How Classic WoW Makes Any Other DPS Unplayable

The best class in vanilla wow is the warrior, but the effect of having a class do significantly more dps than any other is that not stacking them actually hurts the individual performance of each warrior.
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[@Sharkiuli]

THEY TOOK OUR GEAR!! TOK OR GER . TOKEDER

[@iluvceviche]

@@Sharkiuli no gear to take warriors forced to do rank 14 the guilds probably won’t even have thunder fury before tbc hits

[@Hyehowareyou]

The reason is because the classic version of the game isn't complete. Took till tbc for the devs to fix classes.

[@dhoff82]

The difference between streamers and their guild vs every other guild right here folks, nobody outside apparently streamer guilds are worried about taking 20 warriors lol

[@andrew2616]

Did you raid at Naxx level in Classic Era?!? This was literally the staple roster that was “mandatory” because of the speed clearing meta.

[@datemike1184]

Bro thinks everyone plays minmaxing lol bro doesnt know casual at all ​@@andrew2616

[@Cardcitysports]

It wont be as hardcore for most guilds the first month or so of raiding, but itll shift and this will be meta for the most part give or take a couple warriors for sure. It just is what it is because no one wants to be in mc for 5 hours lol and no one wants to wipe and be wasting time and having good warriors like myself who have been playing warrior since original vanilla and even mediocre warriors is better than a good player of a different dps due to how crazy warriors become with world buffs and consumes. Its just no contest and the gap is to huge and warriors just blow everything down and shred none stop no mana needed. This wasnt the case back in original vanilla , we had like 10 dps warriors max including tanks back in the day and that was normal, now that all the information is available to optimize for faster clears, warriors became king. Shit slow rough experience until lvl 60 ,then warriors become top dogs which blizzard did on purpose.

[@andrew2616]

@@Cardcitysports I don’t think they did It on purpose. This was the first MMO to make endgame content a staple in MMO’s. It was immediately fixed in BC but this was something that private servers inevitably learned from all the knowledge they acquire from playing the game over and over again.

[@sny1337]

With worldbuffs there are practically no dps checks in the game, even with a balanced roster. Therefore there is no point for the the vast majority of guilds to go 20+ warriors. On the contrary, this many warriors will make sure that it's impossible to gear. For example, in the entire P1-P2 you will on average only see 2-3 onslaught girdles drop (1/8 drop chance), and the first one will go to the MT.

[@X0xHuBeRx0X]

I dont think that we talk about necessity here. You can pretty much do whatever you want in classic and still be able to clear every raid, without top gear, buffs or raidcomps. But people naturally want to make it easier and faster to play so we´re back at the warrior problem.

[@ragnar1614]

It doesn’t matter because a warrior and pre-Biz blues will still out DPS almost every class and they made PVP ranking easier so even if you have bad RG you will still be able to get a lot of good gear that way

[@sny1337]

@@X0xHuBeRx0X Sure but most raid groups will play with world buffs, and without them warriors are not top tier with as wide of a margin anymore. Groups will still want many warriors, but the vast majority of guilds will run a more balanced roster since there is no need for 20 warriors. You can for example kill patchwork in 2:30 quite easily with a balanced roster while dps check is at 7 minutes. The statement made in the title is that other classes are unplayable, which is not true in practice unless you are in a top-tier guild.

[@iluvceviche]

@@ragnar1614 wrong

[@Talador12]

I never got onslaught girdle the first time around :(((

[@gnaark1181]

I was in agreement with you until the last sentence. People can play whatever they want, we all have a choice to adhere to the meta or not. We are making this stupid collectively. If you keep saying that to people they will believe it and reinforce this mind set. You are indeed part of the problem now. I raided all of classic wow as a Ret Paladin and my guild was one of the best of our PvP server.

[@guillermodosreis2910]

I will play as a arms warrior during All game, even if ppl tell me fury is mandatory, cuz I enjoy playing as an arms warrior PvE warrior, meta players can do wathever they like, but im not a meta player, and its my choise to play what i like, and thats like it should be

[@flight6608]

@@guillermodosreis2910 enjoy not raiding lmao

[@guillermodosreis2910]

@@flight6608 will raid with 2 handed weapons cuz my balls say so.

[@VincentADK]

Classic shooting the messenger. Extremely relatable. 😂

[@FoxActual244]

He called it before classic classic dropped and now people are mad it's the truth. Welcome back to SOD until TBC guys

[@bassprofishe1549]

Im rolling warrior till TBC then rollin Blelf Pally

[@GregoryPlain]

Enjoyed the math. Thank you for keeping it plain and simple and alex ❤

[@adamtadamt]

My hot take is that meme specs will be meta but not for the reason people think they will be. In the 2019 classic you would have many fights where half the healers basically do nothing except insane overhealing. I believe that because of dual spec there might end up being a non-insignificant group of players that will flex between dps and healer. Guilds might bring 6-8 "main" healers (some of them will be able to flex to DPS) and bring 3-5 meme specs that flex into healing in around half of the encounters. Also, bringing more than 1 hunter (they bring MM aura which DPS enjoy a lot) or 2 rogues while is not optimal it's not bad either because of the insane competition for gear because of how scarse it is, especially with warriors needing two weapons and half of them being suboptimal because of missing weapon skill.

[@kaloyanivanov8311]

A simple fix for that is the allow spell casters to scale better of Intellect. Well geared mage in vanilla has around 400-500 intellect (buff free). This translates to around 7-8% added spell crit, and around 6-7k extra mana. From this gear they also get around 250-300 extra spell power(again not buffed). If every 10 points of intellect would give 1 extra spell power, this would equal to around 40-50 added extra spell power, which on a fire mage could potentially result in roughly 4%-5% extra damage off their fireball. I just did this in 5 minutes, using an AI to provide me the averages, but if a core team sits and does a thorough calculation on it, it wouldn't take more than a week to clear it out. Then to anyone afraid of PVP imbalances, just make resistances work properly and you have a balance in place that satisfies both PVE and PVP.

[@notafortnitegamer]

Locks also need some hit in there talent tree

[@iluvceviche]

@@notafortnitegamer locks have 10% hit with affliction spells in tier 1 affliction

[@iluvceviche]

@Sanmedina, (1) the initial roster you show is based on alliance which gives EZ mode raiding due to salvation (-30% threat) and horde does not get their threat reducing totem because it is party wide/air totem (horde gets windfury) and therefore horde has to deal with threat caps which makes your entire analysis invalid (2) Not sure where you get your damage ratios from, please post reference (3) you are not considering raid stacking with respect to other classes which was limited due to raid debuffs being 16 at most (4) With raid debuff slots gone, you can have the following case: Nightfall Axe (15% spell dmg) + Shadow Weaving (15% shadow weaving) + Curse of Shadows (10% to arcane/shadow)

[@iluvceviche]

(5) This does not even consider the fact that other classes now have access to their full damage rotation with raid debuff slots gone, where as before warlocks for example only used shadow bolt, but now just the fact that you can use Corruption + Shadowbolt, (6) you also need to consider that warriors also take a ton of healing which means you are sacrificing a ranged spot which requires way less healing and therefore you actually lose damage because you have to consider that the warriors need at least 1 healer per 4 warriors so your calculation needs to include the need for adding extra healers just to run a melee comp

[@iluvceviche]

(7) you stated that warlocks cannot crit on DoTs which is correct but warlocks can proc + 20% shadow damage with Shadow Bolt crits (tier 1 destro talent) so that is with reference to number 4 point: Nightfall Axe (15% spell dmg) + Shadow Weaving (15% shadow weaving) + Curse of Shadows (10% to arcane/shadow) + 20% (shadow dmg from IMP shadow bolt)

[@bushbill5761]

Your title is a little strong brother. I would have said less optimal, but who really is concerned other then streamers and sweats. The normal 90% of players will have a good time, clear most content having fun. The wanna be sweats will wave the white flag to this idea as well. Most players wont touch classic Naxx fully anyway. Then its TBC time. I enjoy your videos and you have helped me get better.

[@chrisarena4047]

I mean, this is a top 5% problem. Your clear time goes from 30 minutes to 60 minutes with a "sub-optimal" comp. You still clear the bosses and get the loot. If your whole purpose is to parse, then by all means bring 90% warriors. Dont suggest that everyone has to play them in order to raid, thats what makes retail what it is. Fotm or fuck off and dp world quests cause you wont get in a group. Promote playing what you'd enjoy and what can make your $15 a month stretch and put a caviot in for the sweat beards that can't survive unless that run 20 minute mc runs. Better content would be inverting your comp to make theorize caster comps and balanced comps for optimization cause this garbage just thins the community until we have classic era where 3 people log in a week....shame.

[@goflux]

Why is everyone taking this as a personal attack? Every game has optimal strategies that allow you to beat them easier and faster. You aren't legally required to play them that way, and people telling you that such strategies exist doesn't stop you from playing how you want. Warrior stacking is just the best way to clear raids quickly. You can still run your guild however you want. The raids are clearable with non-optimal comps. An optimal comp just makes it faster, easier, and smoother. This is the equivalent of going up to speedrunners of other games, smugly telling them that actually you don't need any of those tricks to beat the game, and getting mad about how they aren't playing the game in a way that you personally consider fun. They know that the game can be beaten without optimizing, but they think optimizing is fun. If you don't, then just don't do it. Don't get mad at the people who do. When they call other classes "Unplayable", the implication is that they're talking about tryhard raiding and speedrunning. If you want to play them in your own guild, you can.

[@sny1337]

The implication of the title is that everything else is unplayable. But running 20+ warrior is only something very few guilds was doing in classic, and will be doing for the fresh servers. So if you want to play something else you will most likely be able to find a guild (even good/decent ones). Unless you play one of the "meme" specs, then you will have a harder time

[@goflux]

@@sny1337 As I said, the "unplayable" is meant to apply to tryhards, not normal players.

[@forsetylord]

I think you are not taking in consideration, specially in early stages of phase 1 is how well equiped a player is. Having more variety of clases makes them easier to gear, that means more general dps for the raid. Using your warrior index. Maybe a bad geared warrior is 0.8 warrios and a good geared mage is 1.2 warriors. You compensate the optimization of your raid by having a better geared raid. Good luck gearing up 20 warriors in 1 year. Good video.

[@antonkokic]

People will be unable to even find 40 players to raid

[@ebossnz6838]

For oce it's gonna be hard. With with the debuff limit. Might not need 40

[@agentfisher2978]

Say that to the 10 layers of players on Anniversary atm lol its insane

[@chestandtris]

100k players per day minimum all on one server, how will we find 30 warriors?!?!? 😂😂😂

[@joeyholubeck7066]

Not really my guild has 80 people in all lvl 40 plus we are gonna be ready

[@Deszigames]

It's actually bonkers how many people are playing. People are coming back that haven't played in years

[@Forsaken66666]

People who actually play sod do not make comps of all warriors. I have never seen it even once playing from sod launch. If I was playing a warrior and joined a raid and I saw I was competing for gear with 20 other warriors, I would quit the raid immediately.

[@Sc4r4byte]

with dual specs and debuff limit lifted... what about shadowpriests replacing disc priests? (other healers too - especially horde resto-ele or resto-enhance swaps) shadow will do more warrior index damage than a smite priest, but importantly, shadow heal their party while doing damage - so in some rarer situations, shadowpriests can potentially match actual healers. (say, patchwerk, loatheb, or especially sapphiron)

[@Neltherya]

Boomkin aura is only party wide so it's even worse than what your math suggests

[@Forsaken66666]

People who actually play sod do not make comps of all warriors. I have never seen it even once playing from sod launch.

[@MrJonHimself]

Raiding is 5% of classic. Warrior stacking is a 100% carebear mindset. Warriors suck at farming, 1v1, any pvp without a dedicated healer, leveling, etc. Not to mention vanilla raids are so easy you could do them with any comp.

[@CurtisRay23]

Never used warrior as a unit of measurement before.

[@sanmedina]

This table is 2 warriors long

[@Davidhenry1210]

Any guild that is serious will also require the rank 14 grind for it's warriors

[@Zaurox8]

Playing what you enjoy is all that matters. Most players are using Vanilla this time around as a waiting room, just leveling non-meta classes for TBC. Don’t take Vanilla meta serious just because they do 3% more damage. Enjoy the journey.

[@josefniederer5039]

The warrior stack is only going to beat you in a speed run. The irony of the speed run though is that its feat demonstrates how fast they can clear a raid. What they don't tell you though is how much time you spend getting world buffs and pvp ranking just to get gear. The only way to make it feasible to play as a war and get consistent gear is to pvp rank to 14 which adds weeks of game play. I have built a raid comp horde side where it's basically 4 of each class (8 wars where 4 are tanks and the other 4 are dps, 8 shamans where 4 are resto). You might do a faster raid, but my comp spends less time playing the game because there is more loot to go around and far less of it being wasted because there is enough of each class to pick up loot. Plus, by the time you get to naxx you inevitably run into loot problems because you can't pvp your way into Kel'Thuzad gear, there is a waiting line. Why do you think the first Naxxramas clear was done by a guild that had a much more diverse class set? Because they were keenly aware of the loot bottlenecks that would hold them up considering rank 14 back then was completely nuts to do.

[@marioeguerrap]

I agree with most of this, but you do hit some brick walls: Ragnaros, unlucky Nefarian class call, Twin Emps, C'thun's chain beam, Kelthuzad. Some other fights come to mind.

[@AegonThePomsky]

Leveling a warrior in classic anniversary to 60 is cancer. Hard pass, not to mention all the competition of having an idiotic group comp of 20 warriors...

[@briannielsen2226]

I'd love to join this comp - as a caster. I'd be geared in no time.

[@NG.4769]

Okay so if raids require warrior stacking nowadays with full buffs/WBs and a speedrun mindset, how were people able to clear Naxx in 2006 with a balanced raid comp, very little knowledge of how game mechanics worked, 4:3 aspect ratio, very few add-ons, keyboard turning, clicking abilities, backpedaling, 200+ ping, and less than 15 fps? kzbin.info/www/bejne/iZavZaSPnM6AhM0si=CiRij_vN5FNEBcKY

[@goflux]

Nobody is saying that this is required to ever beat the raid, this is just what most people are going to prefer because it makes everything as easy as possible. Warrior spam is optimal for ease of play and speed, but that doesn't mean it's impossible to raid without 20+ warriors. You can obviously clear the raids with non-optimal comps, it will just take longer and be more difficult. It's just that you will be at a disadvantage compared to people who do stack warriors. Most games can be played/beaten without using perfectly optimal strategies, but that doesn't mean that those optimal strategies stop being the best option if you want to beat them as quickly and easily as possible. Nobody is saying you have to run warrior spam in your guild to finish the raids ever. They're just telling you the best way to set up your raid if your goal is to clear quickly and efficiently.

[@Bladekaizer]

Well back then a naxx raid took a average of 14 hours or so for average guilds and they didnt clear only the elite guilds cleared naxx in 06 and that’s fast clear sometimes you had 5 days of raiding in a week lol

[@abroad9386]

its funny you say that because poaching warriors from other guilds was a requirement for many guilds to kill horseman

[@NG.4769]

@@abroad9386only for tanking, not for dps. But your statement proves my point even further. Guilds had to poach warriors to tank because they didn't even have 8 total in the whole raid group.

[@NG.4769]

@@Bladekaizeryes, but you have to account for all the other factors. It wasn't because of raid comp, it was because even the best players would be considered dog shit in today's metrics

[@Halloween1988]

Why then you go play classic fresh again? And quit sod? Sod is the best classic we have at this stage.

[@user-tr3wg7qd6h]

Lol

[@mlaurence08]

Thanks for breaking down the math on it.

[@andrew2616]

It’s shocking that you had negative comments. Most of those players probably never raided at Naxx level in “current” classic era. The raid meta you spoke about is LITERALLY mandatory. However, in 2019-2020, is It definitely true majority of the player base did not care about WB or meta. Most guilds just went in and cleared

[@Davidhenry1210]

Bruh I started in 2019. World buffs were required and naxx broke up so many guilds. Shit was a Purge.

[@andrew2616]

@ dam sorry to hear that, I know the team I was on were retired mythic raider during legion time. We simply logged on and cleared. We had a total of 4 warriors tank/dps included

[@iluvceviche]

wrong

[@andrew2616]

@iluvceviche Literally just spoke to everyone you never played Classic Era or Classic in 2019/2020. Stupidity at its prime.

[@8998-i8c]

What does a Shamy do to the math?

[@guido4096]

The Math is COMPLETELY WRONG. But the argument is correct.

[@Tetter.]

Thanks, I'll stick with HC leveling for fun

[@jeroboam4486]

That's such a silly argument: wow classic isn't such a hard game that you need these kind of optimizations. If the so called best players aren't skilled enough to overcome the raid with a few warriors less, they probably weren't that good in the first place.

[@laurenceoliva4988]

As one of those .95 Rogues of a Warrior I guarantee I would beat this guy 95% of the time.

[@Davidhenry1210]

This guy maybe. Question is will it be the guys in your guild.

[@jarlfisk]

I’m playing enhan shaman 😊 I’m fine ! Screw those min/max guilds! And yes I do not use world buffs and only fire proc potions !

[@gonzalezruben8503]

Buffs in classic are only to a party not raid.

[@gonzalezruben8503]

Someone has to do traps in suppression room so you need 2 rogues for that.

[@andrew2616]

Only need one if the group moves fast enough

[@mandalory4n197]

This is so Dumb this is normal classic not mitic hardmode world first retail

[@Guccibear100]

This is speed running meta right? If you're not speed running, a comp this optimized is super unnecessary.

[@josephteller9715]

No one except the streamers and the extreme competitor groups takes 20 warriors in a raid. No one. Not once was I or anyone I know was in a raid with 20 warriors. Extra Healers? Sure Extra Mages? Certainly. But 20 Warriors. No. 20 Warriors i sust plain abuse of the mechanics rather than having any skill. 4 Squads with a Tanking Warrior, a Healer, and 3 DPS in each squad was a lot more of the Normal build for groups. You might have an off healer or an off tank in the DPS set but really 20 Warriors? One good area effect boss and you're all read as the healers can't repair and debuff you fast enough.

[@LinKongDa]

But since none of the warriors except the favourite child is getting gear. All the other Warriors will be in BLUE at best T0.5. you are telling me these warriors in BLUE can beat any other class who are also in blues? and later beat all the other classes in T1?

[@valitsemllaluokanavahyvaks3556]

Warrior with preBis deals more dmg than any other class with their Tier1, well Rogue probably might do more dmg.

[@gonzalezruben8503]

World buffs add more dps to warriors than most gear except good weapons.

[@Chris_dolmeth]

Mages are no good?

[@sanmedina]

You can take up to 4 in a raid comp without losing almost any damage. Given how dire balance is i'd say thats pretty good

[@rl2338]

I dont see how you claim warrior to be a value of 1 and then later also give warriors a value of 1.75. Either the warrior is doing max DPS and popping their CDs or they are not. You can't increase the effectiveness of a warrior when you are also using it as the base value. You can't claim 1 horse power is also 1.75 horsepower when the horse only has to go 15 feet. The Horse is always giving 100% power. The warrior is always doing 100% of their DPS regardless of the fight length, Yeah short fights mean burst classes have great DPS on the meters, but they will ALWAYS do that same amount of damage the first 15 seconds of every fight, unless the boss has protection vs their damage type. What gives a warrior a value of 1 and a warlock a value of 0.6 is partly from that 75% damage increase at the start of every fight.

[@Dgreatest32]

Eu math

[@Davidhenry1210]

Well it's like parses. They are made of damage, damage over time, and time to kill. The more wars the better. Even if his math doesn't really make sense just think "The more wars the better".

[@seby6368]

No, you dont need 20 warriors.

[@n.obodyyyyyyyyyy]

ok streamer

[@enricogiuntelli9213]

The added damage from the warrior buffs should already be considered into the baseline warrior damage tho. Your calculation doesn't make much sense tbh

[@nailbomb4443]

They should have just put more development into SoD.

[@skykam9448]

Sod is terrible

[@nailbomb4443]

@skykam9448 why, because all classes are viable?

[@skykam9448]

@ because they made a shitty half breed between retail and wow where every raid is insanely easy

[@Gyallarhorn1]

Okay. Now let's go with speed. You can do MC once a week. How often do you need to clear MC to equip all your warriors? How often do you need to clear MC to equip a balanced raid? Your raid might clear MC faster in one evening... but will need to do it five times more often. So you're basically five times slower than any other raid. Basically what you're doing is playing the game in a way where you have to play it less per week while still paying the same amount of money for your subscription. Congratiulations. You played yourself. And that is not even all. Warriors are a class that is very gear dependant. So your 0.6 Warrior of a Warlock only applies with already maxed out gear and optimal rotation. It also doesn't take into account downtime that melees often times have because the need to run back and forth. So your "math" only really applies that way, when you have maxed out gear already and no reason to still do the raid and the bosses that favor melees. Now since you need the very best warriors to even get those numbers... how many of those warriors will go "Yeah... I'll go with a 25 warrior raid. I will never get gear, but I guess no other raid would take me..."

[@vegardkjrberg1929]

Fury warrs in full pre bis blues outdmg mages and locks in full mc gear fyi.

[@iluvceviche]

@@vegardkjrberg1929 wrong

[@FAMILYFRIENDLYBRAZILIAN]

No offence, but he is 100% right. A fully world buffed prebis war would beat a full bis lock ​@@iluvceviche

[@iluvceviche]

@@FAMILYFRIENDLYBRAZILIAN this is not true at lvl 60 when the warlock can DoT and is playing either SM/Ruin or SM/DS with a Shadow Priest and Nightfall Axe Procs + Curse of Shadows

[@iluvceviche]

@@FAMILYFRIENDLYBRAZILIAN The reason behind this is because warlocks did not have hit cap until ZG patch with the hit gear and you had a debuff limit, these are gone nearly phase 1 on the anniversary realms

[@Inari_K]

The absolute majority of people dont play like this ffs. MOST people arent speed running. Most casual guilds arent even taking full Wbuffs, Consumes, Etc. People can clear everything up to naxx with memes specs. These kind of videos are really just gatekeeping and feeding into a gamestyle that most people dont wana do, or cant even do because of time constraints in life. It's very informative, but this kind of stuff should just be a seminar for speedrunners, not a video essay on how other classes are 'unplayable'

[@albanijajesrbijakosovojesr1242]

No life dements u make money from dements and blizz does

[@smoothierip5693]

Good reasons as to why classic raiding is overrated

[@FAMILYFRIENDLYBRAZILIAN]

This is such an idiotic take it's crazy. The comp he's showing is used for speedrunning, no other average guild will run this. Vanilla classes also have less utility and a 40 man roster which means it has a lot more space for DPS classes. In TBC u have 25 man raids with more utility classes, hence why you have fewer spots for pure DPS. People are stacking top dmg classes in every version of the game, it's just very obvious in vanilla because of its raid size

[@scottstorck4676]

if someone at blizzard had a brain. They would have set up anniversary classic to use the talents and abilities like they are at the TBC pre-patch. It shouldn’t even be that much work However as usual thinking is hard.

[@Davidhenry1210]

It wouldn't be classic then

[@Dgreatest32]

That is a terrible idea

[@scottstorck4676]

@ Actually most people liked raiding in the pre-patch. I did a poll last time, and 85% of people who answered the poll liked the new talents. The revised classes and talents are why people like TBC. Of coarse you can have your own opinion, but that doesn’t really mean the idea is bad.

[@FAMILYFRIENDLYBRAZILIAN]

​@@scottstorck4676congrats bro u really managed to get proper stats out of those 10 ppl who voted on your poll

[@exhamahile]

100% agree TBC is waay better :D

[@ItztoobadthatI]

They shpuld tweak some values with other classes in this version just up until the end to make classes more viable or to make it to where not everyone is g9nna run warriors. Im a warrior by the way 🤣🤣

[@FoxActual244]

That wouldn't be classic though lewl

[@ItztoobadthatI]

@FoxActual244 it would be better classic youre right. Classic isnt vanilla anyways the only similarities is the leveling process outside of that its not vanilla. If they just stopped worrying about the 5 percent purists and buffed other classes youre saying that'd be bad?

[@Davidhenry1210]

​@@ItztoobadthatInope fam this is a unchanged classic server. We got retail,cata,sod for all the balance.

[@ItztoobadthatI]

@Davidhenry1210 im Not talking about balance I'm talking about just making other dps a Lil better. Classic will never be balanced . Fuck WoW will never be balanced 🤣🤣

[@Davidhenry1210]

@@ItztoobadthatI Not happening my guy. You know it. I know it. Everyone knows it.

[@m.d.1188]

And now the Hype faids :D Welcome back to SOD :D

[@agentfisher2978]

Thing with Sod is it has no future its forever just sod era, Anniversary servers are progressive

[@prrplex5594]

SOD had so much potential but it ended up being a turd sandwich. I tried to like it but I'm not going to force myself to play something I don't like.

[@veddyveng]

I wish sod was kept and was like a wow classic plus with added extras ​@agentfisher2978

[@FoxActual244]

You just hop off SOD when TBC comes out lol

[@FoxActual244]

​@@agentfisher2978classic didn't have a future either, replaying classic classic , reliving 2019 with just more mid maxing bs

[@sarphog]

No you won't be class stacking that bad in semi hc guilds in classic. Good luck gearing 20 warriors when you get 2 items per boss. You think disenchanting caster gear is smart cause you wanna minmax down the line in naxx? lolno. You think semi hc guilds will force non warrs to re roll when naxx is out? lolno, the guild will break. If you stack warriors, you will have a lot of warrs in pre bis when AQ is out. Not happening

[@gnaark1181]

Well it is what happened already. You had wars with blue prebis in AQ and they were still doing good damage.

[@veddyveng]

Yeh when i done aq my gear was dog shit​@gnaark1181

[@iluvceviche]

@@gnaark1181 This is the wrong analysis, what we are talking about is the anniversary servers with debuff raid slots gone

[@gnaark1181]

@ yeah I know and people will stack warriors in blue gear in AQ even with the debuff limit gone

[@veddyveng]

@sarphog completely agree, people raided for progression and gear and eventually people not getting gear will stop or reroll

[@scubasam4255]

why are you making classic videos if you hate this version of the game so much?

[@kokorochin01]

Imagine clearing MC in 1 hour instead of 40 minutes ; the horror... People need to stop with this min-maxing crap /vomit

[@undisclosed9531]

your approach to wow is toxic, it is a completely solved easy game. Stop trying to gatekeep and poison the community with your toxicity, try to stay relevant with something else.

[@GuillermoOroza]

Yeah!!! lets take 25 warriors so we'll kill the bosses faster!! eventhough it will take 2 hours to fill the raid, so fun!🙄🙄 Seriously, whats the point in making a game that's already easy, into ridiculously easy? We've been playing the same game for 20 years, no one cares if your raid cleared MC 30 seconds faster.

[@Davidhenry1210]

It's just human nature. The easier the better. You said it yourself. Playing the game for 20 years. It's a solved game.

[@tnshanobighost6749]

Because they are dumb

[@MikeyJ232]

My Hunter in SoD did 4.5K on a Majordomo log 😂