How China Conquers Europe via EU's Green Deal?

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Ай бұрын

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@GoodTimesBadTimes
@GoodTimesBadTimes Ай бұрын
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@steephanroy8461
@steephanroy8461 Ай бұрын
Drop the accent.. vedio is excellent. You are beyond a time where u need to copy from Caspian reports. your channel already have enough momentum to steam roll the competition.. the accent is unattractive
@stupidburp
@stupidburp Ай бұрын
This video was below your usual standard because it appears to use history to justify China’s current actions and glosses over the vast amount of pollution created by the production in China that completely undermines the green economy goals of the customers.
@havencat9337
@havencat9337 Ай бұрын
the video its just way too subjective when you start making personal remarks on the presiden of CN. What is your problem? you as one person are more important then a bilion people and their will to chose their own way to govern? sorry but you are parrot nowdays...
@m3c4nyku43
@m3c4nyku43 Ай бұрын
Is Freddy Fazbear the one pronouncing "rawre ewrth"?
@m3c4nyku43
@m3c4nyku43 Ай бұрын
@@stupidburp China makes pollution at HALF the *per capita* rate that USA makes. When you're accusing China that they "pollute more" even though their rate is much lower than yours, you're essentially saying that you don't like the fact that there are too many Chinese in the world... Which is pretty racist if you didn't notice. And what could they possibly do that results in "so much" pollution? Ever heard of "Made in China"?! They're making stuff *for us!* We are deindustrializing and they're industrialized and make the stuff we want so of course that results in pollution that we were supposed to have instead. Redevelop your Industry if you want China to pollute less. But then you'll pollute more and suddenly you won't care about pollution or climate change anymore.
@Zvejas_EzYs
@Zvejas_EzYs Ай бұрын
Metals are not the same as opium - opium is burned while producing 0 benefits, and creates sideffects, meanwhile lithium etc. are not burned, and stay in Europe and can be recicled forever while creating massive economic and health benefits. Gass and oil are much more like the opium ;)
@maghambor
@maghambor Ай бұрын
I was thinking the same thing. Once a solar panel is installed, it’s likely to stay so for about 20 years and be an energy producing and financial asset.
@johnjingleheimersmith9259
@johnjingleheimersmith9259 Ай бұрын
@@maghambor and at end of life recycled, key materials harvested, and depending on the price of the material could have appreciated in value.
@johnjingleheimersmith9259
@johnjingleheimersmith9259 Ай бұрын
If China wants to ban exports of key raw materials, it is the Chinese rare earth material holders that will be left holding the bag with no one left to sell to. This political weapon is clearly a double edged sword.
@siemdecleyn3198
@siemdecleyn3198 Ай бұрын
We could open mines as well, we just prefer the cheaper products subsidised with Chinese tax money.
@johnjingleheimersmith9259
@johnjingleheimersmith9259 Ай бұрын
@@siemdecleyn3198 no we don't. the difference is that we have environmental land occupational laws and regulations to prevent companies from destroying our land, poisoning us, and abusing their employees. China has barely none of that in comparison, so they can do it all much more cheaply and quicker... at the expense of all listed above, as they control their media and hide all of that and suppress anyone that complains.
@siemdecleyn3198
@siemdecleyn3198 Ай бұрын
I wouldn't compare acquiring cheap solar panels, subsidised with Chinese tax money, to replace the import of gas with buying opium 😅
@unknownunknown102
@unknownunknown102 Ай бұрын
yes but that way European Industry will bankrupt
@grafity1749
@grafity1749 Ай бұрын
I think its time for an European Inflation Reduction Act!
@somcode5831
@somcode5831 Ай бұрын
Have you funished the video before the commenting
@stepanrusinko2456
@stepanrusinko2456 Ай бұрын
Unfortunately we cannot print so much money as the Americans with global reserve currency.
@havencat9337
@havencat9337 Ай бұрын
US wont allow that...
@sogerc1
@sogerc1 Ай бұрын
@@havencat9337
@SofaMuncher
@SofaMuncher Ай бұрын
Great episode! I really like the historical segments meshed with the current events!
@SuperFrosty85
@SuperFrosty85 Ай бұрын
I completely agree with this video. The problem is known in Europe, but Europeans do not act because of internal disputes.
@zawiszaczarny7876
@zawiszaczarny7876 Ай бұрын
More like ridicilous EU beurocrats acting like fanatic cult...
@mirkovicaleksandar9071
@mirkovicaleksandar9071 Ай бұрын
To achieve "green energy Europe" or whatever, demand is very high in terms of electronic and mechanical parts, as well as resources. What countries in Europe have all of that to fill demand? Russia? Ukraine? Well they at war and under sanctions now, thanks to US and NATO led by US. European internal disputes are here because EU is still too dependant on Uncle Sams pipi. Instead of giving money to develop facilities to create all the mentioned parts that could help with green deal and energy infrastructure development...they now have to send money to keep bleeding Ukraine in war caused by US and NATO expansion.... US was good in early cold war for rebuilding EU after ww2, when US still actually produced something useful for civil world. Now they only produce bombs and big macs. China on the other hand produces what EU needs, and is willing to sell, but US rose taxes on Chinas export via see routes controlled by US, so their businesses are stagnating and now selling for higher price... To be frank, it all seems complicated to me for no reason. I really do not know how all this shit should be properly sorted out. But everyone has seen in past 5 years that EU does not do shit on its own, even tho it could and should have been doing....EU internal disputes on LGBT and migrant rights - all while wars keep popping up and trade routes being closed and squeezed. I have no problem going to work from Serbia to Germany, to pull and connect cables. But I do have to scratch my head when thinking how a box of screws doesn't have "made in EU" instead of "made in China'...its laughable.
@DonkeyKong496
@DonkeyKong496 Ай бұрын
@@mirkovicaleksandar9071 "Ukraine in war caused by US and NATO expansion". Nah fam, Russian aggression has caused this war :)
@theotherohlourdespadua1131
@theotherohlourdespadua1131 Ай бұрын
​@@mirkovicaleksandar9071 Keep ignoring Europe's recent problem is caused by Russia invading Ukraine. Ight as well blame the victim for taunting the aggressor into attacking...
@pro-libertatibus
@pro-libertatibus Ай бұрын
@@DonkeyKong496 Don't pay any head to the lies of Ruscist trolls.
@nathanfay1988
@nathanfay1988 Ай бұрын
Hey GTBT, I originally subscribed to your channel thanks to an old partnership with Caspian Report. Sadly that channel has been shifting toward less plausible visions of the future but you have stayed true. I respect your work and am happy to have subscribed those years ago :)
@Metalhead_69
@Metalhead_69 Ай бұрын
I agree, I also came from Shirvan and now watch every video that our Polish host produces :) Niech żyje Polska!
@justskip4595
@justskip4595 Ай бұрын
Last video from him I watched had bunch of stuff about Finland and what he was saying was like straight out of the mouth of Medvedev. I listened to it all to hear if he would provide anything from Finnish perspective and there was nothing. If I want to hear that sort of stuff, I'll just listen to it straight from the Russians like I have been doing my entire life.
@g1y3
@g1y3 Ай бұрын
Different perspectives from different regions
@jirislavicek9954
@jirislavicek9954 Ай бұрын
Yeah, Caspian Report goes downhill becoming a money grabbing channel promoting dubious products or outright scams.
@calvinhoward3808
@calvinhoward3808 Ай бұрын
@@g1y3 No, caspian has become too far out and theoretical. I don't want to hear about imaginary Saudi projects. Tell me in-depth information about what is going on now and the history that lead to it.
@user-ck6bf3ke1w
@user-ck6bf3ke1w Ай бұрын
I'm not sure where you were going with your opium/EV sales comparison, or what drugs even have to do with car sales. What happened back then was tragic, but cars aren't drugs, and simply don't negatively effect you like drugs do IMO. I can see the monetary wealth drain & that has to stop ASAP.
@mrantipatia1872
@mrantipatia1872 Ай бұрын
Shortest documentary of GoodTimesBadTimes:
@somcode5831
@somcode5831 Ай бұрын
Have you funished the video before the commenting
@mrantipatia1872
@mrantipatia1872 Ай бұрын
@@somcode5831 I won't even explain, it's useless
@-thescholar5805
@-thescholar5805 Ай бұрын
@@somcode5831 It humor and its not that complicated to get
@jacobjones630
@jacobjones630 Ай бұрын
The Copium in these comments is irresistible. Maybe the Europeans should try selling that.
@m3c4nyku43
@m3c4nyku43 Ай бұрын
A lot of people in the comments here know what to do better than the European leaders that they support. Maybe it's the evil capitalism that's holding them back from enacting their ideas. 😁
@patrickdegenaar9495
@patrickdegenaar9495 Ай бұрын
We need a massive effort to shift to a low carbon economy. The problem is not that China has been leading efforts, but rather that the EU has not upped its game.
@m3c4nyku43
@m3c4nyku43 Ай бұрын
No, you don't understand. China doesn't open their markets? China bad. China opens their markets and makes stuff for us and companies offshore it? China bad. China pollutes at half the rate we do but because there's way more of them and they make stuff for us resulting in greater total? China bad. China poor? China bad. China becoming rich? China bad ("""overcapacity"""). China leads in green energy and they make it cheaper and better than ours? China bad (because our companies can't keep up with them). Do you see the pattern now? Hope this helped!
@araara4746
@araara4746 Ай бұрын
My favorite part of the free market that the US and its allies forced on the world was when they were no longer a super power in the world market, and suddenly it's like all the free market principles never existed. 😁😁😁
@forgemaster6120
@forgemaster6120 Ай бұрын
23:13 1972? that is an error
@weird_life
@weird_life Ай бұрын
Was gonna comment about that,most probably he meant 1927.
@1paris1942
@1paris1942 Ай бұрын
I think he meant 1927.
@lucasglowacki4683
@lucasglowacki4683 Ай бұрын
Give him a break…he’s Polish and all🤷🏻‍♂️
@ngsamuel747
@ngsamuel747 Ай бұрын
I really liked the combination of history with current events
@Mark-ps2iy
@Mark-ps2iy Ай бұрын
But the comparison is a bit off. Opium crippled the Chinese economy, while cheap solar panels and EVs would certainly support the European industry.
@mouse9915
@mouse9915 Ай бұрын
Really good pacing and flow on this script. Good job!
@markusleboschka6878
@markusleboschka6878 Ай бұрын
Fascinating analysis, very well described. The only thing that I see: Green energy is not opium, it is not self-destructive. I think if China can transform itself with their technology they will be able to outclass every other country due to extremely low energy costs, which will give them an edge in production that europe cannot cope with. I'm a scientist, a chemist, and with many collogues could not find a proper job to put my education to use, while China did focus on research and development. I think Europe, especially Germany where I lived for long time wasted at least 20 years here, and will have to pay the price for it, although it is good to see them trying to catch up. Once the green energy network is set up, maintaining it is simpler, and should be doable domestically without being addicted to China, as green energy generation does not put much strain on the facilities due the mild temperatures and conditions compared to combustion or nuclear power. So the only problem I see is corrosion, and here using long-term materials especially for windmills will lead towards a stronger independence. Because the result of a green transformation will be more or less energy independence if the country manages to generate the industry to maintain the green energy production facilities on its own which I do not consider so difficult. Big Plus: you do need need ANY fuel, you use what is there anyway.
@PhilipZeplinDK
@PhilipZeplinDK Ай бұрын
Denmark just finished a single windmill that is powering 32,000 households. I think we're good.
@ihwras
@ihwras Ай бұрын
Let us know when Denmark commands the wind to run it 24/7. Europe needs to wake up with this attitude. Americans invented in all sorts of energy sources and we still think we’ll solve the problem with wind and solar.
@fs3859
@fs3859 Ай бұрын
32,000 households... when the wind blows. And when it doesn't, you need some form of back up. Today primarily natural gas. And in the (green) future, probably batteries from China
@PhilipZeplinDK
@PhilipZeplinDK Ай бұрын
@@fs3859 astroturfing gotta astroturf I guess
@spajkilza1992
@spajkilza1992 Ай бұрын
@@PhilipZeplinDK Denmark's location, flatness, coastline length and weather allows good use of wind turbines, but it don't apply to the whole of Europe.
@mohammedraheem6288
@mohammedraheem6288 Күн бұрын
Hydrogen storage/ hydro power.
@john.8805
@john.8805 Ай бұрын
Great video and great summary, I read a lot of news but learned something new here.
@mono29776
@mono29776 Ай бұрын
Is EU losing its pv and wind turbine manufacturing industry to China? Yes but considering: 1. Installing renewable energy production reduces the reliance on oil and gas import from Russia and Middle East. So on this argument, it is money spent on China to keep money away from Russia and saving money in the long run. 2. Pv and wind turbines are physically installed in EU. EU can nationalise them anytime when relations go hot. 3. Installation and service create far more job than manufacturing does. So without China output, EU will lose more job in net total. 4. Even if EU wants to produce pv and turbines inside the EU, EU is not blessed with the rare earth elements in its border. Therefore, EU would rely on Chinese suppliers anyway. 5. Pv and wind turbine know-how is not that high unlike in automotive, aerospace. So China with their planned economy style, they would dominate this industry eventually. What would be the cost of subsidising this industry in the EU? When they controls both the raw materials and has better competitive advantage? That is my view on energy policy with China. But this does not apply for EV automotive which I think China is really brizkriging the EU. EU played right into their hands.
@juriscervenaks8953
@juriscervenaks8953 Ай бұрын
@mono29776 China cars will grow in EU only if amoral EU citizens will continue to buy lowest price cars.
@siemdecleyn3198
@siemdecleyn3198 Ай бұрын
Since the US decoupled from China, China is dependent on trade with the EU. The EU should use this leverage.
@m3c4nyku43
@m3c4nyku43 Ай бұрын
China is still USA's biggest trading partner (yes, #1, more than the EU, Canada and Mexico). USA is still China's biggest trading partner. The EU are not the only ones in the world. China has the Rare Earths. Every leverage the EU would try on China, China can counter-leverage with the Rare Earths.
@XDF745
@XDF745 Ай бұрын
They're not even close to decoupled.
@ex0duzz
@ex0duzz Ай бұрын
Lol if you think EU has leverage over China. EU is not a united country, and if it had and could use such leverage over China it wouldn't be a follower of USA for the most part.
@gerrardlee8879
@gerrardlee8879 Ай бұрын
China is living rent free in Westerners brain
@billy6479
@billy6479 Ай бұрын
wanted to know more about this topic, thanks !
@AustinKelly94
@AustinKelly94 Ай бұрын
Wind turbines with 30% higher output and 70% cheaper. Surely that's a miracle breakthrough in a climate crisis, no matter where the origin
@kilpinis
@kilpinis Ай бұрын
You are new to chinese 😂 specification of chinese products are allways fake in higher numbers.
@Nuli-YT
@Nuli-YT Ай бұрын
@@kilpinis in battery storage (Tesla use CATL one) and PV they are leader. In telecomunication Huawei is world number one too with has 14.59% of global 5G patents. Second Qualcomm have 10%. Every phone which use 5G pay 2,5$ to huawei for patent even Iphone.
@Qnexus7
@Qnexus7 Ай бұрын
@@Nuli-YT 5g tech patents: huawei: 15,4% samsung: 13,3% nokia: 13,2% qualcomm: 12,9% lg: 8,7% zte(china): 5,6% sharp:4:6% ericsson: 4,6% every phone manufacturer pays for used 5g tech in their devices, huawei at 2,5$ are the cheapest with theirs.
@JsJdv
@JsJdv Ай бұрын
​@@kilpinisAnd you're new to thinking, clearly.
@parthasarathyvenkatadri
@parthasarathyvenkatadri Ай бұрын
If we transition to hydrogen using hydrogen combustion... We would side step all this ...
@stupidburp
@stupidburp Ай бұрын
Hydrogen combustion in practice creates NOx pollution in significant amounts. theoretical limitations of this don’t work in practice.
@climate-moneymakingcampaig305
@climate-moneymakingcampaig305 Ай бұрын
If we stop believing climate BS, would be cheaper than that
@theotherohlourdespadua1131
@theotherohlourdespadua1131 Ай бұрын
Biggest problem with Hydrogen is storage. Hydrogen has a weird and detrimental effect on any storage container used for its storage. Due to being the element of the smallest atomic size, it can pass through any material at a steady pace (effusion), losing all that hydrogen over time. That effect is worse with metal tanks because hydrogen is very reactive, forming brittle metal hydrides that can lead to catastrophic failures...
@benjaminkeen7133
@benjaminkeen7133 Ай бұрын
Where is the hydrogen coming from? Fft.
@jacobjones630
@jacobjones630 Ай бұрын
LOL, best get moving then
@user-ck6bf3ke1w
@user-ck6bf3ke1w Ай бұрын
Somebody had to make design & make them, and the US wasn't stepping up, so TY Chinese solar manufactures for helping to save the planet by taking Global Warming seriously, making it number one on your to-do-list, and putting your entire government behind forging new innovative solutions! Props where props are due.
@richbattaglia5350
@richbattaglia5350 Ай бұрын
It’s about resource independence not green energy. Let’s get the picture right. Europe wants to be strong like America. But it can’t when it imports all of its energy demands. It cannot support its population without immigration. It cannot sustain a war against Russia without the United States. That is why the green energy plan exists.
@marcobonesi6794
@marcobonesi6794 Ай бұрын
no ,if that was the case , the eu nations would push for nuclear energy instead.
@grafity1749
@grafity1749 Ай бұрын
​​@@marcobonesi6794 They do both. Dont gamble evrything on one technology, especially because there are many problems with builing new nuclear plants. (See UK, France and Finland)
@Finkaisar
@Finkaisar Ай бұрын
Immigration cant fix population problems. Its at most, postponing the crisis. Only positive fertility rate will fix it.
@marcobonesi6794
@marcobonesi6794 Ай бұрын
@@grafity1749 do both??? where? Only france and poland are doing it. Germany has even closed its last nuclear reactors because of the political blackmail of the greens. And by the way,there are far more problems in building wind and solar farms and the necessary grid than building nuclear plants. in fact if the debt rates to finance nuclear energy were the same as to finance "green " projects (a purely political decision) ,nuclear would be overwhelmingly preferred.
@climate-moneymakingcampaig305
@climate-moneymakingcampaig305 Ай бұрын
The renewable energy sources are scam , it didnt work in the same germany with 500 billion euro investment from germany , they are still dependent , its like a loop , u buy billions of the solar and wind plants, then still dependent , u buy more and more , until the old ones are old and gone , u buy more . When u look up the relation between china and WEF , and their main connector HENRY KISSINGER who was main element that has let china to enter the world trade organisation and started their growth , when u know KISSINGER in 2018 said :"its time the world center of gravity changes from atlantic to pacific" , then YOU GET THE WHOLE POLITICAL PLAN ! It has never been about independency , such renewable scam sources is so wobbly that cant even be taken serious , it was planned to boost china to become "the world center of gravity" .
@patrickdegenaar9495
@patrickdegenaar9495 Ай бұрын
Ps.. it is "middle country" not "middle kingdom".. Once upon a time countries were kingdoms.. but not now.
@brittadueandersen2519
@brittadueandersen2519 Ай бұрын
Not in Google translation.
@patrickdegenaar9495
@patrickdegenaar9495 Ай бұрын
@@brittadueandersen2519 "Zhong" = middle/central, "guo" = country. Google Translate seems to get that just fine. Kingdom = "Wang" = King, "Guo" = Country. But no one uses that terminology.
@danielhalachev4714
@danielhalachev4714 Ай бұрын
Of 5 comments that I commented, only one is visible. At this point, I won't even bother commenting, nor even watching. KZbin's censorship is going too far!
@juriscervenaks8953
@juriscervenaks8953 Ай бұрын
@danielhalachev4714 I am not sure if it is even humans blocking, removing comments. Most likely bad or malicious algorithm. As long as YT continue censorship, alternative platforms will grow.
@tonycheung9358
@tonycheung9358 27 күн бұрын
For regions like Hong Kong that do not produce EVs, we are delighted to import what are known as overcapacity EVs. As for those regions producing EVs, you have two options: either increase your productivity or raise tariffs to protect your auto industry in the short term. However, in the long run, good luck to you.
@kzsposeidon3121
@kzsposeidon3121 Ай бұрын
Brilliant analysis! Really enjoy these long and In-depth videos! The pronunciation of "rare earth metal" made me giggle a bit - keep the good work going man!!!
@m3c4nyku43
@m3c4nyku43 Ай бұрын
He passed the mic to Freddy Fazbear.
@dxelson
@dxelson Ай бұрын
Difference in this game is that China cant use force the same way the British did. I mean it can, but were living in different times and it would lose support fomr the Global South
@m3c4nyku43
@m3c4nyku43 Ай бұрын
Would they really?
@hyuxion
@hyuxion Ай бұрын
Doers will keep doing, talkers will keep talking, and it is obvious who is just talks.
@dosmastrify
@dosmastrify Ай бұрын
STILL HAPPY HUBERT IS BACK!
@kobalt6927
@kobalt6927 Ай бұрын
I love that you used the "leaf icon" as the symbol for green energy.
@SincerelyFromStephen
@SincerelyFromStephen Ай бұрын
The U.S. was once the world leader in solar panel manufacturing and just decided to completely give up on the edge it had over the rest of the world.
@grafity1749
@grafity1749 Ай бұрын
So also Germany. Conservatism and fossil fuel lobby destroy our countries.
@worldofdoom995
@worldofdoom995 Ай бұрын
I think overwhelming lobbying and production of fossil fuels had something to do with that. Even if we went full speed ahead it was going to be cheaper in China.
@somcode5831
@somcode5831 Ай бұрын
Have you funished the video before the commenting
@Vractis
@Vractis Ай бұрын
Yea that's not what happened. China just MASSIVELY subsidizes its industries and no one can compete against that. China's labor isn't even cheap anymore. It's straight up government subsidies and they try to dump product on the rest of the world.
@narcispana9361
@narcispana9361 Ай бұрын
Great analysis! Welcome back!
@RJBentlej
@RJBentlej Ай бұрын
Thanks this video!
@keffinsg
@keffinsg Ай бұрын
Nuanced and intelligent content. Thanks! and Subscribed!
@12pentaborane
@12pentaborane Ай бұрын
I haven't watched the full video, but I think its cool that this came out a few days after Just Have A Think made a video about China's rapid renewables expansion.
@stupidburp
@stupidburp Ай бұрын
China promotes propaganda about their fake efforts to support a green economy. China’s version of green is to paint fake vegetation green to fool imagery from satellites.
@m3c4nyku43
@m3c4nyku43 Ай бұрын
What are they saying in that video? That China bad because they make good stuff too fast (& cheaper than us) now?
@12pentaborane
@12pentaborane Ай бұрын
@@m3c4nyku43 No it was the exact opposite, or I thought it had a certain naivety towards China's foreign ambitions.
@kc4276
@kc4276 Ай бұрын
0:31 The phrase 'The Old Continent' is only used to describe Europe when juxtaposing it with America (NA and SA), or Australia (Oceania) - not Asia or Africa 😅
@karloyu3484
@karloyu3484 Ай бұрын
EU should start to rely on themselves instead of relaying solely to China manufacturer. Think of ways to extract your own minerals so as not the be over reliance to China for rare earth materials manufacturing ion batteries, wind turbines, photovoltic panels for your electricity consumptions...be competitive again in this Industries.♥️
@climate-moneymakingcampaig305
@climate-moneymakingcampaig305 Ай бұрын
Best solution, is europe to stop believing the climate BS that they themselves made up. With 0.04% co2 in atmosphere not only its not any effective, lowering from 0.04% might be dangerous for plants
@karloyu3484
@karloyu3484 Ай бұрын
🤍👍
@jacobjones630
@jacobjones630 Ай бұрын
That's not really possible. Comparative advantage is cruel and nobody in Europe wants a closed economy or central planning.
@kuanged
@kuanged Ай бұрын
​@@jacobjones630The Europeans should pull their heads out of their bums and stop regarding Europe as "the garden". Western civilization is NOT the end of history. The sooner they can accept it, the sooner they can start working on becoming competitive again.
@user-lz5dz1qx2q
@user-lz5dz1qx2q Ай бұрын
When they say that they usually go to the other part when European say we won't depend on China, they depend on Uncle Sam and the vice-versa
@tio301
@tio301 Ай бұрын
I think one of the ways to save EU industry is to rellocate 80% - 90% of all industrial production capacities in countries like Romania, Bulgaria, Greece, Serbia, etc. All these countries have a perfect combination of factors like high levels of corruption and a large pool of low skilled labour which would give western european companies a competitive advantage when it comes to the cost of labour and production and enable western european companies to focus on R&D and high value added manufacturing.
@m3c4nyku43
@m3c4nyku43 Ай бұрын
But then they will be developed and the ideological conflicts between West and East Europe would intensify. More Eastern European countries would look for themselves like Hungary, Slovakia, Poland etc. and the EU won't be able to apply pressure if they don't have all the "values" of Bruxelless has to offer. You need to keep everyone poor except yourself, let China produce for you and then blame them for having pollution because they make the stuff you want. Isn't that genius? Someone should give the ones who came up with this plan a pat on the back!
@Qnexus7
@Qnexus7 Ай бұрын
@@m3c4nyku43 eastern european countries looking for themselves like hungary... is bs. many values bruxelless has to offer are bs. all such things can and most probably will be subject to changes. maybe orban will hold his throne somewhat longer.
@gabkchan
@gabkchan Ай бұрын
The parallel to China's century of humiliation is interesting but comparing opium with industrial goods and services that will (hopefully) eventually save our species is disingenuous. The EU has plenty of advantages that China never would have.
@Hyperion1040
@Hyperion1040 Ай бұрын
Looks like a bright future for Europe
@kennyyap9745
@kennyyap9745 Ай бұрын
THERE'S NO SMART USA POLITICIANS(ONLY CORRUPTED)....BUT ONLY STUPID SCIENTISTS/VOTERS (60%) WHO FOLLOWED THEM.....😊😅😂
@nardcore661
@nardcore661 Ай бұрын
Guys the last video basically told me we saved the world from escalating into a conventional world war so this shit doesn’t faze me
@catinbootsnow4267
@catinbootsnow4267 Ай бұрын
The question is simple: Does EU wants cheaper and cleaner energy to boost its economy and improve the European people's living standard?
@markusleboschka6878
@markusleboschka6878 Ай бұрын
Lithium can be replaced with sodium. These batteries have 10-15% less storage capacity, but they are independent of resources as sodium is everywhere (common salt is sodium chloride) and for usage as stationary batteries the extra weight and maybe space does not matter. Lithium makes sense for portable or moving energy sources.
@crhu319
@crhu319 Ай бұрын
Aqueous batteries just hit 1200Wh/L which is roughly one kilowatt hour per kg. With WATER. Sodium ion batteries are guaranteed 12 years, 1.5M km by CATL now. Lithium just doesn't matter. And all the rare earths are recyclable and have substitutes now. Even solar panels can be made with chlorophyll.
@vencislav_krumov
@vencislav_krumov Ай бұрын
Another eye-openning report.
@falsul96
@falsul96 Ай бұрын
That’s why we need to push for a more conservative eu parliament
@m3c4nyku43
@m3c4nyku43 Ай бұрын
If you do that Ursula says that "we have tools".
@emiliopenayo4738
@emiliopenayo4738 Ай бұрын
i love listening chinese history from a western commentator, i see no problem with this and there are no clear biases at all
@ez_company9325
@ez_company9325 Ай бұрын
so we should all learn mandarin and listen to a local history with a local spin? he was pretty clearly making China out to be a victim of historical colonialism
@airborndick2321
@airborndick2321 Ай бұрын
Compare colonial opium wars with green tech,how is it not biased?
@jajajejehjune4301
@jajajejehjune4301 Ай бұрын
superb analysis !
@ngsamuel747
@ngsamuel747 Ай бұрын
great video
@94SL3
@94SL3 Ай бұрын
Great episode despite some small errors in details like the 1972 year mentioned.
@CezaryCezary-vf4hy
@CezaryCezary-vf4hy Ай бұрын
Interesting
@petterbirgersson4489
@petterbirgersson4489 Ай бұрын
Hubert's voice!
@jonjeckell
@jonjeckell Ай бұрын
Europe does need to move out quickly on this transition but comparisons with the Opium wars are hyperbole. Opium is addictive and destructive, and requires regular purchases to feed an addiction. Selling me solar panels and batteries is, in Marxist terms, selling me the means of production. Solar panels last for more than 50 years and car lithium batteries are warrantied to hold 80% of their original charge after 8 years, after which many are being used for grid storage for years after, and then they can be 100% recycled. I also highly doubt the Chinese had the foresight to deliberately plan to ensnare the Europeans like this. China has its own reasons to go green as quickly as possible. Look at all of the places in the world that net export oil and petroleum products and draw a line from there to China. Only Russia shares an adjacent border, but the vast majority of the oil production is on the European side and they have been arguing for years who should build a pipeline across some of the most inhospitable terrain on the planet across 5 time zones to shift to China. Otherwise almost all of the rest of it passes past India and through the strait of malacca to reach them.
@attilaabonyi8879
@attilaabonyi8879 Ай бұрын
China sees democratic nations such as those on our continent to be "inefficient", "sides that bicker all the time" etc. China is an authoritarian state, it does not see it's neighbours as equals, nor their african partners that they have indebted themselves to china, no, china sees these as pawns on a chessboard to be used against nations that do not align with china's worldview.
@alvarocampillo4026
@alvarocampillo4026 Ай бұрын
I totally agree with this comment. Comparisons with the opium wars and colonialism are way out of touch with reality. Chinese are as captive in selling us as we are in buying from them. Arguably their position is worse, since we can easily ditch them. Solar panels are not crazy difficult to produce, if need ever arises to reshore that, and it's European R&D at the forefront of solar cells anyway. Also the sooner (and cheaper) we Europeans become energy independent, the better. At this moment solar is already cheaper than burning coal/oil/gas for electricity production, and being green is just a plus. I agree with the video in the good move the Chinese made with the rare earth elements, and also all the unfair industrial subsidies and the bending of the WTO rules they have been doing for decades now. More should be done about that here in Europe.
@gregorykons7823
@gregorykons7823 Ай бұрын
Is is possible to produce all the necessary components for western civilization in the west? With chinas superior rare earth production?
@robertn2951
@robertn2951 Ай бұрын
5:02 Beautiful architecture...
@CocoaBeachLiving
@CocoaBeachLiving Ай бұрын
I think it's kind of ironic. Ten years ago and more, most people I spoke with on the CCP's efforts make their apparent global effort to dominate major industries (and military of course) said I was being overly dramatic and why can't I just be happy for China (the communists)....
@--Dani
@--Dani Ай бұрын
Europe could still wake up and change course…will they is the question.
@user-si2vb3yg3u
@user-si2vb3yg3u Ай бұрын
Bro the People in the EU are NPC's forget it.
@jacobjones630
@jacobjones630 Ай бұрын
No they can't. It's over. Accept we're entering a Chinese century
@crhu319
@crhu319 Ай бұрын
Europe needs to focus not on power generation at all but on very extreme energy efficiency engineering. Then it's designs will pay royalties wherever manufactured.
@jameschu512
@jameschu512 Ай бұрын
Inexpensive EV and photovoltaic panels will accelerate efficient transformation of green energy benefit all countries and save earth from climate calamities. It also help stop extinction of many rare animal species and plant life.
@timmygomez6007
@timmygomez6007 Ай бұрын
Janet Yellen has no spine and goes back on her word whenever she can. The worst treasury secretary ever
@johnjingleheimersmith9259
@johnjingleheimersmith9259 Ай бұрын
"...in return, he promised Europe an important place in the new multipolar world." Xi should remember a great quote indirectly about hubris, ""Politicians are like diapers. They need changing often, and for the same reason." - Joseph P. Kennedy
@m3c4nyku43
@m3c4nyku43 Ай бұрын
The CIA knows best when to change a (US) President, don't they? 😉
@WalkOverHotCoal
@WalkOverHotCoal Ай бұрын
What makes a country rich? Trades. Yes, buying and selling. Well, preferably more selling than buying, that is how you get a trade surplus. For a country to sell more, you need (1). the goods people want to buy, (2). Your goods are affordable, (3). You need good foreign relationship, and (4). You have a monopoly on the goods you are selling. China was dominate during the days when the Silk Road threaded along many countries and continents. It has #1,#2, #3 and especially #4....monopoly. China would not allow silk worms to be exported, and was punishable by death if anyone was caught doing it. But that monopoly was broken when an Italian monk stole some silk worms and bred them in Europe. Before the monopoly was broken, China became rich and powerful because influential people wanted silk garments to show off their wealth. Then another commodity also brought China wealth...tea. But that was actually a curse for China because the British Empire couldn't pay for the tea consumed, and paid for it in opium. That was the downfall of China...the Opium War !!! But the modern day China is doing well in trades albeit without #4...monopoly. It has #1,. #2 and #3. China, being an industrious nation, is manufacturing and selling stuffs people want to buy, and are "budget friendly". In regard to "budget friendly", some would call it "CHEAP", with a tone of dismissive, jealousy, and possibly racist overtone because Chinese people can't make high quality stuff. Being "budget friendly", China manages to sell stuffs by ship loads. That draws weasel words such as "overcapacity" from the US, as well as from Europe. Interpretation: They cannot compete with China ! US;s good time has come and passed. The dominance of US cars brought wealth and even pop music to Americans. I dare say that the US also wasted a lot of resources desperately to maintain a facade of being the #1. Well, some would call it #1 bully, depending on which side of the fence you are on. Weapon industry would bring wealth, but not everyone wants a rocket launcher or a machine gun, like Americans !!! So China's rise again shouldn't be a surprise to anyone because that is China's fortune waxed and waned throughout its long history. The US is but a baby in historical time scale.
@mrdarknezz
@mrdarknezz Ай бұрын
You missed the backbone of EUs energy transformation which is a three times increased nuclearpower capacity
@rudicxcs9457
@rudicxcs9457 Ай бұрын
It it so? France cant even hold their level of nuclear energy use in the next 20 years. There are building far to few new reactors to compensate for the old ones that cant operate any further. Only a few single member state are planning (and acutally building) more nuclear in the future.
@crhu319
@crhu319 Ай бұрын
Absolute nonsense.
@bonkersblock
@bonkersblock Ай бұрын
If I was EU I’ll let the Chinese build all the infrastructure for photovoltaics in the EU ? Then nationalize it! 😂
@grafity1749
@grafity1749 Ай бұрын
The problem is that there is a great dependency while building.
@theotherohlourdespadua1131
@theotherohlourdespadua1131 Ай бұрын
You sure you wanted to antagonize the PRChinese, instigate a massive legal battle over exportation, and trigger severe economic doubt? That is exactly what Argentina did multiple times leading to its wild economic stagnation for over the last 70 years or so...
@m3c4nyku43
@m3c4nyku43 Ай бұрын
What if you also tricked the rich capitalists and also nationalized their assets, and then invest the surplus value back to the workers or in state projects that benefit the country? That would be so funny. 😂
@victorye7150
@victorye7150 Ай бұрын
Lmao!I dare the EU have the balls to do so. Other wise PLA will deliver some liberations to the EU.
@bonkersblock
@bonkersblock 29 күн бұрын
@@victorye7150 China has the balls to go after NATO?? 🤣
@jonassvelander1622
@jonassvelander1622 Ай бұрын
One of the best videos you ever made!!! Thank you!!!
@MrZekinhaluiz
@MrZekinhaluiz Ай бұрын
Your channel is awesome. Please take a look at the Brazilian version. They adapt the content in a way that spoils your well researched content.
@pcopeland15
@pcopeland15 Ай бұрын
?
@zbigniewmalec4816
@zbigniewmalec4816 Ай бұрын
It would be really great for eu to revise economy policy. Producing here with higher environmental standards should be encouraged, not penalised with uneven competition with cheaper and more pollutant countries.
@grafity1749
@grafity1749 Ай бұрын
This just functions with state subsidies, like china does it. But liberitarean and right parties will block that 😢
@deathling3162
@deathling3162 Ай бұрын
W video
@Barwasser
@Barwasser Ай бұрын
Excellent video!
@holakun6578
@holakun6578 Ай бұрын
Raw rawgh rawgh 🐶
@tktheo1386
@tktheo1386 Ай бұрын
🎉🎉
@MMerlyn91
@MMerlyn91 27 күн бұрын
27:10 This is quite insane, these guys genuinely think heat pumps are enough to keep a house warm and the fact that they see our houses as the problem makes me fear these people even more than communists.
@pyroman2918
@pyroman2918 Ай бұрын
We need to do the same as China. Give our companies in these new technologies heavy subsidies, to make them competetive and help them grow, or at least survive against China. We especially need to protect our wind industry, since that is something where we have been doing well, we have several big companies that are now in danger. Letting them fall would be a fatal mistake. Getting into a subsidy war in China is not really a problem, because we want to be supporting the deployment of green technologies anyway, making them cheaper through subsidies fulfills that goal. What we should stop doing is subsidising purchas of these technologies like batteries, PV panels, EVs etc, if they are imported from China. Just like with the US IRA, only EU made products should qualify for such subsidies.
@jerrelhurenkamp5251
@jerrelhurenkamp5251 Ай бұрын
Rar arf metals
@yanamichi
@yanamichi Ай бұрын
Best accent
@user-dl7ju
@user-dl7ju Ай бұрын
@@yanamichi I'm not even worried about his east european accent but he should at least get the pronunciation right. He's often changing the meaning of words which is very annoying. I mean this narration is far from being a professionally done work.
@m3c4nyku43
@m3c4nyku43 Ай бұрын
Freddy Fazbear accent
@pemonline3395
@pemonline3395 Ай бұрын
You mentioned the incompetence of the Chinese, but not the greed of the wicked West.
@user-dl7ju
@user-dl7ju Ай бұрын
"The greed of the wicked West" has been the motor of development and civilization ever since the colonization era began. Quite literally the world got out the middle ages(some parts out of the stone age)because of the wicked West.
@caven7056
@caven7056 Ай бұрын
@@user-dl7ju still wicket though
@aachoocrony5754
@aachoocrony5754 Ай бұрын
​@@user-dl7juerr no, colonization caused more suffering than riches. Btw, the Chinese aren't incompetent at all. They're showing us how to do capitalism better. Your defense of wickedness is laughable and the most pathetic I've seen.
@arikliane779
@arikliane779 Ай бұрын
Hubert Doobert
@sidp5381
@sidp5381 Ай бұрын
How many considering the European powers what they did to China carving it up and enforcing those unequal treaties on them and forcing them through the center of humiliation this is definitely justified. This is like a touch of
@peterfireflylund
@peterfireflylund Ай бұрын
Perhaps you should read up on China’s history? The real history, not that of the CCP or Chinese nationalists or western Communists. Europe did NOT plunder China’s resources. China was incredibly badly managed. Europe transferred lots of very useful tech to China. Europe also gave China better courts, more rule of law, better taxation, a postal service, access to world markets, better administration, railways, better roads, better ships, better houses, medicine that actually works, glass factories (that the Chinese elite smashed several times), etc.
@hi4806
@hi4806 Ай бұрын
@@peterfireflylundThe British and French also put the artworks they stole from China in their museums.I advised them to return it to Beijing as soon as possible. China people are a nation with a detailed record of history.
@peterfireflylund
@peterfireflylund Ай бұрын
@@hi4806 return all the IP you stole first.
@hi4806
@hi4806 Ай бұрын
@@peterfireflylund China's ancient cultural relics belong to China civilization, but they are not yours. Your museums should mainly display the cultural relics of western civilization, not the things plundered from other countries, as if they have some kind of trophy symbol?
@peterfireflylund
@peterfireflylund Ай бұрын
@@hi4806 aren’t you glad they were saved so Mao couldn’t destroy them? I certainly am!
@talldarkhansome1
@talldarkhansome1 Ай бұрын
Reverse colonialism via globalization will continue due to the benefits for both sides. Other countries will need to learn the lessons of currency devaluation until they can build up their own domestic knowledge base and switch to consumer based economies. As far as reindustrializing Europe or the USA, inflation, protectionism and subsidies will not be sustainable, however automation may very well work with AI driven technology. What the world will look like after substantial automation is perhaps too speculative at this time.
@Vegas7.62
@Vegas7.62 Ай бұрын
+1 comment
@sogerc1
@sogerc1 Ай бұрын
"Xi promised", that's like saying "Putin promised".
@jakubsteinder
@jakubsteinder Ай бұрын
Comment
@eelaeshi4057
@eelaeshi4057 Ай бұрын
It would have been nice if the narrator had bothered to learn to pronounce Chinese names before making this video.
@qf4543
@qf4543 Ай бұрын
Your Russian map is wrong, dope
@Cryosxify
@Cryosxify Ай бұрын
hello tariffs
@wolfgangrenner4152
@wolfgangrenner4152 Ай бұрын
Interrest Video !! But You must realize, that Europe does a distinct suizide programm on its own: For Wind turbines Magnets and Rare Earth are not necessary. Before China took over european Windtechnology supply, european produces used pure copper/iron generators like used from Car-Generators up to huge nuclear power stations. Windmills can also be equipped with such tradtional sychronmotor style generators. The main problem are not the rare earth than the production cost difference between Europe and China. Europe lost its domestic light bulb industry. But not because China has a monopoly of Gallium and LED, but because Green-dominated EU goverment forbid all domestic light technics like glowing bulbs and mercury bulbs. So the collaps of Europe is made from Green parties and not only from Industry-Fashistic Production Monster China. The Green forbid steel production in Europe. But steel made in China with coal is allwowed, because then the CO2 is not emitted from european soil. So looking behind the scene gives you an very ugly reallity of EU contemporay politics. It is interesting if the USA can get rid of chineses supremecy and if a more conservativ and industry friendly EU goverment can copy successful? US methods. So when considering the 500 Billion trade deficit per year of Europe against China, don't look to China, but look on the reasons, why EU Europe demolishes its own wealthiness by ugly govermental decition. Look on Germanys nuclear power prohibition. We have six newest powerstations which could deliver 10 GW electricity up to 2040. The costs are only need burning rods. But this powerstations are now under dismantleing because folks-elected Greens targeted to do so. They got majorities in pollings. Is China responsible for it ? Perhaps all is a big corruption scandal. Gerhard Schröder was paid from Putin to end nuclear power for Putins Gas Deal interests. And the Greens are surely paid from China to prohibit nuclear power from Xi Jinping, so that Germany is urged to buy chinese Wind- and Solar equippment. China produces 10.000 TWh electricity per year. Mainly with coal. Germany or France only 500 TWh per year. Producing solar paneels is very energy intensive. China is allowed to use tremendous amounts of nuclear and coal energy to produce all stuff, which are regarded CO2-free from EU Green parties. But producing solar equippment with domestic nuclear power is prohibed. France plans to build a huge solar production site in France. They will copy the US approach of protectionism with states funding to reastablish domesitic production in the Green energy field. So if you want to regard europas decline, you must consider what happens in Europe. And not only what China is doing.
@dsmogor
@dsmogor Ай бұрын
The real benefit from green investments is looked to be preservation of livable conditions on Earth so I can't be considered in purely economic terms. What we have is a chicken game of economies who still want to squeeze some growth of the frying planet.
@muskoxi9886
@muskoxi9886 Ай бұрын
Europe has to integrate further to become able to take stronger action and reduce dependency. Scrab the veto, empower the european parliament and increase the EU-budget to enable the EU to take strong measures without huge bureaucracy and having to have support from everyone.
@Truspio
@Truspio Ай бұрын
The plan was to give Western companies a boost by promoting new technology that other, less developed parts of the world won't be able to keep up. But it turned up that China managed to make use of know-how transfer and having cheap energy- not restricting (in fact increasing) fossil fuels use and using renewable sources only where it is cost-effective, completely dominated this industry. America first recognised the danger and under Trump started to withdraw from green policies, but Europe only now starts to see how bad the situation is. If Europe won't withdraw from these green deals and other pseudoecological policies, all European heavy industry, especially automotive will get destroyed, and the rest bought up by Chinese. I am afraid Europe sank so deep in its own pseudoecological propaganda it won't be able to save itself.
@grafity1749
@grafity1749 Ай бұрын
Its the right path. But we destroyed our domestic industrie trough popolism. (2011 Germany) Green Energy will dominate the future, but with far right politics we will stop in this field completly and china will dominate us in like 5 years because of their dirt cheap EVs and Solar Systems
@07Studio
@07Studio Ай бұрын
Green energy is essential because every developed society demands clean air in its cities. Burning fossil fuels has a hidden cost in polluted air and respiratory disease. Its like a factory dumping rubbish into the forest or sewage into a river. What Europe should do is build its own green energy factories and impose tariffs on Chinese goods. The price will be higher, but the money will stay in Europe. The problem is Germans dependence on Russia and China.
@Truspio
@Truspio Ай бұрын
@@07Studio This is demonstratively not true. If every developed society demanded it, then European Union wouldn't have to enforce it from member states and creating transnational law about it. The policy design was purely economic with the propaganda as part of it. Sadly this propaganda proved to effective when economic assumpion turned out wrong.
@stupidburp
@stupidburp Ай бұрын
Doing business with China is the worst possible policy for the environment. They manipulate the desires and policies of others to pollute more while at the same time pretending to be a leader in the green economy. China pollutes more than any other country and is not reducing it at all despite their empty promises. Divestment from China is the greenest option.
@climate-moneymakingcampaig305
@climate-moneymakingcampaig305 Ай бұрын
​@@07Studiothere wssnt any more irrelevant reason than "pollution" and "diseases" as theyve never cared about it and was never importsnt for them
@cLaw27
@cLaw27 20 күн бұрын
I think episodes this long should be split in shorter videos/chapters. The subject is complex, and pausing/resuming is making it difficult to watch...
@hfhehdhwhhahshhauwunsnammw6790
@hfhehdhwhhahshhauwunsnammw6790 Ай бұрын
comment
@GaysianAmerican
@GaysianAmerican Ай бұрын
Don't hate the player hate the game
@grafity1749
@grafity1749 Ай бұрын
Do you mean capitalism?
@BigChapDidNothingWrong
@BigChapDidNothingWrong Ай бұрын
Lol right? "Unfair practices", "unfair competition"? WTF does that even mean? This is a free market, plus what did they think would happen after moving their industrial bases to China? These people are living in the clouds.
@NoHairMan
@NoHairMan Ай бұрын
Support comment.
@RR-gp3qy
@RR-gp3qy Ай бұрын
rAcIsM 😂
@natbirchall1580
@natbirchall1580 Ай бұрын
US and EU are one
@markmuller7962
@markmuller7962 Ай бұрын
If you know the modern Chinese aristocracy including the king Xi you know their obsession with history and the long Chinese manufacturing end economic hegemony that they've been plotting to have back in their empire
@roxylius7550
@roxylius7550 Ай бұрын
Good that they are conquering the world through manufacturing unlike united states with 600+ military bases
@kiriseraph9674
@kiriseraph9674 Ай бұрын
I for one embrace our Pooh Bear Overlord.
@maghambor
@maghambor Ай бұрын
Great video and I really liked the part about Chinas history as to understand their point of view a bit better. However, I digress to agree with the notion that things like solar panels and wind turbines are comparable with opium. Unlike opium, even imported items like these would become energy producing and financial assets for up to two decades. China can neither block the sun or turn off the wind. Having said that, I do agree with the overall issue and the fact that China, a WTO member, is using unfair practices. To solve this, Europe will have to take decisive action to secure its raw materials supply. Strong trade agreements with and EU invest in countries like Australia and Chile could be a solution offering long-term non-Chinese supplies to the continent. EV car imports from China should be banned as soon as the raw materials have been secured. And this needs to happen ASAP.
@dsmogor
@dsmogor Ай бұрын
I wouldn't go as far as calling Chinese practices unfair. They were first to invest, the executed long term strategy, they are poised to reap the benefits. Unsustainable (for Europe) they are but unfair? Germany is planning how to pump $200B into its own renewable industry. US is doing the same. It's unfair to some startups who thought that energy business is like any other but that's nothing new.
@SpazzyMcGee1337
@SpazzyMcGee1337 Ай бұрын
America is being a bit silly here. There is no such thing as "over production" of solar panels. The world currently can't have too many solar panels. If governments don't want China to produce the most solar panels then they will need to offer their own subsidies.
@Ea-pb2tu
@Ea-pb2tu Ай бұрын
I agree. I’m a China hawk, but even I recognize that this is a win-win. China gets much needed export markets and the west gets cheaper and greener energy.
@stupidburp
@stupidburp Ай бұрын
Production of solar panels in China produces huge amounts of pollution both in their industrial processes and in their use of coal to produce electricity to power their industries. This creates more pollution as more renewable equipment is produced. Buy renewable equipment from other countries that are polluting less and are operating more responsibly.
@stupidburp
@stupidburp Ай бұрын
There is also the awkward point that much of the production in China is by forced labor by ethnic and religious groups that are being subjected to oppression and genocide. Solar panels in particular are largely produced in Xinjiang by Uighurs that are rotated through concentration camps “reeducation centers” while their families are r aped by C C party members placed in their homes to breed them out. Those that resist are imprisoned and have their organs stolen. This horror is enabled by the money made from exports.
@MMM-ep8lc
@MMM-ep8lc Ай бұрын
LOL 😂
@MMM-ep8lc
@MMM-ep8lc Ай бұрын
​@Ea-pb2tu xie xie lol
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