kept coming back.. I paid attention
@SaltExarch
@SaltExarch 2 жыл бұрын
I think the key point here is that Boeing basically said it was a minor issue and not worth grounding the plane for, and the "reset" wasn't just the engineers slapping duct tape on the problem and hoping it'll work, they were replacing actual components. To use the example of a ground vehicle, it wouldn't be an oil pressure light, it'd be like if your passenger airbag light kept coming on when there wasn't a passenger on board, and so you kept taking it to a mechanic and they kept replacing your airbag or the fuse or electronic components as per the car dealer's instructions and being like "hopefully it's fixed this time". Each time you take it to them you think this time you've finally fixed the problem, but you both know it's been a minor but problematic problem. It's something you both want to get to the bottom of, but the most important part is that you have a drivable car. Then one day your passenger air bag explodes violently, blasting you with shrapnel from your dashboard, incapacitating you, and you hit a semi and cause a 10-car pile up. All because your car dealer did incorrect safety testing on the airbags they were using and then assured you and everyone else they were totally fine.
@BruinAnonymous
@BruinAnonymous Жыл бұрын
@@SaltExarch The thing I think you’re missing here is that it was a minor problem they thought they had handled until it suddenly and horrifically wasn’t. Fortunately these people didn’t die in vain and a solution that actually fixed the problem was found but unfortunately things that result in minor issues 100% of the time and then suddenly result in a horrific tragedy are bound to happen.
@EricBishard
@EricBishard 2 жыл бұрын
The production value just keeps getting better, thanks mentor team!
@MentourPilot
@MentourPilot 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you for helping to support the channel. Much appreciated
@Shauryaaya
@Shauryaaya 2 жыл бұрын
it's mentour lol
@dozz0118
@dozz0118 2 жыл бұрын
Totally agree - a great team effort
@bikeny
@bikeny 2 жыл бұрын
True. My only nit to pick is the use of background music. I really wish folks wouldn't use it during narrations, as it competes with the speaker. There is enough drama in the actual video without having music attempt to add to it. I turned on cc and muted various parts. The auto cc does a decent job of getting the words right, even if there is no punctuation. Again, the video itself and all the tech work putting it together is great; I'm just not in favor of the music.
@Flipdrivel
@Flipdrivel 2 жыл бұрын
@@bikeny Well said. It's schlocky and unhelpful. Everything else is so well done.
@FutureSystem738
@FutureSystem738 2 жыл бұрын
I was flying the 767 at the time. I actually knew one of these pilots a little. It was a million to one chance - quite incredible, and so sad.
@bepowerification
@bepowerification 2 жыл бұрын
I love how Niki Lauda handled this. He gave a sht about politics and PR and just wanted the families to know what happened and Boeing to communicate what the reason was. He was a great goodhearted man.
@wjhann4836
@wjhann4836 2 жыл бұрын
Perhaps his strictness was some stress to Boeing also. He is known for his perfectionism on make things right.
@nerysghemor5781
@nerysghemor5781 2 жыл бұрын
@@wjhann4836 Maybe he should take over Boeing, or someone like him.
@Kylemsguy
@Kylemsguy 2 жыл бұрын
@@nerysghemor5781 unfortunately, he passed a few years ago
@nerysghemor5781
@nerysghemor5781 2 жыл бұрын
@@Kylemsguy 😢 That’s unfortunate. I imagine he’s with the angels though.
@cryptoslacker-464
@cryptoslacker-464 2 жыл бұрын
Not the case now with Boeing, big business comes in and look what happens. I'm worried now about Qantas . 10 years ago I would say it was one of the safest Airlines. With what is going on now with cost cutting. I doubt their reputation will last
@leokimvideo
@leokimvideo 2 жыл бұрын
We all now know when Boeing is in denial there's something going on
@isabellind1292
@isabellind1292 2 жыл бұрын
It's difficult to forget Boeing CEO Muilenburg, sitting in front of Congress during the MAX737 hearings, testifying to all the victims families he was just a good old country boy (except for the sizzling-hot golden parachute he then rode on out of Dodge)!💰🪂💰
@BruceCarbonLakeriver
@BruceCarbonLakeriver Жыл бұрын
The issue is: They are in denial very often.....
@slagarcrue85
@slagarcrue85 11 ай бұрын
Because there spinless sneak cowards.
@tjtruth4793
@tjtruth4793 10 ай бұрын
That’s pretty much any major corporation or govt (just another big corporation that doesn’t produce anything)
@emilsinclair4190
@emilsinclair4190 9 ай бұрын
It produces the most important products. Laws and society. ​@@tjtruth4793
@GrandPrixDecals
@GrandPrixDecals 2 жыл бұрын
A very sanitised account - (that's understandable), Niki Lauda had to get involved to make Boeing admit it was their fault. Lauda was devastated by this and did everything he could to get to the bottom of it. At great personal expense. If anyone doesn't know who Niki Lauda is, look him up, an unbelievable legend. The movie Rush is a great starting point.
@joker927
@joker927 2 жыл бұрын
I recognized the name but attributed it to being a common name. Your comment made me learn it was the same person. Fascinating.
@roadwarrior144
@roadwarrior144 2 жыл бұрын
I wish I couldve met Mr. Lauda. Im sure many people thought his perfectionist nature was unctuous and irritating, but in this situation, his dedication to getting things done and done right is wonderful. I remember an interview where he was enraged that he couldn’t publicly clear his name and the name of his airline until the lawyers at Boeing could craft and release a statement deflecting as much blame as they could. Im sure that dick move on Boeing’s part signaled the beginning of the end of the the old-school boeing we all remember fondly.
@karlrovey
@karlrovey 2 жыл бұрын
Sounds like a large scale version of the faulty Cessna design that resulted in water being allowed to remain in the fuel tanks despite proper pre-flight testing. Now it has been demonstrated and Cessna still blames the pilot whenever there's a crash due to contaminated fuel. The only exceptions are when the pilot survives and can prove the pre-flight fuel test was done properly.
@tjroelsma
@tjroelsma 2 жыл бұрын
Niki Lauda was an accomplished engineer who recognised BS when he heard it and he immediately knew Boeing tried to feed him BS.
@DieselRamcharger
@DieselRamcharger 2 жыл бұрын
this is what happens when you pursue efficiency over performance.
@gunengineering1338
@gunengineering1338 Жыл бұрын
Nikki Lauda sounds like a real champ. Being persistent and getting down in the mud (literally) and even potentially putting his life on the line to insure the safety of his employees and customers.
@scottlawton9459
@scottlawton9459 Жыл бұрын
Niki was a 3x F1 world champion (watch Rush if you haven’t. Same guy.) Anyway, he was also a commercial pilot as well. He also didn’t take crap from anyone. He had faced death head-on and was still standing. When Niki spoke, everyone listened. Still, I feel this was his greatest legacy. How many lives have been saved due to Niki staring Boeing down and refusing to blink?
@gunengineering1338
@gunengineering1338 Жыл бұрын
@Scott Lawton yep. Seen it and knew the name when i heard it. But never knew about his involvement in aviation until this video. I did some digging on him and how he handled this incident. His battle with the airline industry would have made just as good a movie. To think they could have made a sequel to Rush and it still be a true story and epic. I always thought he was pretty cool but this ordeal sent my respect for the man through the roof.
@carolepetricek6977
@carolepetricek6977 2 жыл бұрын
The level of detail in your illustrations is amazing. Some elements of the accident in this episode bring to mind one story that I would love to see you cover: the 1994 incident with FedEX 705. Specifically, how did an injured pilot and a DC10 survive an inverted dive in excess of 650 kts, lose the counterweights in the tail, perform acrobatics like a fighter, and manage to land overweight, overspeed and with a full load of fuel? The reason this came to mind is because this same plane (now a MD10) was in the news again last month, when it performed an emergency landing in Tulsa. This led to a lot of discussion in the comments (on a couple different platforms) about the first incident, and several of the details are quite similar to those in this video. The difference was, the DC10 held together and landed more or less safely. Now, the most recent incident with N306Fe happened on 7th June, when a suspected cargo fire that turned out to be 2 entirely unrelated bugs. Literally, a cloud of 5000 escaped ladybugs in cargo that triggered the smoke sensors, plus a heat signature in the same general area caused by some exhaust issue in the #2 engine. Anyways, there are quite a few avgeeks in the US that follow this plane (still hauling cargo 30 years later) and it would be really cool to see you illustrate what happened during that amazing incident. There is so much technical stuff that got skipped in the one documentary I’ve seen on it, which focuses almost entirely on what motivated the guy that attempted the hijacking (which led to the arial maneuvers in an attempt to keep the attacker off balance), and what physical injuries the crew had. Haven’t seen much of anything on what happened to the airplane, but there are pretty good details in a book. Would be awesome if you could illustrate this incident on your channel sometime!
@barbarawilcox182
@barbarawilcox182 2 жыл бұрын
I agree. I always wondered how FedEx 705 was able to survive the extreme maneuvers beyond its tolerances, or if it was damaged by them.
@alunesh12345
@alunesh12345 2 жыл бұрын
@@barbarawilcox182 Believe in JESUS today, confess and repent of your sins. No one goes to heaven for doing good but by believing in JESUS who died for our sins. For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life.(John 3:16)🥳❤️😗❤️🙌
@dewilew2137
@dewilew2137 2 жыл бұрын
Wait, does he do these illustrations himself?! I’m a new subscriber, I was just trying to figure out where he gets these detailed renderings from. My goodness, this must take him forever.
@dewilew2137
@dewilew2137 2 жыл бұрын
@@alunesh12345 stop it.
@soquick69
@soquick69 2 жыл бұрын
@@dewilew2137 I believe it's the game Microsoft Flight Simulator.
@robertfindley921
@robertfindley921 2 жыл бұрын
As an engineer, I am shocked at the lack of failure mode analysis on this aircraft. Not considering thrust reverser deployment at higher than idle speed is just pathetic. I would reject a FMECA outright if I saw that. I would need to study this more, but this might be criminal negligence.
@MikkoRantalainen
@MikkoRantalainen 2 жыл бұрын
I agree. Also, I think that the worst low altitude situation would be system accidentally deploying reverse thrust on the left immediately after the plane has flied over the end of the runway. In that situation engine power is high and altitude is very low. Even if you couldn't figure out that high altitude situation would be bad, the takeoff configuration should have been included in testing at very minimum. (Or even worse situation would be deploying reverse thrust on all engines after the takeoff but that's definitely not possible to fix and shouldn't happen with true redundancy anyway.)
@Sergioosh
@Sergioosh 2 жыл бұрын
You do know this is very easy to say in hindsight? You don't even know all the details. I'm not defending their decision, but I find it laughable you think you'd do anything differently just because you're an engineer. I'm an engineer too, but it isn't my field, and also I do not argue from authority.
@mortblackthorn187
@mortblackthorn187 2 жыл бұрын
Amazing how Boeing keeps getting away with this B.S.
@Sergioosh
@Sergioosh 2 жыл бұрын
@@mortblackthorn187 they actually don't, but all plane manufacturers will try to avoid responsibility as their first reaction. They do have a lot riding on it after all.
@southerncross86
@southerncross86 2 жыл бұрын
Indeed, how was this aircraft cleared with the modelling only done at low speeds? As said,, pathetic to criminal.
@orangecrush5862
@orangecrush5862 2 жыл бұрын
Disgusting that the wreck site was looted! Wow! I was in Dallas in the 80s when the Delta wind sheer crash happened and people were stealing the luggage that had fell out of the plane after it skipped across the highway. What kind of person does this? Shame!
@robertbruner7429
@robertbruner7429 2 жыл бұрын
@@axo9813 Just to clarify, you saw a lot of crashes of _aircraft_ in Thailand?
@straxwb
@straxwb 2 жыл бұрын
Unfortunately humans tend to be disgusting most of the time, in some kind of specific environments. "They're dead anyways" is probably what those looters thought, when you're extremely poor you take everything you can get, respect means nothing
@yeugeniuss
@yeugeniuss 2 жыл бұрын
It happens everywhere all over the time.
@jordangreyling8820
@jordangreyling8820 2 жыл бұрын
@@yeugeniuss looting after an aircraft crash??? No it doesn't?
@Powerranger-le4up
@Powerranger-le4up 2 жыл бұрын
There have been several times where crash sites have been looted.
@zoli11
@zoli11 11 ай бұрын
Niki Lauda was an amazing guy. F1 driver, turned entrepreneur. When all air traffic was grounded due to volcanic clouds and the authorities were discussing around forever, he got so pissed, he took one of his Boeings to fly through it to prove that it's safe and that the effect on the engines could be studied. He was extremely distraught by this crash.
@catz8449
@catz8449 2 жыл бұрын
As an F1 fan, and a large fan of Niki Lauda, I really admire Niki's involvement with the aftermath. He flew out to the crash site as soon as he could and got so personally invested. Not something you see many airline CEOs doing after crashes like this.
@palimpalim5291
@palimpalim5291 2 жыл бұрын
Very true. This is the difference of family owned companies vs. some moneybags own companies and chose reckless hacks as CEOs. Reminds me of the terror attack in Tunis a few years back - dozens of cruise passengers were killed in a museum. Costa sent some PR person. MSCs CEO, son in law of the founder, Pierfrancesco Vago was there in person the very next day.
@driven01
@driven01 2 жыл бұрын
Niki was a class act, and a fine human being.
@AndorMilesBoard
@AndorMilesBoard 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the great and thought provoking video. It's rare amongst the investigations you have produced to see an air disaster caused only by the failure of the aircraft systems.
@MentourPilot
@MentourPilot 2 жыл бұрын
That’s correct
@Netbase2000
@Netbase2000 2 жыл бұрын
@@MentourPilot Why so rare that you reply?
@juliemanarin4127
@juliemanarin4127 2 жыл бұрын
@@MentourPilot I love your channel and applaud all pilots for their fantastic skills! I am afraid to fly but love it so much that I get on the plane anyway! It is thoroughly exciting to fly!
@Madmark50484
@Madmark50484 2 жыл бұрын
@@Netbase2000 look at how many comments he gets. It’s just not practical for people with larger channels to address every comment. He may still read every comment even if he doesn’t respond.
@MentourPilot
@MentourPilot 2 жыл бұрын
@@Netbase2000 I try but there are thousands of comments to answer.
@thebiggerbyte5991
@thebiggerbyte5991 2 жыл бұрын
A tragic story, for sure, but like the others below I have to say that Nikki Lauder's persistence was unbelievable and that without him this accident may well have happened again. I have seen some interview footage with him talking about this accident and it is clear to see how much this meant to him - not just as an airline but as a man who knew more about staring death in the face than most. Legend and hero are terms that are bandied around too easily, but in Lauda's case completely deserved.
@martinda7446
@martinda7446 2 жыл бұрын
Nikki Lauda was amazing and this accident was terrible for him. Everyone seems aware of his fight with Boeing.
@gertjanvandermeij4265
@gertjanvandermeij4265 Жыл бұрын
Nikki Lauda was an horrible, money driven man ! Trying to blame Boeing, for his own crappy maintenance !
@martinda7446
@martinda7446 Жыл бұрын
@@gertjanvandermeij4265 What for the uncommanded reverser operation at cruise? That is so dumb. Fact is he would have bankrupted himself to find the cause. he never gave up after getting brushed off by everyone. I feel for your family if you make stuff up in your head.
@brizzle3903
@brizzle3903 Жыл бұрын
@@gertjanvandermeij4265 you are full of complete 💩 You probably work for Boeing hence this ridiculous comment
@MissSharpMouth
@MissSharpMouth Жыл бұрын
Gertjan, the silly profile pic together with the mindless repetitions tell it all
@lesley7321
@lesley7321 Жыл бұрын
You are a piece of nasty work . Boeing admitted it was their design fault. So go do one !
@bearcubdaycare
@bearcubdaycare 2 жыл бұрын
Thrust reversal at high speed does sound like an extreme situation to try to deal with.
@Powerranger-le4up
@Powerranger-le4up 2 жыл бұрын
@InsaneMetro The problem is that the tests were lacking. The testing was done at 10,000. Niki’s pilots were at 29,000 feet and at full speed. The thin air made the deployment of a thrust reverser deadly.
@deeperlayer
@deeperlayer 2 жыл бұрын
actually, immediately set both engines to idle then think what to do, easy problem solved
@feisty-trog-12345
@feisty-trog-12345 2 жыл бұрын
@@deeperlayer Actually, if I was on that plane I would have simply walked out onto the wing and pushed the reversers back in again
@deeperlayer
@deeperlayer 2 жыл бұрын
@@feisty-trog-12345 just use a broom stick from the window, its real cold out there u could get sick
@Speeder84XL
@Speeder84XL 2 жыл бұрын
I guess what mostly counts, is how close the aircraft is to it's stall speed. If the thrust reversers are deployed close to stall speed, the speed will quickly drop critically low - at the same time as the forward air stream in it self reduces lift. At high altitude, they are not going very high above the stall speed, despite going fast (the thinner the air becomes, the more speed they need to generate lift). In this case with it deploying on only one engine, the thrust asymmetry also get extreme and more than what pilots usually train to handle and aircraft designers take into count (usually the worst case is to flying with one engine shut off - but here there is one engine that produces normal forward thrust and the other one trying to push the aircraft backwards). Also the speed of sound doesn't change very much with altitude - so there is a big risk of hitting or even exceeding the speed of sound (and get ripped apart by the aerodynamic forces) like they did here, if things go out of control. That risk isn't at all that high at lower altitudes.
@jonathanp89
@jonathanp89 2 жыл бұрын
Wow, that is one of the most horrific crashes I've ever known of. If I were on the plane, I'd hear the reassuring ding from cockpit to CC at FL10 start getting comfortable and then all of a sudden...words can't describe how terrifying that must have been.
@samalass466
@samalass466 Жыл бұрын
That's a bit simikar how it happened for me in an emergency landing. My fear of flying is massive so I tried to keep mydelf calm for about 30 minutes from take off into the flight and whike that usually works, an emergency was suddenly announced 30 minutes in due to some kind of engine vibration and we had to return back (safely). Apparently some people also spotted an airport on the ground being suspicious of our aircraft and taking pictures of said engine, I guess we were never safe until we re-landed.
@fredsalfa
@fredsalfa Жыл бұрын
The pilot did a brilliant job diagnosing the issue within 10 seconds. But just not within 4-6 secs required to recover the aircraft. I can imagine the first 4 secs were used up in complete terror and shock
@alyessamaddox7022
@alyessamaddox7022 8 ай бұрын
The only way any pilot could have stopped this crash was if they could react to it out of pure, blind instinct. To be dealing with it before their conscious mind had even realised what was happening. That requires an incredible amount of training, and practice, and experience, something no one is going to have in a completely novel situation.
@anthony_horton
@anthony_horton 8 ай бұрын
​@@alyessamaddox7022Yes, and airline pilots are specifically trained *not* to immediately take action when an unusual event occurs, because of the very real risk of making the situation worse if you act before you're sure what is going on. The only way a flight crew could have reacted in time to this is if they'd been specifically trained for exactly this situation, which of course they hadn't been, sadly.
@davegaetano7118
@davegaetano7118 Жыл бұрын
So Boeing was able to get certification for this system simply through modeling. And then actual flight testing was only done after the plane was full of passengers. In what universe does this make any sense at all?
@mikemx55
@mikemx55 Жыл бұрын
And the only reason the modeling worked, was because they had to set the right conditions of low altitude and low speed. Not because "those were the most likely conditions for trust reversers to deploy" but because those were the only conditions it would be ok
@Clint52279
@Clint52279 Жыл бұрын
@@mikemx55 Yeah, they were only modeling at 200 knots. There is a story there too, I'm sure.
@gatograsso
@gatograsso Жыл бұрын
Its an american military company, they get away with everything.
@ioandragulescu6063
@ioandragulescu6063 Жыл бұрын
@@Clint52279 whenever there's big money and a regulatory system you're going to have corruption, just look at big pharma and the ammount of people switching back and forth between being FDA officials and working for a pharma corp, or the banking system and financial regulatory bodies and so on. I wonder if that's also the case with the aero industry.
@TheChudoviste
@TheChudoviste Жыл бұрын
In the U.S.A. greedy,corrupted universe...
@dereksmith1803
@dereksmith1803 2 жыл бұрын
Your "crew" are really knocking it out of the park on their graphics during your videos. Very nicely done and very informative. Keep up the great work.
@marcotravaglini5747
@marcotravaglini5747 2 жыл бұрын
Having been a commercial pilot for 42 years and a senior captain with TRI/TRE rating for a Major airline I deeply understand all the interesting case studies that Mentour Pilot brings to the audience. He really represent the modern pilot mentality. In this accident Niki Lauda has demonstrated to be tougher than when he was racing. In my childhood he was my favourite driver. But one thing that really impress me is the fact (nowadays it should be named THREAT in the TEM philosopy and modern CRM) that tis poor crew had to fly HKG-BKK-VIE on minimum crew of two pilots. This means pushing to the limit (and beyond) the fatigue concept. All of them, and the poor passengers,...RIP
@aprestoargentino5695
@aprestoargentino5695 Жыл бұрын
The CVR of this accident is terrifying. Can't tell how fast that vertical dive went but it must been well over mach 1. You can tell the wind was literally cushing the plane until it broke apart in mid air.
@patrickoberholzer4278
@patrickoberholzer4278 Жыл бұрын
This is terrifying. Both wings and the tail ripped off? Fuel fire? Jeez
@BruceCarbonLakeriver
@BruceCarbonLakeriver Жыл бұрын
600+ KIAS is actually being in heaven. No airline aircraft is designed nor has any headroom in construction left for this ridiculous speed. Most of them have a Vne of 330 to 340 KIAS. (Vne = velocity Never Exceed). Actually it was a bit surprising how long it lasts at those speeds, every second was a godsend or a delay to death in that case...
@steveanderson9290
@steveanderson9290 2 жыл бұрын
The quality of your content these days is growing exponentially, and it was always great to begin with. I have just added you to the very short list of creators I support via Patreon in hopes that your fantastic production team will be well remunerated and stick with you for a very long time. My contribution is a pittance, but if a few thousand more subscribe we can help to ensure this content continues. Well done Petter!
@fillefanta7756
@fillefanta7756 2 жыл бұрын
These episodes are some of the most high quality content I have ever seen. Everything from the way you talk to the way the animations are made are on top of the world! There are movies from hollywood that could not match your quality. keep up the fantastic work and never stop what you are doing.
@joanneshaw3071
@joanneshaw3071 2 жыл бұрын
He and his team are truly amazing. They should have their own show on Netflix! I started watching these videos around 3 weeks ago working my way through every video. I can’t believe how much I’ve learnt from watching these video. I could honestly listen to him talk for hours
@sharoncassell9358
@sharoncassell9358 2 жыл бұрын
One thing leads to another. A perfect storm combination of events to create an accident.
@daftvader4218
@daftvader4218 Жыл бұрын
What !??? Using the wrong airline which has completely different engines!! What is good about that..??? What is "high quality " about that. Lazy and technically incompetent. .......
@philippgabler5835
@philippgabler5835 2 жыл бұрын
For me as an Austrian citizen this is a very interesting video! Nearly everyone here in my country knows about this accident. Lauda Air was a great airline back then! What even I didn't knew was, that the midair brakeup of the aircraft was so horrifying!! Interesting facts to add woud be that this flight was also the worst Austrian air accident, since the aircraft was registert here. And this was the only crash of a 767 that wasn't caused by pilot error or due to a hijacking. Have a great day out there!
@Dowlphin
@Dowlphin 2 жыл бұрын
Which airline/incident was it where runway aquaplaning prevented reverse thrust and caused a disaster? That and this incident are somewhat reminiscent together.
@SusieRed
@SusieRed 2 жыл бұрын
This was by far the most petrifying accident video of yours I've watched so far. Your narration actually takes me there. I can't imagine. Did any of the witnesses hear a sonic boom?
@SGTRandyB
@SGTRandyB 2 жыл бұрын
“I would have probably thought the same.” This is why I watch these videos, to get an inside look into the training reactions of pilots during emergencies.
@nobodymister5435
@nobodymister5435 2 жыл бұрын
I watch them because I'm a nervous flyer. Now I'm totaly calm. Really.
@trekkermueth3074
@trekkermueth3074 2 жыл бұрын
Well, I have always wondered what would happen if a thrust reversal occurred in flight. I did not know that this had actually happened in 1991. I often watch the thrust reversals when they deploy upon landing and see how fast they deploy. Although a complex problem, you provided an excellent description of the mechanism, failure warning history and the event itself that was easily understandable to non-technical viewers. Even though this was long ago, may all of those impacted by this tragedy be at peace.
@flagmichael
@flagmichael 2 жыл бұрын
The same sort of failure occurred in a Fokker 100 on climbout in Brazil in October 1996 - TAM (Transportes Aéreos Regionais) Flight 402. Wikipedia says "All 95 people on board were killed, as well as another 4 on the ground."
@andrewsturrup8751
@andrewsturrup8751 2 жыл бұрын
The c17 is designed to be able to deploy reversers in flight. It allows the pilots to get on the ground quickly in combat zones.
@trekkermueth3074
@trekkermueth3074 2 жыл бұрын
@@flagmichael So it has happened a few times. I am familiar with TAM.
@trekkermueth3074
@trekkermueth3074 2 жыл бұрын
@@andrewsturrup8751 Wow, a drastic strategy for decending quickly, but if there is a procedure for handling it -- amazing!
@msmiami212
@msmiami212 2 жыл бұрын
[SPOILER] To think I was expecting a (hopefully survivable) simple stall when I opened this video. It’s the most evil thing I’ve ever seen, the combination of mechanical and natural forces acting on this plane almost seemed sentient and paranormal. The analogy giant hand turning a corkscrew was utterly chilling. Rest in peace to all aboard, I so hope their families find peace🙏
@MentourPilot
@MentourPilot 2 жыл бұрын
Yeah, I was hesitant to use that analogy actually. It was one of the reasons I put the extra warning on this one.
@msmiami212
@msmiami212 2 жыл бұрын
@@MentourPilot It was really effective! You always address these cases with sensitivity and expertise. Great work!
@michailbelov6703
@michailbelov6703 2 жыл бұрын
Yes, the corkscrew activated by Boeing!!!
@allancouceiro9905
@allancouceiro9905 2 жыл бұрын
evil? Wtf.....
@allancouceiro9905
@allancouceiro9905 2 жыл бұрын
what was "god" doing while he watched this disaster unfold? Nevermind, the engineers who give us flight will study and solve this particular issue. Thanks for nothing, "god".
@gprich82
@gprich82 Жыл бұрын
Lauda was one tough cookie. Never swayed by feelings, only fact. He took Boeing to task, and I idolize his ruthlessly truthful sarcasm. He spoke the hard truths.
@cookie5535
@cookie5535 Жыл бұрын
He tried to save his airline and his income. Lets be honest he had a huge stake in making sure others took blame
@sxnchou
@sxnchou 10 ай бұрын
@@cookie5535boeings fault
@mrkenwu1
@mrkenwu1 2 жыл бұрын
No in-flight thrust reverser deployment of any kind is acceptable. Even back then, FAA and Boeing were already compromising safety.
@muenstercheese
@muenstercheese 2 жыл бұрын
Yup, and now recently the whole 737-MAX MCAS incidents...
@uzlonewolf
@uzlonewolf 2 жыл бұрын
@@muenstercheese And now Boeing is demanding that they be exempt from safety requirements or they're going to cancel the 737 MAX 10.
@mehtasid
@mehtasid 2 жыл бұрын
Absolutely. The reverse thrust must be a system that is triggered manually.
@archgirl7797
@archgirl7797 2 жыл бұрын
This is the first of your videos that honestly scared me. The pilots didn't really do anything wrong. They didn't really have time to do anything different anyway. The decent and crash just looked absolutely terrifying. I hope the passengers and crew lost consciousness before the worst of it. Can you imagine looking out the window and seeing the wings break off and a fireball enveloping the passengers behind you? You'd know you were about to die. I can't imagine anything more terrifying end. Rest in peace to everyone on that flight
@michailbelov6703
@michailbelov6703 2 жыл бұрын
Yes, all these mishaps tend to happen with Boeing!
@ImperialDiecast
@ImperialDiecast 2 жыл бұрын
@@michailbelov6703 air france flight 447 says hi
@michailbelov6703
@michailbelov6703 2 жыл бұрын
@@ImperialDiecast Exceptions confirm the rule! By the way, I have a ticket for September from South America to France, and that will be Airbus!
@petep.2092
@petep.2092 2 жыл бұрын
@Michail Belov The stupidest comments tend to be yours.
@dredeth
@dredeth 2 жыл бұрын
@@michailbelov6703 What on Earth does "exceptions confirm the rule" even mean? Utter nonsense.
@edupsousa
@edupsousa 2 жыл бұрын
A rogue reversor also took the TAM402 flight down right after takeoff back in 1996 here in Brazil.
@MentourPilot
@MentourPilot 2 жыл бұрын
I’ll have a look at that one as well
@juliemanarin4127
@juliemanarin4127 2 жыл бұрын
Oh wow...that is terrible!
@Powerranger-le4up
@Powerranger-le4up 2 жыл бұрын
Not exactly. The safety system worked, but the pilots hadn’t been trained for such an occurrence. When it happened, they thought the auto throttle had malfunctioned and were pushing the power back
@pmfx65
@pmfx65 2 жыл бұрын
@@Powerranger-le4up Not exactly! The pilots got no indication that a trust reverser was deployed and without this information they had no chance to interpret the behavior of the trust system and the whole airplane correctly! Lacking an indicator inform the pilots that a trust reverser is deployed a serious design error!
@pmfx65
@pmfx65 2 жыл бұрын
@@MentourPilot There are more accidents with deployed thrust reversers. A C5 Galaxy crashed in Ramstein on 20.8.1990 shortly after takeoff through an activated thrust reverser on engine 1 A Boeing 737-200 crashed after a go around because of a blocked runway on 11.2.1978 when the thrust reverser of engine 1 did not fully deactivate. I think the 737-200 had the "old" type of reversers, don't know about the C5 ....
@happywithdrawal
@happywithdrawal 2 жыл бұрын
my God the description of the crash sounds absolutely terrifying...having to hear the aircraft literally breaking apart as you're crashing to earth sounds like a living nightmare, not to mention the speed it was going and the fire...can't even imagine the fear these people went through
@sombra1111
@sombra1111 2 жыл бұрын
Something similar happened here in Brazil back in 31 October, 1996 to TAM flight 402. It was a Fokker 100 and a faulty switch in conjunction with a possible short circuit caused the right engine's thrust reverser to deploy. The plane fell only 24 seconds after takeoff, killing all 96 people on board and 3 on the ground
@GearHeadBoris
@GearHeadBoris 2 жыл бұрын
I remember when this accident happened there was a lot of speculation about what happened. Nikki Lauda is such a perfectionist that he did not rest until the answer was found. The loss of this aircraft and people affected him a lot. I don't think he ever got over it.
@moonrust4939
@moonrust4939 2 жыл бұрын
That dive was brutal, again, amazing video graphics, i love how you and your team work so hard to create a crash animation and these amazing graphics!
@charlieflott3300
@charlieflott3300 8 ай бұрын
As someone who has really bad flight anxiety, I have no idea why I love your videos so much. That should go to show how well you make them, and the level of production that goes into it. Cheers to you!
@philipkudrna5643
@philipkudrna5643 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for this video Petter. As an Austrian citizen, I can very well recall this tragic loss of a full Boeing 676 - and the struggle the late owner Niki Lauda had to face, when Boeing (already back then) wanted to blame the incident on bad maintenance of a small airline, before they finally had to admit that it was actually a faulty construction of the thrust reversers…
@NicolaW72
@NicolaW72 2 жыл бұрын
Yes, indeed.
@howardkong8927
@howardkong8927 2 жыл бұрын
So Boeing actually had a history of doing so? Now I'm starting to question whether MU5735 was actually lost due to a suicidal pilot, and whether the CVR data was actually unrecoverable.
@IvanDmitriev1
@IvanDmitriev1 2 жыл бұрын
It was both, Lauda wanted o appear as he hero he wasn't and succeeded. He was a hack in a series of hacks, like Trump. Being a famous racer doesn't make you a good and repsonsible manager.
@philipkudrna5643
@philipkudrna5643 2 жыл бұрын
@@IvanDmitriev1 You can think of Niki Lauda what you want, this accident was definitely not his fault or the fault of his airline. He was world champion as a F1 car racer and recovered from an almost deadly accident and won again. If one thing, he was a Phoenix that resurrected from the ashes twice (after his accident and after this crash). Lauda Air was famous for its Service, but could ultimately not cope with the competition of Austrian and Lufthansa. But he even managed to start a new airline (Niki), which he ultimate sold to RyanAir (due to the demise of AirBerlin). I do not know many people who have started and successfully sold two airlines and have won the F1 championship several times.
@NicolaW72
@NicolaW72 2 жыл бұрын
@@philipkudrna5643 Indeed, exactly.
@annawallace9058
@annawallace9058 2 жыл бұрын
Glad you're back! Hope that you and your team are all well. Another stunning video. I think this is the most terrifying air crash I've encountered, both in terms of the fact that 1) the airline knew about the problem but as per guidelines, they kept the plane in the air, and 2) the experience those poor souls on board must have endured.
@MentourPilot
@MentourPilot 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you for your kind words. Yes, this one was bad.
@annawallace9058
@annawallace9058 2 жыл бұрын
@@Capecodham Oh he just posted something the other day saying that he hadn't posted a video in a while because his team weren't well :)
@christini444
@christini444 2 жыл бұрын
I was a child when this happened, but I remember our neighbour talking about him going on this Trip. He was a University Professor and suffered from a fear of flying. That's all too tragic...I also know someone who lost both parents in this horrible accident. All Austria was shocked and Niki Lauda himself was devastated..May those souls rest in Peace.
@bromoenook356
@bromoenook356 2 ай бұрын
thats fkd😮
@thethirdman225
@thethirdman225 2 жыл бұрын
I flew on this aircraft at least once, probably more. Lauda had two B767-300 ERs, one being the Mozart and the other the Strauss. I flew on both. I flew with them in 1989, so a couple of years before this. I also flew on the B777 aircraft he operated later. Lauda were a fantastic airline; probably the best I've ever flown on.
@Armala-fv2kd
@Armala-fv2kd 2 жыл бұрын
This was very hard to watch, got goosebumps when you started describing the way this aircraft was quickly being destroyed by such massive forces and under such terrible circumstances. I cannot imagine how the people on board must have felt during their last moments... What a horrible accident. Rest in peace to all involved 😔 On another note, thank you Petter for this amazing quality work and for your channel! I am so thankful to have found your content at the right time, you have helped me overcome my newly developed fear of flying and now I am a big aviation enthusiast, even more than I was before I had a traumatic flight experience! I hope you know how much you have helped me and I am sure many others too. Keep up the amazing work! Greetings from Germany!
@berkkp8020
@berkkp8020 2 жыл бұрын
Your detailed description of the crash/breakup sequence actually gave me chills. Horrible to think about the last moments of this flight, trying to fight for control just to witness your aircraft disassemble itself. Never the less this is an incredibly interesting story and very well produced.
@Stungunwol
@Stungunwol 2 жыл бұрын
This is not "disassembly". That implies clean and orderly separation of components without damaging them, like field stripping a rifle. This is inertial forces savagely tearing the jet to pieces. This is the laws of physics sneering at the pilots' attempts to save lives and saying, "No. I refuse. Scream for me. And weep in despair." This is everything going wrong in a truly inevitable tragedy. The only way to stop this would have been to ground that plane that day before this had a chance to happen.
@paulmadruga9786
@paulmadruga9786 2 жыл бұрын
This has to be the most horrific air crash I have seen, more so because the pilots had no options. They died as heroes trying to save their aircraft!! Your explanation is so well done! Thank You.
@scottjuhnke6825
@scottjuhnke6825 10 ай бұрын
Lauda is the real hero here. Without him, the cause of the crash would never have been revealed.
@TracyA123
@TracyA123 2 жыл бұрын
Could anyone else feel the terror when he was describing the breakup of the plane? I was terrified just listening to it. From boring routine to absolute horror in 26 seconds! Those poor pilots, the cabin crew and the passengers never had a chance. Incredibly sad subject matter, incredibly well done!👍
@timothysmith5769
@timothysmith5769 2 жыл бұрын
Lost both my grandparents in TWA's Flight 128 (controlled flight into terrain due to pilot error) in what would be at that time, America's worst air disaster. Since that event, private aviation became a big part of our family's lifestyle. Yours is an excellent channel. Keep up the good work!
@andrewwiltshire2689
@andrewwiltshire2689 2 жыл бұрын
This actually happened to me I was a passenger in a flight from LAX to Minneapolis. The thrust reverser activated shortly after takeoff and we had a hairy few seconds before the pilot managed to shut down the engine we turned back for a heavy landing with all the emergency equipment rolled out at LAX. A pilot friend of mine told me we were very lucky to get away with that.
@davidpowell3347
@davidpowell3347 2 жыл бұрын
Was this in a plane with the engines mounted on the rear of the fuselage and narrow bore engines? (Like a DC 9 or 727)
@cme98
@cme98 2 жыл бұрын
@@davidpowell3347 no. 2 engines one each wing. I REPEAT THE 767 IS A TWO ENGINE ASSEMBLY. sorry for shouting but some people here tend to think a 2 means 4.
@MyNotSoHumbleOpinion
@MyNotSoHumbleOpinion 2 жыл бұрын
@@cme98 so the other engine on the wing helped to counterbalance the effect! Very lucky to be in a 4 engines airplane!
@blazeclarke
@blazeclarke 2 жыл бұрын
You possibly survived because of this crash and the following investigations.
@davidpowell3347
@davidpowell3347 2 жыл бұрын
@@MyNotSoHumbleOpinion possible inboard engine would be easier to handle than the outboard one?
@hurithinkbefore1340
@hurithinkbefore1340 Жыл бұрын
I was in the brand new Mozart 1990. I felt so safe. Best service ever. From Sydney to Vienna. Nicki Lauda took off himself. I was shocked, when I heard of the crash.
@grantchallinor5263
@grantchallinor5263 2 жыл бұрын
I remember Niki Lauda personally got involved in the investigation and it became clear that Boeing was trying to cover-up the real cause of the accident. It took Niki Lauda, a qualified pilot, and a man famous for his no-nonsense relentless determination, to directly take-on the Boeing company, to prove what happened, and to force the truth out of Boeing. Sadly, 30 years after this accident not much seems to have changed at Boeing.
@tisme1105
@tisme1105 2 жыл бұрын
I really think this specific point needs to be highlighted. Without Mr Lauda's efforts more crashes may have occurred that never did.
@deathstrike
@deathstrike 2 жыл бұрын
I know this is probably sexist and whatever..But Niki Lauda was a GOD among men!!! A professional Formula One Champion, a gentleman driver with nothing bad to say about his rivals. A man that nearly had his face burned off among other things and didn't give up!! Became a pilot, and an airline owner and damn did he care about his passengers AND his employees!! Defied Boeing to give those passengers and crew and their families closure and a safer airline industry. If that doesn't make Niki an inspiration I don't know what would?
@grantchallinor5263
@grantchallinor5263 2 жыл бұрын
@@deathstrike Totally agree! He raced just 40 or so days after the crash that nearly killed him (and which would have killed a lesser person) and his fire-proof balaclava (under his helmet) became soaked in blood from his wounds seeping from his earlier accident - yet (from memory) he still finished 4th in his comeback race.
@User0000000000000004
@User0000000000000004 2 жыл бұрын
@@deathstrike Why would anybody think what you said is sexist? He WAS as man, right? There's nothing wrong with things that are true, stop apologizing for saying things that are true. Be proud of who you are, be it a man or woman, and don't let other people make you feel like you're less than them. Unless you're trying to lift heavy objects, because then you're more than a woman. They can't match our strength.
@maximaldinotrap
@maximaldinotrap 2 жыл бұрын
@@deathstrike I am confused to hell why anyone would think that is sexist
@flywithisa
@flywithisa 2 жыл бұрын
these videos are so interesting and a very good way for people (especially pilots) to learn such accidents. Keep up the amazing production Petter!
@sorover111
@sorover111 2 жыл бұрын
Not only that but there is a lot of great production work put into these .. I'm a little jealous because aviation accident investigation has been my personal obsession for as long as I can remember.. he does the best job of anyone I've seen on youtube .. probably owing to the fact that he also flies.
@palimpalim5291
@palimpalim5291 2 жыл бұрын
And a very good way to fuel your aviophobia
@prjndigo
@prjndigo 2 жыл бұрын
It is important to point out that the "reversers" on this aircraft are NOT thrust reversers. On the older 2-shell clap thingies you could actually deploy them and spin the engines up and draw yourself backward across the tarmac/staging slabs. The flow diverters on this plane are designed to create an impeding drogue made of air around the engine pushing a LARGE mass of air forward to almost all sides creating a large much lower than atmosphere pressure area behind the engine. When used in pairs they "suck" the plane slower and for the most part don't really produce thrust aimed to push the plane backwards. At 530mph they're gonna produce upwards of 3x the engine's active thrust setting in a much much higher pressure differential. The resulting effect in air is as if an almost indestructible parachute 25 feet in diameter suddenly snatched open attached to the engine pylon. As to "do everything exactly right within 4 to 6 seconds" I'd like to add that the engine spool down is too slow and likely even firing the direct engine extinguishing equipment still would have not interrupted the portrayed event. The moment the diverters engaged the event was unstoppable even had they forced slat deployment and killed both engines as the diverters engaged. The landing diverters on the engines are simply the most dangerous system on aircraft at this time. They're exceptionally useful and effective on landing but will always be a ticking time-bomb in flight. There is absolutely no reason why we cannot start installing multiple data and voice recorders on aircraft. There is absolutely no reason why we cannot transmit data and voice records FROM the aircraft live by network.
@theshermantanker7043
@theshermantanker7043 2 жыл бұрын
That's interesting, I never knew the way reversers worked were this different, let alone that the design quirks meant that it was more sensitive the faster the aircraft travelled
@mobilemarshall
@mobilemarshall 2 жыл бұрын
Sadly the only really important thing in this world is money. We could do so much better but companies would have to pay for that, better to make things that are just workable and then call it done.
@DanniV8
@DanniV8 2 жыл бұрын
@Prjndigo thank you for this informative comment. I had a thought when I was reading it. It might be a stupid question, but I'm gonna ask it anyways. If the right hand thrust diverter had been deployed immediately after they realized the left one had deployed, would that have given them enough time to spool down the engines and get this situation into a manageable situation?
@seriouscat2231
@seriouscat2231 2 жыл бұрын
@@DanniV8, I believe there's no possible way to do that intentionally. The best they could have done would have been to pray that the other one also malfunction immediately.
@DanniV8
@DanniV8 2 жыл бұрын
@@seriouscat2231 Yeah I know it's impossible, just wondering if it would fix the situation if it was possible.
@westyavro
@westyavro 2 жыл бұрын
Niki is an incredibly wonderful human. He never got over this but I am glad he push Boeing to try to be as honest as he was in communicating the issues at hand and to the public.
@hughmungus1767
@hughmungus1767 2 жыл бұрын
The very first flight I ever took happened in 1983 in a Lockheed L1011. We were flying from Toronto to London with a short stop in Montreal to pick up additional passengers. Our brief stop in Montreal very soon became a lengthy stop of 4 hours or so. I remember the captain announcing that he himself had been out on the tarmac himself, manually cranking in the thrust reversers back in. He didn't explain what thrust reversers were or why they had to be cranked in (or why it took so long to crank them in) but I just trusted to his expertise and the rest of the flight was without incident. It is only now, nearly 40 years later, that I have any idea what a thrust reverser is and does. I finally see why the thrust reversers were so critical! The 4 hour delay was tedious at the time but things could clearly have been *much* worse if he hadn't paid attention to the thrust reversers.
@Shauryaaya
@Shauryaaya 2 жыл бұрын
this sounds like a really really scary situation to be in, I really hope that this never happens again
@gcorriveau6864
@gcorriveau6864 2 жыл бұрын
I remember this incredibly sad event....It is a very sad day to all aviation professionals when our passengers get injured ... or worse. "Back-in-the-day," when I had a guest in the flight deck during cruise, he asked, "Don't you ever get bored?" as he observed our relatively low workload. I thought, briefly, of the hundreds of critical things going on around us (near-supersonic air ripping by just inches from our heads; flying in the upper edges of an atmosphere where low pressures and temperatures are lethal; our dependence upon thousands of critical components; thousands of kilos of flammable liquids surging from tanks to engines and burning at incredibly hot temperatures; engines spinning at speeds and tolerances too critical to want to dwell on; the weather and navigation situations we always deal with.... etc.). I turned to him and just said, "Trust me - boring is GOOD! You wouldn't like 'exciting.' Nuff said.
@EinfachLuap
@EinfachLuap Жыл бұрын
I worked for austrian as a flight attendant for a brief period. During that time i met the pilot that traded this trip away to his colleague and friend. It was crazy hearing him talk about how all this unfolded, while he could've very well been the one that was on the flight deck when all this happened.
@thesisypheanjournal1271
@thesisypheanjournal1271 2 жыл бұрын
That is the single most terrifying scenario I've ever seen happen. My heart bleeds for the crew and passengers, but especially for the crew as they tried to manage an unmanageable situation.
@danozism
@danozism 2 жыл бұрын
I have a real soft spot for the 767 - a great plane, I used to fly them often.
@MentourPilot
@MentourPilot 2 жыл бұрын
They are!
@juliemanarin4127
@juliemanarin4127 2 жыл бұрын
I flew in one...I just love the bug ones!
@davidjma7226
@davidjma7226 2 жыл бұрын
Yeah, spent half my life on the 767 when I lived and worked in NZ and Australia.
@lewisd56
@lewisd56 2 жыл бұрын
Any purely hydraulic system has the potential to fail. As you explain, the DCV relies on the hydraulic pressure to move the reverser one way or another, so if the system looses pressure, then there is nothing holding the reverser in place and airflow could move it, and of course, if the system fails like in this accident, the reverser can also deploy. For a system that could cause significant aerodynamic upset if it fails, surely a physical in-flight electrically operated lock to prevent deployment would be a good additional fail safe, have said locks hold hold the reverser in place with a spring ensuring that unless they are commanded to (i.e the servos receive an electrical current), cannot release. Even a temporary electrical fault, such as a short, shouldn't provide current long enough to cause the locks to release.
@scott3107
@scott3107 2 жыл бұрын
You know your stuff you!
@owlman145
@owlman145 2 жыл бұрын
Yes, but you can see how you have to be careful too, add to many systems to "prevent" it from opening in flight, as you increase the chances that a failure causes the trust reverses to NOT open when needed on landing.
@MoritzvonSchweinitz
@MoritzvonSchweinitz 2 жыл бұрын
I would've thought maybe a real direct mechanical interlock between the gear struts and all the stuff that may never be deployed in-flight.
@chitlitlah
@chitlitlah 2 жыл бұрын
@@owlman145 These videos seem to suggest that the reverse thrusters are only critical if the runway has no traction, namely if it's icy. Otherwise, they just reduce brake heating which reduced wear and reduces the time between flights that they need to cool off. It would certainly be critical that they function if you need to land on an icy runway, but since that's kind of rare, I'd think making sure they don't open unexpectedly has priority.
@TheDiner50
@TheDiner50 2 жыл бұрын
Find the hydraulic schematic to be very strange. It looks like there is nothing to stop a pressure drop at DCV for the reverses to deploy from the hole dam reverses being free to move out into deployed state. Even now that is very likely since the reverses are going to be pushed from the airflow alone into the deployed state if nothing stops it. If a leak happens at or after DCV what stops the fluids from not working there way out of the piston being pushed by airdrag? Like no load holding safety valve to stop the reverse pistons from moving due to a leak in the system? Nothing? Like it really looks like adding one hydraulic valve on the stow side (piston in) hydraulic line had stopped this from happening. It is not shown in the schematic but there sure is 2 hydraulic lines going from DCV to the piston. Since the hydraulic piston trying to do anything had been blocked by this extra safety valve being closed nothing had happened even if a leak or a fault made the reversers extend. Since as long as the fluid trapped in the piston and the extra valve stays where it should be nothing is going anywhere! The reverses are hydraulically locked even if the piston is being forced to move out. It is such a basic part of load holding stuff in hydraulics that is seems like such a important part of a aircraft hydraulic system. But then if one of this fails you got the problem that when activating the reverses you can get a asymmetrical braking when landing due to one of the engines now extra valve did not open.... Really there is no way to make the reversers fail safe. But I really can not see how they accepted this DCV nonsense being good enough. I rather trust that the most simple and most basic of valves work as they should (basically just ON or OFF) then some valve that is designed to allow multi directional flow AND hold a load... You just do not do that. You give that responsibility to the humble ON and OFF valve dedicated to make sure it keeps holding the load! Even if you have to trust 2 or more to open and close together at the same time it is just necessary. You have to trust so many things to work right that adding what basically stops the hydraulic system to lose control to extend such a big danger to the aircraft is just common sense. Only time the reversers are meant to be used is when on the ground. So only time the asymmetrical reversers had deployed is on the ground with this extra valves added that might end up causing it to happen true. But the way this system was deemed fail safe made it really allot more likely for a in flight deployment just to avoid it being a problem when on the ground? This is why you it is insane to be inside of a tin foil thing up high in the air going really fast and always coming down one way or a other. I rather be on the ground and have reversers act up. Thank you very much. You make sure what is fail safe truly is safe. Then if it fails or not your still safe. Really this extra valves needs to stay open in flight to make it possible to get a in air reversers to deploy. That DCV alone was not failsafe.
@rji5377
@rji5377 Жыл бұрын
The Saddest part of this is the looting... I mean damn 100 People lose their lives and you're looting the crash site? So messed up
@danielebrparish4271
@danielebrparish4271 Жыл бұрын
Imagine all the body parts at the site that they had to go through. They were probably collecting jewelry from fingers and hands they found and wallets from the remains of smashed torsos.
@DanHaiduc
@DanHaiduc Жыл бұрын
I suspect foul play. Maybe some secret agencies. Some unsafe cybersecurity techniques are to hoard software vulnerabilities in private, rather than publish them to be fixed. Maybe the same has been going on at Boeing; this would be consistent with their denial that the reversers are unsafe. These vulnerabilities could be used against adversaries later.
@TheKatangeseDollar
@TheKatangeseDollar Жыл бұрын
Sadly it’s the case in most developing countries. Some people have no shame about looting accident sites and graves.
@madeinengland1212
@madeinengland1212 Жыл бұрын
@@TheKatangeseDollarhe consciousness of the people in the countryside is at a medieval European level. The valves were just bits of copper. Surprised the authorities didn’t announce an immediate amnesty and small reward payment. But of course no-one would have trusted the authorities to follow through.
@MrStringybark
@MrStringybark Жыл бұрын
@@TheKatangeseDollar Thailand seems to have been described as a developing country since the 1950s. It's time to drop that "developing country" description and just say this is as good as it ever will get and move on.
@howradisit
@howradisit 2 жыл бұрын
A significant part of me is always annoyed or even angry that it takes the deaths of a lot of people to challenge assumptions that should be basic understanding. Such as, certification of a system should not be done only during "ideal" conditions and should be tested under different scenarios. Especially when the scenarios are common. All they had to do was test the deployment during the different phases of flight. It's not like some freak accident made the thrust reversers deploy, it happened during normal engine operation.
@CobisTaba
@CobisTaba 2 жыл бұрын
The testing was not intended as ideal situation. They actually thought the low speed situation was worse, as loosing speed would be worse. Their assumption was wrong, but not intentionally testing the ideal situation. Actually, they tested a situation they assumed being worse.
@peterchen8868
@peterchen8868 2 жыл бұрын
In this world, a perfectly safe airplane, with all possible 20-20 hindsight, only stays on the ground.
@jeromethiel4323
@jeromethiel4323 2 жыл бұрын
As an engineer who works on industrial systems that can kill or maim you, i have learned you never trust an interlock, especially an electrical one. That system was only protected by electrical interlocks, so a simple electrical failure was the root cause of this accident, most likely. But without data, we will never know. But i have seen too many instances, some fatal, that were caused by a person only being protected by an electrical interlock that failed or was otherwise compromised. Sadly, over half were operator errors, but it still meant that the interlock they were relying on to save them could not work or did not work, and they paid with their lives. Long story short, never trust an interlock to save your life.
@NicolaW72
@NicolaW72 2 жыл бұрын
@@jeromethiel4323 Indeed, exactly.
@marcmcreynolds2827
@marcmcreynolds2827 2 жыл бұрын
@@CobisTaba I note the similarities between certification testing related to this accident and to inadvertent slat retraction on the DC-10. In the latter case, all slats retracting on one wing was flight tested and found to be safe... in cruise flight, which was assumed to be the "worst case". But for American 191 shortly after takeoff, even some of the slats retracting led to disaster. And just as for here, if the pilots had known what to do and done it quickly, a crash could have been avoided.
@matt3rd647
@matt3rd647 2 жыл бұрын
What a terrifying accident. Stuff of nightmares. RIP to all on board.
@MentourPilot
@MentourPilot 2 жыл бұрын
Yes, this one was terrible
@neglectfulsausage7689
@neglectfulsausage7689 2 жыл бұрын
I dunno. its the kind of ride you only get to experience once in a lifetime.
@veenarasika1778
@veenarasika1778 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you for a technical description that people not involved in aviation, can appreciate. The graphics of the disintegrating aircraft are of very high quality but bone chilling. I know it has been many years since this tragic accident, but RIP all the victims.
@syd5380
@syd5380 2 жыл бұрын
I’m not familiar with a _ton_ of aviation accidents but this is potentially one of the most terrifying ones I’ve ever heard of
@rainnjr8798
@rainnjr8798 Жыл бұрын
Helios Airways Flight 522 is something I find the most chilling, especially since the fighter jets saw cabin crew member try to fly the airplane at the end.
@MissSharpMouth
@MissSharpMouth Жыл бұрын
In the Helios accident passengers went quietly and deeply unconscious pretty quickly...in Lauda 004 passengers experienced a hell lot of horror
@ax.f-1256
@ax.f-1256 2 жыл бұрын
Unfortunately what is often overlooked: Lauda Air did also do several things that were to say the least 'not aviation' standard. 61 error messages about the thrust reverser on the engine in the weeks before the crash. Some faults messages have even appeared the year before the crash. At some time it had gotten so worse that the Lauda technicians just erased the fault messages on a constant basis and didn't bother to enter them in the Log anymore when they appeared. Some fault messages were just erased eventhough the were a clear violation of the MEL for the 767. But the Lauda Air technicians did it regardless. Just weeks before the accident it was noted that the reverse thrust would not return to the fully stowed position after it was used during landing. Despite all of this Boeing was not informed what was going on with jet OE-LAV. And the most perplexing thing during all of this: The whole time there were Boeing technicians based at Vienna, but Lauda Air didn't request their help. Not even once. To quote Nikki Lauda himself: 'It is good that there is a Boeing Employee in Vianna, we're all glad about it, but I'm not required to go to him, since i got my own maintainence department and my own Boeing Manual to fix problems' That puts the crash in a slightly different perspective. Yes it was definitely Boeing's or Pratt&Whitneys fault to design the aircraft and engine in such a way. And Nikki Lauda did an outstanding Job after the accident happend to find out his pilots were not at fault and the deployment of the reverse thrust at a high airspeed would inevitably lead to a crash. But his company could have and should have done more before the accident happend. They should have at least informed Boeing about those constant fault messages and that nothing they tried would fix the problems and not just erase the fault messages on a regular basis. If i can't find the fault myself for weeks then it's time to call the the manufacturer of the product.
@turricanedtc3764
@turricanedtc3764 2 жыл бұрын
Do you have any examples of Lauda Air dispatching OE-LAV with faults contrary to the MEL?
@charleshammer2928
@charleshammer2928 2 жыл бұрын
An engine with a recurrent problem that could not be corrected by Lauda Air technicians over the course of 1 year, should have been taken out of service and replaced, regardless of the cost.
@MikkoRantalainen
@MikkoRantalainen 2 жыл бұрын
@@charleshammer2928 I agree that they should have grounded that plane but they were following Boeing instructions. When a repair was attempted that resolved the issue even for a short time, the 500 hour timer would be reset. I totally disagree with the timer reset - if the fault affects the same system time after time, it's clearly faulty and timer reset must not be done. This problem was caused by Boeing on so many levels, including all the effort to dodge the blame after the accident which required Lauda himself to be really persistant with the investigation.
@turricanedtc3764
@turricanedtc3764 2 жыл бұрын
@@MikkoRantalainen - One assumption Charles Hammer is making there is that the recurrent problem was within the engine and reverser mechanism itself - the truth of the matter is that from a maintenance/engineering perspective the problem could also have been within the warning system electronics and/or the wiring loom (and the video shows just how tightly-packed and complex those wiring looms are). As I'm sure you'll appreciate, with the benefit of 20/20 hindsight, there's a large discrepancy in potential safety-criticality between an issue with the warning system versus an issue within the engine/reverser systems themselves. I've seen a few comments on here that chastise Lauda Air (and to some extent Niki himself) for relying on their own engineering people (working, as you say, from the Boeing manuals and operating guidelines) rather than taking advantage of Boeing's own engineers situated in Vienna. The truth of the matter is that if (as is most likely) the source of the problem was the wiring loom, there was no unique knowledge or technology that the Boeing engineers had over and above Lauda Air's own staff that might have solved the problem any sooner. The book (as written by both Boeing and the FAA) stated - for better or worse - that a temporary fix would reset the timer in terms of dispatch safety, and every airline operating the B767 abided by that book.
@drmickler1
@drmickler1 2 жыл бұрын
One Just needs to read the much more differentiated Analysis of Tim van Beveren about this crash
@chrisanderson7328
@chrisanderson7328 2 жыл бұрын
Have started watching your videos and as a nervous flyer I feel understanding planes and the unbelievable safety that goes into every flight has actually calmed me. You have a natural way of describing things very easily. Your knowledge, compassion, the way you explain things and your tone is extremely good. You have became my favourite KZbinr. Keep up the excellent work. I would happily fly on a plane you pilot!! 👌👍
@helmuthj.zotter7272
@helmuthj.zotter7272 2 жыл бұрын
When he was seated in the cockpit of his aircraft, he noticed a ground vehicle still had the windshield wipers on when the rain stopped. He stepped off the aircraft and turned the wiper off. When asked why he did that, he answered in his typical dry way " It hurts me when I see a mechanical thing getting damaged".
@ultimachamada1
@ultimachamada1 2 жыл бұрын
I didn't knew about this story! This is the most beautiful example of the latest findings of the neuroscience: for their brains, high-level professionals consider their "gear" an extension of their bodies. The example that doc who founded this used to illustrate that was, if we closed our eyes and was asked to point our fingers were the middle point at our arms are, we will do it easily at our elbow region. If you do the same with Federer, he will point at the region not only considering his arm but where is the middle of his arm plus the raket.
@frankfarago2825
@frankfarago2825 2 жыл бұрын
Who?
@frankfarago2825
@frankfarago2825 2 жыл бұрын
@@ultimachamada1 What?
@palimpalim5291
@palimpalim5291 2 жыл бұрын
@@frankfarago2825 Lauda.
@peterh4381
@peterh4381 2 жыл бұрын
Yes. I believe it's known as "mechanical sympathy". I have it, and cringe at my friends who don't display it.
@tiredofallthis7716
@tiredofallthis7716 6 ай бұрын
Peter really does make excellent videos. They are technical yet understandable, detailed, no filler, compassionate, educational, and somehow still manages to tell a good story. Very impressive.
@22vx
@22vx 2 жыл бұрын
Informative and fascinating as always 👌 Thank you Mentour Pilot for continuing to share 👍
@ΕΥΑΓΓΕΛΟΣΣΚΛΗΒΑΣ
@ΕΥΑΓΓΕΛΟΣΣΚΛΗΒΑΣ 2 жыл бұрын
Hello from Greece! i know nothing about aviation but i enjoy your videos as an mechanical engineer. Most of all i want to thank you for the way you tell us the story without offending the pilots that made mistakes in some stories, but trying to understand the workload they 've been. Thanks for helping me trying to be a better teamate at my job. Please keep your high quality as professional and as human!
@cupofjoen
@cupofjoen 2 жыл бұрын
I've been waiting for new videos from you and I hope your editors are doing well. Thanks for putting this on the playlist so keen subscribers like us can have an early watch.
@davidoberg203
@davidoberg203 7 ай бұрын
I watched 2 versions of this accident - the Mentour Pilot version is by far the most well explained.
@thetowndrunk988
@thetowndrunk988 2 жыл бұрын
Absolutely outstanding, Petter. This had to have been one of the most terrifying moments for a pilot ever.
@utlaw72
@utlaw72 2 жыл бұрын
Petter, you are an awesome story teller. You make technical matters not only understandable to a lay audience, but fascinating. I love how you organize and lay out the events. And, of course, your graphic depictions are incredible. Keep it up!
@rodcoulter997
@rodcoulter997 2 жыл бұрын
I’m right there on the Flight-deck….This would been very startling and difficult to figure out in flight. QRH sure didn’t help. I’ve read that section in the QRH many times….just “shut it down” if it full deploys Great video and system schematics and explanations….I flew the 757/767-200-300-400 for over 20 years…. They just didn’t know this malfunction could be so serious….I didn’t. This is really good.
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