How Betting Companies BAN Winners! | Government Inquiry Reaction

[@bamboozleddd]

I’m very glad this is becoming a more mainstream conversation. There needs to be more consumer protection in regards to gambling.

[@ShaneHuang88]

Totally agree! The more people who talk about this, the more likely there will be government intervention

[@bamboozleddd]

@@ShaneHuang88 The interesting thing is that in New Zealand, TAB NZ (the only New Zealand owned bookmaker) doesn’t gub anyone as a result of their consumer protection laws. I have a bowling alley so the prospect of never getting gubbed is very tempting for me.

[@bitcoinprice2081]

@@bamboozleddd very educating info!

[@bitcoinprice2081]

@@bamboozleddd thay move odds fast? what are betting limits? are odds good enough to make profits?

[@bamboozleddd]

@@bitcoinprice2081 I don’t do arbitrage or dutching. I only use promotions. Expected EV per TAB NZ account right now is probably 200-300$ / week.

[@MisterElliot]

This woman is well-spoken

[@Shane.Huang.]

✍️✍️😂

[@DesktopBodybuilding]

Brilliant video! I've been banned from every major bookie & it's due to the closing line. So essentially if you place good legit bets (without inside knowledge) & the closing line is 20% off then they ban... I say the bookies need to set their lines correctly & not penalize the customers.

[@fender1000100]

How much money have you made. I play roulette. And have won over 15k on one site and not been stopped. Don't accept any bonuses or anything. I just use my own money and only play roulette.

[@but1z]

funny seeing you here mate!

[@DesktopBodybuilding]

@@but1z I’m everywhere 😂

[@DesktopBodybuilding]

@@but1z na I rarely comment, so that’s just chance 😂

[@DesktopBodybuilding]

@@fender1000100 in profit in 1 year at the peak I made the amount that you could easily take the year off work.

[@codylewis9108]

So happy to see an inquiry into the conduct of the bookies in Australia. The last 5 years has given them too much freedom to expand their market an exploit vulnerable people. Simply put, bookies can calculate every single match to give them a % profit regardless of the outcome. Its a very basic business model. But unfortunately the reality is that they are squeezing every last drop of profit at the expense of those most vulnerable to addiction. I've seen both sides of the story... I've been blocked from Sportsbet for winning but I also have direct family members that have been through gambling addiction and lost over 100k. Something that gets talked a lot about on this channel being blocked for winning and the measures betting companies take to find and block winning accounts.. Well did you know they have the equivalent measures to find addicts and keep them on the platform? Its disgusting and is ruining lives. Things like delaying withdrawals over WEEKS to enable an addict to cycle any winnings through the system.. then flooding them with promotions if they finally do withdraw. Really predatory business practices that have been enabled by previous governments. Every second advertisement during a sports game is a betting ad... Buy an NRL jersey for your kid of his favourite team and it has "Sportbet" or "LadBrokes" plastered all over it. It wasnt like this 10 years ago.. regulations have slipped and vulnerable people are being exploited

[@moejahi3d3]

Group of banned people should just class action sue them in like Europe or something where consumers are protected.

[@philip9707]

Consumers aren’t protected in Europe, here you just get limited and can bet like €3 on a line

[@zberea]

i got bookmakers that ban me after 2 -3bets if im not carefully with the accs

[@pipmci]

Hi Shane thanks for the video. If Chinese people were banned from betting then the whole of Macau would go bust!

[@ShaneHuang88]

Hahaha only winners though - they're happy to keep losers

[@ariseyhun2085]

Please keep us updated on this! Very interersting, I hope some changes can be made with these things

[@nikolajmadsen5921]

This is well known :) ive been working with betting as my job for 8 years now, its a jungle to swap from accounts to accounts, making deals with others to bet thru their account and other stuff in order to make a living. i understand that most people focus on all the people that suffer from addiction etc, and it surely deserves way more focus then the small % of us that makes a living from betting, but i hope we get to a point were it gets impossible for bookies to limit people down to under 1$ etc. and atleast make it a number that is stil worth your time to bet, 50-100$ or so.

[@Shane.Huang.]

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[@johnfrancis55]

And the government bans betting with exchanges overseas.

[@nikolajmadsen5921]

Yeah here its not banned, its just ye taxed a good 27% if i recall correct, and then u again get limited super quickly as all these bookies are shit at their job.@@johnfrancis55

[@_1_271]

great vid. what's to stop you teaming up with someone? person A bets one side. person B bets the other. even better would be to rotate between a bunch of people so they don't know/can't prove a connection between the team . MIT did the same thing with blackjack teams and were successful over many years until facial recognition identified a few people when they slipped up.

[@ariseyhun2085]

Woah!! Thats insane, really incredible idea that would definitely work to hide the activity from the sports betting sites

[@RayIzuu]

MIT? The school or it's a syndicate?

[@Arkhanno]

@@RayIzuu Saw no one replied to you. MIT the school. A group of MIT students had a blackjack team where they trained people to count cards and win a bunch of money. They worked in teams and they made quite the fortune. The movie 21 is based off the story of this team, though the movie isn't completely accurate. Mike Aponte is one of the former members of this team and has talked about card counting publicly.

[@bitcoinprice2081]

very fun video! When you clearly see how CEO manipulate with answers, you know how dirty politic is. This is why i went from profesional sport bettor into bitcoin

[@Shane.Huang.]

✍️✍️☝️

[@tekken9476]

It's all rigged bro

[@amedzobismark2265]

The woman is putting pressure on the CEO

[@ShaneHuang88]

Yes let’s go!

[@MRW2276]

Distorting the market translated means we don't make our own odds and are unwilling to move the line to balance out the action when a heavy bet hits one side.

[@BogdanCalin941]

What about betting in the crypto markets where in theory you could use crypto to bet anonymously and it should be much harder to ban?

[@tjbellah349]

“Privileged information” means “you’re smarter than us and we don’t like it so we’re gonna cry and throw our toys down and leave the playground.”

[@andrewbaker4506]

Great video great to see this happening shouldn't be a crime for winning punters to win as bookies destroy people every day promotion is how they entice people so if they get taken advantage of that to bad bookies great job to the intervier I am a edge elerter member which these discussions impact me deluxe cheers bro

[@ShaneHuang88]

great job by the politician

[@Monaug5kid]

She is right. All the bookmakers do that

[@ShaneHuang88]

Yep exactly haha

[@sbrenaissance9]

True, but that's why they can afford to pay bribes to anybody :D

[@StaryWkurwiony]

"if the model is predicting risk of harm" bastard said...so generally you must play in normal risk model that is about more than 90% lose rate,other wise you will be banned.

[@betinum-tips]

I like that this information is being spread, but let all countries act like Spain, namely take cases against the bookies to stop this audacity.

[@bitcoinprice2081]

ahh the spain, I wish it would be like thay speak. Thay limit your bet365 very fast now. Last year you could have 3 weak to play without limits. No you go on court and thay reopen your bet365, but than thay close it again

[@betinum-tips]

@@bitcoinprice2081 How they reopen accounts?

[@bitcoinprice2081]

@@betinum-tips you need to go on the court against tham

[@johnfrancis55]

It’s obvious why serious bettors are forced to find ways to go off shore. It’s a totally uneven playing field with these scammers.

[@Vhuimo]

Eventually governments will clampdown on this abuse by betting companies,it will take time as it trickles country by country but my experience is that once there is noise , changes will happen eventually

[@albertkirsten8407]

Hi Shane, are there any updates on this matter? Any further inquiries etc?

[@JNG150]

Hi Shane, just had my account restricted after a weekly profit.....It's outrageous that they will take unsuccessful punters or people with gambling problems money consistently, but anyone that shows a bit of knowledge and profits isn't given the same opportunity.....this is utterly immoral and they have to be held accountable.

[@Mm-xr1rw]

hey man how do you continue to bet after being banned?

[@papadonkus]

Is it a possibility at some point down the road, that as a result of this investigation we might be immune from being restricted or never?

[@mondayzico9580]

The government should act fast, even to us in Africa (Nigeria). I have been banned, restricted and they took the money I won after asking for bank statement and others...

[@GengoSenmon]

They can't be allowed to have their cake and eat it too. If they are allowed to exploit people with gambling addictions, then sharps should be freely allowed to exploit them as well.

[@martyfree2389]

Exactly same here in UK. I was barred from william hill online as soon as got a couple of wins. This came after I had won a couple of times. It didn't happen during the year previous when I was losing money. SportsBet CEO there then in Australia clearly trying to cover up what he knows full well is going on.

[@Footgo759]

Hey I am not from Australia I need you to do a video on how can't I get limited on sports abitrade when doing it in Nigeria

[@geraldleuven169]

If they ban you all the time how can you possibly make money ? At some point all bookmakers have you on a blacklist and then it's game over right ? Are you still making money betting on sports today ?

[@bitcoinprice2081]

you open accounts on family and friends

[@FootballBet365]

I am the best booki!! I have profit every year about 70-140 units.

[@avocadoarms358]

occasionally? i know multiple people now that got lucky with theyre first bet being big hitting then sports bet close the account

[@realjt6951]

Promo abusing is a fair reason to cut customers off, the promos are something that’s just additional for customers to use outside of their regular betting behaviour. If customers are creating accounts just to use bonus credit or boosts and promotions, that’s abuse and a fair reason to cut them off, it’s against every betting company’s policy. Arbing is also against their policies for the most part, and arbing does not make people mathematically gifted, it’s not hard to find out what percentage outcome the prices are that you’re looking at, and it’s not hard to use a calculator to work out how much to stake on each side My issue with most betting companies is the fact that genuinely sharp bettors (who have no inside info, no promo rorting or anything like that) get limits put on their accounts to stop them from making proper money. Coz these guys are fair punters, they’re just good at it, no promo abuse, no arbing, just good. I believe there are laws in place in Australia where they have to give you a bet to win a certain amount on the main markets But as I said, at steers and promo abusers are pretty fairly treated, that’s not what betting is

[@markj702]

As someone who has tried Betting Arbitrage (which works IF you are disciplined and stick to the process), it's very simple to summarise the position of betting companies the world over. IF the betting company makes money from a higher percentage of punters losing on a market versus punters that win (money in versus money out), then there is NO way that they will not use techniques to limit or ban those punters who consistently win. In the same way as a pizza restaurant that offers "unlimited buffet" WILL throw you out if you eat too much. Both of those companies WILL go out of business if their audience "take advantage" and taking advantage is their own defined term and they make the rules to use their service. Therefore the only way to win consistently on the opposite side of an arbitrage is not to use a betting company like that. Use an exchange (which doesn't care if you win all the time because they take a percentage revenue from winners but not losers, so they essentially take revenue from every matched bet in the market). Take it from me: the Eye of Sauron WILL fall upon you if you win too much. And the reason for that: statistically you should not be winning "too" much at traditional betting companies. A casino/betting company is there to take consistent revenue from those who lose, and have the edge. Exchanges offer the back and lay side for punters and take a commission from setting up the trade. I'm not saying Exchanges should be trusted in every case. I'm saying if you are looking to bet without the risk of being closed down because you are too successful, then avoid casinos and traditional betting companies. While I'm not pro companies like that, you can't blame them for being what they are, just like you can't blame the pizza restaurant for not wanting to go out of business (funnily enough John Cena on The Graham Norton show tells of how a pizza place near him went out of business because as a starving student he "took advantage" of their eat all you can deal...).

[@CarlosSamuel-ms9ee]

I wouldn't have a problem with bookmakers protecting themselvesby restricting winning punters if they also protected excessively losing customers in the same way. Not methods like self exclusion that rely on gambling addicts to curb themselves. The problem is the entire practice of running a successful bookmaker relies on exploiting vulnerable minority of punters. And everything from adverts to promotions to selective stake limits is geared towards that end.

[@proverbalizer]

Rubbish, if you offer unlimited buffet and you set the price for the unlimited buffet you have no business kicking someone out simply because they have a big stomach

[@tonyclif1]

@@proverbalizer there have been news stories in the past of exactly this practice!

[@malcolmwasher2308]

sadly the lady in this clip passed away im told

[@kitgumayegang2562]

Thank you lady for fighting tooth & nail

[@Shane.Huang.]

✍️✍️☝️

[@claurencejohnperez1116]

Is there a clause in their terms and conditions about this? I think they had the final say if they want to limit your account or what, esp if you are winning

[@ShaneHuang88]

yeah their terms and conditions says they "reserve the right"

[@mohamedsherif4096]

Hi shane great video. I have a question, what if I intentionally placed ordinary bets that are actually may lose occasionally from time to time? Would they still figure out that I'm using arbitrage betting?

[@LUKA-y2z]

Thanks, Shane🙏. I'm texting you right now on Teleg.

[@adamjohnson5307]

My question is, what if you don’t do arbitrage betting but stop happens to winner often? Do they stop ban you?

[@proverbalizer]

Yes, like he said, if you win they assume you should be banned

[@Trollnix2]

Winning means being banned. People who play on their sites are losers.

[@malcolmwasher9915]

Yes my mate doesnt arb he got to 20 k a few times he was limited from ladbrookes and bet365

[@tonyclif1]

Ive heard another bookmaker state publicly that it does no good to their business model if they retain consistent winners on their books!

[@piotrpoleski2650]

People bet "on behalf of someone else", cause once they establish a winning account (they win more often than lose - and have their balance on +) they are getting institutionally banned from betting... (so they are forced to use other accounts)

[@MrX-wd8cm]

Effectively rigging the game heads the house wins, tails you lose Insider info or not ! This is nothing new happens all the time, Sports betting, IRL casinos ( see card counting - it works BUT you will get turfed out, I know I've tried !), Financial betting etc.

[@Shane.Huang.]

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[@rohan20850]

Can you please help and tell me a solution as I have a withdrawal pending around 55000 usd in 10 bet sports, I know it’s a good amount as I know I can make it and they are not cooperating and haven’t let me know before pausing the account as long weekend came and in btw they paused the account and now they are giving me an excuse so how can do that, help will be much appreciated.

[@williamgarcia9858]

Gambling is for losers, they don't want winners.

[@mondayzico9580]

Or better still the government should stop betting in total since the bookmakers only care for themselves

[@Ash1959]

A bookmaker could actually do well through welcoming arbitrage bettors. They can do this by diligently monitoring markets and moving their odds in line with a true market being honed by sharp punters. Arb bets will not be why bookies lose to these punters, it will only be because they are regularly getting caught on the bad side of the arb occurrences.

[@albertkirsten8407]

Could someone just please provide the link to the original video? I can't seem to find it on youtube

[@ShaneHuang88]

its in the description

[@DesignsDonbo]

Matchbook is notorious for this.

[@acool6401]

In a parimutuel system such as horse racing, why would the race track even care if you win or lose? After-all, don’t they get their percentage of the pool and then redistribute the remaining pool money to the winners or am I missing something? Okay, I could understand if the bettor was deliberately attracting money to a particular horse by placing huge bets on an over valued horse (essentially a false favorite) and then cancelling that bet with little time left on the clock after having significantly lowered its odds and then placing the money on the true value horse(s). Other than people who manipulate the market like that, why should they even care? If they are guaranteed to get their cut each and every time, they virtually never lose.

[@BlackWolfSportsTalk]

See sports books could easily get rid of this issue if they worked together on odds and lines but they won’t cause then they lose some of what makes them different. And if we are being honest it’s kinda messed up to punish the customer who notices it.

[@midnitebo]

The fact he won't just answer a simple question with a yes or no answer tells you all you need to know.

[@ghost-ow7co]

Crazy how they can constantly change odds and even practice unfair wages but we can't win constantly about to stop betting all together we just can't win old lines -160 fav +140 dogs -180 fav +160 dogs today's odds -160 fav +130 dogs -180 fav +140 dogs

[@StraightFactsSetter]

How is betway? Does it also bans?

[@bitcoinprice2081]

yes thay ban

[@tekken9476]

100%

[@papadonkus]

TAB banned me yesterday but they didn’t even lie. More or less just said hey mate you use the Bonuses too much we’ve restricted ya. Unlucky maaaaate.

[@brettgillie5636]

Hello Shane, thank you so much for posting this. As a beginner punter I truly appreciate it.

[@GodsWarLord333]

They ban you as soon as you start making large withdrawals like they did with me

[@cancetin2701]

they need to sent all transactions to one instution, to check what they are up to, their banning strategy. I think it should be banned in all countries till setting up a regulation like a bank

[@ShaneHuang88]

yep makes sense

[@cavit1]

Hocam ne anlatılıyor bu videoda çevirebilir misin kısaca merak ettim ? Sanırım bahisten kazananların banlanmasi ile ilgili bir durum ama tam anlayamadım

[@cancetin2701]

@@cavit1 kisacasi kazananlari banliyorlar, bu ban cesitli, oynamasini engellemekten, ona sadece belli maclari gostermeye kadar gidiyor. Regulasyon olmadigi icin, tamamen illegal hareket ediyorlar aslinda, bir zamanlar turkiyedeki forex ruzgari gibi , hatta bu da halen devam ediyor gibi..

[@tendaityndoh9119]

hi Shane...am from south Africa ...am not getting arbitrage here am registerd to 5 betting companies but am not getting any...please help

[@Shane_huang88_]

Ok 💯

[@tendaityndoh9119]

its saying I CAN ONLY SEND MESSAGES TO MUTUAL CONTACTS

[@tendaityndoh9119]

is there any way I can contact U?

[@clarkmaccormack3561]

She has come to the conclusion - but what's the use - because she won't do anything about it. And she can't do anything about it.

[@blueoak5262]

Someone else using your betting account has tax implications, if they win a lot of money using their money but your account then they at least need to share enough to pay the tax bills that will go to the owner of the account.

[@malcolmwasher2308]

Australian bookmakers are dodgy

[@PayPalvseBay]

I'm capped on esports with ladbrokes.

[@chang112x]

Bookmakers avoiding taking business risks by not paying winning customers.... If you don't want business risks, do not start a business...

[@ayoladeakintayo]

Can't work in Nigeria

[@alwardgrover3347]

Good vid Sportsbet are promoting bet with mates think i will team up with Waller & Waterhouse wonder how long before i get a ban if this was to happen

[@johnfrancis55]

If a person is restricted to $20 bets it’s the same as being banned.

[@ShowMexicanoyMas]

I know right? But if you lose and lose it’s not a problem

[@amedzobismark2265]

Meaning CEO want to ban sports betting 🥶🥶💔💔

[@richardj3104]

no just the winners

[@richardj3104]

try betting on your self best way to win ask shane huang he knows what i mean

[@dangoldenberg704]

'Behavior that is distorting a market for are other customers'...lol. How about 'We limit people who consistently win (even though we never limit those who lose) because we are greedy.' They don't want to say that, because current and potential customers would realize even if they are able to beat the lines, they still won't be able to win any substantial amount of money because they will be limited. That you really can't beat the book, but you can lose your shirt.

[@mannyr476]

I don’t give a fly fuck about promos or free money from the sports books I just am gifted at predicting mma fights and bet 365 has banned me for simply winning. I don’t even do arbitrage or use there goofy promos

[@winfrank1]

Do you tip ?

[@anon-842]

Let's be real though. If they didn't ban consistent winners, betting companies would go bankrupt. Someone could just arbritage with say $1M and the company would lose shit loads of money.

[@user-yg1dg6xm2g]

Pinnacle doesn't ban sports betting winners, and they've been around for decades.

[@puckluckwithmikeg]

If you have all the answers to the final exam, then you purposely should get 2-3 wrong to stay under the radar.....Arbritage isnt even gambling, and it seems incredibly tedious to do for the average joe.

[@graememackie686]

Ur a plum

[@bitcoinprice2081]

@@user-yg1dg6xm2g yes pinnacle also limit some players. But pinnacle have diferent model that thay work with vs soft bookmakers

[@ariseyhun2085]

Though which bookmakers let you bet 1M on a match?

[@AFRICANISMSOUL]

THIS GUYS COMPANY IS TAKING FROM PEOPLE BUT IF THEY WIN ITS A "VAR" TO CHECK YOU NOT ROBBING THEM IM NOT SIGNING UP I PREFER WALK IN.

[@tendaityndoh9119]

I"ve been watching your arbitrage videos repeatedly but still am not finding any

[@richardj3104]

look in the bin loads of options there

[@cancetin2701]

no regulation

[@Shane.Huang.]

☝️☝️✍️

[@drnumbers3210]

He’s good at tap dancing 😂

[@Shane.Huang.]

☝️☝️✍️

[@adamjohnson5307]

That horse trainer 👀

[@jerrybett6500]

Lol. Anyways, if anyone with Shane's mathematical advantage comes across this comment and wants to do a collab hmu. It's not illegal in Kenya for one to bet on your behalf (ignorance and illiteracy of many customers prohibits betting companies from creating that rule. It would otherwise be discrimination) So, we could use my account, 100% my stake and then share the profits 50/50. Anyone down for this?

[@bitcoinprice2081]

you can provide bet365 accounts from Kenya. How will you make deposits to 100s of bet365 accounts?

[@jonaslarsen94]

Hi jerry! Sounds good

[@josephakande9587]

Hi Jerry, I've got a proposal (not particularly on betting) so if you can get back on this I'll be waiting for your reply. I'm from Nigeria by the way.

[@richardj3104]

2 plus 2 is the answer five i am a genius just not at maths

[@ObfcrewOz]

Use an exchange. Problem no longer Problem then so they simply lose the liquidity who cares.. 😂

[@cisberlin8068]

希望哪天也有中文字幕。

[@richardj3104]

exactly my thoughts

[@HM-ss4jd]

The betting companies need to be more transparent about the terms and conditions of the services they provide to both winning and losing players. I don't support non disclosed betting limits imposed haphazardly by betting companies. However, I do think that if winning players are capped, losing players should be restricted as well where it has been idetified that patterns of continued large losses are occurring through poor betting strategies. If sportsbooks restrict the winners at a certain threshold, they should also be mandated through government intervention to have thresholds imposed on losers to prevent heavy losses. Caps on losers are actually way more important to the community, as it reduces gambling harm for those big punters and their families who may not have the will power to self exclude/restrict themselves. The occasional winning stratigic arbitrage player is free advertising for these sportbooks and should be celebrated.

[@puckluckwithmikeg]

the geographical location of the actual company makes a huge difference in policy though of course keep in mind.....Here in USA different states have crazy rules in different states, most and many states don't allow betting so people use other sites online that are located elsewhere that have different policies

[@andiandrei7353]

no, you are restricted because you didn't obey the rules, stop being a hypocrite. Most of sportsbooks buy markets from market makers/ bigger sportsbooks, they have all the info they need about people who want to break the no-arbitrage rule. yes, it's a rule, read the terms, smart college boy.

[@j.j.1064]

You seem to be treading carefully. I don't bet online any more because you Will get gimped. I do cash bets in a shop now. It kicks that nonsense to touch.

[@FootballBet365]

I have profit every month! Present for tommorow: Newcastle- Macarthur first half over 1,5 odds: 2,3

[@haroonmehmood5398]

Really nd how u make it

[@joshuaweeksy]

Well no profit this month

[@FootballBet365]

@@joshuaweeksy That's one match. Just today, I have profit 8 units. For april profit is about 12,2 units.

[@SPACECOWBOY_Hej]

finally!

[@Shane.Huang.]

✍️✍️☝️

[@dezmac528]

Good video yet the, "Because I'm Chinese I'm good at math" part was laughable. Math is a skill not a race/ethnicity, less stereotypes would be nice.

[@arrowsmashz]

Grow a pair

[@Linesrus-e9w]

Tell me where the challenge is in arbitrage betting? It's a form of cheating. Make money from sportsbooks the right way. The only thing I agree with is that arbitrage bettors should be ban but those who are making money the right way off the bookies should not be

[@ShreksSpliff]

Gambling shoudlnt

[@fender1000100]

Learn to play roulette then you wont have this nonsense.

[@wayneadler3451]

The ceo really doesn’t answer the women’s questions. He’s very vague.

[@Shane.Huang.]

✍️✍️☝️

[@richardj3104]

so would you if you was the c e o and on his huge salary

[@ilyasensahedaen7140]

Hahaha

[@peterbergman2131]

It has nothing to do with winners. Anyone who bets regularly will be a loser long term. They ban people who take value.

[@CarlosSamuel-ms9ee]

You just contradicted your first two points with your last point.

[@zac7915]

1st sentence wrong. 2nd sentence only if you 'gamble' as apposed to strategically bet. 3rd sentence is basically the whole point of the MPs line of questioning in that part of the inquiry.

[@richardj3104]

you sound like the ceo in yhis vid