How are NATO’s tanks gonna help Ukraine?

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This video explores recent armor combat vehicle pledges to Ukraine. What will all those tank models mean for Ukraine? How might they fare and how might they affect the battlefield?
0:00 - Introduction
0:20 - Britain announces to send 14 challenger 2s to Ukraine
1:00 - Other NATO countries join in and send their own armor to Ukraine
2:00 - Background on the armored vehicles sent to Ukraine before January
3:30 - What changed for NATO countries to send their own armor
4:20 - Comparison of Russian T-72B3 with NATO tanks
5:20 - Importance of good sights and fire control computer in modern battlefield
6:10 - Threat from Russian ATGMs (Kornets)
7:32 - Threats to tanks and the evolution of tank warfare
9:15 - Statistics on tank losses
10:38 - Tank-on-tank combat
11:45 - Tanks ammunition
13:04 - Tanks weight comparison of Challenger2, Leopard2, T-72B3
13:47 - Engines comparison
14:20 - What would really help Ukraine
15:22 - Initial numbers of tanks pledged to Ukraine
15:42 - Will initially announced IFVs be enough
16:23 - Combination of tanks and IFVs on the battlefield
16:57 - Bottlenecks: Numbers of tanks available and maintenance
19:15 - Outro
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Can you do a video on this conflict and base it on what if no country sent any weapons or ammunition how would Ukraine fair

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[@rowaystarco]

@@martinilopez1 Yeah MAGAs and such. But they are bought by russians, so they count as russian.

[@AndresAlfaroAtonal]

USA does the same

[@craftpaint1644]

How toxic is NATO? They could have ended the war years ago but allowed Ukraine to get bombarded from one end to the other and their Army to bleed white. 🐻👩‍🎨🇺🇸/👁️\🇷🇺

[@captainfatfoot2176]

As a Canadian I must say that our four tanks probably aren’t enough to warrant being in the thumbnail

[@jackobite68]

but are tanks say sorry after sending a heat round

[@markus717]

it's the thought that counts. We're probably giving 25% of all of our working tanks!

[@notastone4832]

dude we only have 80 to defend an even larger area than ukraine..

[@Crashed131963]

There are 30 Nato countries so they add up fast .

[@zarinth]

You guys have tanks? I thought you only have maple syrups.

[@allthenewsordeath5772]

If I’m being honest, I think this first shipment of western tanks is mostly just to make sure they can train crews on these platforms and set up proper logistics before sending more of them, the US has literally thousands of Abrams in storage in Texas so it’s not a quantity issue

[@user-mg4cn6wm1u]

That's my read on it. If this is truly the intent the US could begin the work of stripping the depleted uranium armor from those Abrams and training lots of Ukrainians on them now/soon. They'd then be ready to drown Ukraine in Abrams tanks in a year when the support infrastructure is built up in Poland. They wouldn't tell us this was happening for a while though.

[@nightwatch2686]

US cannot send any tanks from storage because they dont want the armour tech to fall into Russian hands. All Abrams tanks for Ukraine will have to be manufactured from scratch.

[@patclark2186]

@@user-mg4cn6wm1u I find it hard to believe that somehow the DU armor on those tanks is still secret after all these years. After all The Soviets stole everything from a B 29 to plans for the first A-Bomb. The Chinese copied a Trident missile the Pershing II and the YF 23. I say leave the DU armour on; it might help. And if it get captured, it will take the Russians 5+ years to figure out a counter to it. I suspect some E-4 tanker gave the DU secret away 20 years ago.

[@03056932]

it could never be that the US wants to send a trickle to stalemate the conflict, enrich the military industrial complex and drain russian resources and its economy, could it? come on people it's 2023 you have to start analysing events from every side to have a chance of making an informed opinion.

[@falconeaterf15]

I used to play an M1A1 computer sim that was amazing. The US Army bought it and it disappeared from the internet. Simulated training is very advanced these days and I’m sure being used to help Ukraine.

[@cz1589]

Today, an dutch leopard 2 tank commander said training is possible in 5 weeks indeed. 1. People who already have tanker experience like with the T-72 2. Leopards were designed for conscripts to man them 3. Current training often goes 5 days a week so can be intensified a lot 4. Also, motivated Ukrainians seem to boost it as well. Its not the same as regular training, knowing you will go to war and need to defend your country right away. Its adds focus and willpower to learn.

[@adamjaquay4279]

I think a more objective question is in order. Why send small battalion amounts of AFV. The M1A2 tanks being sent do not have depleted Uranium armour, the new state of the art targeting systems nor the new APFSDS rounds( realistically M1A1 1990 variant, still very very good but not best)... so in essence we are sending tanks we no longer have in service( also other NATO tanks). I think Ukraine would be better served with updated T-72/80 which they have infrastructure to support. Not four battalions of western tanks with minimal power.

[@hazzardalsohazzard2624]

@@adamjaquay4279 I'm predicting they'll be attached as reserve units for the hardest fighting on whatever front. Try to save on wear to reduce maintenance, while still making better use of the things that make them a better tank in video games. Think the super heavy tanks used by the Germans during WW2. It's not a workhorse, it's too much work to keep it running as hard as a tank at the front.

[@jannegrey593]

Yes and no. 5 weeks is without command training to people that already know what they are doing and it is only "initial training" (especially for the loader for obvious reasons). And yes, current training is 5 days a week with 8 hours a day - that can be massively improved. From memory some of the Gepard trainees did 7 days a week for 14-16 hours a day. It's less of a training to be a tanker it's more of retraining active unit that is in a fight (currently on rotation) on new equipment. With that said, it will still be on the company level and the crews will need additional training, especially once the bigger batches start to arrive. Ukraine NEEDS at least 500 of Western tanks and this is absolute minimum. For number of IFV's, you have to multiply the number of tanks by anything in between 1.4 to 3 times as much.

[@ginoomarramirezolivera470]

Otan fail 🤣🤣🤡

[@zix_zix_zix]

Experienced tank crews can EASILY learn how to operate ANY tank in less than 5 weeks. It is not rocket science!

[@MrHeavy466]

Finally, with the addition of the Challenger 2s, the Ukrainians will have frontline tea brewing capability.

[@FrancisHegarty]

Finally. Someone has pointed out the most important tank innovation in the history of warfare. The ability to brew a good cup of tea anywhere. 👌

[@Mcsqw]

To be fair - Ukraine can get a bit chilly. Nice cup of tea will do wonders for morale.

[@ZZizitt]

@@Mcsqw Not sure there is enough space for fresh lemon, ginger root, mint, dried Rosehip berries, solid honey and all the other stuff I'm used to put into a teapot.

[@xxparan01axx11]

@@ZZizitt we can just send a shipment of Yorkshire tea bags 🙂

[@metaljewelgaming]

@@xxparan01axx11 @thespiffingbrit can we get a like on this comment?

[@jtwilliams8895]

It’s kind of odd to send a bunch of completely different tank systems to a hot war zone in small numbers.

[@SpicyTake]

Desperation

[@Sombody123]

Well, just because it's awkward at first, doesn't mean it can't be done and adapted into. Certainly better than none or trying to futilely prop up Soviet tank production in Ukraine.

[@SpicyTake]

@@Sombody123 This is also futile. They started the war with 2000 tanks. Received another 350 since. Now we are arguing over 50.

[@aybars_inci]

@@Shinshocks i was waiting for this stupid joke with 0 contribution to the topic.

[@UAGoWSuplexer]

@Shinshocks cry kid ukraine won and owns lussia

[@T33K3SS3LCH3N]

4:00 To clarify once more, the vast majority of Russian "T-72B3M" do not have a thermal for the commander. Only a handful of true T-72B3M with the CITV (Commander's independent thermal viewer) exist. The reason for this confusion is the following: 1. 2010: the baseline B3 upgrade without CITV. 2. 2014: A small number B3 obr. 2014 are built for the Tank Olympics. These have a CITV. 3. 2016: T-72B upgraded from now on become B3 obr. 2016. This is an improvement of the baseline B3, NOT of B3 obr. 2014! They do NOT have a CITV! The problem is that both the 2014 and 2016 versions got called B3M by some people, or that it is believed that obr 2016 is an improvement of obr 2014. That's where the myth of "hundred of B3M with CITV" comes from.

[@richardkudrna1450]

Would you clarify which T72 uses the TVNE-4B optic? Does Ukraine operate these vintage items?

[@dinhnguyen2110]

Also, how much Russian gear is floating around on EBAY right now? And did the Russian crews actually participate in their last training/drilling session or did they just report that they did and just stayed home drinking vodka instead?

[@sniperjared]

@@dinhnguyen2110 underestimating an adversary is the dumbest possible thing you can do

[@duncanshepherd2119]

@@sniperjared 3 days to Kiev would be a glowing example of massive underestimation of an adversary.

[@sniperjared]

@@duncanshepherd2119 yes it would be, why repeat their mistake?

[@GrandAdmThrawn]

Poland has sent "officialy" at least 230 T-72M1R plus an unknown number of PT-91 last year. Now, more PT-91s and Leo 2.

[@section7173]

The Ukrainian and US propaganda covering up the fact that Russia is decimating everything thrown at it. Zelenskyy needs to go back to wearing dresses.

[@sababugs1125]

@@section7173 you sure about that ?

[@dipacalypse1092]

@@sababugs1125 YES

[@dchex23]

Scrap metal on Day 1 😂

[@dipacalypse1092]

@@dchex23 its better to just send helmets?

[@tobiwan001]

The Leopard 2A6 is not the latest version. The German Army is in the progress to upgrade all to either A7 or A7V, which are still quite an upgrade to A6. Especially, in terms of sensors and electronics. But Ukraine will get the A6 and A4. The Abrams has the same gun as the A4.

[@Maurice_Moss]

The challenger 2 isn't either

[@tusidex5228]

Interesting if Ukraine will get ammo with depleted uranium for Abrams. Americans don’t really export that but recently Poles were allowed to buy it.

[@DZ477]

@@tusidex5228 From what the news is saying, they won't get depleted uranium armor. It will be replaced with tungsten.

[@tobiwan001]

@@tusidex5228 as Ukrainians might still want to live in Ukraine they probably should not use DU rounds. The Americans only use it because they never had a war at home.

[@tobiwan001]

@@Maurice_Moss you mean the challenger 3? It is not yet in use.

[@carlalm6100]

I wonder why the US has not sent M60s to Ukraine. They have hundreds in storage, especially the A3 variant the USMC used during Desert Storm were quite effective vs. T72s then. 400 of those could be way more useful than 31 Abrams.

[@norbertszekeres867]

Probably the the abrams are better conditions , when things are not used tend to be rusty .

[@VajrahahaShunyata]

I have been saying this for months. Even as a second wave after a push through orc lines as a mop up mobile cannon n machine gun. Send them...

[@carlalm6100]

Seem to me to be low hanging fruit. Sure, they have been mothballed since 1997, but they could all have been refurbished by now.

[@cjclark1208]

I’d rather they not send our whole supply of upkeep storage military equipment and supplies, but fk me I’m just a random American peasant amirite?

[@hans2936]

@@cjclark1208 The m60 has been completely out of use since the 90's and aren't even on our reserve lists. Even if we were in an active war we have thousands of abrams in storage that we'd never realistically use an m60

[@thejac0b1te36]

You said all that and didn't mention probably the most important thing about all these Western vehicles. Link-16. The situational awareness that will be provided by them when in theatre will be like night and day. This, more than anything, will have a huge impact and could be argued is the reason they perform so well in conflict. When all used and linked together, they are frighteningly effective.

[@PTParatrooper]

This guy plays too much War Thunder, his vehicle analysis steer mostly from that game.

[@gaborbravo1]

Situational awareness of Western tanks will be enhanced probably by drones using thermal sights.

[@MrMrmoore2013]

We don’t give the Ukrainians direct access to stuff like that we tell them what we see and they act

[@NotUnymous]

@@MrMrmoore2013 dont say "we" because Germany equiped them with modern tech in this regard. Poland probably did too (Not sure about that tho).

[@voidtempering8700]

@@NotUnymous Nothing the Germans sent has Link 16, so he is still correct, nothing the West has sent uses data link.

[@onebridge7231]

This war is so brutal that even the Abrams has a high probability of loss in the first couple of weeks. It’s more about the tactics used.

[@Sombody123]

So far Ukraine's tactics have worked pretty well. They can't afford to slip up much yet though.

[@KondorDCS]

@@Sombody123 What tactics? Mad human wave attacks into mass russian artillery fire, that has depleted the AFU's manpower so much that their comissars have to snatch men off the streets? If you refer to the tactic of depleting their armed forces' manpower, then you are right.

[@Sombody123]

@@KondorDCS You are just describing the failings of Russian tactics, not Ukrainian. We call it "projecting".

[@Sombody123]

@cis this Yeah, but when like 95%+ lies come from one side, it's not the same.

[@donflamingo795]

@@Sombody123 oh you will be surprised when the MSM finally reveal the truth next 2 months.

[@highjumpstudios2384]

Seems like Ukraine still has its work cut out for it is what I'm hearing. People keep treating this war like one system is going to swing it wildly in one sides favor. Either way thanks for your work!

[@Seb656]

There is no "wunderwaffe" that will change this war. At this point it's a war of attrition that will grind on till one side gets tired or runs out of soldiers. Both sides consider this fundamental to their survival so this will likely grind on for years.

[@javierfrancia1938]

NATO tanks are not going to help at all, they are going to be a burden, tank transfers are a rip-off from the arm dealers to the donating countries taxpayers

[@amadeuz8161]

The media/streamers are promoting 1 system because it sounds good when you promote that game changer. Most that has some kind of military training should know that you need a combination of everything in somewhat balanced amounts according to terrain. I assume they are running out of tanks so the new tanks will give em a better balance again and thus make a change. I did not say the have lost all their tanks just out of tanks that includes the ones with broken parts, destroyed, stuck, in transport...

[@djluminol]

There's no question NATO wants to see Ukraine win but it also wants to see Russia bleed so I'm guessing they'll resist providing enough equipment to decisively end the war in months. The longer NATO can drag this out the better it will be for all of Europe because one of Europe and America's primary strategic adversaries will be severely diminished. I only see NATO sending a massive coordinated list of equipment and training if they think Ukraine is close to losing. Otherwise resupply and training will continue to be bit by bit, as needed. Which is unfortunate for Ukrainians but still better than the alternative. We get what we want, they get what they want. Ukraine is just paying a high price for being the unfortunate country stuck in the middle. They are however still a country precisely because they are stuck in the middle. War is ugly.

[@contemporarymonk]

The West is playing a very dangerous game here. It has set out to punish russia, dismember it and send it to oblivion for centuries. This is a very existential threat to russia, and what do you expect, Russia to back down and take on all the penalties? No, they will go all out, until there is no more Ukraine. Unless NATO get directly involved with troops in UA, Russia is going to either take Kiev and give everything else west to whoever wants it. Or, it will push all the way to the polish border to secure itself against any future insurgency and reunification uprisings. The cynical nature the west has portrayed this war, has only cost UA dearly. Read any of the RAND papers, and this is exactly what they outlined in 2019, how to push Russia into a conflict, they succeeded. However, they failed on many other important parts, which makes their mission a failure in UA. Now the rush to send tanks and so on to UA, is a demonstration of the fact that things are not going well, and anything is being thrown at the problem to fix them.

[@jameslewis2635]

Considering the numbers of tanks being supplied, it would make sense to me for the Ukraine military to put these foreign tanks into a single batallion in order to reduce the logistics issues from supplying and maintaining all these different designed tanks. Having a single multi-skilled maintainance team has to be easier than trying to spread these vehicles throughout their forces. Honestly, the numbers of Challenger 2 being supplied is so low that I can't see it being worth the hassle other than giving Germany a kick in the pants to allow the supply of Leopard 2's. Hopefully the supply of Abrams being sent by the USA is more significant but relying on such a thursty engine as you see in those vehicles sounds like a bad idea for Ukraine.

[@huntergatherer7796]

Abrams won't be there for at least a year.

[@patta8388]

14 Challys is still a company. Same as the first german "batch" that will be delivered. So, it's absolutely worth something. A total of 8 companies (2 battalions+ spares) will be send by germany over an unspecified time period. In addition to the 14 send by germany, european allies have pledged roughly 8 Leopard 2's of different versions. So, I hope come spring/end of mud season, there will be enough to spearhead a ukrainian offensive. Side note: The Abrams the USA is sending are yet to be build. They won't send any from their stockpile, because they will not share the ones with the depleted uranium armor. So some export models have to be build for the ukrainians, which will take a year or so.

[@johanmetreus1268]

The numbers promised frankly sound more like equipping a training centre to have crews for later deliveries than serving as front line units.

[@patta8388]

@@johanmetreus1268 The numbers are basically a full tank company. training one at a time is easier than training a whole battalion.

[@darrengreen7906]

@@huntergatherer7796 They are already in Belgium. They were loaded onboard a ship 5 nights ago. They will be in Poland by next weekend...

[@highcat2046]

It's wild that we actually have Ukrainian tank crews and mechanical teams at Fort Knox training on the M1s.

[@sullathehutt7720]

It's wild that you think sending occidental tanks across the Ukraine to kill Russians will go any differently for NATO than it did for the Axis. Lol

[@thatgenericdixienormouspic8424]

How many Battalions or companies they got there training or are they doing it in small numbers?

[@highcat2046]

@@thatgenericdixienormouspic8424 I haven't heard specific numbers, but I'd assume it's relatively small.

[@highcat2046]

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[@Dirty_Dumb_NAFO_Scum]

WEF works fast.

[@cLaw27]

What Binkov overlooked is that a big part of the almost 20 tons difference can be found in the belly armor since NATO's tanks were designed to rush over mine fields during a breakthrough.

[@TheBooban]

I think this was before V shape was a thing.

[@chrissmith2114]

@@TheBooban 'V' shaped hull is for trucks not tanks because most tanks have very little ground clearance and also difficult to mount tracks on a V shaped hull, it is a lot easier to mount wheels on a V hull.

[@kondjanegongo796]

They mentioned that the tanks will be stripped of their special Armour incase they fall into Russian hands and they reverse engineer that classified armour

[@cLaw27]

@Kondja Negongo i think that may be true only for the composite layers used on the sides. Never seen the belly of one in person so i can't be 100% sure, but i don't think the bottom plating is removable or that would just compromise the integrity.

[@kondjanegongo796]

@@cLaw27 I think u right.. Didn't read anything about the belly armour

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Everybody making money owes Putin a great big thank you.

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[@WuSchell]

4:44 Leopards don't have 1st gen Thermals. Their periscope is using a PERI-R 17 A2 or A3 which has 2nd and 3rd gen thermal. So their detection range is up to 5km with a maximum of 10 km rangefinding.

[@voidtempering8700]

The Leapard 2a4, which is the most common Leapard being sent, does have gen 1 thermals for the gunner, but you are right, the commander does have 2nd generation thermals as well.

[@WuSchell]

@@voidtempering8700 Still he is comparing these units with incorrect values. Somebody might say biased. Even the old gunners thermals have over 3km detection/recognition/identification range. source: kotsch88s website about tanks.

[@qerupasy]

Just a note on maintenance in the field: I've heard that you can exchange the engine block of a Leo 2A4 in 15 minutes if you have the right support tank (or probably any suitable crane) and a spare engine. Probably not as easy for the transmission or the gun, but I wonder how much maintenance you can actually do on these things without having to send them home.

[@starkman73]

For modern western armor, the entire propulsion system, i.e. engine, transmission, final drives. Are all contained as a single unit refered to as the power pack. Its infinitely easier to pull the system as a whole and replace with a serviceable pack. This allows you to work on a subsystem of the power pack without having the vehicle out of action waiting on a part or a subsystem. But to your previous statement yes it can be done in 15 to 30 minutes depending on the experience of the crew, mechanics and available support equipment. But some type of crane or armored recovery vehicle is a must.

[@imortal22]

In the long run, it will come down to whatever side can master combined arms tactics on the modern battlefield - I firmly believe that each tank should have its own drone unit to not only provide recon support, but to ward off enemy drones with counter drone weaponry.

[@KondorDCS]

Yeah, and I firmly believe I should have a Preatorian Combat Module that my favorite hero in the 27th century had in my books. I too would be invincible with it....Come on, Carlos....stay in reality.

[@maeton-gaming]

its over for ukraine. You will witness it this year.

[@maeton-gaming]

one does not simply goad russia into an existential war and then not finish the job. If you aim for the king, you better not fucking miss.

[@imortal22]

@@maeton-gaming If Russia allowed it'self to be "goaded" into this clown shoe attack, then they are the ones who fucked up. It's all internal Russian politics playing out on the battlefield, and they aren't even trying to win anymore...

[@jamesbondoo81]

No Air support, No Air superiority, No Arty superiority. These tanks will be toast.

[@nickbrasche1189]

Thanks for the great info you lay out in a concise manner. Good job Binkov!

[@javierfrancia1938]

NATO tanks are not going to help at all, they are going to be a burden, tank transfers are a rip-off from the arm dealers to the donating countries taxpayers

[@rhino_force7679]

tank you !

[@Retrosicotte]

His info is hysterically inaccurate though. Don't use this channel for info.

[@merpius]

With a long production lead time, it makes sense that you focus on going in-depth, rather than focusing on most up-to-date. Always good to get down to some facts or analysis that are missed by the fast reporters.

[@javierfrancia1938]

NATO tanks are not going to help at all, they are going to be a burden, tank transfers are a rip-off from the arm dealers to the donating countries taxpayers

[@merpius]

@@javierfrancia1938 you should post a video with your analysis. But I'm not sure why you replied to me... I was just talking about Binkov's video production, since he said he had a long lead time for creating the videos. 🤣

[@javierfrancia1938]

@@merpius sorry to bother you, but im glad i was able to reach out and share some common sense

[@davidodonovan1699]

Thanks for the information. Great video. Well done sir. Legend

[@catherineharris4746]

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[@aitorbleda8267]

As for the 152-155mm just stopping a MBT.. no, a direct hit or a very close hit to the sides can destroy the tank, not just a mobility kill.

[@lemonhaze715]

Engine, tracks, barrel, there are indeed a few ways to disable a tank

[@javierfrancia1938]

NATO tanks are not going to help at all, they are going to be a burden, tank transfers are a rip-off from the arm dealers to the donating countries taxpayers

[@attilathenun]

Overpressure would be an issue too. It’s hard to say exactly what a direct hit from a 155mm(ish) Howitzer would to to a modern western tank

[@saucyinnit8799]

Exactly.

[@doctordome665]

No girls. These tanks cannot be destroyed if they are not used by dictator Erdogan's sh!tty army. Russian gunners might hit one if they shoot target if it's still for two days and 10 batteries shoot it 24 hours. But usually it is towed away in 5min but Putleros (Putins homos) shoot 24hours it's last known place anyways. No western tank has been destroyed in Ukraine. Or even damaged.

[@HellopeepsStavros]

Totally agree Binkov, thousands of them. This has become a meatgrinder for both sides. What struck me head on was this - fuel trucks on roads (ground is too soft) with fuel for tank warfare. There is no real place for them to hide if artilary starts raining shells. These tanks in their small numbers will most likely be stationed by the Bellarusian border to prvent a flanking manouver from the north. Bridge equipment currently used will not support the extra weight of these MBTs, spare parts and breakdown support - this will have to be moved constantly around.

[@chuapg1518]

You are the only one that suggested tanks for defense against possible Belarus aggression, that most of the viewers would not approve.

[@HellopeepsStavros]

@@chuapg1518 Yeah, needed around Backmoote. Reverse that comment.

[@user-gi1jo3vi1f]

Thanks for the very informative video

[@johnreynolds7996]

Some important points to bear in mind w.r.t. Abrams tanks is that (a) they use turbine engines, so their heat signature is huge and (b) they have never - never - operated in a battlefield where they don't enjoy total air supremecy. Which meant that it didn't matter if they glowed in the dark in infrared because the moment they go behind the nearest hill they became invisible to the enemy troops. That won't be the case in Ukraine: the Ukrainians do NOT own the sky and at night the sky will be full of Russian UAVs with IR sensors, and the Abrams will stand out like sore thumbs. They'll be hammered each and every night by UAV-directed 155mm artillery, and a single hit from one of those puppies will punch clean through the top armor of an Abrams.

[@wolfrainexxx]

Ironic that we've reached the point in armored warfare, that the world is likely going to switch tanks back to infantry support roles... a new generation version of the M4 Sherman.

[@joeis18]

I think you're absolutely right about this, and the role of tank and IFV will be reduced until they're the same thing; the guns will get much smaller (40mm, maybe), and armor will increase.

[@maeton-gaming]

ironic? lmfao. Study the art of war. This cycle has been going on for at least 4,000 years, at the very LEAST. (calvary vs infantry) and it will continue, forever. May the glorious age of Mechs come ever sooner ;)

[@wolfrainexxx]

@@maeton-gaming It is ironic, as the Main Battle Tank was never supposed to be an Infantry Support Tank; a design abandoned in the 60's. I'm confused, because your comment says, "This cycle has been on for at least 4,000 years, at the very LEAST." MBT's are akin to the Ballista, or Scorpion, not the cavalry, which finds a modern equivalent in Motorized Infantry... which replaced Cavalry in World War II, seeing a final use by the 26th U.S. Calvary, of the Army’s Philippine Scouts, 1942. The Anime Mech (Gundam) would replace the need for a national military, and would relegate such forces as glorified police; as in, it would still not replace the MBT in this capacity. So your obvious joke being a joke, I'm curious as to which mech you think could be a "replacement for the MBT," and wouldn't immediately get its legs removed in an ambush, or its head removed as it peaked the treeline, or nearby buildings? Genuine question, as I've read debates on this subject.

[@Pijawek]

Poland declared sending Leopards sooner than Britain declared sending Challies, that's what started this discussion

[@wokeaf1337]

No, they never made it official, they were talking about wanting to send bevor the brits yes but they were waiting to get Germany's approval based on assumptions while Germany was not pushed to make a decision because there was no official request by Poland.

[@watcherzero5256]

They talked about it but they kept failing to put in an export request as they knew it would be refused, they didnt actually put in a request until the 23rd of January the day after Germany said it wouldn't object, while Britain officially confirmed they were sending them on January 15th (though decision leaked a a couple of days earlier). Poland spent months like Germany saying they wanted to but they wanted the US to send Abrams first. Even after Britain announced it was sending the Challies Germany said it still wanted the US to send them first for a week, it was the US following Britain and Frances lead that unblocked Germany which then unblocked Poland.

[@mateuszwolny2682]

@@watcherzero5256 We sent 250 T-72, now we will send 60 PT-91 and 14 Leopards, but yeah we only talk :) we are not like germans.

[@patta8388]

@@mateuszwolny2682 Dude, noone denies that Poland send stuff. But regarding the Leopard 2's, until the recent decision, the polish government was all talk in the media. No official request had been send. On a side note: While germany did not send IFV's and Tanks directly until now, it still send a lot of shit and provided more via the "Ringtausch" which freed up equipment send from 3rd parties. While I agree, that the lack of leadership and decision delaying on part of the german government looks bad, until now noone actually send *western* MBT's. And noone *officially* requested the german government to send their german build IFV's and MBT's. There's a lot to unpack here, socioeconomic and historical reason why germany is so slow to react and supply. And no, it's not because we wanna gobble down that cheap russian gas. For a "quick" look at it I recommend the following vid trying to explain germanys stance. kzbin.info/www/bejne/r3TUhZqEqtB9orc

[@mateuszwolny2682]

@@patta8388 I get it, it's better to pretend to be stupid than to appear heartless. that's why the Ukrainian ambassador in germany heard that why help you if you will fall in 72 hours anyway? At that time, Poland, USA and UK sent a lot of stuff. And the Germans didn't even know where to send 5,000 helmets? I'm not even angry as a Pole, geopolitic and business. Germany pursues his interests well. So Americans get out of Europe, the concept of Europe from Lisbon to Vladivostok Cheap gas and big margins. All, of course, with CEE trampled. But the Ukrainian soldier, Poland as a Hub and the USA with the UK thwarted the German-Russian plans.

[@quinnhutson5566]

Every Canadian on hearing the news that we're sending tanks: "...We have tanks?"

[@adamorick2872]

Likely they will not be wide spread, but kept with special units. This simplifies logistics in maintaining them. These units can take advantage of superior sensors and weapon range in support of a new offense.

[@chuapg1518]

NATO tanks in support of new offensive ? By the time all tanks deliver to Ukraine a few months later, Ukraine might not have enough manpower to launch military offensives against Russia.

[@Kiirxas]

They'll definetly help even if sent in small quantities, but they'll be no gamechanger. I do expect them to be just enough to be able to pull off a less ambitious version of the southern spring offensive, simply separating the fronts and putting massive strain in russian logistics and supplies in the area, being that what ultimately enables the retaking of Crimea and most of the land north of it.

[@floridaspiders179]

Taking Crimea will never, ever happen. It has been part of Russia for nearly 300 years and hosts it's major naval base. Over one million Russian soldiers died in Crimea fighting Nazis in WW2. Russia will use tactical nukes before it would again lose Crimea to Ukrainian Nazis. Russia, however, is winning this conflict and the end of Ukraine is near. The fantasizing of Ukraine taking Crimea is just that - fantasy.

[@alexnderrrthewoke4479]

Delusion is a hell of a drug

[@floridaspiders179]

@@alexnderrrthewoke4479 As reality is a hard pill to swallow.

[@DeadWayfes]

They got weapons, but they lack manpower and trained men. Ruskies are training 300-500k more men.... its been 2-3 months for most of them and thats some quality troops who serve to replace losses on the front and secure the rear lines, notice how the ukranians have stopped with their proving and recon attacks, they get spotted very quickly by ruskies, cause they now have way more men than the 300k from the start. Also tanks are no good if air supperiority is shit. Ruskies might not dominate the air cause of anti air systems in place, but ukranians dont have any air capabilities. They are looking for more fighter planes, which makes it obvious they lack them. Also a big tank offensive wont happen, they will distribute them in the front, if they dont the lines will break

[@louiss.w1944]

@@DeadWayfes The war itself for russia is lost. It’s been lost for a while. Everything going on now is waste, sunk cost fallacy. Remember, war isn’t about the fighting on the ground, war is a continuation of politics by other means.. Putin had objectives that didn’t work and backfired. The whole concept of you know, not wanting countries close to nato on its borders, didn’t work out, this move sped nato expansion, it degraded Russias military capabilities, it hurt Russias economy and standing in the world, that’s done and it’s already happened. The best case scenario for Putin at this point is to take some dirt and hold it, then commit to dealing with the inevitable resistance that could last years. There is more. It has become the junior partner in the Russia China friendship, remember in the beginning ? Russia and China they put out that statement “we’re friends with no limits😂? Russia found out real quick that not the case, because nations don’t have friends, they have interests. China has been using Russias reliance on them to get concessions and get the upper hand in their partnership. Another thing, Russia is using its defence industry for the war! What does that mean for exports? They don’t have it, not in the quantities they need, not in the quantities they want. What does that mean? It means countries are looking for another supplier. Who will that be? The USA and if there is money to be made selling stuff to hurt people, we are typically first in line…

[@arrjay2410]

There has been so much analysis of how these vehicles will be used on the internet, It's hard to imagine the Russians being surprised by their presence any where. In the end, as the saying goes, 'no plan survives contact with the enemy'. We will see how the Ukrainians use these machines. I just hope they bring a swift end to this agony.

[@javierfrancia1938]

NATO tanks are not going to help at all, they are going to be a burden, tank transfers are a rip-off from the arm dealers to the donating countries taxpayers

[@jaffacalling53]

Swift end? Zelensky isn't going to stop until every ukrainian male is dead. Then he'll bring in the migrants after the war.

[@10percent4DaBigGuy]

yeah you will watch many Ukrainians die in western equipment very soon

[@JoeOvercoat]

@@jaffacalling53 hahaha “migrants” …just look at the ruskie army demographics.

[@attiladahunk8211]

@@jaffacalling53 Yeah, people tend to fight invaders to push them out of their country. Maybe Russia should just respect internationally recognized boundaries and stop trying to invade sovereign countries that don't wish to be a part of a decrepit empire.

[@SD-tj5dh]

If we can take anything at all positive from sending out all our leopards and challenger tanks, we can properly test their abilities in their designed roles and get some much needed on the ground data to improve them in future.

[@donflamingo795]

It won't be much use in the future. NATO will break up.

[@tonyv5202]

The positive is that all of NATO's old useless tanks will be destroyed by long range missiles and then we can get new tanks.

[@Torus2112]

The Bradley M2A2 ODS being sent has extremely good thermal sensors, so even if the Leo's sensors aren't that great having Bradleys and their infantry on overwatch and screening for the Leopards would be a powerful combination.

[@WuSchell]

Actually he's not correct about the leos thermals. they are much better than described in this video.

[@tonyv5202]

What's that going to do? Get a bunch of poor guys who have had hardly any training in operating them murdered by long range missiles?

[@jamesbondoo81]

Sorry, No Ukrainian Air support or Air superiority means that any of these armor elements are toast from Russian Air.

[@ycplum7062]

While flanking is unlikely, dur to the force density of the fronts, should a break in the line be achieved, tanks can exploit that break and in theory collapse the entire line. That is the primary mission of tanks. Infantry fire support and tank destroying are secondary missions. It should be noted that IFVs can also be used in the exploiting mission. However, tanks can be used to punch through a point about to collapse while it may be more costly for IFVs (alone) to do the same. Also, tanks are more robust and suitable to punch through an unprepared secondary line of defense. The Ukrainians have alreadt demonstrated competence in combined arms,.

[@donflamingo795]

What is stopping the Ruskies from using the same tactic?

[@christiandauz3742]

Russia is too corrupt, inflexible, inexperienced, stupid, etc to do the same

[@jamesbondoo81]

Sorry, No Ukrainian Air support or Air superiority means that any of these armor elements are toast.

[@bixbysnyder-00]

"341 days into my 3 day war, I am still master strategist" -Vladimir Putin

[@denverbeek]

"Never use combined arms warfare, for _reasons._ Don't worry, it'll be fiiiine." - Sun Tzu, Art of War

[@armed_but_blind2768]

'dont worry about logistics, everyone knows these things sort themselves out' - Nelson Mandela

[@JordanWallace-nb4id]

no one said 3 days you clown

[@IgorGreenBird]

Russians never talked about the 3 day war...

[@jaffacalling53]

The war won't end until Zelensky kills off every ukrainian male. Now they're even grabbing high school aged zoomers and retired 60+ year old boomers off the streets and sending them to the front. Germany was doing something similar in 1945...

[@zsmith4853]

Good video as per usual. 👍 Thank you for your time and effort in making this possible. Let's be clear here: Russia was wrong to invade Ukraine but it was provoke by NATO, lead by the USA. Do you SERIOUSLY and GENUINELY believe that the US would sit quietly and smile if Canada, Mexico and Cuba was about to join a military alliance with Russia and China? Do you? Just look at how the United States reacted to the Cuban Missile Crisis!

[@leftnoname]

Don’t forget Leopard 1A5 variants. Those are still numerable and are mostly retired to deep reserve storage.Leopard 1 will be easier to obtain due to less complicated politics of donating older equipment.

[@huntergatherer7796]

It is still antiquated compared to modern Russian equipment..

[@patta8388]

They're to obsolete to be send anyway, now that the Leopard 2 is free to go.

[@rowaystarco]

Equipment in storage will probably need a rather long time to be refurbished for use. That's why most of the Leo2s being sent are the active duty ones.

[@cleetussnow7159]

I believe the Abrahms will be a force multiplier in theatre. Some Abrahms are nearby and can be moved by rail, and that infrastructure does exist and has been been utilized in the last decade. For example, the US moved a battalion of Abrahms from Germany to Hungary for exercises in 2014 to flex US power during the Crimea aggression. That took 4 weeks to plan and move. It was done by rail. I am glad to hear a dedicated video on the Abrahms is forthcoming.

[@HSCrimson]

There is already footage of Abrams and Leo tanks on a train seemingly in Germany, but we don't know the destination yet. Very possible these are being sent through Poland

[@nimbusnimbus.IV.]

Just more targets for Russia to destroy.

[@jamesheath7596]

Hang on. Arnt these abrams having to be build from scratch? The Abram’s tank has a secret form of armour that the Americans don’t want the Russians to capture so tanks are going to be built without the special armour incorporated

[@RoyD_S]

@@jamesheath7596 Ukraine won't get the Abrams with radioactive armor, but a version without it.

[@Kawboy65]

@@jamesheath7596 And sending existing stock won't pad anyones pockets either.

[@tyy123]

That was so informative. Thank you

[@ScienceChap]

The Challenger 2 has a ground pressure of 0.9 kg/s/m^2. That's exactly the same as a T72 and 0.01 kg less than Leo 2. Challenger 2 is actually renowned for it's ability cross country. It was designed to fight in Eastern Europe. The Challenger 2's power-pack also produces roughly the same torque as the M1A2's power-pack, and slightly less than Leo 2. Most tanks don't generally go barrelling along at their top speed. Top speed is for chumps, because you can't see properly and end up blundering into mines, ambushes etc...

[@westerlywind1035]

'Top of the line-ish Challenger 2' Only tank not to be destroyed by the enemy in combat: 'am I a joke to you?'

[@dnocturn84]

Maybe because the Challenger 2 was always only used in such small numbers, so that destruction based on propability calculation never occured so far? There is a good chance, that this is the reason and not some hidden "superiority".

[@JordanWallace-nb4id]

thats western propoangands,

[@deehaytch8442]

@@dnocturn84 one took 70 rpg hits

[@MovieGuy808]

Challengers have never seen extensive combat operations, have they?

[@westerlywind1035]

@@JordanWallace-nb4id there are battle reports about it, look it up

[@LoneWolf-rc4go]

It really feels like these are defensive commitments rather than anything to allow Ukraine to carry out large-scale armored offensives using Western equipment. IIRC the whole design for the Challenger 2 was for it to be able to rapidly engage multiple enemy vehicles from prepared positions. It's why it's rather heavy and slow compared to other tank designs. I would expect to see more commitments of more tanks and IFV's in the future (probably with a lot less fanfare) as Ukraine builds up its logistics, support, and pool of trained personnel. I wouldn't be surprised to see another round of advanced weapons being announced in the next few months as things kick-off again as the campaigning season kicks off again in March/April.

[@watcherzero5256]

British tank doctrine is more of a sniper with precise long range fire rather than a breakthrough vehicle.

[@stalhandske9649]

15:32 >> I don't know where that figure of 14 for Finland is from, but until now our minister of exterior, while very vague, has mentioned perhaps 1-2 tanks and that's it. We _are_ located where we are, after all... Also the figure in 18:15 is erroneous, unless only numbers for 2A4 were intended. We have another 100 of 2A6 variant. Again, our location explains why. EDIT: never mind the latter point, the numbers were explained to be for 2A4 variant.

[@chuapg1518]

I thought 4 tanks from Canada was already pathetic, one or two tanks from Finland......... 😔. Might as well donate lots of money to Ukraine war chest.

[@The_Corporal]

Yeah! I was definitely waiting for this video!

[@davec5153]

It'll be interesting to see how the Dorchester composite armour blocks on the Challenger 2 will stand up to a modern ATM.

[@watcherzero5256]

If they have been in storage for a long time they might be original Chobham rather than 2nd gen Dorchester. US has conversely said its going to strip its 1st gen Chobham and some communication gear off the M1A1 tanks it provides as it considers it too secret or just send straight export variant M1A2 instead which dropped the DU based Chobham in favor of conventional metal plates and would already have been stripped of sensitive tech with suitable replacements. Though I think the reality might be rather than them still considering 1st gen Chobham sensitive unlike Britain its due to the US Chobham variant using Depleted Uranium in the mix and we saw what kind of post war fallout DU caused in Iraq both among the civilian population and US soldiers so they are quietly considering the long term PR ramifications.

[@Cdr_Mansfield_Cumming]

@@watcherzero5256 No, the C1s had Chobham. The C2s all have Dorchester plates. They may have been in storage, but NATO storages is not like Russian lock them in a open yard storage. NATO requires monthly runs and bi-monthly test of components. For vehicles, they must be driven 3km, armoured must be driven 2km. All oils, filters and seals have to be changed every 6 months. That schedule is far from locking it up and forgetting them for several years like the Russians have done. The Challengers were in production up to 2006, and are the newest of the NATO tank force.

[@istillusezune82]

@@watcherzero5256 All CR2 have Dorchester. The turret front has over 1200mm protection against shaped charge.

[@johnashleyhalls]

This is a heavy armour comparison but I want to point out the logistics support to the combat area. 100 years ago trench raids were the approach to weaken the front lines. Any Boy Scout remembers "Captue the Flag", think of the game as "Aggresive Recon". Good wood craft, sensor avoidance and merciless destruction of bivouac support areas. I was a child during the Cold War and was trained on this type of infilltration, we did not consider this as a Special Forces operation but just how to fight to survive. Tsun Tsu, hit them where they are weak! After all, you don't take ground without boots on the ground.

[@titytitmk2738]

the Challanger 2's side skirts are not ERA, they are composite armour blocks. Same as the blocks added to the side of the turret. It should also be noted that whilst a large number of tanks are listed as 'captured' almost all of them range from badly damaged to extremely badly damaged. And as Ukraine has little to no manufacturing capabilities of its own it cant repair them so they are useless.

[@stillcantbesilencedevennow]

Gonna be honest, I got trained on the Bradley for about a week of hanging out in the woods. The Abrams was only marginally harder, and actually had less capabilities to manage.

[@opponenspericulo]

The "service depots" mentioned, are already in place in Poland and the 3 baltic countries, it's just not mentioned to public media. And about swedens CV90's, there about 550 in the inventory, so not most are sent...

[@laurencehugo5910]

As usual, an excellent summary on the topic, thanks.

[@drzoidnilsson73]

Sweden also have 120 Leopards II, "Strv 122" a version of Leopard II 2A5. I find it likely that eventually they'll also give into the pressure and offer some of them to Ukraine.

[@uku4171]

Doubt it tbh

[@drzoidnilsson73]

@@uku4171 Time will tell. We don't man all those 120. There are stored and working. There will be pressure. Biden refuses to sell F-16 to Turkey if Turkey don't stop messing with Sweden's (and Finland's) NATO applications. Sweden have a new government that is falling in popularity and the NATO thin is a big thing and they do NOT handle it very well. There will be request for Sweden to be grateful for favors and shouldn't sit on all their "Strv 122" that are not in dayly use for training. NATO want a proper tank group for Ukraine. With Leopard II. We'll see and time will tell if Sweden will not soften up and release some. Took time with the Archers. The compitment to 50 CV90s came out of nowhere. Eventually Sweden can't sit on 120 Leopard II and just watch what the rest of Europe or NATO is providing(?)

[@uku4171]

@@drzoidnilsson73 I guess it depends on Turkey, but the demands they're making of Sweden right now are delusional.

[@drzoidnilsson73]

@@uku4171 As a Sweden I do consider that rather wait than agree to Erdoğan demands. My government have already kissed his butt too much to the level that it is embarrassing. Sweden can wait rather than give in to Erdoğan's demands. Sweden is NOT in a "need to join for safety" hurry to join NATO. Sweden should wait out Erdoğan rather than kissing his butt!

[@hairlab9646]

Is anyone else getting the feeling that NATO is providing these weapons at least in part to combat test them without risking NATO lives? No way to really simulate (especially defensive systems) in Oklahoma.

[@assertivekarma1909]

I predict Poland/Ukraine will become a world leader in tank production, the use of a variety of platforms in conflict will aid in this development.

[@franticsledder]

I predict they will be smoking wastelands 😂

[@changingform250]

Well yes, Poland will probably get a manufacturing contract for the k2.

[@jonny-b4954]

Seems kind of pointless to me. NOOOO way they're going to be able to efficiently maintain, organize and supply so many varied, foreign tanks. Especially in such small numbers. Every tank provided so far isn't really enough to even punch a hole through the front line. Or if it is, there won't be many left.

[@scousebadger0077]

The challenger 2 will take a massive punishing never been lost in a active hot war. Hopefully will some excellent well trained operators this record will maintain. Good luck to all who serve

[@Khal_Rheg0]

Thank you!

[@penitent2401]

I feel like throwing 50 different systems in Ukraine with only handful of units for each system is a bad idea. The donor countries need to work together more and just select few systems from 1-2 countries to manufacture and supply using pooled funds.

[@javierfrancia1938]

NATO tanks are not going to help at all, they are going to be a burden, tank transfers are a rip-off from the arm dealers to the donating countries taxpayers

[@Draconianoverlord55]

That could actually work, I mean if the west wanted to they could have made a real war effort supplying the Ukrainians even before the invasion, but they don't, they just want to use the Ukrainians to face the Russians, no matter the cost

[@appa609]

Yeah in a rational system it'd be standardized to Leo2A4's and Germany would backfill the donor countries with 2A6/7's. This is gonna be a maintenance /operationsl nightmare.

[@LizardYup]

Military industrial complex: 🤑🤑🤑

[@coreykowalchuk4371]

@@LizardYup cope vatnik

[@Chuck_Hooks]

Russians just announced that 50 Abrams and 100 Leopards were destroyed. Amazing since none have been delivered yet.

[@MrHellknightimp]

That you know of

[@eduwino151]

doesnt to the destruction of 1000 ukrainian jets out the less than 100 that ukraine operates

[@Helos743]

They were actually sent long before any announcements were made, just an FYI to you smart ass.

[@garretttobin7451]

HUh huh huh huh huh....you can't get over the fact that Russia claimed to have destroyed 3 Bradley's yet you completely gloss over the absolute avalanche of complete lies coming out Kiev since this conflict started that have been eagerly regurgitated by western media with not fact checking or verification of any kind. Very balanced approach there buddy.

[@ihavenosenseofhumor.7226]

I loved it when r*ssia announced complete destruction of Ukrainian AA and air force a few hours into the invasion, and we still see their aircraft and drones getting shot down a year later.

[@Gizmomaster]

What it really comes down to is the Abrams as the only MBT that is in such significant numbers and tough enough to actually make a difference. The issue is logistics. If that can be solved then it’s really the Abrams that would rule the field in Ukraine.

[@chuapg1518]

Is USA going to increase its contribution of Abrams to Ukraine from 31 to hundreds ? For what I knew, Leopards from Europe contribution numbered in hundreds.

[@Kishandreth]

I'm most interested in how Ukraine will use the Bradley sensors. If they get the ODS version of Bradley's the thermal sensor is sensitive enough to give your whole platoon a temperature check to see if anyone is sick. Plus the Bradley's will have some form of anti vehicle missile. Throw 5 Bradley's a leopard A challenger and maybe some strykers together and call them a mobile reaction force. They could flank an attack quickly or they could seize smaller villages.

[@snapdragon6601]

I think Binkov is right here. It would be better to send 500+ all at once rather than just a steady trickle of tanks and IFVs. I understand that it was a major accomplishment, politically to get to this point. Hopefully now that NATO members have the greenlight and built a consensus to send armor to Ukraine, they will be able to add to those numbers fairly quickly going forward. 👍🙂

[@appa609]

Because we aren't trying to end the war. We're trying to bleed Russia out.

[@LizardYup]

I think the problem with this is, unless there is some serious lobbying or convincing, western powers are in no position to send huge portions of their military hardware like tanks to Ukraine. There is also the concern how such a move would invoke a Russian response.

[@snapdragon6601]

@@LizardYup I agree, especially most European militaries can't really afford to send that much equipment without seriously weakening their own defensive needs.

[@beepseatsfindingfoodtreasu8756]

@@LizardYup what response? The bulk of their army is already in place. And as we've seen, the ruskies can make threats but have yet to back a single one of those up.

[@Klote3241]

He isnt right at all. he missed the most important capability of the western tanks which is its communication link capability. This tank together with drones and IFV communication will know where their enemys are before its even in range to fire its main barrel. No Russian tank has this capability. With Link 16, military aircraft as well as ships and ground forces may exchange their tactical picture in near-real time. Link 16 also supports the exchange of text messages, imagery data and provides two channels of digital voice (2.4 kbit/s or 16 kbit/s in any combination). Link 16 is defined as one of the digital services of the JTIDS / MIDS in NATO's Standardization Agreement STANAG 5516. MIL-STD-6016 is the related United States Department of Defense Link 16 MIL-STD.

[@memyselfandi6364]

Correction: Challenger 2 with Megatron kit weighs 83 tons. (But Britain has limited kits and would never send any sort the stated weights are the ones applicable)

[@javierfrancia1938]

NATO tanks are not going to help at all, they are going to be a burden, tank transfers are a rip-off from the arm dealers to the donating countries taxpayers

[@wallingnaga6563]

Ukraine bridge (most ) is rated below 45-50tons so it would be a logistical challenge for Ukrainians!

[@psour33]

Oh god they will sink in the mud.

[@janis.lauva.]

@@wallingnaga6563 it's a hardcore challenge... Calibers... 100 mm, 105 mm, 115 mm, 120 mm, 120 mm rifled, 125 mm.

[@MPdude237]

Are you sure that is metric tons or Short tons? I have never heard of any production tank weighing that much.

[@user-cd4bx6uq1y]

The assessment at the start of the video is the only one on those tanks to go somewhere practical instead of just playing with cool numbers

[@Agnus_Mason]

The 3km thermal range of the B3 is not like in games such as war thunder where you see a perfect picture, but rather, at 3 km you will see hardly more than a small blip. It could indicate a tank, but also a IFV, a medium fire, or even a brick wall that has been heated up by a fire inside.

[@voidtempering8700]

Not entirely, the Sosna-U with the Catherine FC technically can see out to 5km, but 3km is when it can identify a tank size target.

[@richardthomas598]

The count is around 300 tanks and 300 IFVs right now. It's enough for a mechanized corps.

[@cz1589]

As far as Ive heared, 1600 support vehicles will be delivered, probably those IFV included.

[@timmyjimmy3647]

Are we really not going to talk about how all the t72's Russia sold to Iraq were outranged by Abrams by over a mile and not a single Abrams was lost in either Iraq war. The t72s are going to be little more than moving targets. It's very important to compare the tanks to the actual battlefield performance and not just the Russian bluster. But I will be very excited to watch a few hundred more Pringles cans pop this summer. Slava Ukraine

[@voidtempering8700]

Do you not understand the different models of T-72s. Even the worst T-72 Russia is using is better the the T-72s Iraq used.

[@timmyjimmy3647]

@@voidtempering8700 and you think the Soviet era t72's in Ukraine now have double the range of the Soviet era t72's in Iraq? A loss is a loss buddy. This is going to be a big one.

[@voidtempering8700]

@@timmyjimmy3647 Again, there is a difference between variants. A T-72 with thermal sights can see a tank size target in all weather conditions at 3km, while a T-72 without can see a tank size target at 800m in good conditions. So it is closer to a 4x difference. In fact, even 3km might be too short, as there was a video of a T-80BVM engaging infantry nearly 5km away using thermals. I don't think you quite grasp the tech disparity a thermal sight gives you over no thermal sight.

[@timmyjimmy3647]

@@voidtempering8700 yeah. Just like how they can be outfitted to be amphibious too right? 😂🤣 Russia isn't the inheritor of the Soviet union. It's the rotting corpse.

[@voidtempering8700]

@@timmyjimmy3647 If you don't believe them, then would you at least believe the Ukrainians, or NATO about the condition of their equipment. You are denying it with no good reason, your bias is clouding your judgement, do some research before talking about a topic you do not know about.

[@lemmonsinmyeyes]

The Ukranians and russians are using artillary to make a defending force retreat, then they blitz in with BMP/IFV to take the positions. So they use APCs as a fast capture kind of thing. Having TOW and sensors is mostly a secondary thing. We havent really seen a mass of tanks punching through the front lines in a concentrated attack like you're describing Also, the first batch are purely a 'toe in the water' kind of thing. See how the Ukranians treat the gear and training. Like HIMARS, if they are good with the stuff, more will show up

[@chuapg1518]

Like HIMARS, if they are good with the stuff, more will show up ? Unfortunately, not so. Germany had announced it would no longer provide military hardwares to Ukraine anymore. Currently, USA, Ukraine biggest supporter, was having financial difficulties. In a few months, it would have political turmoils. Worse, it might face bankruptcy, which means it's supports to Ukraine would only decline. Talking about HIMARS, long time no news of it from Ukraine.

[@greybone777]

Averages life expectancy of a Ukraine troop on the front line is 4 hours. Everything's going into the grinder.

[@freeman5110]

We're just testing the waters right now. Just like we did with the handheld systems and artillery units (HIMARS) previously; as soon as Ukrainian's display prowess, more units will be sent. If used correctly, with each tank type strategically accentuating its own environment, they could prove to have a significantly tangible effect on the warzone.

[@huntergatherer7796]

Ukraine still has a massive deficit in artillery compared to Russia. Which makes it difficult for them to counter Russian attacks.

[@meinschmerz6074]

Yeah. Western Tanks are defensive too. The Tank is more of an offensive weapon but western tanks are as defensive a tank can get. it will help them hold the lines until the politics catch up.

[@gregwallace6159]

Ignorant fool 😂

[@christiandauz3742]

At least Ukraine isn't using inexperienced drunks to crew its artillery! One reason the VDV and other Russian elites took a lot of hits in Kherson are Donbass drunks manning Russian artillery!

[@jamesbondoo81]

No Air support, No Air superiority, No Arty superiority. These tanks will be toast.

[@huuskari174]

Finland has quite a few BMP-2 and MT-LB in active duty, it will be interesting to see if some of those are sent to Ukraine and replaced with more modern APC's and IFV's such as CV90 and patria amv

[@Carbidestruck]

*Cries in Parola PSJK*

[@randomalien7746]

1/22 kuittaa

[@AyoubusMagnus]

I don't think that Finland could send anything cause of their small army and them being next to russia

[@RuleFinlandia]

@@AyoubusMagnus You seem well informed.

[@balticwater]

@@AyoubusMagnus small army? Finland?

[@Steve-yf9my]

Thanks!

[@AstonSubstantive]

No discussion of fire-on-the-move capability of the westerns vs t-72s, no mentions of range, no mention of condition of fleet, NATO shell penetration capabilities, etc. I'm starting to think maybe Binkov's Battles is a production of RT.

[@djluminol]

You suppose Binkov ever thought he would need a tractor animation for his videos lol?

[@javierfrancia1938]

NATO tanks are not going to help at all, they are going to be a burden, tank transfers are a rip-off from the arm dealers to the donating countries taxpayers

[@avegromek]

😅

[@jonie1852]

Every video that talks about tanks donated to Ukraine is forgetting about that Poland is not sending base model leo 2 a4 they are sending modernized leo 2 a4pl.

[@javierfrancia1938]

NATO tanks are not going to help at all, they are going to be a burden, tank transfers are a rip-off from the arm dealers to the donating countries taxpayers

[@dnocturn84]

Poland operates the Leopard 2A4 in its original old vanilla configuration and the updated Leopard 2PL (which they claim to be an equivalent to the A5 configuration). The original press release by Poland sounded like Poland will donate their older Leopard 2A4 variant to Ukraine and none of the updated variant yet. Is there a source that actually confirms that they'll send the 2PL (2A5) configuration?

[@HSCrimson]

@dnocturn84 I haven't seen which leo 2s Poland is sending, but they did just order several hundred more m1a2 Abrams tanks from the US, which probably means they're looking to send many of their currently used Leo 2s (possibly the a4pl) to ukraine.

[@MrAsus4870]

@@HSCrimson don't think our gov will send more, with newest tanks we will be giving almost 300 tanks together since start of war. In case Putin is insane and attacks us, we need something to defend with. And please don't say NATO article 5, after 1939 many Poles don't believe anybody would help us.

[@HSCrimson]

@@MrAsus4870 that's why the polish government has ordered about 400 abrams tanks, so they can have stock with what they're giving to ukraine

[@HSSCenterprises]

Thank you

[@markdavies9636]

Around 447 challenger 2 tanks have been built there are more than 72 in storage.

[@louisquatorze9280]

Crimea is essential. Crimea is the key. Having said that, the IFV will have a greater effect on the battlefield than the MBT.

[@highjumpstudios2384]

I thought memory was the key...

[@ricardosmythe2548]

Crimea could be a bridge to far.

[@colestahl1265]

@@highjumpstudios2384 Timeline? Time isn’t made out of lines . It is made out of circles. That is why clocks are round.

[@HaydenLau.]

@@highjumpstudios2384 Nice reference

[@HaydenLau.]

Each MBT will have a greater effect on the battlefield. But IFVs as a whole makly have more effect.

[@tooroptube4980]

“All warfare is based on deception. Hence, when we are able to attack, we must seem unable; when using our forces, we must appear inactive; when we are near, we must make the enemy believe we are far away; when far away, we must make him believe we are near.” ― Sun tzu, The Art of War

[@Edax_Royeaux]

Russia sure fooled us. They seemed able when they were unable.

[@HellopeepsStavros]

Sun tzu can be applied to all aspects of life effectly and moreover can allow a small force to take on a much bigger one. I have used it in at least 3 areas of my life. It's allowed me to deal with evil people effectively. The main point is this, don't attack head on a like for like force. If it is larger it will defeat you. Your boss, criminal gangs, the government sending you grey letters, the police, your ex, your neighbours, the list is endless.

[@davidmathes6730]

Next level knowledge of military anything!!

[@JosephKano]

I'd assume the Challenger and Abram's will be defense in depth for like Kyiv and the Leopards will be the strike element?

[@looinrims]

10:12 finally someone is again talking about the UTSOF (Ukrainian Tractor Special Operations Forces)

[@T33K3SS3LCH3N]

18:00 Leos will not need to be sent back just for a broken transmission. They're particularly built for quick swaps. Just exchange the powerpack (might take 2 hours for a less trained crew) and send only the broken powerpack back. Of course that depends on spare part availability, but they will at least get some additional powerpacks.

[@TauCu]

Yeah I remember something about the engine being mostly just four bolts to drop it out.

[@aclearlight]

Great work!

[@JohnDoe-fz5cz]

I appreciate the insights, painful though they are to hear.

[@grudgebringer4937]

Iraqi operated Rpg-29s penetrated the side turrets on M1A2s and Challenger 2s in Iraq during 2003-2011. The newer Russian AT missiles are surely able to penetratate the side turret armor.

[@baf_mcnab3065]

You sure about penning the CH2 ? None have been knocked out in battle by enemy fire.

[@MacDaddy8200]

I like that binko assume Russian tanks has ERA AND good thermals while its very unlikely, because this war has shown how corruption have depleted the Russian army so on paper they might have those specs but in real world they only have a painted cardboard box.

[@voidtempering8700]

It doesn't take a genius to know that these things are there. Look at the videos of captured Russian tanks and you will see them with thermals and ERA. DO some research about the capabilities of Russian tanks and their experience in Ukraine, additionally look at what the Ukranians think of Russian tanks.

[@nicolasrose3064]

Putin :"The sophistication and superiority of our weapons systems will destroy anything that Ukraine has brought to the battlefield..." Russian conscript :"What does this button do....?".

[@XxxXxx-fm3wo]

A good pair for front line will be Leo2's and Bradly's but long term and after Ukraine wins this war is Leo'2 with CV 90's or M1 Abrim's with Bradly's. As well AMX 10 rc's can be useful for flank support and recon and future border patrol.

[@jamesbondoo81]

Sorry, No Ukrainian Air support or Air superiority means that any of these armor elements are toast.

[@PeterPan-ev7dr]

The Leopard 2A4 is equipped with a computerized fire control system that has a maximum range of 10,000 meters with an accuracy of 20 meters at this distance. The combined system allows the Leopard 2A4 to engage moving targets at a range of up to 5,000 meters. If the Russian army will listen to Binkov's advise then everything will be fine, the T72's will dominate the Leo's and Kiev will be taken in another 3 days. But only time will tell the truth, especially during war.

[@beepseatsfindingfoodtreasu8756]

In another three days? They already tried that. And without the tank support Ukraine has now. It would be great if the orcs tried it again. It would end this war so much sooner.

[@bremnersghost948]

Hi Binkov, Perhaps the second largest source of Quality Tanks that could be sent to Ukraine are the almost 400 strong fleet of Jordanian Challenger 1s and their support vehicles that Jordan no longer needs now they're replacing C1 with the Italian Centauro IFV's, Considering the C1 still holds the longest range tank on tank kill record and the Jordanian 's Modernised the FCS and other Sensors, While it still has better Armour than most anything Russians can field, A fleet of C1s led by C2's would be most useful to Ukraine.

[@parvizdeamer]

Yeah I think this would be an incredible option, and they would be very cheap yet have proven in the Gulf War to be superior to the T-72’s (albeit those were export models, but these are more up to date “challenger 1’s”

[@jamesgornall5731]

Jordan already said No, how would it be worth their upsetting Moscow over this? What is there to be gained?

[@bremnersghost948]

@@jamesgornall5731 When has Jordan ever cared what Russia says? Until recently they get their Weapons and Officer Training from Britain not Russia.

[@joeis18]

Ugh, the Leo 2A6 is going to show the Abrams up and I'm sad. Even if it's just an export model, I wish we could've sent our *best* tanks.

[@raz4371]

the increase in engagement distance combined with high tech thermals will be a massive advantage, armor wise though they wont be much different than t72's cause of modern anti tank weapons.

[@iceman9678]

Army Armor School can take weeks (sometimes months) to get the "basic" skills needed to operator the M1 Abrams. Now take into consideration the training needed for mx and logistical support for the M1. Now multiply this by the number of multiple advanced tank types inbound for Ukraine. Anyone else see a problem? To me, it seems the prevailing assumptions are that the variety of 'new' tanks show up and they're off running amok into Russia. There's no need for logistical support, fundamental training of basic operation, and of course there's never talk of the massive amount of mx that advanced armor require. Now consider the time it takes to train someone on the basic operation of an ATGM or RPG.

[@lubomirdoukov6975]

They had that problem already, but it seems like they have managed so far.

[@AP-cc1uw]

Exactly. This is a political move from countries who realize that Ukraine is going to lose this war, potentially in the near term. Further, if anyone actually thought Russia is bent on invading other countries and was a threat to NATO, we WOULD be sending thousands of tanks and training enough to crew them right now. This is clearly a proxy war with low stakes for NATO - Ukraine is suffering for it.

[@catfish_joe5068]

You talking about Raw recruits? Most of the tank training is tactics and basic skill - You would think a army fighting a tank war for a year will have the basic skill for tanks and will only need to understand the systems. It was said that the Ukraine army have been trained on NATO warfare and tank warfare for the last 8 years - One would expect the system training not to be as long as a raw recruit.

[@AP-cc1uw]

@@catfish_joe5068 It takes months to train any member of a tank crew - and more months or years to properly train an armoured officer. Yes Ukraine has been fighting a war since 2014, with the heaviest fighting in just this past year BUT Ukraine has also suffered over 150k KIA. They are most definitely training raw recruits, the army they started 2022 with has largely been destroyed.

[@iceman9678]

@@catfish_joe5068 You assume that there is a basic tank operation that transcends all of these variants. I disagree. While I may know how to fly Cessna that doesn't mean that I will be combat effective with an F-16. Speaking of which...., the Ukrainian Air Force has largely been eastern bloc aircraft and I have my doubts that any of their pilots will be effective in western aircraft no matter how modern and advanced the air frames may be. There seems to be a lot of people in the gov't/media complex that are genuinely ignorant of what it takes for Successful Military Operations.

[@malcolmt7883]

A Polish official said they're working on reducing tank training to 5 weeks. Those Ukrainians must be tank geniuses, since anywhere else in the world, general tank training lasts half a year, and much longer for a tank commander.

[@chadimirputin2282]

They will weld the hatches closed like they've already been doing and sending them off on a one way mission.

[@Nero-Caesar]

That or they'll be mediocre at best you can't rush proper training that's how people and equipment get hurt

[@doyouwanttogivemelekiss3097]

The question is, do they need tanker training, or type conversion training? I.e., a military school does much more than teach which button is where. But if they already know how a combined arms attack works while performing such an attack with a t64/80, or on a captured t72, because they have been fighting a war for a year now - then may be they can get by with just the type conversion training.

[@ricardosmythe2548]

They can't really say they've been training them in tanks for months can they

[@1nONLY_DRock]

That's peacetime training. In war you got to speed things up. Besides, I'm sure the Ukrainians are well motivated to excel at their tasks.

[@lukemckay3262]

Laser guided 155ml krasnopol artillery rounds directed at the turret hatch will be the most prevalent form of destruction. The driver may get lucky and be able to pop and run, but a precise artillery strike is game over for any armour.

[@althepal6818]

Liked where you located the Canadian Flag.. in Scotland!! and later in France lol! Hope is by lack of space and not of knowledge!