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NOTE: The 'Sweden' code now expires on December 21. This video was supposed to be released sooner but was pushed due to unforeseen circumstances - Jack

[@somedude0921]

:D

[@southwestsaxon]

Thank you for calling out the Nazis forcing their ways into swedish and European politics 🤗

[@HH-mz1cf]

Have some swede been speking with you 🤔

[@voljimba2181]

The clap in the intro bit song/sound literally blew my eardrums get that gage down wtf

[@AwoudeX]

to answer your question 'how', i'll give you one of the shortest answers possible: the leftist elites are going nuts and against the interest of a rather large portion of the population (not only happening in Sweden)

[@isthiakahsan]

I am from a Muslim country and lived in Sweden for a while. I think Sweden has the right to save its culture and heritage, even if it comes at a cost. The time for liberal experimentation is over. Now it's time to be practical. Not all migrants are bad and useless. However, in general, there is a problem with uncontrolled immigration.

[@antonberglund117]

Och här har vi en Sveriges vettiga invandrare som bara vill leva ett vanligt fridfullt liv👍👍👍

[@grassystars]

@@antonberglund117 I too wish to migrate to Sweden to pursue research. I have lived in a society with a significant Islamic population. It breaks my heart to see the Liberal, Secular West buddying up with Islam. Read the Quran! It is NOT normal to dress women up like bags to prevent lust! It is NOT normal to think that Kaffirs should be killed and that their inevitable fate is hellfire! Islam is an abnormality and emerged from a warring, sandy peninsula! Is it normal that in heaven, a man will get 72 maidens but a woman gets nothing? Is it normal that women are literally described as being lesser? I am deeply sorry for the passionate rant. It's just that I have seen the suffering firsthand and no one in the West should tolerate it. Europe has long been a beacon of freedom and human rights, and that light must be protected.

[@KonungrKaapro]

That exactly the point the swedish democrats are talking about. It's not about all immigrants it's about taking care of the ones that want to be apart of sociaty while throwing out the islamists (radicals) that are commiting crimes and don't want to be apart of society. Uncontrolled immigration has led to the major crime increase due to the fact that the uncontrolled immigration has made a free space for criminals and the people who dont want to be apart of sociaty to freely walk around and ruining for everyone else.

[@hampusjansson1729]

I hate Islam/Muslim

[@JessicaJohnson-vp9mt]

@@antonberglund117det är inte alla invandrare som vill respektera Sverige o anpassa sig! Vi ska bevara de som är vårat

[@noelebrun852]

Small detail: I’m living in Sweden, and I have never been in a full lockdown, unlike what you mentioned. The further it went was closing bars & restaurants at 8:30pm, but they have never been fully closed.

[@stagnantfox3027]

Same here in skåne. No lockdowns, not even schools. Masks were never mandatory except in the doctors offices. But now after november september they became not mandatory at all

[@blackbeard4553]

And the society did not collapse? Were the hospitals not overwhelmed? You Swedes are probably just tougher than the rest of Europe :) I have no other explanation... Also, please keep it a secret, the rest of Europe does not know this is also a solution ;)

[@zotac1018]

@@blackbeard4553 Norway Sweden and Switzerland have huge over capacity of ICUs and have extremely high GDP even by Western European standards. .... So it was manageable. But that said some countries have over reacted way to much ...... That's pure incompetence .

[@p12anjacobmlgnoscoper86]

@@blackbeard4553 Lockdown doesen't seem to solve the Covid crisis, it just temporary stopped the spread.

[@gungan5822]

@@p12anjacobmlgnoscoper86 People have conveniently forgotten that lockdown were never meant to save lives, they were meant to spread the total infections over a larger time frame so people died in smaller numbers over a longer period of time instead of all at once. I can only assume this was to keep people in fear longer than a quick event would. I see no other measurable way in which lockdowns "helped".

[@rogink]

"The French have their own name for the 'cordon sanitaire'" made me chuckle :)

[@israellai]

NOT FRENCH ENOUGH

[@backintimealwyn5736]

we also use that word, but it actualy rather refers to actual medical situations and pandemics. It would sound weird applied to a political party , if they don't have ebola.

[@matthewshatto6787]

@@backintimealwyn5736 thanks! I have been learning french for 7 years but these bits of nuance are difficult to learn from textbooks.

[@MarcusCactus]

Originally meant to designate medical (sanitary) situations, it came to be used derogatively by mainstream politicians to compare the far right to some sort of disease: "I refuse to touch that!" Nowadays I gather that the political sense comes to mind before the medical one to many french-speakers. In French-speaking Belgium, it also encompasses the refuse by the press to interview or invite members of these parties. We do not have the legal or constitutional obligations that France has.

[@kevinjouet3171]

In France we dont really use much the "cordon sanitaire" term. The political class use the term "barrage à la haine" wich is as stupid as the cordon sanitaire

[@insomniacresurrected1000]

Criticism of mass immigration is a legitimate discourse and should be in a democracy.

[@oscarosullivan4513]

Not if dog whistles around migrants and asylum seekers

[@freetime5803]

@@oscarosullivan4513 Say you dont want people being critical of something without saying you dont want people being critical of something

[@oscarosullivan4513]

Same repeated argument

[@cedricdavis858]

Hello I got in touch with you about something very important and urgent that I want to discuss with you.

[@oscarosullivan4513]

@@cedricdavis858 What is it

[@captainfatfoot2176]

People wouldn’t have to turn to such radical far right parties if the established parties would actually handle the migrant crisis properly. I’m honestly not sure how to feel about all this.

[@robertmifkovic6325]

Exactly, extremist get to power only when democracy fails.

[@captainfatfoot2176]

@@robertmifkovic6325 that’s a good way to put it.

[@peterpengproductions920]

They are not extreme in any sense. Their most controversial view is probably zero immigration, and if that is radical to you, your scales are way off.

[@Saiputera]

@@robertmifkovic6325 extremist get into power when the mainstream party only care about refug from other nation then their own population.

[@ggeronimo4412]

Yea which is why I think European countries in future will be more rightist than lefist

[@mowana1232]

It's the same issue in many European countries. Centre right parties ignored people's concerns with mass immigration for too long, and as a result of that parties at the right fringe were often the only choice left if you wanted to vote for more restrictive immigration policies. That gave these parties 10-15% of the vote without doing much. I am old enough to remember that restrictive immigration and euro-scepticism were a mainstay of centre right parties not so long ago, but quite a few changed their tune and moved further to the left. Then far-right parties emerged to fill the vacuum. No surprise there. What I find especially hypocritical is when centre right parties now try to label these relatively new parties as racist or nazi for political opinions they themselves had in their programs 20-30 years ago.

[@Teutathis]

In Sweden, the Moderate party were a very heavy driving force behind the mass migration that took place under Reinfeldt. Essentially, the right wing saw mass migration as a way to crush the swedish social safety nets and drive down labour costs where the left saw an increased amount of voters. Traditionally in Sweden the center-left have been a strong opponent to heavy migration as they viewed cultural clashes in society as an issue (pre-Palme). While you are correct in saying that the refusal to acknowledge the problems related to large amount of migration that the country has suffered from the established parties you'd be surprised to know that most of the voters for the Sweden democrats come from the Socialdemocrats a center-left party rather than the right side of the spectrum and that the closest you come to the Sweden democrats in terms of political ideology is the old "Folkhemmet" or the people's home that was for a long time the centerpeice of Social democrat ideology. In a way it's a way of looking back to the times when Sweden was "great" and topped the lists for security, financial sustainability, PISA scores and health care whom many, rightfully in my opinion, blame the degradation of on the migrants putting undue strain on the finances of the country. People have grown tired of neo-liberalism essentially.

[@mowana1232]

@@Teutathis That’s very interesting to know. Thank you for explaining the background in Sweden. I am from Germany and here restrictive immigration was more the CDU’s policy, at least pre-Merkel. However, the CDU was also in power when the first guest workers were hired for cheap labour. They put anti-immigration on their election posters but in reality did the opposite. There were also always cautious voices in the Social Democratic Party, mostly politicians who were in positions directly dealing with grass roots problems, such as city district mayors. They got ostracised by their own party. Shame when top level ideology is more important than dealing with real life issues.

[@TheChill001]

@@mowana1232 the problem with germany is that they just wouldn't dare to say anything that goes against the grain of the image it's been building up after WWII. In reality though, that hesitation to do what's economically and culturally correct against what WAS considered morally right has lead not just to major instability in germany, but europe as a whole. Merkel by default is indirectly responsible for brexit and the growing anti-euro sentiment with her "wir schaffen das" policy.

[@cedricdavis858]

Hello I got in touch with you about something very important and urgent that I want to discuss with you.

[@bubbisvali]

That's just because moderate conservatives are just defending the status quo instead of "conserving" anything. It's like how it was hard to find any conservative who supported gay marriage not so long ago but now all the parties are for it.

[@atlasfrog5730]

Wow the Swedish are quite creative with party names aren't they? "Left Party" "Centre Party" "Liberal Party" "Moderate Party"

[@cedricdavis858]

Hej jag tog kontakt med dig om något mycket viktigt och brådskande som jag vill diskutera med dig.

[@SIZModig]

Yeah most parties that are 70 years old or so have pretty lame names. Sweden isn't special, we just have more parties than some other countries. I am pretty sure that parties that use wildly creative names tend not to get voted on because (stupid) people are too lazy to read up on politics so they just go by the name

[@Nekotaku_TV]

Yes very typical Swedish.

[@captainawasome8985]

And it's only the flavour vanilla - very little difference between the parties.

[@Shantari]

At least they're more descriptive than the American names. (Though we did have two parties in the 18th century known as the "caps" and the "hats". Which is why we have a war known as "The War of The Hats against Russia".) We also have some minor parties named such delightful things as "The Word of Life"-party (anti-abortion single issue) and we were the first country with a Pirate Party, even if it kind of disappeared from relevance as its attempts to diversify policies failed.

[@olegperkopskiy2282]

I’m seeing an EU wide trend of parties from across the political spectrum hardening their stance on immigration, especially if it’s illegal. I’m a centre left voter but will say the EU can’t support mass immigration at the moment where we need to sort the EU our first and recover from the pandemic

[@sylviamontaez3889]

true. the refugee crisis could have been handled better. more shouldve been done to integrate refugees within society.[

[@peterpalmato467]

I could care less about immigration. Tax the wealthy, fund social infrastructure, invest in Green energy. Immigration issues generally only bother xenophobes who pretend they're not xenophobes

[@sylviamontaez3889]

i dont think closing borders helped in some cases either. italy for example. the austrians closed the border which made it harder for refugees who were crossing through italy to other countries to leave.

[@Jajalaatmaar]

@@sylviamontaez3889 The only way to do that is to use quotas, so you know how many people you have to integrate at maximum. The only EU nation with a coherent integration policy is Denmark; and so many countries slam it for being too harsh. It's harsh but also makes sure you're not waiting 2 years for your asylum application. It has harsh punishment if you misbehave, but also extra support for integration. Because they have quote, they never get overstretched like we do in Holland.

[@mam0lechinookclan607]

@@peterpalmato467 very simply thought

[@Svenssonize]

correction: there is a 4 % limit to join the Riksdag, not 5% as said in the video at 09:09, otherwise good video! Hello from Sweden!

[@jonatanwassberg5082]

Or 12 % in a single electoral district :p

[@Luredreier]

@@jonatanwassberg5082 Not a fan of that 12% rule personally... Our system over here in Norway is that there's no limit to get into parliament with the seats from the individual electoral circles, meaning there's no limit for 150 of the 169 seats, but there *is* a 4% limit for the 19 leveling seats. As a result there *is* a incentive towards voting for parties with 3-5% of the votes as opposed to the electorate being split up into tiny parties of little or no relevance. Yet you *can* get in with few votes. This year the smallest party in the parliament got in with just 0,2% of the national vote because the bigger parties failed to realize that living in eastern Finmark without a local hospital that doesn't require driving across a mountain to access, a mountain that sometimes is inpassable due to bad weather is just untenable... Leading to a revolt in the electorate of eastern Finmark. Taking one of the 5 seats in that electoral circle from the conservatives and giving it to a new political party focused on ensuring a continued presence of emergency services and a maternety ward in the region. With our system it would have been more viable to split up and remerge the parties in Sweden in order to make the parliamentary maths add up. And yes, as you can imagine our seat allocation between the electoral circles are *not* just proportional to population, but to a combination of population and to land area. Favouring big low population electoral circles in the north of the country.

[@jonatanwassberg5082]

@@Luredreier I'm not sure of my ow standpoint on the issue. Your system, I belive, discriminates against nation wide parties, in favor of lokal parties and introduces very small parties which makes majorities harder to form. I am in favor of a system that is proportional, has a 5 % cap and multiple choise

[@Luredreier]

@@jonatanwassberg5082 My own preferred party (MDG) is the party that struggles the most with the system we have. The party I mentioned got 1 representative into our parliament with a total of 4908 votes in total behind that representative. My own party increased its number of seats from 1 to 3 representatives. Being below 4% we ended up with non of the 19 leveling seats. As a result our 110.973 votes only gave us 3 representatives or 36.991 votes pr representative. On average you need about 17 200 votes to get a representative in Norway. My party is among the ones that suffers the most from our system since they tend to attract urban voters. And my vote is among the ones that counts less because of our system, since I live in the third/fourth biggest city in Norway, Trondheim (the position depends on how you define what is or isn't included in the city). However thing of it this way. A city or urban area has a lot more people who have similar living experiences. In 2014 we had a population of 182 035 here in Trondheim. That's means that it's *very* likely that at least *someone* who knows how it is to live in Trondheim is represented in our parliament in any given year. But if every vote is of equal value you end up with a very, very long time between each time any given location in rural area is represented in parliament. Between every time someone who knows how it is to live there, what problems they face etc is represented. By giving rural voters more weight in our system we ensure that *someone* from those areas are represented anyway. But the overal composition of our parliament is still adjusted for the overall popularity of a party by our leveling seats. With 110 973 votes my party would have had about 6 seats if we had one seat for every 17 200 votes (the average number of votes pr seat in our parliament) So once we get past 4% of the total votes we're going to get a *lot* of leveling seats. We had 3.9% It sucks. But it also means that our voters have more influence. Since each and every one of our votes matters more when we're in the area of that 4% treshold. It's a bit like how voters in the US matters more in swing states then in red or blue states. Except for us it's on a pr party level and it's the 4% threshold that matters. Having that 4% threshold for our leveling seats means that parties that *does* make it above 4% are ensured to have a *real* say in our political climate since they get enough seats to be relevant in our politics. But since you *can* get seats even below 4% we also have the *possibility* to be relevant due to the possibility of ending up with the balance of power between two parties vying prime minister position even with a single seat if the parliamentary math between the rest of the political parties adds up just right. And even when it doesn' you might end up with balance of power in individual law proposals or even make law proposals of your own with a single representative. So if you have a issue that matters you can push it with our system if you can mobilize enough voters. And it's proportional at every level. The 3 seats we *did* get where the 3 seats we had earned through our proportional voter share in the electoral circles where we *did* manage to get enough votes compared to other parties to get at least one seat. All our 19 electoral circles are multi-member districts and proportional, with the two smallest electoral circles (in terms of seats) still having 4 seats each. And we have 5 electoral circles that has a two digit number of seats each. So it's not really unfair towards smaller parties in that sense. And big parties with a broad appeal among multiple electoral circles will be well represented anyway in the various electoral circles. So the 19 leveling seats mainly benefits smaller parties that has a broad appeal. Small parties that's mainly popular in certain areas will get direct representation from their respective electoral circle. Big parties will get a lot of seats *everywhere*. And parties with less then 4% of the votes *will* get represented if they are popular enough in a electoral circle to make it, regardless of how small their total number of votes is. And with the 4% threshold the parties that makes it past that point gets extra "omph" compared to other smaller parties meaning that you *can* get something done. So there's a motivation to *try* to work issues out instead of just split up parties the moment there is a issue due to the 4% rule, and there is a motivation for people to go out and vote for parties near that limit, people who might otherwise stay at home, or vote for a bigger party, since every single vote might count a *lot* when you're close to that point, increasing participation. It *does* lead to a little bit of tactical voting, since members of bigger parties might win more representation for their coalition pr vote by voting for a small party near that limit then for their preferred option, but since the outcome is *always* proportional I don't really see that as a problem, they're not *forced* to do this, it's a option that they have and can make a informed decision to do, and there's no real penalty for not doing so. Most voters don't do this after all. Yes, it does mean less power when we're below the 4% limit. In this case my party. But we'll get more power when we get *above* while we're *still* represented, getting our politics heard, our proposals voted on, and our votes counted. And all the other parties *know* that it's just a matter of time before *we* will end up above the 4% limit and some other parties ends up below, so just ignoring us or pissing us off isn't a good play either. Our system encourages a consensus, and addressing the issues of everyone. The bigger parties doesn't *have* to do exactly what the smaller parties wants, but in order to push us under the 4% limit where we're relatively speaking harmless they *have* to adopt at least some of the policies of the factions within their own parties that's aligned with us. So in the case of MDG, the green movement within the bigger parties like the labour party or even the conservatives (movements also represented in other parties like the liberals on the political right and the socialist left party on the left, while we are in the center.) So yeah, I'm pretty happy with our system. It's not perfect. But it's pretty good. And I think well suited for Sweden. Perhaps it could allow the center party in Sweden to split up and focus more on farmers making them more compatible with the political left, while the capitalists in the party could merge with another right wing party or form their own themselves since they'd have a real shot for power without a lower limit for representation. Or any number of other possible changes. Basically I think it would make Swedish poliltics more balanced. As for the Sweden Democrats, perhaps the extremists would leave the party and form their own smaller party where they don't have to deal with the moderating forces. While the leadership could afford to alinate some far right voters in order to actually become a real coalition option. And so one and so forth...

[@Luredreier]

@@jonatanwassberg5082 If we had your system instead a lot of viewpoints simply wouldn't be represented at all, because the parties representing them would fall below your thresholds at some point or other, and there would be questions about their viability as parties making it harder to actually gain representation. Voters would be discouraged by voting for a party that had representation only to find it out of parliament entierly.

[@Rizhiy13]

When a party secured 17% of the votes it is very difficult to call them fringe. Politicians are supposed to represent the will of the people and 17% is a lot.

[@peterpalmato467]

It's nowhere near a majority. Racism is really popular right now because of mainstream media

[@valentinmitterbauer4196]

@@peterpalmato467 I can only speak for my own country, also i am unsure what country you had in mind when you wrote that comment, but i'd say that in austria no mainstream tv network and only one or two mainstream news papers are anti- immigration. In fact many media outlets are in certain cases disproportionally progressive and don't mirror the opinions of the population. But i don't know, maybe that's different in sweden, i'm willing to learn.

[@inteallsviktigt]

@@peterpalmato467 sorry but no party ever have a majority. The social democrat have 28% and moderates have 20%. We always have coalition governments to get a majority

[@Hannodb1961]

@@valentinmitterbauer4196 I am willing to bet it is no different in Sweden. The same is true of most msm in America, and it is definitely true in South Africa as well. Over the course of my lifetime, I've noticed how journalism was captured by the left and turned it into a propaganda tool. There is a reason why trust in the msm is at an all time low.

[@backintimealwyn5736]

@@peterpalmato467 it's not racist to make the choice to not be opened to immigration or limit it. Many countries made that choice. Sometimes it's the most reasonable choice.

[@CobraTrainer]

As a swede i think it's reasonable for partys to not want to govern togheter with SD. However, what i think is extremely unreasonable is that many partys in Sweden will not even vote for their own policies if SD also votes for them, just to spite SD. Imagine the Left Party wants more tax breaks for the elderly, if SD puts forth a motion that does exactly that, the Left party will probably vote againts the motion only because it was put forth by SD. That's how idiotic politics in Sweden is right now.

[@awesomestory9864]

That's because they don't want to give credit to an opposing party and the same goes for any other party in parliament. It's all just a game to them.

[@ReNameMe]

@@awesomestory9864 agree, and a bad game at that.

[@barraganimperator4420]

Soooo they basicley feed the SD?

[@cakeisyummy5755]

Wow, It's like Sweden is slowly becoming the USA.

[@MrBASShunt3r]

I don't know what rock you've been hiding under but that governments/politicians in every country.

[@enriquelescure9202]

There are numerous facts wrong. Sweden moved towards a stricter immigration and asylum policy in October 2015, and tightened it further in June 2016. Traditionally the red-greens are a novelty. Mattias Karlsson has never been the SD leader. There is a 4% threshold.

[@tubomi8]

As always, TLDR makes tons of careless mistakes in their videos. Spreading misinformation.

[@TheSimon253]

@@tubomi8 Easy mistakes to make if you are not from the country. Mattias Karlsson did serve as SD leader when Jimmie was on sick-leave, so kinda correct Not sure what you mean with the red-greens being a novelty?

[@tubomi8]

@@TheSimon253 yes but this is a NEWS channel. Not some family gathering. This is supposed to be factual

[@ZETH_27]

Sweden never had a full lockdown.

[@MichaelGGarry]

@@ZETH_27 Which is why its death rate is like 3 times higher than its neighbours....

[@isak8903]

As a Swede myself, i would not call them far right, they were more rightwing in the past but now they are barely conservative anymore.

[@cedricdavis858]

Hello I got in touch with you about something very important and urgent that I want to discuss with you.

[@ermin2248]

So where are they now? Center right?

[@zombieguyproducion]

@@ermin2248 Economic middle, socialconservative. Centre-right fits in well on SD today

[@jackmonroe3284]

My question is will you support and vote for them?

[@isak8903]

@@jackmonroe3284 well i don't really know , i liked them before but now they are barely conservative anymore.

[@billzhang8628]

It is clear that the moderation of the Swedish democrats is a huge part in their success. Compared to their far rights counterparts in the other Scandinavian counties they are certainly the most moderate.

[@peterpalmato467]

It is clear that far right parties will pretend not to be to win votes

[@victorm6430]

@@peterpalmato467 Please explain why they are far right? Seems like you think that all parties critical of open borders are far right. On most economic issues, SD is center-left.

[@kasugaryuichi9767]

@@peterpalmato467Just like far left parties will appear democratic to seize power

[@peterpalmato467]

@@kasugaryuichi9767 Greens politics and democratic socialism is not far left. Wanting to push asylum seekers into he sea is far right

[@niklasmolen4753]

If you want to be a big party, you can not be on the right or left edge. You have to get closer to the middle. Therefore, the more extremist parties will never be big.

[@rokadaprliinnysystemyaczno4761]

Anti immigration never went popular.... immigration was never popular, except among the political correct minority. After all do you believe Sweden likes to be called "the tape capital of the world" by the US President ?

[@xway2]

Nobody took the former US president seriously, so we had no opinion one way or the other on anything he said. We just laughed when it was funny and ignored him when it wasn't.

[@007kingifrit]

@@xway2 nobody ignored trump. he renegotiated 50% of america's trade portfolio, reduced immigraiton by 70%, and brought 100s of thousands of factory jobs back to america he also began the world on an anti china campaign which your leaders all picked up......donald trump created the modern age and you owe him everything about the modern political landscape

[@xway2]

@@007kingifrit ok lol

[@fredmidtgaard5487]

In the Scandinavian context, the big difference between Sweden and the rest is that Sweden was never able to talk about its immigration problems. Then they go bananas when they find out that they have been too liberal. Sweden was also never able to freely discuss its COVID strategy. It was always done with an added disdain for any other country's strategy. The big disaster is that Sweden is right there in the middle between all of the other Nordic countries, without the ability to cooperate and with an arrogant belief of their own superiority. As their football player, Zlatan so charmingly would have said: "I am the best in the world!".

[@KevinUchihaOG]

" Sweden was also never able to freely discuss its COVID strategy." huh? we werent? This is news for me as a swede living in sweden. "It was always done with an added disdain for any other country's strategy. " i mean, other countries went fuckign apeshit bananas over covid, im SUPER GLAD that Sweden didnt do any lockdowns. Fuck that shit. And no, we do not have more deaths from covid than other countries. (nor do we have more excess deaths) "without the ability to cooperate and with an arrogant belief of their own superiority." I honestly dont know what you are talking about. Sweden is very pro co-operation. Sweden is very anti-isolationist. Sweden is pro EU. Sweden is pro trade unions and all stuff with other nations.

[@krombopulos_michael]

I had never heard of a cordon sanitaire before but now that I have I realise that an Irish party, Sinn Féin, also has one. Unusually for Europe, they are left wing nationalists rather than right wing nationalists, but like the examples here have been growing in popularity in recent years by trying to moderate their image somewhat. However, the historically major parties still won't work with them due to their historical links to nationalist terrorism in Northern Ireland.

[@Adderkleet]

I'm not sure it's a cordon (although the practical reality is that neither large centre-right party will ally with them, so it's effectively the same thing). We do have smaller less savoury parties. But they're too small to bother cordoning off; the kingmaker is either Greens, Labour, Soc.Dems or a bunch of independents.

[@Gallalad1]

Its not really. Labour, the Greens and all the major left groups in the Dail have shown interest or have voted with SF on issues even in the recent past. It is only FF and FG who don't work with them mostly for political reasons rather than a cordon sanitaire. It just happens to be that right now in Ireland that coalition government is hard to form if you don't have FF and or FG involved.

[@frederikjrgensen252]

Do they oppose immigration?

[@axellorenzojohansson4925]

And their ties to white supremacy movements

[@Gallalad1]

@@frederikjrgensen252 honestly I'm not sure anymore. Once of a day they would have (along with being hard eurosceptics) but nowadays they have been playing those kinds of cards close to their chests. If you were to analyse their voters then they would definitely be the most anti immigration group (at least according to polling)

[@lind3223]

I think one big reason for why the traditional right has chosen to cooperate with SD is that they want to win back the voters that they lost when SD entered parliament in 2010. By changing their migration policy to a more strict one while simultaneously keeping their views on other issues, they could win back votes and make the Sweden Democrats shrink. The Moderates talk about climate change as a real problem way more than SD for example (they don't really care about it at all). The Moderate leader has said that he doesn't want SD in the government mainly because of their policies on matters like climate change.

[@OHOE1]

Hello I'm a swed Yes the Moderats have changed there policy around migration to a more strict tactics. They are not alone tho because nearly every party did so after the big migration crisis. The moderates have made talks and agreement with SD and the Christan party. If there side won a government would form with some of SD policies. edit after watching the video: Another thing is that every party in the parliament want more police Jobs.

[@stupidminotaur9735]

2/3 new voters for them came from the left last election. The other 1/3 were from the right.

[@toobalkain]

@@OHOE1 But what about some accountability for the parties that supported uncontrolled migrations, their naive, misguided policies turned Sweden into Mogadishu, rampant crime, uptick in rapes, no go zones, how can anyone still vote for parties responsible for the degradation? When did Swedes turn into such wimpy hippies, you used to be such a great nation, your country was an envy of the world, now it's a cautionary tale, don't think emotionally about migration or you'll end up like Sweden. .

[@jeopardized9293]

Yup EU conservatives are making the same mistakes that German conservatives made in the 1930's

[@lind3223]

@@jeopardized9293 Didn't say it was a mistake. If they hadn't begun normalizing SD, the moderates would be at less than 15% instead of around 21% like they are now. SD would have been very close to overtaking the Social Democrats in size too (actually happened once in 2019 where they were the biggest party for one or two months)

[@Ruairitrick]

An entirely new term, förnedringsrån or 'humiliation-robbery', has entered the Swedish language solely to refer to a novel brand of sadistic crimes perpetrated against Swedes by foreigners. SDs went mainstream because literally no one in Swedish politics can say with straight face that mass immigration from the Middle East and Africa has been a success. It's that simple. The policies the SDs have branded themselves as the main opposition to have been abject failures.

[@the_real_glabnurb]

@@mangonel You don't get it, do you? On what titles came these "immigrants". Did they get job visas or just the usual humanitarian BS, that is you are brown and/or muslim therefore you have the right to live here no matter your intentions.

[@the_real_glabnurb]

@@mangonel Don't pose as someone who sympathizes with the SD. You didn't answer my questions, just called names like a little child.

[@obamama3121]

@@the_real_glabnurb sd is the only party that can keep the swedes from being a minoty in our own country

[@elliot04877]

@@mangonel And people like you are why these issues never get solved

[@cia5649]

except its not even immigrants its their kids showing its a problem in social status

[@andrewharper3165]

The Swedish Democrats are where they are in Swedish politics due to the main parties ignoring two but fundamentally important issues, immigration and law and order. The fault lies there.

[@yad-thaddag]

If the mainstream parties had a more sensible approach to migration (and law & order) support for the Swedish Democrats would evaporate.

[@NoobKillerTM]

That's the same in a lot of European countries. The centre-left and center-right doesn't care about key issues, so extremists can fill in the hole.

[@DaDunge]

BS there is no proof that harsher punishments will dissuade crime. in fact there evidence suggests it gets people stuck in a life of crime. Sweden approach to these things is evidence based. The Sweden democrats approach is populist.

[@helbrassen4576]

@@DaDunge Harsher sentencing is not supposed to discourage crime, it's to keep the criminal away from society longer.

[@DaDunge]

@@helbrassen4576 A far more expensive way to do it then just rehabilitating them. Again the evidence based approach compared to the populist one.

[@jonsnoff5369]

It’s common sense for SD to have such a high support. The other 7 parties have neglected the potential downsides to mass immigration for decades. Recently they’ve pretty much all started saying “yeah we fucked up” in some way or another. Parties which can not see societal problems coming are not the ones I want in charge.

[@MN-vz8qm]

"How anti-immigration went mainstream"... Have you taken a look at what's happening in the streets of the european cities????

[@cedricdavis858]

Hello I got in touch with you about something very important and urgent that I want to discuss with you.

[@thatotherguy8138]

This is what happens when you make certain kinds of arguments impossible to have in polite society - impolite society gets a monopoly on them, and becomes attractive to people who hold those views. Mass immigration is never a good thing, ever - even if this was Norwegians coming to Sweden in record amounts, or Danes, or Finns, or Icelanders, this would be a huge problem as it would change Sweden. Sometimes mass immigration is NECESSARY, though. And so a nuanced, thoughtful and honest conversation is needed. Nuanced, thoughtful and honest conversations are fucking BORING. You can't televise them. You can't use them for blurb advertising to get people to watch something. You can't use them for political fundraising. There is no incentive to have those conversations. And so we get what we have now - Pure Partisanship, Hardening of Positions, and a fear of compromise. In that kind of a situation, you will this kind of thing happening. You get it on the Left with actual Communists rising up in some places where people are getting tired of the Lip Service the Left is paying to some of the Communist party points (particularly around Income Inequality; the Mainstream Left loves to talk about it, but then does little to nothing about it because they like being Rich and Powerful and don't want to lose either of those). And on the Right it's coming up around Immigration, Taxation/Capitalism and the Family. All are topics that should be the subject of nuanced, thoughtful and honest discussions, but you can't have any of those discussions in our current media and political climate because nuance, thoughtfulness and honesty don't sell Ad's and they don't drum up political contributions.

[@sintheemptyone8108]

So you finally realize the extent to how much the political theatre manipulates, tempts & radicalizes people towards these extremes for the sake of justifying its existence. This outcome has been coming for hundreds of years, ever since the transition from issue-based politics to party-based politics in the late 19th Century. The only winning move left for many is to not play, abandon the political system in favor of playing your cards in a way that keeps you and the few people you care about safe while the system eventually crumbles. And the political actors know it, and they fear it, for the increasing number of young people choosing to drop out of workforce & politics will spell the end for them.

[@thepeculiarswede8617]

All because of the shortened attention span people have today.

[@_NoName0]

Except this is not massive immigration from other Nordic/Scandinavians country but mostly from Arabic countries for Sweden, Germany, Netherlands, Denmark and so on.. Africans for Italy, France.. All mainly muslims Now there are almost 10% of Muslims in France in Sweden, in just 40-50 years, and there will be more and more over time, because at least hundreds are coming every month, and these populations have bigger families than Europeans, even more than Scandinavians (fertility rates). Remember, France is the first country of Europe in term of fertility rates, 10% Muslims. It's just a matter of time..

[@user-yc5fq9bv3u]

There are subjective reasons for every choice people make, and if there are millions of those people you can try to guess what are the most likely reasons for it. If you try to exclude more than 1/10 of population from political discourse without trying to understand the core reasons for their choices you are ignoring the problem. Whether or not there is Cordon Sanitaire in action is not the most important question. The important question is: are the needs of people who voted for SD fullfilled. If they are not, there is a huge problem. Assuming that needs of those people are evil does not solve the problem.

[@goodlookingcorpse]

They are not excluded because no one understands the reasons for their choices, but because everyone does.

[@user-yc5fq9bv3u]

@@goodlookingcorpse and of course you can tell me what exactly changed in 2010 what caused MPs from SD to get elected.

[@Hollows1997]

@@goodlookingcorpse By ignoring the SD for too long you will only end up having constant no confidence votes and endless elections all because the political class are too stubborn to work with a ever more popular party. Obviously the SD message is something that Swedish people want to get behind, by the rest of Sweden’s political parties burying their head in the sand and not addressing the issues at hand then you risk civil disturbance or possibly violence.

[@Danarogon]

@@goodlookingcorpse *looks at Jeremy Corbyn making a speech to radical islamist with anti-semitic depictions of jews. And at the labour party member speech where he does the Roman salute at the end* You sure that's the hill you want to die on?

[@goodlookingcorpse]

@@Hollows1997 Perhaps you're a Swede, and writing in a language which is not your first. But the word you have spelled 'stubborn' is actually spelled 'moral'.

[@boarfaceswinejaw4516]

its worth noting that their rise to relevance came as a result of the immigration crisis a few years back, where left wing politicians and whatnot went full moron and decided to concede on very easy positions in the name of appearing virtuous and noble. By giving SD and immigration-critical parties the proverbial monopoly on truth or at least half-truths they allowed those parties to rise far more prominence as a result. a wound that which stuck to swedish politics for quite a while as it got more reactionary. However, this has resulted in hefty changes in all of the political parties, as SD has had to clean out its party and go further left (into center, more left on certain economic issues) to appeal to people and be seen as less of a "one issue" party, and the other more extreme right wing parties sort of fell back down somewhat. likewise the establishment parties have had to concede on certain points and take more "right wing" positions on matters of immigration. So the prominent idea that this was a case of "far right populism, surging through sweden" is dumb. The system works as intended for once. People are being heard by engaging in the multi-party politics, and issues are as a result brought forward through popular votes. We'll likely never see a swedish democrat government, and by the time we do it will look nothing like the party once did 5-6 years back.

[@juancarlosvalderramatolosa4995]

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[@editorrbr2107]

Their platform is just pretty much bog standard center-right, heavily patriotic, euroskeptical fare. Nothing in the documents come across as terribly radical. And given the literal death of cities like Malmo in front of our eyes, it becomes a very easy pill for people to swallow.

[@ianjehle]

I disagree. If Europe does not want to see immigration crisis then it must intercede in regional conflicts and crisis that cause mass migration. This situation was created by Russia who amplified the crisis Syria in order destabilize popular support for liberal governments in the EU. These far right parties generally all ignore the source of the crisis, and instead show support for the de facto dictatorship in Russia. Dictatorships survive because the dictators manufacture crisis and then offer themselves as the only solution the the crisis they either created or manufactured.

[@davidstern5012]

@@ianjehle NATO is also to blame, not just Russia.

[@Hollows1997]

You can’t ignore that many peoples votes, if the cordon sanitaire continues then clearly Sweden will become ungovernable.

[@brunojohansson7921]

What do you mean? The cordon sanitaire has been broken for at least 2 years now. Even a Party that are supposed to be liberal (liberalerna) wants to cooperate with SD. A liberal party that cooperated with a right populist party doesn’t sound like cordon sanitaire to me. It would just be stupid if the social democrats (or any other left party) suddenly decides to talk to a party on the opposite side of the political spectrum.

[@frisedel]

there is no obligation to work with any other party. by that logic moderaterna should have a say in anything that socialdemokraterna does. sense it makes none

[@ZETH_27]

It's a bit ironic that the SD are being voted on because people are unhappy with the lack of a solid government *caused* by people voting for the SD.

[@apainintheaas]

Interesting to see what happens. In The Netherlands a party considered far right (the PVV) supported a minority government in 2010. This ended up falling in 2012 and the two parties in government (moderate right wing parties) blamed the PVV. This had been part of the reasons given by the moderate right wing parties as to why they will not consider working with far right parties, leading to an cordon sanitaire. So if governing goes bad for the Sweden Democrats, it could very well lead to a return to a cordon sanitaire. Time will tell.

[@Saiputera]

Well the progressive party will never be the majority government anytime soon. Which a good thing

[@kapoue57]

You know, when your bathtub is full and water start spilling out, it is not an unwise move to shut down the tap

[@SwedishLind]

Just a few details that got wrong in this. First Sweden never really went into lockdown with only with resaurants and bars which could not server after a set time. Second The minimum limit for a party to be in the Riksdag(The Swedish parliament) is not 5% as stated around @9:07 in the video but the minimum is 4%

[@aymankhan2266]

While I don’t support SD myself, it is worth to mention that a significant portion of immigrant background and naturalised swedes have voted for SD themselves because they believe illegal immigration is hurting the image of legal migrants, and SD has declared no intention of abolishing non-western legal immigration, and has made it clear that they do not support racism.

[@WolfetoneRebel1916]

If you have to make it clear that you don't support racism, you may be starting from a bad spot.

[@DaDunge]

So people keep telling me but I grew up in such a neighbourhood and never met anyone from there who said they voted for SD.

[@andrewmckenzie292]

@@WolfetoneRebel1916 Is that really their fault though? They put their policies out there, and they can decline prospective members but they cannot anticipate who will approach them. Anything more, and your approaching political suppression.

[@aymankhan2266]

I mean there’s no denying that SD has had a troubled history and some controversial politicians. But at the same time the party has made efforts to reform, and it hasn’t been shy in kicking racists out of the party either. So I think it’s understandable why people question their stance on race and at the same time why they have been keen on marketing their new set of values

[@1337Stream]

One of the founders was a former SS officer, current policies includes separate prisons for non-citizens (including legal immigranta in the process of getting citizenship). Whoms leadership reguarely state things like "jews and sami cant be swedish". Not racist my ass.

[@MrInovasoft]

I have visited Sweden for the first time in 2003. It was heaven! I saw it again in 2010, then in 2012. It was already changed. I lived there for 2 years, 2013 and 2014, first in Göteborg, then in Arvika. The Sweden I fell in love with in 2003 was gone, dead! Killed by the hordes of somali, afghan and arab people who turned it into shit, to be honest!

[@stevenobinator2229]

Why do white people continual want to destroy their own countries. Immigration is fine at extremely low levels

[@chokladkakan3823]

I personally don’t think that the immigrants are the problem. My opinion is that the police is too restricted and have to little resources. I also think that the government have failed in incorporating the immigrants to the Swedish society.

[@vikkran401]

@@chokladkakan3823 Most of them can't be incorperated. Their values and cultures are incomptible in the Swedish society.

[@gazwa-e-islam2716]

Bro, the people you list are not the problem, it is that they are afflicted with the i-virus mental disease. They are fed the poison of the kuran since childhood, then kept fully intoxicated and addicted throughout adult life by 5 tpd doses of the venom of the kuran. FYI islam is not a religion, it is a hateful, bigoted, supremacist, violence-inciting criminal organisation masquerading as a religion and with a clear political ideology.

[@gazwa-e-islam2716]

@@chokladkakan3823 Bro, IMO you are totally misinformed and naive about islam.

[@dogwhistle8836]

the bad behavior of refuges and the failure of MSM and main political parties to say anything makes ppl chose a party that will

[@jaicotterill5226]

The damage has been done and is irreversible, Western Europe countries (Sweden included) have lost their national identity and threw away their history, culture and roots all for third world cave people that blow up your cities and rape your women and little girls

[@OnSilverWings]

As a Brit in Sweden, I'd say it's perhaps like Britain, we're okay with immigration but not unchecked to the point the risks outweigh the cons such as extremism and loss of national identity. I've aimed to fit in with Swedish culture and tried to learn the language but fortunately Sweden is very English friendly and similar so it's not a radical shift for me. I think Sweden is putting up resistance to immigration rather than extremist U- turn. The Sweden Democrats have moved more to the left I guess to be a more moderate right party as the population is getting increasingly tired or the left but they've not gone completely centre or left. Since the other parties haven't tighten up on their immigration or have blundered in other aspects, people have migrated towards the Sweden Democrats just for 'some' control rather than no control. Could be completely wrong but also Sweden is possibly heading towards being Euroceptic as the EU gets ever more integrated and Sweden prefers to remain neutral. They don't want the Euro, they don't want an EU army and they lost the UK as a powerful ally.

[@boarfaceswinejaw4516]

sweden has always been very much pro autonomy and freedom from the EU. i wouldnt call it eurosceptic as much as euro-cautious.

[@southwestsaxon]

You just sound like a far right xenophobe in denial to me, using your immigrant status as a shield against being called out. Borders are Racist, especially in Europe which is guilty since 1930s.

[@sejekage01]

As Danish and UK citizen growing up in Denmark with the centre right parties working with the nationalists since the start of the 2000s, I really warn you of being sympathetic towards the Sweden democrats given power in government. It's shooting yourself in the foot. The kind of polices that will probably be implemented, will inevitably hit you, especially not having a EU citizenship anymore.

[@jdlc903]

@@southwestsaxon borders are racist? Are you trolling?

[@victorm6430]

I agree with everything you said! Especially regarding the euroscepticism... Me and many other Swedes are not necessarily Swexit (yet), but extremely critical of a lot of the decisions taking place in Brussels. The UK leaving the EU was the worst thing that could've happened to Sweden. We relied on them most of the time.

[@Mari.L.]

There is nothing strange about the break of the cordon sanitaire. It shows that democracy is working and if a party becomes bigger due to becoming more moderat it should be the normal thing. I'm a german social democrat and right now i think it is right that nobody works with the Afd, since they are radical and becoming more radical, but if they would seriously change, throw out the extremists and stop with their polemic rethoric i would be fine with them becoming a "normal" party. Why not? Not everything they are saying is wrong, just because they are the ones who are saying it.

[@Noctem_pasa]

Issue is, are they really toning their message down? How different is hating immigration from countries that could mess with Swedish "identity" really all that different from hating non European immigration? Seems like they toned down their rhetoric but not their policies

[@TheBooban]

Nobody listens unless you are a radical. Have to vote for these “far right” parties to get the politicians to pay attention. And anti immigration is not “far right”. We have always had visa laws. It is the other parties who went globalist crazy and broke laws to allow immigrants. If you want a job, you apply for a work visa from your country first. Thats the way it is supposed to be.

[@Noctem_pasa]

@@TheBooban that's not how refugees work though, you don't need to apply for a visa to escape a war

[@Munchausenification]

@@Noctem_pasa Same thing with Sweden Democrats happened in Denmark with Dansk Folkeparti and after actually getting into power, they had to stick to their policies, make compromises with other parties and the election right after, they lost a lot of power. They had like 20% of the vote in 2015 election and lost half if not more in 2019. Also, other parties adopted what they were advocating for like harsher immigration policies, focus on elder care etc. so that was a big part of it too.

[@suportbghelp4938]

Sorry my friend but its too late for Germany to break Woke, they control your education system, kids is already brainwashed leftists.Future belong to East.

[@sylviamontaez3889]

more effort should be done to organise repatriation programmes for nationaliies such as Iraqis. with the country at peace, some Iraqis may want to return home and it should be easier to do so.

[@SaraSara-kr6sp]

May want to? Shouldn’t Swedes decide that?

[@shantyclips6358]

They should be forced to leave. Europe isn't a free for all! We are drowning in debt while the world expects us to care for self entitled migrants who storm our borders illegally. This is a disgrace!

[@victorm6430]

Sweden should help those who want to return home. A lot of the people who have come here in recent years simply haven't been able to integrate (learn the language, culture and get a job).

[@xway2]

Anybody who want to return can of course do so, nobody's preventing them. I don't understand what you're proposing here?

[@SaraSara-kr6sp]

@@xway2 he would probably pay them to leave lol. So weak. Still better than them staying here tho.

[@thathalak7243]

Finally Swedish are starting to wake up. Centrist parties can be also against immigration if they are not politically correct like the Swedish are, it’s a fact that homogeneous country is a safe country

[@johnr9047]

👍👍👍

[@prsimoibn2710]

Eric Zemmour and the Italian MPs are so homogeneous indeed

[@normalhuman6581]

Disgusting

[@crashfaff]

Yes homogeneous countries like North Korea are very safe

[@thathalak7243]

@@crashfaff Well, if you follow the rules it is actually a safe country to visit. If the Balkans had homogeneous demographics there would never be no conflict, but it’s not the case. We can see the same pattern in Africa, and now even in Europe. Same with Israel etc etc

[@calvinnyarango6749]

Did they change the meaning of far right?

[@peterpalmato467]

No, the commenters have just changed their definition, apparently

[@johnjon5448]

TLDR have some well balanced presenter. This guy is clearly pretty left i think and he is trying to mask it

[@lif6737]

I'll admit, I don't know much about Sweden's political situation, but this seems less like an issue of Sweden radically shifting to the Far-Right and more like the Far-Right dissolving and becoming Centre-Right that has lead to the rise of the SD.

[@Mic_Glow]

"I don't want to be mugged / be ruled by religious extremists mentally stuck in 14'th century" is not "far right" though. It's common sense. And don't get me wrong, I dislike far-right parties for similar reasons... they are anti- abortion (even if it's result of grape or endangers woman's life)

[@cia5649]

@@Mic_Glow mhmm yes the other parties want that right

[@pliat]

@@cia5649 they might not want it, but they are making it happen.

[@milantoth6246]

@@Mic_Glow there are tons of other problems with far right parties too. But when the vast majority of far right opinions are watered down or dropped completely, the one remaining is law and order, and anti immigration ideology, can you reasonably call that far right? In my opinion, no. That does not mean that I would vote for their platform, but I think treating other opinions as they are and not demonizing them is the backbone of a working democracy.

[@bodigames]

Why is it a problem when a country shifts far right but not when it shifts far left?

[@MyLittleMagneton]

Honestly, SD is and continues to be wildly mischaracterised. They're not "extreme right", they're rather centrist actually. As a half Brit-Swede, I'd hands down put them left of the Tories.

[@darkratoon5436]

Being french you realise everyone uses the old french saying "cordon sanitaire" which isnt that much used in France, it's like creating a trend which start to work once you gave up using it xD.

[@scifino1]

This might just be an English-language thing. I'm German, and the term we use for that is "Kooperationsverbot" (= "cooperation ban").

[@pierren___]

C'est aussi utilisé en France

[@DeadliestWarriorZZ]

I think the term is more popular in the southern part of Belgium where they speak French as well. Here in the Netherlands the term is used now and again as well.

[@darthplagueis13]

Probably mostly an english thing. The english trending around things the french gave up on is a historical tradition.

[@C05597641]

Unaffordable house prices fueled by immigration, covid, supply chain issues and neo liberal policies were bound to lead to an anti immigration sentiment. I think many people want a break to population growth giving the building industry a chance to catch up with a back log in demand.

[@youngimperialistmkii]

Judging by some of the comments I've seen here. The SD's public image makeover is going well.

[@helbrassen4576]

It is, it's nice being able to vote for a party that doesn't actively hate a big part of the electorate.

[@Rime_in_Retrograde]

That it does. Now we need someone to scrape off that thin gold veneer so we can see what's festering underneath.

[@maxime556]

sadly yes. They still are an appaling far-right party but sweds are dumber than i thought....

[@Hollywood2021]

Right? It’s like people want Sweden to be desirable and peaceful again

[@peterpalmato467]

@@Hollywood2021 it's like racists want to push brown people into the sea

[@kjql949]

It seems like both Swedish right-wing parties became more open to SD but SD also adopted more mainstream positions in other areas and became more moderate (at least in appearance.)

[@michaelgreen1515]

This "sanitised fencing" policy has also been in effect with the Provisional Sinn Fein (now Sinn Fein); and for a while previously Sinn Fein (now The Worker's Party) in The Republic of Ireland.

[@_NoName0]

Europe for Europeans

[@SkytraxX1]

As a swede i can asure you that you have missed alot of context by relying on alot of mainstream news. I'm not anti mainstream media in general but in sweden they tend to angle things in the way to the party that has been the ruling party of Sweden almost constantly since 1936

[@kobban63]

Yeah they sure are biased

[@editorrbr2107]

Sweden’s media (alongside the UK and Germany), may be the most lockstep of any I’ve seen in a democracy. There simply are not dissenting voices. And if an unpleasant fact runs counter to the SAP party line, it’s going to be squelched. It would be fascinating if it weren’t such a disservice to the Swedish people

[@thepeculiarswede8617]

Guess you are talking about the party that used to sterilise people they found unwhorthy of having kids .

[@mystisk2408]

Immigrants and refugees are different things, this is something many people fail to realise. I don't see what threat immigrants would provide. As for refugees, they are only a 'threat' if not handled properly by the Govt. like in 2015 -2017, the Syrian refugees were all taken in (cuz Sweden accepts all refugees unlike Norway) but the Govt couldn't handle them properly and they were forced to steal to survive. Sweden can also follow Norway's steps on 'educating' the refugees on the culture in the country (because culture gap leads to ppl confusing on whats acceptable and whats not in a country) to prevent any mishaps.

[@rapnews2165]

MAKE EUROPE, EUROPE AGAIN. SEND THEM BACK AND BUILD UP AND BETTER.

[@gazwa-e-islam2716]

A great mistake to let in the i-virus mental disease into the country. Get them to read the translation of Syed Wasim Rizvi's recent book "Mohammed". If they renounce islam, rehabilitate those back into humanity.

[@Aygo84]

There's no such thing as "cordon sanitaire" in bourgeois liberal democracy, because it's an electoral "market". Liberals, conservatives and even social-democrats may not go to bed with far-right neofascists, but once the dominant classes feel their privileges threatened, they shelve liberalism and open the doors too these parties, specially by giving them disproportionate feed on the mainstream media. Then, and because bourgeois liberal democracy is an electoral "market", the only option of conservatives, liberals and social-democrats is eating the far-right - now normalized - agenda, mimick it or pair with it. Liberalism rivers always runs to the sea of fascism.

[@mordred_]

The bourgeois are all leftist today gramps, go outside

[@frostleaf7833]

@@mordred_ when you get your political opinion from reddit and 4chan

[@DrpepperSWE]

Löfven didn't say "my europe doesn't build walls" in 2014, it was in september 2015. And the new more strict laws came in 2016.

[@gungan5822]

Cordon sanitaire sounds like a fancy term for the political establishment purposely disenfrachising people.

[@MeidoInHebun]

Fascists would disenfranchise everyone else if they had the chance.

[@gungan5822]

@@MeidoInHebun You don't know what fascism is.

[@Detector1977]

There is one point which MASSIVLY important when it comes to Sweden. The amount of immigrants and so called refugees Sweden has taken in are mind boggling and more than ANY other country in Europe. For the past 2 decades Sweden's population has increased by 10-15% due to immigration. No other country has more generous immigration laws where everyone was deemed to be a refugee...

[@MichaelGGarry]

10-15% in a couple of decades? Sitting here in Singapore those are rookie numbers! Over 50% increase in population since 2000 in a country more than half the population of Sweden......

[@Detector1977]

@@MichaelGGarry Well, the problem in Sweden is that are very weak laws when it comes to integration which means you have countries within countries where immigrants doesn't learn the language, the culture, laws etc as they don't have to.

[@klaseniusproductions7591]

Thats just not true. Germany has taken in a lot more refugees than Sweden has, although Sweden has taken in more as a percentage of their population.

[@Detector1977]

@@klaseniusproductions7591 OBVIOUSLY Germany has taken in more in raw numbers but Germany is almost 10 times the size of Sweden. But if Germany takes in 2 million and Sweden takes in 500000 it is a massive difference as as % of the population it will have a much greater impact on Sweden.

[@klaseniusproductions7591]

@@Detector1977 But you said "more than ANY other country in Europe". That's just a lie.

[@usapanda7303]

But honestly, if you can't figure out instantly why these fringe parties are gaining steam, you might be part of the problem.

[@jorge6207]

You'll just have to go and find out the intelectual level of the people voting for the far right, and you will have your answer. Populism is easy among weaker, less trained, minds, who struggle to understand words with more than 2 syllables.

[@007kingifrit]

@@jorge6207 60% of college graduates never use their degree to find work. your measure of what counts as intellectual is laughable. i've seen what your colleges are like. i reject them as inferior places of unlearning we shall see which is stronger. our wisdom or your knowledge

[@jorge6207]

@@007kingifrit I didn't talk of formal education, but intelectual capability. They are different things. Formal education has been, for the past 50 years, a factory of either imbeciles or narrow-minded hiperspecialists.

[@usapanda7303]

@@jorge6207 There is a massive difference between actually having an intellectual capacity and THINKING you have some intellectual capacity. My guess is you're a pseudo intellectual with a degree in art history.

[@jorge6207]

@@usapanda7303 Whatever rocks your boat. I am whatever you want me to be, all for your ideology never to crumble under its orthodox totality. I am the 'other' that allows you to believe you fit in and the chaos we all live in makes some sense. It's nice to have a box and avoid free thinking.

[@ThePamastymui]

As you can see in the video, far-right party became center-right party. But traditional leftists parties in the country are so far-left, they do not see a difference.

[@normalhuman6581]

Stop supporting fascists

[@idontexist1681]

Bruh sweden far left?

[@Draktand01]

A key thing to understand about the history that lead to the current situation is the role Sweden played during WW2. Due to not contributing to the allied war effort in any military capacity whatsoever (except debatably by helping Finland), we took pride in helping Jewish refugees fleeing from Denmark for example. After the war, this narrative simmered in the background for a long time. Then fast forward to the 21st century, an era where democracy was thriving. Politicians understandibly got a bit naive, doing things like dismanteling the military, cutting welfare left and right (even the most effective kinds, becoming a contributing factor the recent spike in violent crime, ect.) Basically, the politicians dreamed too big, and ignored the realpolitik of the situation, leading to massive discontent. Obviously, in such an era, the mindset of ”Sweden helps people in need” was at the forefront of the agenda, with the WW2 era narrative about refugees rising to the surface. That is not to say that the ideals were at all bad ones, but rather that they threw money at the wrong places, and argued over the wrong things, often times ignoring the big picture.

[@HansLandaNaranja]

This is true for all over Europe. Politicians are idealists and do not understand how their policies are badly influencing the people and their lives. And in a way they are talking down on people as if they are ignorant because they don't look at the big picture.

[@marciocardozo9039]

Yeah, but Sweden also had a large amount of Nazi sympathizers and a considerable amount of deals with the Third Reich, not judging or anything in a way that protected Sweden from being invaded, but its legacy with national socialism has a lot of nuances to it. I think that honestly, Sweden has to face the problems that such a large amount of unregulated immigration has caused, but racism is not the answer, just like blindly defending every kind of immigration won't solve the issue.

[@TheAmericanAmerican]

Sounds more like a capitalist problem to me... well it definitely is the case in the US at least. The capitalists here have completely corrupted our democracy/government to the point where THEY get welfare, tax breaks, and social safety nets while the working class collapses...

[@Draktand01]

@@marciocardozo9039 Yeah, honestly I’m a leftist myself. I don’t like SD’s approach at all. However, I don’t think it’s unreasonable to learn from the mistakes that we made along the way, and instead focus our attention at rebuilding the most fundamental parts of the welfare state. Don’t take that to say I think we should ignore the plights of refugees, and actively make their lives worse for wanting somewhere safe to live. We just need to look at all solutions and apply the money where the statistics point to, and we need to be very transparent about why we spent the money in that way in particular, pushing said transparency to the forefront of the agenda.

[@LAG09]

I don't think they ever really cut welfare, more just overwhelmed it with the sheer volume of more difficult-to-integrate immigrants. Back in the 50-70s when the economy was growing fast Sweden took in a lot of immigrants from Europe, particularly Finland, who fairly easily found work and integrated into Swedish society. In the case of Finland we're talking about 500.000, or about 10% of the whole country's population immigrating and integrating pretty successfully. Then in the 80s immigration shifted to further away places like Africa and the middle-east while the Swedish economy started going towards a knowledge economy, with far less new unskilled factory work like that which helped the previous arrivals integrate so well. However blinded by the previous success and convinced that this large scale immigration was good for the country, even thou the original need and cause of it (the country needing more low-skilled workers) going away, politicians just didn't want to slow down immigration and demonized anyone who did. How could anyone be against large scale immigration when it had been such a success? Keep doing this up for almost 30 years and we get where we are today with places like Husby, Rinkeby, Tensta and the "parallel societies" disconnected from society as a whole.

[@louistan7560]

Congratulations to the Swedish people in their decision. The prolong silence with the election results shows quite clearly which party has likely won. Europe is dull with respect to immigration. It does not have an intelligent immigration policy that safe-guards the welfare of its own people. Instead, its leaders driven by common un-understandable ideology insist on sacrificing its resources, culture and services to people the majority of whom will never be European. Intelligent immigration is the tightly regulated admission of limited numbers of immigrants who bring value and contribute their talent to the host economies, not those who enter to subsist on the host countries. Therein lie the failure of European politics. It is fortunate that the people have woken up to the fallacy of their governments' open-gate immigration and political asylum policies and demanding change as it is their right. If your government is not concerned with its own people's real needs and welfare and instead focus solely on impractical policies then they should not be allowedto continue their rule. Is the rest of Europe waking up too to the damage their leaders continue to create running on the petrol of heretic ideology.

[@dulio12385]

"My Europe Takes in Refugees. My Europe Doesn't Build Walls." Meanwhile on the Polish Border... Yeah that statement didn't age very well.

[@quentinmyself]

"Violent crimes" by who ?

[@init100]

Actually, opinion polls show that the liberal immigration policy of Sweden has never had majority support, it was simply not important enough to affect their votes until the downsides started to seriously affect them. This of course happened to low-income voters first, who lived in immigrant neighborhoods, and those became the much-reviled initial voters for the Sweden Democrats. If only there had been a mainstream party that offered reduced immigration as a policy, the Sweden Democrats are likely to have remained a fringe party, but since all the established parties effectively formed an immigration policy cartel, the Sweden Democrats were the only vehicle to express dissatisfaction with the establishment immigration policy. And once the train started rolling, there was really no turning back. Even as the mainstream right-wing parties started to turn on the issue, their baggage of the cartel membership as well as their previous excoriations of voters switching to the SD made it very hard to convince voters to come back (you don't go back to a party that recently called you a fascist). But at least, they managed to stem the tide of voters leaving for the SD.

[@gabecassidy2642]

Europe has shifted so far to the left, politically and culturally, that anything right of socialism is called fascism in mainstream spheres. We've lots our minds. We're disorientated, and hopeless, still falling into the trap of believing left wing parties and their empty promises of utopia. I think the slow drift towards the right is not only an inevitable one, but represents our unification with the imperfect, our recognition that politics, and the human experience as a whole cannot be reduced to simple talking points that often sound wonderful at a surface level; we are deeper beings. In a sense, we are growing up, and growing tired.

[@gergelysimko9614]

A similar thing happen in Hungary with Jobbik. They used to be far right and anti semitic, but these days they are more on the center and they got rid of their most peoblematic elements.

[@shantyclips6358]

They became cringe leftists.

[@TheAmericanPrometheus]

Jobbik and Fidesz pretty much just switched positions with each other

[@BountyFlamor]

Does Jobbik still believe in Turanism?

[@tubomi8]

The only reason they're becoming mainstream is because M and KD literally have no other way to form a right wing government without them. It has very little to do with SD's ideology.

[@albinjohnsson2511]

And why is that? Because they have grown so fast, forcing the other parties to adapt to a new party system. Hence, we still need to explain why they have grown. And that, to a certain degree, has of course to do with their politics.

[@leimprovisermagog9259]

we should follow their example, if they find a way to kick them out.

[@AndersLindroth]

Well. This whole madness about open borders and woke culture didn't start to become a normalized thing in Sweden up until a few decades ago. In fact, the Social Democrats of that time were very Conservative and opposed immigration from incompatible cultural areas - even more so than the Sweden Democrats currently do. The Social Democrats didn't start to open the borders for non-European immigration until Olof Palme became the chairman, but even he was far from as extreme in this regard as the current leaders of the party are. The ministers of the current Social Democrats traveled to Iran a few years ago to praise it's government during the anniversary of the Islamic revolution. The previous chairman, Stefan Löfvén, even praised the notorious Fatah as "his dear sister party". They've also signed an agreement to the Muslim Brotherhood, which said that they have free access to annex Sweden as THEIR country. With that said, the Sweden Democrats aren't conducting a radical change of Sweden. They are simply slowing a radical change down.

[@drafmine4526]

I really dislike the new animation style where certain words in political speeches are boldly coloured. It's hard to read and very distracting.

[@victorm6430]

Agree completely

[@GarretWaldron]

When you mentioned examples of the cordon sanitaire you left out one of the biggest in Europe Sinn Fein in The Republic of Ireland

[@moisuomi]

Communism mainstream

[@bothi00]

It's not really a cordon sanitaire though. Moreso, the centre right/right wing parties won't go into coalition with the populist or centre left/left wing party. It's literally just Fine Gael and Fianna Fáil that won't go into government with them (or FG really - FF have hinted they might when forced to). All the other parties, particularly Labour, Greens, Social Democrats and even People Before Profit, and many indépendants, would, and are more than open to the idea. In fact, they actively want a coalition as it's what it'd take to get out both Fianna Fáil and Fine Gael out from power.

[@johano-go]

It's not correct to say that the SD used to flirt with Nazis, they were Nazis. With the uniforms, swastikas, Hitler-salutes and everything. This was very much the case when Åkesson joined the party in 1995, though he has claimed that he didn't notice it and joined SD for its anti-EU policies. Considering that he has been photographed when he was present at a nazi rally in 1995 or 1996, this assertion rings hollow. I don't agree that the SD of today is the same party as back then. But it is important to understand their origins. The SD wasn't like the other right wing populist parties in neighboring countries, who attracted Nazis and fascists because they were close enough, they were, as I said, outspoken Nazis. The biggest problem with this is that the Nazis had to go in order for SD to become mainstream, so they have kicked a lot of people out. And those seats have been filled with crackpots, racists, querulants and idiots. By lack of better alternatives, those people got the seats in local and regional councils, where they have either famously proposed a lot of bills that are crackpot or not something their councils can decide upon, or taken their pay and not show up at meetings. Outside the core at the top, there are very few promising people to lead the grassroots. Which will become a huge issue if they enter a nationwide coalition, and they will have a say in every type of government. Up until now, their non-participation has been welcomed, so their weak base hasn't caused much harm. This may very well change after the next election.

[@comeintotheforest]

Det här är sant. Jag gillar inte socialdemokraterna väldigt mycket men det är jätte viktigt att veta historien om den alternativen

[@NedJeffery]

There always seems to be this unspoken assumption in political commentary that "right wing" = bad, while "left wing" = good.

[@stapleman007]

You just broke the first two rules of mainstream media Fight Club.

[@henrikl4244]

The left Wing is a older party so it have split into two, Vänsterpartiet and Kommunistiska partiet. Kommunistiska partiet is the true left Wing party and many people's would not say that they are good. Vänsterpartiet have moved more to the middle and I would not say they are a true left Wing party. They are a left party with some left Wing things. In the same way many in SD try to move more to the middle to get more power.

[@teemum.9023]

@@henrikl4244 Define left as tries to increase equality at the expense of freedom or security Define right as tries to increase freedom or security at the expense of equality There, you don´t need any inflammatory language

[@haripetrov1289]

@@teemum.9023 You are talking aboout equity or equality of outcome (equal outcome) not equality or equality of opportunity

[@LightxHeaven]

I’m afraid that like most videos done outside British/US topics there are numerous errors and inaccuracies in this video.

[@poltergeist7621]

The corruption scandal in EU institutions that is not discussed in Spain. Deputies from Vox and other parties have asked the Commission about this issue that affects the EPP, the CJEU, the Commission and the ECA. In Spanish media, almost total silence. On 10 December, MEPs from the ECR group (including those from Vox), the Identity and Democracy group and non-affiliates asked the Commission this question: “A recent publication by the French media has reported on alleged conflicts of interest and influence peddling by judges of the Court of Justice of the European Union (CJEU), including its president, Judge Koen Lenaerts, and prominent EU officials associated with the European People's Party (EPP). The publication includes the following names in connection with the scandal: Johannes Hahn, Jean-Claude Juncker, Jyrki Katainen, Michel Barnier, Barbara Feldman, Koen Lenaerts, Judge Quinn, Helga Berger, Alexandra Sacha Prechal, Nils Wahl ”. The question adds: “The Commission, dominated by the EPP, has relied on the CJEU judgments when taking politically motivated decisions regarding rule of law-related investigations against Poland and Hungary. Furthermore, both the Commission and the CJEU have been increasingly critical in their assessments of corruption in countries such as Bulgaria, Romania and Slovenia. Given the above, have any of the CJEU judges mentioned in the publication participated in any CJEU judgment related to rule of law investigations against Poland or Hungary? If so, in which specific resolutions have they participated and which have served as the basis for the Commission's decision to maintain the so-called rule of law mechanism against Poland and Hungary? " Almost total silence of the Spanish media in the face of this scandal Małgorzata Wołczyk points out that this matter has caused a scandal in France (the country where the newspaper that published the information is published) and also in Poland, a country that (as those MEPs point out) is being the victim of ideological persecution by the European Commission. In Spain, the matter has been ignored by practically all the media. I have only found one story in La Vanguardia published on December 1 and entitled: "The president of the EU Court of Auditors rejects the accusations of fraud." This information indicates that the German Klaus-Heiner Lehne, from the PPE and president of the European Court of Auditors, “despite earning between 22,000 and 24,000 euros per month and receiving rental assistance equivalent to 15% of his salary, shares floor with three co-workers, three members of his cabinet with salaries above 10,000 euros per month each ”. La Vanguardia also points out that "a third of the 27 members of the TCUE are almost never in the Grand Duchy, despite the fact that they receive accommodation bonuses for" fictitiously "establishing their residence in the country". It also recalls that this new scandal comes just two months after the conviction by the CJEU against Karel Pinxten, former Belgian Defense Minister and member of the European Court of Auditors for 12 years, for “fraudulently charging the institution with expenses equivalent to 570,000 euros related to personal vacations in Cuba and Switzerland, hunting trips and the purchase of vineyards in France ”. Does Europeanism imply thinking that European institutions are incorruptible? It is astonishing that a matter of this gravity has barely been echoed in the Spanish media, although it is not surprising if we take into account that the main European institutions are controlled by the coalition formed by the European People's Party and European Social Democrats, and related media. both parties should not be very interested in making known the scandals that plague those institutions. On the other hand, the idea seems to have spread that "Europeanism" implies considering that European institutions are above good and evil, are incorruptible and should not be criticized, under penalty of being accused of "Eurosceptic" or "Anti-European". Why shouldn't these institutions be judged with the same critical eye as national or regional institutions? After all, it is often the same parties that dominate each other. Why think that in Brussels they will be more virtuous than in Madrid or Paris?

[@cedricdavis858]

Hej jag tog kontakt med dig om något mycket viktigt och brådskande som jag vill diskutera med dig.

[@Nekotaku_TV]

You shouldn't even suggest that this has anything to do with fascism... Don't give word-abusers any legitimacy.

[@faswfesafdfdas970]

You guys put different people to live together, what do you expected, harmony and peace?

[@zink8841]

It’s common sense you can only let so many ppl in before you start upsetting the native population

[@seyed7380]

Samerna skulle instämma helt.

[@thermal37]

I saw that editing where you cut part of you speaking, was subtle, but noticeable at 0:50

[@tgood4839]

The cordon sanitaire is unreasonable and obtuse. The Swedish Democrats are statistically tied at being the second most popular party in Sweden. If not they basically are the second most popular party in Sweden. The 20% of Swedes voting for the SD deserve to have their voices heard. The SD are not far right.

[@Reanove]

the only real part of SD that is far right is their immigration politics, other than that they are quite left wing.

[@BoltonForTheNorth]

Bullshit. There is nothing left with them. They are entirely on the side of the employer. They actively tries to undermine unions and other pro worker laws.

[@gdf_6c]

I read they have also toned down their homophobic stances. If all far right parties are forced to soften their extremist views to get elected, that's a good thing, I suppose.

[@peterpalmato467]

No. This is incorrect

[@user-bm4ot3lc4v]

Their stance on immigration isn't far right, it's just right Wing. You can find far right immigration policies in people like Eric Zemmour in France tho

[@SaraSara-kr6sp]

@@BoltonForTheNorth anti low skilled immigration is pro low skilled workers actually. If that is their goal i have no idea.

[@keyboarddancers7751]

Why the reference to fascism at the end?

[@Osquar]

I would say that also the other parties are completely incompetent at debating SD. They just scream and tair their hair on live TV when debating Åkesson who in turn replies calmly and acts like a mother in law's dream.

[@fukkami6204]

I feel that refusing to form a coalition any political party regardless of viewpoints is inherently undemocratic as it means that voices within the electorate are silenced.

[@definitelynotnapoleon]

What is considered far right in Sweden and what is actually far right are two very different things.

[@karankapoor2701]

Exactly

[@SirBalageG]

I was thinking the same, swedish far right is kind of like easter european left-central parties

[@1337Stream]

Yeah i mean SD was only founded by an SS officer, used swastiskas less then 20 years ago and still suggest extremely radical policies. Everything from state control of public media to separate imprisonment based on citizenship. Very east european left...

[@taziel4615]

@@1337Stream these people are just downplaying right populist parties. Literal dog whistling.

[@peterfireflylund]

@@1337Stream Meanwhile, Sweden has *actual* Communists and *actual* Muslim collaborators. They are apparently totally non-extreme because reasons...

[@Jajalaatmaar]

TLDR: Islamic culture clashes with western European culture, especially with big diasporas that allow one to live without integrating/assimilating. And EU asylum policy is broken. The EU supreme auditor noted that we have 19% return rate for rejected asylum seekers. With a percentage that low, what's the point? Add to that high costs in a welfare state of taking care of low-educated net-receivers as well as a housing crisis and I see the current asylum system breaking down in the EU. The only way to maintain support for refugee aid in the long-term is regional aid and judgment of asylum applications from abroad. A functional asylum system also helps EU-cohesion, pretty important.

[@DiarrheaChain]

"We didn’t see it come"

[@santhithomas4623]

When you are bringing 2 million people from the Muslim world, who have no respect for Secular Culture, Women and Democracy, what were you expecting? Peace and Harmony? Think and study the community before you give immigration.

[@J069FIX]

Well, I think it is possible that should the SD ever get to play a part in any government coalition in Sweden, they will most likely suffer in the next elections since they can't just keep demanding their coalition partners for concessions, they are going to have to compromise as well, and their voters won't like that. This happened to the Perussuomalaiset party in Finland, and the compromises and other political squabbles caused the party to split in the middle of the government's term, causing a curious situation where one small group of the party was in the government and the larger remaining side sat in opposition.

[@AlisinaAtai]

Lmao! I would have loved to seeing that!

[@rizka7945]

That is not guaranteed to happen again and again everywhere. The case in Finland was really a special one. Leaders of the party demanded few concessions, and they didn't care when their coalition partners didn't keep their deal at all. The leadership of PS sold out virtually EVERYTHING meaningful, apparently for personal gain, to serve as ministers. No political party anywhere would survive such scandalously corrupt and doomed way of betraying trust of its large voter base. SD and PS should stay in the opposition until other parties approach it enough. And for SD, the time is almost there. For PS, much less so. Although the major center-right party Kokoomus has taken some steps in that direction. Until then, they be wise to stay in opposition. Surely that's annoying but they have the right to do so until they get a fair deal by someone.

[@RunawayYe]

The former leader of SD (1995 to 2005) has left the party a few years ago to form a new one because he felt SD was moving too much towards the center and softening their core beliefs. So what you are saying is possible.

[@mikaelvalter-lithander1247]

Dear TLDR, Jimmie Åkesson is pronounced Yimmie Awe-keh-son

[@seyed7380]

AKEsson sounds better lol

[@fiendishghoul1649]

Not to insult the other presenter, but this one is so much nicer to listen to.

[@habbomanish]

SD had 20 MPs in 2010, not 25. Also Löfven made the statement of stricter immigration in november 2015, not 2014. And the legislation that tightened the migration was implemented june 2016, not june 2015. And the threshold to the parliament is 4 percent, not 5.

[@henryab2700]

Oh that's just soooo awesome

[@Autconscipatheonive]

Make a video on non parliamentary Swedish political parties.

[@mandategaming]

Sweden far right: starts to gain support TLDR: this is what I call a massive threat to Europe

[@HibikiKano]

Before brexit the UK Tories switched their Europarty from centre right EPP to far right ECR where the Swedish SD The polish PiS and French FN stand.

[@SimplyVanis]

Kinda. As Nordic countries are the most egalitarian countries in the world and they are switching to further and further to right over time is a bad sign. It means as the world currently is, we cannot afford to treat all people as equals and end up fine.

[@elliot04877]

@@HibikiKano ECR is not far right, right wing conservative at most, it mostly consists of right wing Eurosceptics which is why Tories joined it.

[@Zex-4729]

good for sweden, no one should be forced to do "good".

[@blackbeard4553]

So basically the SD's main negative trait you bring up would be anti-immigration. But then the way they allowed immigration caused a rise in crime. Were the main parties not aware crime will soar or virtue signaling just felt better at the time?

[@matt7192]

You'd be surprised by how naive many in Swedish academia and leadership are. Saying that more homogeneous societies have better cohesion and social trust is not common sense but a "extremist opinion". They also hardly know a thing about the new people, their previous countries and surprisingly aren't very interested. I'm always kind of amazed by how the same people who talk about the positives of multiculturalism never actually interact with foreigners and their communities.

[@andrepettersson175]

The main parties didn't think crime would become an issue. They seem to have belived that just crossing the border would make everyone have a Swedish mindset and become docile productive members of society. They never bothered with integration beacuse sending all the immigrants to working class neighbourhoods and building asylum centers in the middle of a bumfuck forest in the middle of no where would solve it. They thought not allowing the subject any room in public political discourse for 20+ years would just make it all improve on its own. Only this year... one year before the election has the socialdemocrats actually taken a stance that a year ago would be considered super racist and unthinkable. A few years back a bunch of journos were outraged beacuse they were about to have an asylum center built in their well to do neighbourhood. Simply put yes... it was all about looking virtuous and had nothing to do with actual functional public policy.

[@blackbeard4553]

@@matt7192 No society is completely homogeneous. I believe that a society needs immigration, new minds to solve new problems and help the economy running. Unlimited and unchecked immigration like the Sweden experiment will probably end badly in the long run.

[@comeintotheforest]

The problem most Swedes have from my understanding (I’ve lived in Sweden now for several years and met a wide variety of Swedes) is that the roots of the Sverigedemokraterna (Swedish Democrats) have to do with former nazi associated parties and some extreme social positions that many had. Sweden actually had a significant problem with Neo-nazism throughout the 90s, so I’m not surprised that left a bad taste in the mouth of the average swede. Additionally, a handful of SD politicians have made comments that reveal dehumanization of foreigners. That’s something deeply troubling to the average Swede. I’m politically conservative but I very much understand their apprehension

[@andrepettersson175]

@@comeintotheforest not quite as bad a taste as one would think. The Center party was a nazi party and supported Hitler when it was Bondepartiet and V was the communist party with deep ties to the DDR and USSR. Extremist political party history is very common. S was very pro race biology until the 70s. None of these parties have a leg to stand on.

[@FarsightAE]

Fun fact: SD is a party created by nazis, including an SS-veteran and were openly nazi until 2006. But SD supporters love to disregard, ignore or shift focus from that.

[@timavoievodin3255]

It is bad. But you do you think is good when some left-wing party(like Linke in Germany) was created by communists

[@thehucklebillyfenn]

And the US Democratic Party was led by members of the KKK for over 100 years. Do we throw the baby with the bath water or actually use our eyes and brains that both shows us a party’s policies change overtime to better represent an electorate?

[@FarsightAE]

@Karl Hall Yes

[@FarsightAE]

@@timavoievodin3255 No, communism is also extreme just on the opposite side of the spectrum

[@FarsightAE]

@Karl Hall Better that you vote for M than SD in that case. They haven't grown and their supposed policies are just BS when you look at what they do behind the cameras. The areas where they rule they have sold out elder care to venture capitalists and profits. SD's leader himself even said that he doesnt care who owns the swedish education system, meaning he's willing to sell that out for profit too. They WILL sell out first chance they get and already have in many areas. Right not every party except V is for harsher immigration rules and less immigration so if thats your concern then anything is better than SD.

[@srbtlevse16]

I mean yeah, immigration shouldn't be treated as a left right issue like it is in so many countries. It's completely a logical one, if you NEED immigrants you allow more in and if you don't you simply lower the amount of people that can apply for immigration (even up to 0). Also in countries where one culture and ethnicity is dominant they should look around the sorrounding areas first before inviting people from accross the globe or else there is predictably going to be friction. Not to mention immigrants are an investment (you need to build housing, schools, other infrastructure etc. as the population goes up), and if you don't want to make that investment that's completely understandable.

[@gljames24]

Just because it's rational doesn't make it ethical. If all countries deny immigration many asylum seekers will not be able to leave the hazardous and deadly conditions they are currently. Also if a country's culture and social services are weak enough to be damaged by immigration, they weren't strong to begin with which I don't think is the case in Sweden making the fear of immigration one of insecurity rather than a realistic fear.

[@crappydruigan6452]

@@gljames24 thing is sweden didn't build the infrastructure for all the new imigrants so the 2nd 3d generation imigrants found a community in gangs and such. And a General allianation from Swedish culture people and customs

[@BlueTigerTheLion]

I mean in that logic u shouldnt help others if it doesnt help u (instantly)... And yk thats kind of "bad"

[@xway2]

That makes sense from the purely (civic) nationalistic perspective, but there are other stances as well. The progressive stance is generally that you should always treat humans as humans, and it's not just about what the country needs, but about what it can do to help their situation. This is just as rational or logical as what you're proposing, but starting from a different set of values.

[@davidstern5012]

@@xway2 Cringe values that usually end up in acid attacks, rapes, petty crimes, low social trust, religious and racial tensions, and more surveillance.

[@lmao4982]

I love the cordon sanitaire, it's a beautiful expression of the democracy & parlamentarianism.

[@MaxpunchIDK]

Well people are scared of the unknown. If the government and its agencies aren't able to properly integrate the migrants and there is a build up of paralel societies, then public opinion on imigration for humanitarian reasons will sour. I think most people in the EU are not against humanitarian imigration itself but aren't to keen of the things that are going on in the countries those migrant are fleeing from. So often the thinking is: If they aren't integrating themself into our society and instead they build their own communities, they will just bring the problems with them from which they were fleeing in the first place. I think if the parties in governments aren't implementing succesful integration policies OR properly adressing the mindset of sceptisism against the build up of communies with different cultures, than their will inevitanly be a rise of parties with anti immigration/migrant agendas. It's pretty straight forward.

[@miguelbonifacio9038]

why the fuck do they even let them in for what the exotic restaurants

[@tungsten8332]

@@miguelbonifacio9038 It's because of the declining birth rate. Although, this kind of backfired REALLY hard, considering they might become the majority in a few decades. But, only time will tell.

[@jarnvag1564]

Taking in immigrants is good, but you can’t take in more immigrants then your country is physically, socially and economically able to hold

[@hampuswallin2850]

the Sweden democrats are not a extrem right party, according to the political map, The SD are the least right of all the right parties.

[@steen275]

Woke left: ''LET IN MIGRANT FROM COUNTRIES WITH RADICAL RELIGIOUS IDEOLOGIES'' Woke left: ''WHY ARE THEY RAPING & KILLING US!?''