How Arcane Defied the Western Culture War

[@AnotherCrazyClown]

>Includes diversity >does a very good story >omg how did they do it it's awesome that we can have animations like Arcane but it's incredibly sad that we can't get the minimum quality when it comes to basic stuff like plot, characters and the moment a good show comes out everyone question how did it avoid controversy, by being good duh, just don't suck and people will like it

[@PogausorusRex]

Lmao the comments about S2 being 3/10 are so funny. S2 is not as good as S1 but it's nowhere near as low as 3/10 jesus, some of y'all are just wild.

[@brian0057]

This, so much. I have my problems with season 2. But it's still one of the best shows I've ever seen. If the first season is a 10/10, the second one is an 8/10.

[@trash2290]

3/10 overall is ridiculous but imo if you were to split the ratings into subcategories, the writing would be a solid 3/10. the visuals music and voice actor performances did a lot to keep it all together

[@krashme997]

@@brian0057 Reviews on IMDb somehow rank S2 a lot higher than S1, with ep. 6 getting a 9.8 out of 10 and ep. 7 a 9.7. No episode got anything below 9. Rotten tomatoes ranks S1 at 96% and S2 at 89%. Safe to say most people liked it. From what I've seen, those who didn't like it either: 1) wanted to feel superior by criticizing a widely popular series with the most ridiculous of nitpicks, or 2) wanted the series and characters to develop in a specific way instead of letting the writers take us along for the ride and see were it got us, and they didn't get their way so now it somehow sucks

[@gustavomazonave8536]

​@@krashme997 you got it wrong. There are people that fit this category lf critics, but the plot HAS PROBLEMS. Season 2 had its characters move a predefined plot, while season 1 the characters made the plot move. Thats simplifyint, i cant in one comment alone talk about all of it. Still liked S2, but its plot is dumbed down compared to before. My problem probably, as i watched it roght after having watched Mars Express, hard sci fi movie with great plot

[@krashme997]

@@gustavomazonave8536 Absolutely. I'm not saying there is nothing to criticize, far from it, but simply that those who say the season was "completely ruined" or "straight up terrible" are usually part of those two categories.

[@rowandavis2061]

The complaints about Isha are a little dumb imo because you're not forced to have feelings for her (her death didn't impact me on a super emotional level), but the impact she has on Jinx is really interesting to watch. So what if she is just a plot device? She's a fantastic plot device; she's there to prove that Jinx can change, and I love the direction they went with it.

[@Pelerin985]

Me too. I figured out quite soon she was going out few episodes later, but she was a great tool for Jinx emotional and personal growth as a character

[@krashme997]

Agreed. Isha might be a plot device, but what's the harm? She's there for a reason, and it works. Jinx has always had a child-like mind, and as with any child, she's going to be very easy to influence by those around her rather than by a cause like Jayce, Viktor, or Silco. First, Vi made Powder and then kickstarted Jinx, Silco developed Jinx and tried to bury Powder, and within the vaccum his death left, Isha brought out Powder again because she mirrored what Powder always wanted to be and put Jinx in the role of a big sister. With that in mind, it's not hard to understand why Jinx matured and got more responsible. Powder always "wanted to help", and Jinx slowly reconciled with that side of her personality.

[@BrutalSalamander1]

We also have to consider that Arcane was originally planned to span across like 5-6 seasons. But because that was deemed too ambitious they had to somehow cram all the rest into the second season which is why some plot points felt rushed. It's honestly impressive what they managed to achieve even under those conditions. Unfortunately it forced them to cut corners on some story aspects. Isha likely would've been far more if the full vision of the show had come to fruition.

[@rowandavis2061]

@BrutalSalamander1 I don't recall ever hearing the creators say that they had written 5 seasons of content, just that multiple seasons had been considered at an early stage, but was then revised to 2 soon after. Doesn't matter to me now, though, since I'm satisfied with what we got in the final product.

[@zackakai5173]

​@@BrutalSalamander1 - "We also have to consider that Arcane was originally planned to span across like 5-6 seasons." What's your source for this claim?

[@jwolfpackminecrafter]

I truly and honestly think that Arcane would of done better if they had the time to make a longer season to flesh out all the ideas they had for the story. All the plot points separated and fleshed out more would of built up everything better. I feel like they wanted to keep the same episode structure as the first season but had a lot of ground to cover to get to the end product. Idk what do you think?

[@WickedHumor]

I think corporate pressures, deadlines, and Netflix wanting to keep shorter episodes pushed some story out and they had to prioritize. I wish we could have got even 1-2 more scenes per episode, I think that would have made a huge difference.

[@C-Farsene_5]

@@WickedHumor iirc it was riot who wanted to shorten things

[@OneTomato]

Let’s also not forget they have a very small budget

[@WickedHumor]

@@OneTomato Well if your project already costs $250 million, and you don't start recouping until its released, and its been in development for years already, you will be tempted to limit spending and shorten deadlines. Not saying they should have done it, but I get why they did.

[@WickedHumor]

@@C-Farsene_5 Unfortunate, but understandable. I wonder if Christian & Alex were forced into a corner and had to make do.

[@Kapppa]

Sorry for getting too political or not political enough, I'm gonna go back to just watching Japanese anime now

[@ZachX888]

0:42 Speaking of, please tell me which anime that is I soooo need to know. xD That's on the top of the list for most random shit I've seen from anime lol.

[@Kapppa]

​@@ZachX888 Azazel-san. I just watched it after seeing clips and gifs of it floating around for years and lemme tell ya, totally worth it. Considering making a video on it between this current season and the next

[@ZachX888]

@@Kapppa lmao nice. Reminds me of how Scamboli makes videos on old obscure anime sometimes, it's a great idea! Also the video where you listed the anime names was great, still love "African American Lagoon" lol. xD Any particular reason you stopped putting anime names in the corner? Just curious.

[@urtoryu_dy_althraidn]

How Arcane avoided the culture war? Being good. That's how. It's as simple as that.

[@JacF6734]

"Why did audiences like this old show that had minority characters in it and not this new show that had minority characters in it?" It's the writing. Audiences will like anything in a series as long as the writing is good.

[@Riuyilmistico]

S2 is everything but good.

[@urtoryu_dy_althraidn]

@@Riuyilmistico I VERY HEAVILY disagree.

[@chickensalad3535]

@@RiuyilmisticoThats just a bad opinion.

[@Viktor_Nation882]

Viktor nation, how we feeling?

[@andreirachko]

Gloriously evolved ✨

[@Reggie_DTI]

Jabe? Jayce be not…

[@adrianbyg5553]

What is this whole viktor how we feling thing? And jabe jayce?

[@Reggie_DTI]

@@adrianbyg5553 it’s a meme

[@ConfuzzledCreations]

Jayce… jaybe, or jaybe not?

[@CosmicFilms-007]

Simple really, good writing, and writing real people, not cardboard cut outs to preach a message

[@PeachHeadzAddiction]

Had a blast watching this, awesome edits in here too hahah

[@Joshy2-SF]

10:32 I heard the framerate was 4fps to match the 4 second limit on Ekko's Z-drive.

[@emn2375]

I hate the standard anything vaguely progressive is held to. If you have bad writing and gay/poc characters, it's the forced woke agenda. If there are no gay/poc characters it's allowed to just be mid media because the writing is poor.

[@sportenapfeltorten2095]

jup thats true. I think you just summoned up the content of "the critical drinker" ant the like.

[@sofariiii]

That is soooo true and i’m glad to see someone point that out

[@AnotherCrazyClown]

First take it might be wrong, the public didn't stopped from enjoying media, media got too lame to enjoy anything without feeling pushed, annoying and preachy

[@animalobsessed1]

The idea that anime has "plenty" of diversity is so weird to me. Sure, you have gay anime (usually targeted at women, not at the type of people it's actually depicting), you have lesbian anime (usually targeted at men, not at the type of people it's actually depicting), and you have anime with gender-nonconforming characters (usually depicted as the punchline of a joke) but um... that's not what diversity is. Mainstream "popular" anime series rarely have properly developed characters that I would call "diverse." Key words here being "properly developed."

[@out_reacher]

FINALLY A SANE ANIME TAKE THIS COMMENT NEEDS TO BE STUDIED IN SCHOOLS

[@noctuabird]

@@out_reacherAGREED

[@GiulianoVenturo]

3:01 "Chinese" insert a korean girl in the Olympics* xD what best way to end the year with a based video

[@jonathanvilario5402]

No offense, but I feel like you're framing anything you don't like as a "western" problem. Some writing is just bad because the writing is bad. There doesn't have to be a conspiracy-agenda when a writer is too preachy about their "morals". Some writers are just bad at writing and it has more to do with bad skill than society as a whole. You'd know this if you've ever tried writing a book like I have. Not all stories have to be interpreted as propaganda, some stories are just poorly written and it just means profit-driven mainstream media props up garbage storytelling for dumb audiences instead of real works of art

[@emn2375]

If I see woke and western agenda being used unironically I know what kind of person I'm about to hear from 💀

[@TheRevenantEdits]

My only gripe with the series is that I think the final episode should've been split into a three-part finale special to really give the various intermingling subplots in it time to breathe. That or, have the conflict against Ambessa be the focal point of S2 and Viktor's "Glorious Evolution" be the focal point of a 3rd & final season (this would even allow a lot of subplots in S2 more time to breathe). The show's still pretty good as is though, but that's really my only gripes. Oh, and something to add... notice how at least most (if not a lot) of the YT channels dedicated to "wokespotting" (if you will) didn't target Arcane? Heck, there's a ton of them that even praised Arcane.

[@chickensalad3535]

I agree

[@NicolasSorzano-nm3uw]

I always thought it was strange for no Anti-woke youtuber to make no videos on Arcane. The truth is that they would have been estén alive, since the show was do good. They only make videos on bad movies to gain some audience by dumping on them, since they're easy targets, but the moment a "good woke" show comes along, they avoid it like the plagued or act as if it was actually "Anti woke" all along. They did this with the Mario movie. They hated on it and called it woke but as soon as the movie came out, they twisted their narrative, because they can't deal with something being woke and good at the same time. Pretty sad really.

[@Sincere_3]

Honestly, I’ve learned to believe that there is no such thing as “wokeness” in shows or video games or movies etc, there’s only bad writing and bad ideas. That’s it. 80% of the people who label things as “woke” only say that to hide their prejudice

[@jacklupen5337]

I'm kind of surprised that almost no reactionary commentator has the balls to make a typical rage bait video targeted towards Arcane and spend the rest of the duration yapping about what it's woke and all that. Part of me thinks that they're too afraid to even go that route because the show is universally loved and praised despite the flaws of the second season as well as the queerness that is also present in the show, something which they would've certainly loved to tear down.

[@EctoNecto]

The editing is insane, 6:24 had me rolling Edit- died at 6:44

[@idkanymore1282]

THIS VIDEO IS SO WELL MADE HOW IS IT SOO UNDERRATED

[@allencline2954]

Seems woke

[@tactishovel2247]

It feels weird to see a video with a title like this that isn't an hour long essay.

[@Miles-Morales-q3w]

Bro wtf did I just watch 😭 Anyways great video

[@Christiigirly]

WHY IS THIS EDITING SO GOOD HELP 🙌🏻🙌🏻🙌🏻

[@Hyena917]

I personally didn't like season 2, it was both too much and too fast for me but I also miss the balance of politics, magic and fights as well as calmer moments we had in Season 1. This overly magic/science fiction thing with the Hextech, time traveling, multiple universes etc. just wasn't something for me. Not gonna lie though the intro at 1:38 was cool

[@JadeTheAdventurer]

1:54 THOSE 3 SECONDS OF SPACEBOY'S MIXTAPE FROM OMORI CAUGHT ME OFF GUARD. Love this video

[@Saturn-hj7fl]

Arcane is one of the only good masterpieces that came out of the media in this era.

[@Howza_the_lego_guy7784]

8:06 What frosting 😭

[@C-Farsene_5]

I think the most notable is how the writers managed to justify the politics of the series, a lot of the woke calling I hear is mostly just cos noob writers did poorly on certain morals and values that are considered political

[@sodathejunker]

Nothing feels forced to check a bullet point and the writing makes all these characters feel unapologetically honest and authentic. The Black characters feel very Black in a culturally honest way, but never once is it mentioned or brought up in dialogue. The romantic dynamics are organic and not only feel earned when we see them blossom, but aren’t footnoted. We see the struggles loving someone brings without superficial situations curating them. The dichotomy between Piltover and Zaun isn’t just realistic but it’s authentic in how the various leaders are motivated to maintain or disrupt the status quo. The hopelessness and despair that pushes one to take lives, including their own, is showcased purely in such great character narratives that by the time we get there we think “yeah, someone in their situation would very likely cope that way or choose that answer, even if it’s right or wrong.” The show gives us time to really understand every facet of these characters and the dynamics between them in a real and organic way. No need to virtue signal when all their actions are believable and yet speak louder than any words. Arcane is a premium example of what majority people actually are saying: They approve of diversity and inclusion, but no one wants it forced and shoved down their throats by people who don’t actually care. We want provocative art that stimulates thought, not controversial advertisements meant to lecture.

[@kdvtea]

with all the attention to detail and how amazing arcane s1 and s2 look, made me despise s2 purely due to how badly they butchered the story. the "this close to greatness" just makes the flaws stand out so much more which is really unfortunate.

[@e1m0k44]

I wish more western series did what arcane does, make a good product instead of using Lgbtq and poc's as human shields for bad writing and general bad everything.

[@TheRevenantEdits]

Make it louder for everyone in the back! (Ahem, ahem... Marvel & DC)

[@Pathetic-Ali]

Happy New Year Kap! 🎉

[@Kapppa]

Happy New Year boo

[@Bichletmepickaname]

Fire video

[@nostalji93]

Soo with "Western" you mean the USA?

[@augth]

Arcane was made by a French studio.

[@nostalji93]

@@augth yeah and this video clearly represents a murican perspective on the story.

[@M4A1-M16A1]

Kapppa is a GODDAYUM YAPPER

[@erichamilton9753]

The most diverse country is noxus

[@DJ_Music_Man2]

What is woke anyway?

[@ZachX888]

3:19 Oh hey was that trail effect an Edgerunner's reference? It's pretty dope either way.

[@h0rn3d_h1st0r1an]

6:41 it’s actually been confirmed Jayce is supposed to be Mexican!

[@TheHawkssong]

And they messed all that up in season 2

[@justturbo8573]

I get your piont with the whole diversity thing and i recommend looking into pyrocynicals theroy about how some higher power pushs stuff like this for sales and shit. I think the best diversity is when its added from actual writers intent like arcane or the owl house compared to just adding it in for good boy points like a strange world and lightyear Also what your describing is called pink washing and as someone who wouldn't mind more diversity in films and tv its annoying and i fucking hate it Great video thou

[@gattotrash5720]

Wasn't outraged by the second season. Didn't deserve the first season. Can't take the guy seriously.

[@joaovictorpessoaqueiroz4783]

How long did you take to edit this video? 🤔

[@ozzell]

I honestly think the culture war is a bit of a grift. None of the grifters dear attack something that is already universally beloved

[@SexySauron-iv5js]

Biggest example is Baldur's Gate 3. It has everything that they hate, yet they're silent because they can't deny that the game is a universal success and is universally loved.

[@soffren]

I am going to clip SO much of this.

[@DOG_EATER_1887]

I miss season 1 already bro

[@nerdaholic3000]

peak edit.

[@sagehawk12]

I've literally just started only watching anime because of this.

[@mokadelic4037]

Arcane isn't an anime. It's an animated tv series.

[@MoonBunnyLovers]

What a boring Western argument you make. Ask a Japanese kid. Minions is an anime. They say comic and talk about a manga. It's like... It doesn't really matter?!?

[@GiulianoVenturo]

Honestly most mature ppl or OG weebs know that now a day that doesn't matter at all. Before it was way "easier" to tell the difference between an animated series vs an "anime". But now even if arcane is an "anime" s2 still suck so nothing changes 😂

[@ChimeraLotietheBunny]

Ohhh

[@TheZeroDav]

the marvel 90s is were it stop being = to anime

[@fakesmile172]

A large amount of anime is partially made in Korea anyway lol To paraphrase MercuryFalcon: Scott Pilgrim [Takes Off] is an anime because it has a bad dub.

[@Alpha1918]

The hate of season 2 is very strange to me. Part of me believes that due to the push of and backlash to woke media, our culture developed a defense mechanism where every new release gets a ton of hate. Just like chemotherapy really. The bad products are shot down, but good ones also get crapped on.

[@Goondawgs]

It should have been Vi and Jinx romance fr not this bs

[@_YouTube-User_]

It should have been Vi and Jinx

[@Goondawgs]

@@_KZbin-User_ right, my dumbass mixed character names again

[@_YouTube-User_]

@Goondawgs You probably didn't, i mean the sisters should have gotten together.

[@ZachX888]

1:55 omg you really are appealing to our age demographic. xd EDIT: 1:56 That text has made me die of old age. 😫

[@AM70764]

What we call diversity is not about hair colour. Personally I can't even think of one gay character in popular anime, that's what you call diversity?

[@AetheriusComics]

I'm completely confused by this Anime has definitely not avoided the western culture war because they already had it in anime.

[@sammyj77]

Ok bro i love ur videos but ur definition of anime is terrible. There are serious animated tv shows, in fact why are we calling anime of all things serious animated shows?

[@Kapppa]

Well, ultimately there really is no truly accepted definition for "anime" for Westerners. I agree that it's dumb to define it how I did in the video, but that's why I used a redneck caricature to define cartoon stereotypes. In other words I agree with you and only said what I said to make the point that you can consider Arcane anime.

[@sagehawk12]

For the sake of communication, his definition works well.

[@sammyj77]

​@@Kapppa thats fair

[@Thephantommenace66]

Only 9000 views?

[@twentysecondcenturywoman]

Hi im just here to say i love arcane

[@augmented8939]

3:08 lmao

[@CypherAnime-n1g]

Bros editing is like a drug

[@Salkinator]

idk who this man is but he funny

[@alessandrogarofalo9951]

Bro, the editing for this video is on a whole nother level 😮 instant like and subscribe, you're now my favorite professional yapper on this site 😂

[@fgregerfeaxcwfeffece]

And the final season will focus on Bandle City shortly before the anti spiral invasion. Then Rumble will save the universe with a Giga Drill Break.

[@HevadeWe]

"I'm not saying that Japan cannot make good CGI, they can" .... while "they can" is said over a shot of Berserk 2016 .... 😑brother please, I'm trying to forget the existence of that abomination...

[@fernandocuenperez6190]

LOVED the video! It was hilarious and, imo, very truthful and on point with the culture war and the evolution of the art industry, immediately subscribed. If you´ve seen One Piece, I'd love to see a video on it. If not, watch it; it does very well what Arcane does with diversity, world-building, character depth, and non-wokeness (and it´s amazing at tying up all the crazy plot points it´s actually fucked). To me, it´s the greatest piece of fiction of our time, and I´d love to hear your thoughts on it. Long as hell, but that´s part of its beauty hahaha Keep up the good work; the editing and commenting had me dying!

[@theofficialdetectivepikach3262]

I understand that people think season 2 was rushed and i agree but i think its better for it to be rushed then it is to be super drawn out. I still think arcane season 2 was better than season one but both are amazing and 10/10 in my opinion

[@stasmeljnikov]

Totally agree.

[@yunifluffy8217]

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[@RDrawzDragonz]

agree !!!

[@JacF6734]

Weeb Max0r is back, yippee! 🥳

[@TheyCalledMeT]

YES .. people who HAPPEN to fill a checkbox .. not people who are DEFINED by their checkboxes ..

[@DanielS2001]

A well developed story and multilayered characters will always be what audiences go for.

[@raistormrs]

Well, it does help to have a writing staff that is immersed into league for many years already and not under some hollywood thumbs and it also helps, to have a bunch of crazy people in paris doing the animation. because the entire wokism stuff is something, paris had going for quite some time, so long that they are actually on the forefront of resisting to, what has become of it, le wokisme is a thing from the 1960s and the olympics has triggered a lot of parisians, like a lot of them. And parisians are not like normal people, or normal french for that matter. if you push them too far, they burn stuff, prefferably cars for some weird reason... anyway, not the point, having people involved that see all this as really old news and know how to deal with it, should have helped considerably. Then there is the german guy who worked on TV shows in germany that existed on that fine line always in danger to go too far, the guy knows how to be subtile. there are many factors but you can sum it all up into, they are not hollywood and they are not into making a quick buck through controversy.

[@stefanb115]

I remember there is a name for Chinese anime

[@Kapppa]

@@stefanb115 probably thinking of manhua, which is Chinese manga

[@clover6579]

donghua

[@Mialikesthings]

@@Kapppa Donghua refers to Chinese anime. Calling Link Clink an anime in the LC fandom may lead to a backlash.

[@guesta9822]

China doesn’t even call their animation “anime”. @MadeByBilibili

[@ZachX888]

3:09 Ninjago mentioned! :D

[@henri191]

Arcane is how wokes see themselves, The Acolyte is how Wokes are.

[@hello-lz4xj]

is this an insult because I haven't watched the Acolyte

[@Riggswolfe]

Arcane is how "wokes" are. The Acolyte is how right wingers see Woke people.

[@henri191]

​@@hello-lz4xj This is an insult, and a great insult, Arcane is everything the Wokes wanted to be: successful, well written, exciting, captivating, great entertainment, Acolyte is how they are: failed, poorly written, forced, poorly made, terrible entertainment.

[@Mialikesthings]

Arcane is woke, though.

[@jepompom455]

I call it a cartoon

[@Kapppa]

ur mom's a cartoon

[@SnowRaver-p2v]

Season 2 is only good because Spin the Wheel heimer sings

[@Miles-Morales-q3w]

Wrong

[@zackakai5173]

Well that, and the entire rest of season 2.

[@Seissmo]

Don't usually like that genre of song but when it's attached to a good show it doesn't even matter what genre it is. Heimerdinger got pipes.

[@chukyuniqul]

Season 2's shortcomings are only exacerbated by the fact that this is it. We're not getting more. And it fell short in ways that FEEL so preventable. Like, I'd genuinely not mind if it went the Squid Game S2 approach.

[@jaka4470]

4:39 Houseki no Kuni mentioned

[@BrickDaniels-qu7bz]

I watched the first season, and it was good. I did not watch the second season because it would be bad. What says you in this video? Time will tell.

[@Miles-Morales-q3w]

So ur only listening to popular opinion?

[@BrickDaniels-qu7bz]

@@Miles-Morales-q3w Yup. I love democracy.

[@zackakai5173]

@@BrickDaniels-qu7bz ah so you let popular zeitgeist do your thinking for you.

[@Sincere_3]

Just watch it for yourself. A lot of people liked it, you might like it too

[@skyler1469]

Because they are like real characters without being only woke

[@AdelinChiran]

That's how the majority of gay people are and that's the kind of representation we want and need. Sadly most shows with gay main characters are forced to centre their entire identity on being a gay love story. If the protagonists happen to be gay & in love, the show is automatically categorized as Boys / Girls Love. An example of this is Yuri on Ice. The reason why the kissing scene was hidden by an arm was because of the strict guidelines of Japanese TV. Had the kiss not been censored, it would've been categorized as BL and not as a sports anime. The gay relationships in Arcane were censored in multiple countries, like China. You should Google it, it's really funny seeing Cait & Vi leaning their heads on nothing. 😂 So maybe what we need is more understanding & tolerance and less stereotypes. (Note that I didn't watch the video as I have the attention span of an iPad kid.😅)

[@austincde]

France erasure 💀💀💀

[@Xetrill]

"S2 isn't perfect"-that's putting it generously. It's over-the-top dumb and mindless, only retaining the visual spectacle and otherwise lacking any of the qualities that made S1 truly great. It sucks, 3/10. If S1 never happened it could've been an averagely-bad-2024 show. With S1, its far below that. Only BioWare's writing was worse, but here it was your own fault if you had any expectations.

[@krashme997]

Objectively? You're wrong. Subjectively? It's your opinion, but a terrible one at that. Sounds more like a frustrated tantrum from a child that didn't get what they wanted rather than a review tbh.

[@zackakai5173]

To each their own. I loved it and thought it was every bit the equal of the first half of the story. Sorry you got too distracted by spectacle and couldn't follow any of the plot or character beats, I guess?

[@hoiinka8884]

It showed the stability of lesbian relationships very well.

[@kerhabplays]

Very stable indeed

[@JetstreamKage]

season 1 was 10/10 season 2 is a 3/10 at best entirely because the animation is good

[@Miles-Morales-q3w]

Ur tripping

[@RDrawzDragonz]

no, season 2 wasnt as good as season 1 but no way a 3/10, its more like a 8/10 instead of season 1s 10/10

[@alejandrovallejo4330]

No no no no, you way to try and define anime sucks ass. Anime is defined by the art style of the series resembling or imitating manga style drawing or visuals. Aka, the characters and the art style look as if they came from manga. That is what anime is. That’s why we call some Chinese animation anime, because it looks like manga. That’s why we can debatably call avatar the last air bender anime sometimes, because the art style and expressions of the characters resemble manga.

[@Mialikesthings]

Donghua is not anime

[@guesta9822]

Anime is not an art style it’s just cartoons from Japan. doraemon and panty & stocking are anime that don’t have that typical anime look or storylines. Avatar is a cartoon made by Americans animated mostly in Korea grouped with other Nickelodeon cartoons like sponge bob and fairy odd parents.

[@guesta9822]

@Mialikesthingsthis. China doesn’t even call their animation anime. They have their own Chinese word for animation.

[@alejandrovallejo4330]

@Mialikesthings no idea what that is, but if it looks like manga it’s anime, like it or not.

[@alejandrovallejo4330]

@@guesta9822 I didn't say anime was an artstyle. Manga is the art style characteristic of what we call anime. In respect to Doraemon and Panty & Stocking they do have anime characteristics, mainly big eyes and triangle nose. But ok, lets say they don't fit the definition and we can consider them anime. Doesn't matter, you can find exceptions in every definition, what matters is which definition is best. I never said otherwise about Avatar. So what if it's drawn by americans? Doesn't matter, what matters is the art style and animation style, among maybe other things for it to be considered anime. I don't see what point you think you are making here since this is irrelevant. If Death Note was made by Nickelodeon by that same team, but still looked like it does it would still be anime regardless.

[@kaspersteiermark115]

because none of theier personalities are based around being gay

[@kampanja06]

- Strong women with male traits - Weak, impotent men Not woke. Huh?

[@Sincere_3]

Me when I’m trying to find the littlest problems ever

[@Forge6007]

So victor, silco, Jayce don’t exist now?

[@augth]

Jinx isn't strong by any metric, she's deeply deranged and dependent on others. Vander and Ekko are definitely strong men.