How Cookies Gelato Sherb Runtz and Zkittlez Killed Modern Cannabis Breeding & Solutions S08E08

[@dennisrichards2604]

IMO, Haze was another original strain that kicked total ass in the early 90's but everyone tried to re-capture its qualities in a more managable plant that could be grown easier indoors. But in trying to create a more managable plant, the special qualities that made up the Haze experience was actually mistakingly bred out of the plant. Most people in 1994 did not want to grow a 6-7+ ft tall lanky, 10-15 week flowering low yielding plant. Back then it was all about that 8-8.5 wk indica dominant plant. Here in Canada I gave up buying Haze flower as its so vastly diff to what I know Haze once was. Other countries and Continents are gonna have our flower lunch if they can get back the equatorial Sativa genotypes that peeled the top of your head off.

[@hi...itsthe329guy9]

I'm currently growing Original haze and I can relate to what you said. LOL

[@coolbeans1r]

Haze is awesome but is def a commitment when growing due to that ultra long flowering time as you mentioned, and unfortunately that doesnt translate into pricier nug :/

[@camthecannaman]

@@coolbeans1r I agree and why only true dedicated heads will continue to work with hazes. I love hazes myself still trying to find something similar to what I smoked back in early 2000's which has been a journey to say the least. But i will continue to grow out and hunt through them for the love of the plant itself!

[@ronaldschilling4753]

I love the original Haze cultivars from the 90's but it is truly hard to find a truly good keeper since everything has Jack terps and most are junk after popping hundreds of beans

[@ronaldschilling4753]

I'm waiting on the Haze for Days by Mr. Toad from Boneyard seeds... I have friends that grew a few packs outdoors over the past few seasons and love everything these plants...

[@Vabeeotchay]

thank you guys for this info, you have no idea what its like for newer growers who are trying to piece together a timeline and gain an understanding of the whole story. can't wait to binge the rest of ya'lls videos!

[@BreedersSyndicate]

Haha I actually DO know what it’s like. Started me on this journey to unravel all of it. I felt like I couldn’t understand genetics and just assume all of it is accurate if I didn’t know who was deciding what was accurate and what wasn’t. And that’s when the shit show began

[@Vabeeotchay]

its wild man, I've literally watched like 3 episodes only and so far I've learned the origin story of so many different crosses and cuts and all this different shit. "it must have been his looks" LMFAO!!!!!@@BreedersSyndicate

[@benayers8622]

Thers a ton of disinformation out there now sadly the youth are now learning online instead of socialising with olders@@Vabeeotchay

[@mattsimmonds6454]

Notso expert

[@nate6748]

it's been really enjoyable for me to not only learn something new every show, but to grow CSI + 707 hybrids of the plants you talk about along they way! thank you

[@earthwormjim420]

I really like the terp profiles on all the new strains like runtz and stuff... my only complaint is its harder to find variety when every strain the dispo has all tastes sweet and gassy

[@jardimhg]

Hey man! Amazing content. I am Brazilian and new to your channel (also a content producer). What amount of great information. When living outside of USA it is not easy to find this kind of knowledge. Thanks for the great conversation. Greetings ✌️

[@jcolterh]

I live just outside the bay area and i was a medical cannabis patient when GSC, Cherry Pie, Fortune Cookies came out. The quality went down everytime I tried it. At first it was amazing and a year later it was all the same no different from any other starins out.

[@elephantoflight3362]

Great example of a person, that should grow their own…

[@markasmaclean420]

@@jcolterh I’ve realized that most cookies now just is some cross and random cut of whatever with cookie in it. You’ll occasional get something like a thinmint or platinum OG cookies that’ll still hit just it used to. But it is hard to find growers who care what they have and want anything other than “ hype” strains and tons do smoke. Most didn’t wanna grow cookies back then because of how low the cookies yielded

[@ryanriloartigue7846]

I've been saying that all the new stuff taste brown. As in too many flavor profiles crammed together. This explains why everything tastes the same.

[@catsploitation]

They can’t breed they just grow hacks. They can’t grow either. I’ve been saying this for many many years as i watch it all go to crap

[@darnelldaughtrey3646]

@ryanriloartigue7846 facts and it's crazy, I just said that, everything smells and taste the same

[@Srtcuz]

Good video to listen to while working in the garden

[@johnnycannaseed429]

Appreciate The Breeders Syndicate, excellent knowledge being dropped.

[@camthecannaman]

Johnny!! Hope you're doing well today dude!🙌🙏✌💚💥💫💨💨💨

[@jeromedamian5740]

The industry was pushed to more to Nacotic type strains and effects. Personally, I don't like these effects as a canibis for consumption , I prefer A energetic sativa. I remember hearing Kevin talk about how over the years when oxycotton was popular it had changed the profile of consumption of cannabis. Today, it's all about being incredibly high versus being functional and active from my experience in the industry. So you grow what people prefer today.

[@Saberflextrics]

@@jeromedamian5740 - funny, I’ve been asking my peeps about the absence of the sleepy modern high. I mostly taste sprayed candy and feel a caffeinated boost. Perhaps I’m just sensitive to modern growing methods, but the “weed nap” era feels like it is long gone. Just my 2cents.

[@jbbrolic]

Yeah I always liked smoking and doing stuff, not a fan of the "couch lock..." I don't even smoke anymore because it's hard to find bud with the effects I like (even supposed "sativa" ) in the last 5+ years.

[@Jordan__Sloan]

I thought it was me, but I’m starting to wonder, 25 year smoker who can barely smokes now because the high makes my heart rate skyrocket and the high is not psychedelic anymore. 18 years ago when we would smoke some real good nor-cal weed the high was indescribably amazing, now everything I get comes from southern Colorado and has this weird high, I don’t know, maybe I’m just getting old

[@GPTseeds]

Nice conversation guys . Just found your channel . Notsodog I was listening and smiled..been working a Forum cut IBL MALE x berger cut PRE 98 clone X AFGHAN landrace F2 IBL for a while now.

[@glyndonsprofessionaldetail7429]

when it comes to cookies only breading for bag appeal and % i believe mainly is because the dispos that sell the product does not let you smell the flower at least that's how it is here in MD

[@BreedersSyndicate]

Yep!

[@siredasheesh2849]

First time attendee here! I can tell you first hand as one farmers who got gelato from jigga and sherbinski who flew in to directly put it in our hands that the mass of gelato available to the public is weak compared to original regular sexed beans! I’m sure it’s due to plenty inbreeding! Most ppl don’t understand consecutively inbreeding just weakens the plants, the orginal lato had more variety of phenos! They handed us over 1k beans, & this was 2-3yrs before young dolph even rapped about it! Many pheno from original beans! Og kush was dominant in lots of them! Which was not surprising when sherbinski drop gello which is supposedly flo with gelato 45! Just surprised how long it took him to release it, which in all honesty between us in the comment section I truly believe gello is just an F1 or drum rolls……an original gelato pheno! In the original lato pheno hunts we did, which was over hundreds first round! A third of them did have much purple like u see today! I have stayed in the background for many yrs but I’ll shed light like the OGs here in the podcast! Gelato & runtz today is ruining the community bcuz of commercial and bcuz lot of my generation and new generation is just going off the hype! Truly is hard to educate the new generation bcuz we can’t say shit without u already thinking u know everything! I’m shocked by wat most of the generation thinks is actually quality or wat they call zaza! I’ve literally seen lots of new generation pick commercial deps and over quality indoors bcuz it didn’t smell like zaza which in most cases is just gelato/runtz/sherb but for those who truly want to learn these OGs spitting facts! 🙌

[@markasmaclean420]

New school grown here. I personally keep it all living soil and want the old school stuff back. I’m running. NL5 for my next run and an NL5 skunk X afghani But aside from all that. I have to agree that my generation just doesn’t seem te be able tot eke in knowledge. I had someone swearing up and down a few weeks ago that thinmint and forum cut were the same. I’ve had multiple people tell me wild things that I know not to be the case -from OGs -from my days in the forums -or from the current available science. They just don’t care if I try to show em the real facts or explain something to someone. Like you said everyone already knows everything lol

[@dubtroy331]

riot listen no matter what people say this imformation is very important so think u and notso and dude for what yall doing i work alot i try to be a part of this plant i love this plant i do grow and i do my part in buying gentic

[@BreedersSyndicate]

💜💜💜🙏✌️

[@benayers8622]

What he said i been hoping someone would bring attention to this@@BreedersSyndicate

[@bernardardis8796]

Mad Respect guys! I appreciate your authenticity to the culture as an old schooler myself I have some genetics to play with in Michigan coming soon. I'm with you on the low flying quiet guy with the stuff you've been looking to find for years type of acquaintances and varieties. Starting with the originals is where you get that thing you are talking about for that new strain with effects and the profiles. Say a blue widow for instance.

[@NICK-m9b2o]

Crosses a cookie kush with a purple skunk and had some great crosses back in 2014, all these years later im now growing out some s1 from back then and wow got some great phenos 😊

[@coyner585]

Cookies is a perfect representation of modern-day culture.... all looks 😂

[@boofhunter]

All looks with intersex traits 🤔

[@benjibowser5181]

That is perfectly true

[@dennisrichards2604]

yup, seemingly the "Instagram model" has further eroded what makes cannabis special... the effect. My backyard Chem seedplants are still more desirable than 80-90% of what Ive ever purchased on the Canadian market. My $200 seedpack and a prayer out perform folk with million dollar grow setups. Sad.

[@Views4rmdamud]

@@dennisrichards2604🧢

[@Views4rmdamud]

@@boofhunterI would love to test this theory!! I already know the outcome but for shits and giggles! I’m growing multiple cookie strain crosses and cookie strains now! So let’s see how many trannys I get lmao based on what you think should be all of them right? lol anyone who agrees all cookies is trash you haven’t smoked enough 4real or you just plain hating on them!! 😂😂😂

[@asherasher1111]

I think F1 Durb is Silver Pearl x Jack Herer, both obtained from Sensi Seeds, bred it back in ‘08. The Silver Pearl had traits resembling strawberry shortcake. 👏😋

[@technocracynow9339]

I live in Europe, smoked a lot of Balkan Weed i think if your are right then their is probably more an Early Pearl in it. I really don't like that ""Cherry""/Burned Plastic/CBD Taste but atleast their is some Kush. Fuck i think i have understand all flavors/strains now, totally fucked up what happend after 2000

[@s0m3cunt91]

Maybe silver pearl and jack herer made the F1, but why claim to be half durban poison if it wasn't? Is silver pearl available in seed anywhere? I tried a strain called 'lost pearl' from greenhouse seeds, and it wasn't even close to the old silver pearl I used to get when I was a teen.

[@amsterdamoriginalsaustralia]

I only grow the Old School landraces and rarely will toss in a few White Widow or Gorilla Glue

[@frankcastle9991]

Both great big fan of them.

[@frankcastle9991]

Greetings from 🇺🇸

[@amsterdamoriginalsaustralia]

@@frankcastle9991 I'm a big fan too & I'd ❤️ to say gday

[@amsterdamoriginalsaustralia]

Sorry just woke up 🤭 accidentally didn't check the video responding to . Plz forgive me...

[@stravis3269]

I respect all plants including trees. Thank you for sharing. All variety is so nice like we stress. Lost cuts and nostalgic memories even if it's mex seeded weed that blew u away for miles and was trying to come back to earth . Respect all

[@Toneloke-3000]

Cookies = modern-day McDonald's

[@michaelcarey9359]

I always thought Cookies was the Krispy Kreme of cannabis. At least McDonald's was kinda "original", and not just ALL HYPE like Cookies

[@EZgrowsit420]

I opened pollinated bag seed last year. Got 57 going. 9 of them are fresh bag seed. Thirty five days in veg So far so good

[@MoeFarms]

@@EZgrowsit420 how’d it go?

[@benayers8622]

i been hoping someone would bring attention to the lost art of breeding.. I miss the old elite velvet strains with super lightweight wood thin soft stems such a better smoke ❤️ greenhouse seeds lemon skunk is oldskool and like that i highly recommend it along with their GH cheese for a perfect daytime and nightime pairing

[@JasonDoubleYou]

My all time fav was Tom Ford Pink kush that was around back in 2015. One of the finest face melters I've ever had the pleasure of experiencing

[@ctaylor8003]

Can still find that. Muerte and Bruce Banner are more rare now

[@cvgodd1432]

I used to get this candy kush around 2007 and OMG! It was like smoking pieces of candy, the high was that giggly everything is hilarious high. Man I miss the old kush strains Bubba, Banana, Skywalker, and so many others that I used to get. My weed man got killed out here in Boston, after he died I never saw quality bud again. He was way ahead of his time, basically had a dispensary in his house! One time I left with 12 different 8ths of all different types of gas! Tangerine kush tasted like straight tangerines! Not orange! Tangerine!!! More of a sweet taste!

[@motombocolombo]

1:04:34 I'm gonna test that out!🤓 Just harvested a small seeded Amnesia (Core Cut) plant, that i had flowering on my balcony together with a regular Willie Nelson male. The male was the only plant i got from a batch of 5 old F2 seeds of Reeferman's Willie Nelson (F1), a growmie of mine made and gifted to me. I thought, at least i could make use of the WN genes in that way. On the other hand, i really do love the Amnesia! So i wouldn't even be that sad if the WN goes under in the cross and the Core Cut would come through alone and was totally dominating the offspring's expessions in the soon to be sprouted generation....buuut i surely could use some exotic killer keeper plants that are totally different from the Amnesia as well 🥰

[@DG-om9ts]

So in the clip that'd played did Berner say they only popped 15 seeds on that run and number 20 was popping? AM I missing something there

[@BreedersSyndicate]

That’s what he said

[@NikoNoxious]

I did not understand either

[@sandpaper4483]

I had theory they wouldn't legalize marijuana untill they bred out the part of cannabis that made you question things. Not believe in oligarchies, corporations, or the military. I feel cookies was that. It's why weed doesn't work the same as it use to

[@HipHopBeatSource]

Interesting take.

[@betbet5606]

@@sandpaper4483 that's literally impossible

[@francislutz8027]

Don't drop out of school kids

[@Jordan__Sloan]

Yep, they took the trip out of it

[@dannyzuccho4414]

Awesome video guys.....so sums up my sentiments on modern breeding....can remember when NLx5 haze came around late 90s ....very distinct .tbh I've always hated it ...taste and effect but respect it for what it is.....anything from Dutch Passion Califormia Orange I love

[@Allenbass7]

This is so enlightening! Thank you so much.

[@bertbasset8961]

Brilliant conversation and 100 percent right nice one lads

[@kevinc8387]

Back in the 70s, we grew a purple skunk. We called it the purple. Later, purple panty dropper. Tried to stay away from skunk because people wouldn't look at or smell anything with skunk in the name. It flew out it sold so fast. I grew it for many years. I did a few indoor grows but truly enjoy growing outdoor. Lately that has become more difficult. I live in norcal but more towards the mountains. it gets very hot, highs around 117° f. But so far all looks good.

[@MayorGoldieWilson825]

@kevinc8387 I had no idea it got that hot in NorCal. That's wild. I live in central Texas and it's hot here like 104 to 108, but 117 is insane.

[@secredeath]

I live in so cal by the mountains trying to grown my own. Any advice

[@ONEMINUTEGROWER]

Great way to enjoy over 2 hours of my boring 15hr. Graveyard shift I definitely learned some shit.

[@skunkapesolutions1202]

Those few posts about Ruthless Runtz S1’s and this podcast really confirmed what I’m finding going through some Pink Runtz S1’s.As far as looks goes their pretty rad but all smell exactly the same ..all are just slightly different Gelatos..which I’m kinda bored with.Awesome when things click between my lament brain and the pros😊👍🏻

[@Views4rmdamud]

That’s weird cause even with s1’s you still get variations! It’s no different than a f1! Growing Bahama mama s1’s now and a few other fire strains!!

[@skunkapesolutions1202]

Every plant looks completely different but all have same high and flavor is what I’m saying.They don’t behave like you would expect

[@NotRamee]

I don’t think Zkittlez should be associated w/ cookie, Runtz, gelato and sherb. Those cultivars we created by people that know each other and work w/ each other. Zkittlez was “born” in the mountains.

[@BreedersSyndicate]

Zkittlez is very very very likely an s1 of tbe Key Lime Pie - based on breeding and running out large s1 populations of both and seeing which breeds more narrow. If it’s a child of GREEN SHERB it for sure deserves mentioned in the cookies lineage as it’s born from the same inbred genetics. And there’s no way you can look at Z and think that plant looks stellar. All shorty limbed branchy squat little turd plant.

[@ceelos305]

I agree. Is it not grape ape x grapefruit?

[@landracecornerstone2404]

@@ceelos305 yes I think it is, and they are a ugly little plant.

[@andybarker5687]

I think the term skittles is older than cookies. I'm from San B county, California. I knew foos growing what they called skittles and I had a friend talk about purple skittles, this would be 2010ish maybe 09 or 08. Could just be a name

[@cadekenison147]

​@@andybarker5687 your completly correct and im not even from cali im from montana/Idaho. Knew about skittlez before it became popular and ii wasnt all that then.

[@BatmanBoss]

I smoked a lot of that Kush he’s talking about. I lived in the Bay Area in 2008 era and that cut was grown by friends it has great terps and definitely gives the anxiety. My crew called it diesel kush

[@krustysurfer]

That 'ANXIETY' comes from the Thai side of skunkman skunk line.

[@Pure_Presha]

Great open discussion. IMO, all good strains repping different regions of great flower...Kush = LA, Cookies/GDP = Bay Area, Piff/Diesel = NY....

[@jmangames5562]

Superskunk/chem=mass

[@cr2378]

Let's not forget BC. Imo some of the heaviest and gassy kush like Death Bubba Rockstar Kush Tuna Kush Chemo etc and to this day there are growers dedicated to Bubba. Super gassy Bubba still exists in BC and some old Hindu Cuts etc.

[@Promontory_Ryder]

Maaan that early 2000s nyc sour d was suuuuch a treat. That piff was also, always good.

[@AZTroutBum89]

Another great episode. Thank you!

[@alwaysoutafterdark6136]

Tired of the flavors shit. Bring back OG Kush!!

[@donnnyblaka4557]

i dont think u listened

[@Nibs333]

“We had 15 seeds on this pheno hunt. But the number 20 was popping” How was there a 20 out of 15?

[@BreedersSyndicate]

That’s why it’s funny

[@ayepeacee]

It only happens when using reg seeds once the males are culled. The numbered pheno is higher than the actual number of females flowered in the hunt

[@ronin7261]

Probably "regular" seeds ---i.e. more than 15 seeds, but only 15 females.

[@AktiVader]

It’s wild how many strains cookies are a part of. Almost all of the cuts I have, have cookies in their DNA I am just now finding out

[@BreedersSyndicate]

Time to change it up!

[@thesebadseeds]

Once GSC blew up, the Cookies brand was associated with their subsequent cuts. A lot of people who had genetics already bred into GSC, Gelato, etc were soon signed onto the Cookies brand. Groups like Seed Junky, Jungle Boys, Runtz, Compound Genetics are all using strains from them.

[@kennethreffitt2051]

I've seen that for a while and I feel like they ate messing all the weed up. I'll ask for something not in the cookie family and budtenders don't realize all the strains around here are directly related to cookies.. sucks I can't find much else anymore

[@donniek7182]

Had an old roadkill skunk no.1 x northern lights back in the 80s, called it black death, , couldn't smoke it hardly ,was really narcotic. Since i have smoked and grown all the hot strains over the years and I will say this, if i had a time machine I would put this shit today out of business. Not saying there isnt decent strains today ,there are, but nothing what that was.

[@Nitidus]

After homegrow has been legalized, the first two strains I started were White Skunk ( 🦨 x White Widow) by Sensi Seeds and Lemon Cherry Cookies (???) by FastBuds. So one very classic, traditional, easy mix versus one brand new (2024 series), highly bred Cali strain with god knows what genetics. I'm very interested in seeing how they'll compare when they're done. And if the comparatively incomprehensible amounts of time, money, and expertise put into the new strain actually led to it being better at all. Or if it just sucks.

[@zhou_sei]

@@Nitidus "legalized" is such a loaded term... i won't stop fighting until i can grow unlimited plants... if i can grow a bajillion tobacco plants, i should be able to grow a bajillion cannabis plants.

[@Ant.Pharms]

Dope episode with great host mix. Like the format. ❤

[@BreedersSyndicate]

Appreciate that thousand is a great addition

[@forttunanthehouse]

Does anyone know of anything similar to the Old School "pine top" or great smelling pine'y herb from the early 80s..thx .

[@BreedersSyndicate]

Pine tar kush from Tom hill reproduced by CSI humboldt as well as cmas tree bud

[@RaheemOwens]

Foggy mountain

[@dennisrichards2604]

People today who didnt experience Durban Poison of the mid 90's are sorely missing out. The Durban P. I used to smoke back then was pure Black Licorice dominant. 3 hr high. STRONG. Almost too much for some back then. Here in Canadian markets Ive searched, and with limited run of CSI Durb its now Lemony/Lime/Terpinoline dominant plant. Completely different from back then. Dunno what happened. Its a sad loss for us all. Todays Durb can still be a somewhat strong high in itself, but nothing like what was coming out of A-Dam back in early-mid 90's.

[@Darko1324]

FUCK YES! Smoker after my own heart

[@aussiegunjaProject]

💯Anise👌

[@zacharyhutson8420]

In indiana around 2008 2009. There was alot of brick. So I grew some brick seeds out and I had a phenotype that smelled of pure licorice. And back than I never smelt something like that. Good weed good yeild. The other plant I thought wasn't as good at first. Less yeild so I saved it for last. Well after a year in jars. It was bright green and yellow. And completely blew my mind. Even .y freind who.were heavy stoners could only handle a joint between 3 people. I think it was the haze.

[@DG-iw3yw]

got some 80s durban seeds from a company not long ago, waiting to test them, seeds are ultra small and dark, reminiscent of less domesticated cultigens

[@dennisrichards2604]

@@DG-iw3yw Good luck w/ those. I literally just got access to some of Mel Franks' stock of Durban Poison thru persistance. Tho Im sure anise D.P. is still around, like "Haze" theres 94 different chemotypes under the same working name, they're all seemingly completly different.

[@jasonb.1684]

yes, you could have bought the nl#5 x haze. $400 for 10seeds. plus getting them home. $400 was a ton of money back then. space, flower time and yeild were things to look at. worth it.😂

[@dennisrichards2604]

In 1992 I was paying $300CDN for an ounce of Haze. Seed prices were crazy back then, agreed. Actually, seed prices are STILL crazy lol. I just dropped $345 CDN on 2 packs of $100 USD seed packs. Exchange rate is killer.

[@woodchipgardens9084]

Harborside in Oakland sells clones and they keep running the same ones, very limited selection when you think about it and usually cookies strains, clone conservatory has a delivery service so I can get some other varieties.

[@DaveTomahawk]

Super interesting podcast. I’m trying to learn more about growing and I’ve definitely noticed the last 2 years it’s been all cookies strains I’ve been getting. It didn’t seem unique anymore and so I’ve been trying to find more original old school strains. I will say any Gelato strain is maybe my favorite to smoke of the new school stuff it zaps anxiety and helps me sleep really good but I miss the skunky chronics from the mid 2000s when I started smoking. I would kill to smoke on some Golden GOAT or Colorado grown Blue Dream that would tease our small Midwest farm towns (400 an oz 60 dollar 8ths 😮) when we mostly got brown dense mids.

[@calmerthanyou77]

What a great episode! Thanks guys fir everything you do! Peace&Blessings

[@flyingfishsurf]

Mutts make great pets. They're usually smarter & healthier than many purebreds. But, when you want a quality Shiba Inu or an authentic Chow Chow, you need to actually go to Asia. Hybrids have not improved REAL centuries old cultured cannabis strains. Purps? Feminization? Autoflower? Say Noooooo! Also, the names are absurd too. Hybrids are not against any god, but breeders can't duplicate the terrior of the best landraces. Simply impossible. The flavors of mid altitude Colombian can't be duplicated. Even different Himalayan valleys have their own distinctive terpene profiles. Connoisseurs can tell with their eyes closed. The 'experts' are overrated and full of themselves. Of course, I've never inhaled.

[@PNNYRFACE]

Bernie Mac Milk n Cookies

[@cr2378]

Can anyone fill me in on Wedding Cake? Lots of rumors and different lineages some include GSC. The Wedding Cake I've had is so far from what this fellow has described. The two best cuts of Wedding Cake I've had in my life had a number of years in-between. Quite bright bud. Not the chunkier or dense. But it smelled like Froot Loops cereal with some pepper and spice under there and definitely had a unique high. Given I'd have some garbage WC nothing like the cut I dig. Is it really GSC over and over as fact or conjecture? With all due respect of course. This was in BC probably 8 years ago i first got this cut and another time 5 years later. Love this channel learnerd alot. Never cared for these desert GSC crosses just didn't have the potency or effects I crave but this Wedding Cake is among my favorite. It's sad I'm living in an illegal country and get some real Cali strains but so much is GSC based. At least get a number of Glue strains and interesting Sativas (like Sonoma Coma had nothing like it) but no Bubba etc. Anyways I'm rantinh now cheers!

[@gwaters8067]

I think one is a Jungle Boys cut of Triangle Mints I think. 👍

[@krustysurfer]

Layer Cake is parent

[@wesd9241]

Thank you guys for your time. This is awesome and will absolutely watch as many of these as possible. Thanks for the truth!

[@sloppyfloppy79]

A year later, nothing has changed as these are the only strains available as seeds or clones here in Michigan

[@brunorigazzi5267]

I grew Burmese kush bout 15 yrs ago.. It was medium density..lime green golf balls and pine terps all the way

[@shotzi069]

Lost a Burmese this summer. maybe again next year I’ll try

[@Soft-Shell]

Got some Burmese kush driving through a random dispensary in pueblo co, memorable stuff

[@sergiolandz6056]

man i miss those golf balls, i only had the chance to smoke it from 2008 to 2011 then it was never to be seen in town. Dude that stuff was the shit.

[@BabyRandyRydeZ]

"We did about 15 seeds in the phenohunt and outta those, number 20 was poppin!" 🤣 "Raaaay, That doesn't add up." - Bubbles

[@BreedersSyndicate]

😂😂😂😂

[@pcwwelch]

Notso is great and adds a lot of value. Cheers to him!

[@earlydurbz]

Early Durban (early girl x Durban poison) from Flying Dutchman Seeds is the best strain I’ve done outdoors, it did so well here in Britain where our grow seasons can be short and very unpredictable, its a shame they no longer sell the seeds

[@inkedBc]

First time I smoked cookies was in 2007 in Southern California it was from the Bay Area and we picked it up in Los Angeles . Best weed that was around and it was better then indoor growings we got from ppl in southern cali . And cookies was the first thing we called kush along with orange kush . Then they crossed orange kush and it was orange cookies which is an amazing strain with the cookies smell with the orange . Everyone that smoked cookies when it came out knows the cookies smell and taste was different than everything else . I also remember bubble gum kush .

[@BreedersSyndicate]

This story is epicly bad but thanks for sharing - youre about 2 years too early for cookies 😂😘

[@inkedBc]

@@BreedersSyndicate two years to early I know for a fact we had cookies in 2007 lol it’s two years before I went to prison in 2009 maybe 2008 at the latest. No way it came out in 2009 . We was smoking that stuff all over California from San diago to the Bay Area .

[@inkedBc]

@@BreedersSyndicate just because you had it two years later don’t mean anything lol 😂

[@inkedBc]

@@BreedersSyndicate you was two years too late lol

[@Toofast821]

Amazing knowledge every show I learn allot thank you for sharing

[@chadestrada5264]

hey quick question Matt or notso what do you think gdp x f1 durb should expect in the offspring would it even be remotely close to cherry pie thank you much

[@BreedersSyndicate]

Notsos never grown or smoked f1 durb, but it’s a gingerbread, anise looser budded type than cookies. GDP is an urkel type. I’d expect some cookies looking / cherry pie grape types mixed in with gas

[@chadestrada5264]

@@BreedersSyndicate thanks brotha 💚🍻

[@jayblaze8609]

I'm glad I never got into the cookie hype . I been growing since 2010 and I always stuck to the older strains . I have buddies who grow it but I never liked my garden to look like the next persons garden . I'm so happy I have so many seeds I bought that don't have any cookies in it at all . now i can just grow these strains out and not have to worry about the same taste smell and mid high.

[@BreedersSyndicate]

That’s what’s up!!

[@benayers8622]

try GH cheese, money maker and lemon skunk by greenhouse/strainhunters if u ever fancy a change.. they are oldskool style cheese is a sleeper lemon and MM are more daytime leaning but all 3 are great in my opinion. :)

[@BiodigitalStuff]

@benayers8622 In my opinion lemon and skunk is why we needed cookies. I'd be happy if I never had another lemon or skunk in my garden. It's all about your personal tastes.

[@crisnmaryfam7344]

48:48 You could get cloning gel back in the late 90's my guys. To say NOBODY was working on Genetic breeding until after cookies popped up is being ignorant of the facts. Theres PLENTY of people doing actual genetic testing, lab cultures and the whole 9 yards. They have been since long before stuff went legal, and therefore long before prop 215 and Berner deciding to make some money on his brand. No im not talking just tossing two plants together im talking actual breeding. Many decades before berner. Just in my little town we had a couple growers working on f15+ strains.. back crossing genetics on to the mother producing seeds popping the seeds then cloning and so on so forth. Gberry/Gooberry it is called... and nothing on the market today even comes close. Kind of hard to when everyone is stuck on 8 week flower cycles... this plant takes a full 3 months for flower. 12 weeks MINIMUM. But tell me more how people didnt know anything before berner "blessed us" all....

[@archimedes1077]

It seems that almost every legendary genetic strain has been randomly found.

[@benayers8622]

yep id agree, i think its always the way because so much variance in seeds? the effect can kind of be forced by popping a large number and hunting the unicorns or elite individuals but some people get lucky and find em str8 away randomly.. Thats what id guess anyway.. It maybe some undiscovered force of mother nature for all we know tho lol! :)

[@dennisrichards2604]

Yup. Just about every popular cultivar pre 2015 was a bagseed find, including (allegedly) Cookies, OG Kush, Chemdog91 and Sour Diesel.

[@jinglemyberries866]

@@dennisrichards2604 does anybody in the UK still grow cheese or is it all just "cali" now? such a legendary strain but you hardly come across it anymore.

[@krustysurfer]

Not true, Neville original Holland Seed Bank was the breeder everyone ripped off, kinda of a Tesla story, H.S.B gear was all ripped off from and the standard for the best strains ever bred. Sam Watson DEA skunkman skunk strain polluted almost all the great strains/hybrids, nothing but rippoffs of H.S.B.

[@weedest207]

Fantastic sesh growmies!!! ☝🏻💚🌱🌿🌲Growers love and respect Each one' Teach one

[@RhettWilson-nx3xz]

Can’t leave out OGKB she’s the Godmother of all this shit 💫

[@PhantomFilmmaker-jd9ho]

Og kind bud?

[@PhantomFilmmaker-jd9ho]

@DACapNoirrr4x never know if you don't ask

[@junkinstein2856]

Yes

[@krustysurfer]

Actually its CHEMDAWG progeny

[@beederby7041]

really happy this came into my feed today. thanks for the knowledge.

[@Bookem06]

Csi hooked me up with some (Notso) Headband crosses

[@Proj_Doomsday]

I was growing about 2014. I was working on something BIG not done by the industry. A whole new direction you guys were talking about. Maybe ill contact you later to talk about it. Im sure you. will be interested.

[@newporttaylor2702]

It’s just crazy because the ORIGINAL cookie packs were insanely fire. Now you can’t even find those type of cooks.

[@alijah3218]

my first cookies pack was crazy, so damn sticky and a perfect chocolate chip cookie smell

[@endurone209]

Thats, interesting as Im pretty familiar with most of all the cookie cuts early one and before the cookie hype, the Cherry Pie ( PieGuy cut) aka GDP/ Crinkle leaf pheno, and have worked both in different outcrosses and of the few dozen cookies hybrids never any Cherry Pie terps / dominant shows in the cookies, but with the Pie its pretty dominant in those offspring. Just my personal opinion/ experience. I feel that there is no Pir in the cookies.

[@got2kittys]

Old haze and old indica was hybridised, and have been the outdoors standard here. The corporate structure has homogenised all the big grows. A reliable, old type is nothing like that. But strong home grows are still possible.

[@jasonq132]

i used to have multiple packs of reg seeds from mr nice i bought 20 yrs ago. skunk, nl5, haze genetics. had to pitch em though. literally threw em in a woods though lol.

[@junkinstein2856]

I have Gsc x g13 Mr nice guys 88 hashplant is this same dude ?

[@junkinstein2856]

I found them in my seed collection I only have 4 and dnt know if regs or gems just labeled as such

[@johnrelford7961]

what's your favorite old strain? You can say multiple if you can't pick one . I love them all i wish I could go back in time to try some of the old cannabis strains since people say it was better

[@BreedersSyndicate]

Blueberry

[@moongloomable]

Sensi Seeds Hawaiian Indica

[@dennisrichards2604]

Haze, anise Durban Poison, NL#5, and BC Hawiian Sativa that has a lovely menthol flavor you dont see at all in todays market.

[@dennisrichards2604]

@@moongloomable Ive never tried the Dutch Hawiian but I have ran the BC Hawiian Sativa. It has an incredible creamy menthol flavor to it. 10-11 weeks flowering.

[@Soft-Shell]

Chocolope whatever that came from

[@mcanderson0]

@1:44:11 "Hold on, I'm not finished ranting and also repeating my ranting" 😄

[@JayLoom]

Maybe the weed is just as good as it was 10 years ago, but our nostalgiac perception of a time where things were way less complicated and overstimulated makes it feel like its not hitting the same 🥸 runtz and sherb are fire when grown right

[@BreedersSyndicate]

Sherb gets me high for a while 12 minutes.

[@JayLoom]

@@BreedersSyndicate I've never had straight sherb but the crosses I've had from it smelled so damn good and were pretty strong. Maybe you need a T break lol

[@JamesTheAxeThrower]

@@BreedersSyndicatethat’s you having a high weed tolerance problem lol don’t blame the weed

[@GELATO_f1]

THIS!!❤

[@Reutzel507]

I just ran some black gelato that turned out amazing. But it was very temperamental and didn't like to use a lot of water.

[@danmann3347]

Sherbiski just came to Florida. Tried that gallo gelato was 🔥 also the wizard trees and Doja 11:11 🔥sunset

[@markrich3271]

No one breeds any more . It would be nice if people actually bred to a f6. As far as I'm concerned the bar for what a breeder is is very low today.

[@BreedersSyndicate]

I agree on most of it, except most things would never need to be moved past f4 if done well. The amount of generations doesn’t matter if there’s a goal, and it’s achieved with precision, imo. But I think some folks goals are a lot less precise than others 😂

[@dennisrichards2604]

@@BreedersSyndicate prolly 70% of what I see in Canada's market is just an S1'd cultivar hype clone laid onto another hype cultivar, or back onto itself, and selections made out of that. Most of the time neither cultivar's unique qualities shine thru in the offspring. Mostly mutt-to-mutt breeding done anymore, in Canada anyways sadly.

[@dennisrichards2604]

@@BreedersSyndicate prolly 70% of what I see in Canada's market is just an S1'd cultivar hype clone laid onto another hype cultivar, or back onto itself, and selections made out of that. Most of the time neither cultivar's unique qualities shine thru in the offspring. Mostly mutt-to-mutt breeding done anymore, in Canada anyways sadly.

[@markrich3271]

I'm from the east coast in the late 90s Early 2000s haze was every where . It had a very frankencense catholic church smell to it . Some say it was cuban black other say haze nl5 . Imo it's looks like a dead ringer for Nevilles haze but I've yet to find the pheno type that produces those smells . Do you have any insight Matt.

[@benayers8622]

the very thing of stabilising a strain has been abandoned by some altogether! sold to kids as"pheno hunt packs" sadly they r learning online from lies instead of from socialising with olders these days:(

[@_._._._._._._._._._._._._._.__]

5:40 sounds all like Big Bud to me, the low yielding indica type that already has many of todays smells in it, as well as in the NL leaning low-thc phenotype which can smell very cake-like, just not in a very nice way

[@krustysurfer]

Neville NL1 was absolutely stellar

[@GardensoftheAncientsHerbal]

Cigaweed. It’s almost like everybody wants soul less tobacco like cannabis. I noticed that about seven years ago that all the cannabis kinda had a lack of the flavor that it had before they used to be like strawberry cough or train wreck or the original gorilla glue, cheese, or blue cheese, granddaddy peep, grape ape, northern lights, blueberry, and anything in the 90s that was grown before legalization that was considered a kind bud just had superior flavor and a better high. It’s almost like everybody wants to have a tobacco high tobacco flavor and a plain note less gas flavor with maybe hints of pine from time to time. But the days of strong fruit or floral have passed it seems and I’ve noticed people seem to get annoyed by requesting those kind of flavors when I go into the shops. if I do find a strain that has the qualities of an old-school kind bud with strong candy like flavor that’s sweet most people nowadays do not appreciate it and just prefer that cookies crap. Cookies ruined ganja for the most part for me. The high is awful.

[@kylecoats4444]

I remember when the cookie strains first started coming around and all the newbies acted like it was something special. I figured i just hadnt seen that special cut yet but as the years went by i realized its just garbage.

[@EarthWalkerOne]

I'd almost rather not smoke than smoke any of the cookies strains. Another aspect besides the genetics, is the growers chasing meme-strains typically also suck at producing quality even when they do work with genetics I like. People seem to not be aware that there was even a market for $400+/oz bud in cali 20+yrs ago. The best growers understood that quality is king and there was a sizeable personals market between many heads. These were typically stains that would be difficult to really commercialize, such as 15week sativas or strains from people that just wanted to produce personals. Rec markets driven by companies seeking profit with zero interest in cannabis itself have damaged the cannabis genepool more than prohibition ever did.

[@darkfafnir4389]

Cross breeding has took it to the point of messing up genes and the terps that come with it. The whole point is to have synergy... Everything working together to improve the medication. We always cloned when found what we liked. We had a Christmas 🎄 sized plant that we would clone off of and had a sperate clone/ vegetation area. It took longer cause of the cloning aspects but the Train Wreck was probably still to this day on if the best things I've smoked.

[@kittinsmittens]

Dessert strains are obnoxious... but the truth is this all started with Blueberry culminating with Bluedream... producers/lookers with poor effects. + chasing high t numbers for years lost countless other genetics.

[@ATripp-dm9rg]

This guy right here knows his shit. I know enough to independently verify about half of what hes talking about, so i know the rest what hes saying is probably true. The one strain he didnt talk about that i was hoping to hear his take on is do-si-dos. I didn't much like the dosido itself, but holy mother some of the outcrosses are freaks... amazing. I know it wasnt a legit cookies cut, but it was certainly prevalent enough in the breeding community toget a mention i think. I really miss that keylime pie cut😢

[@BreedersSyndicate]

Fletch did throw a nice curveball into the cookie market with the dosi, for sure. I enjoyed it for a bit myself!

[@benayers8622]

i thought the same bro

[@JJJJuancho]

Cookies sounds like a great business. I remember trying the real thin mints it was so tasty

[@JB-sv5pr]

Real deal thin mints GSC is candy never seen anything close it in over 8 years now

[@FirstNameLastNamescar]

Army vet and life long grower looking for sfv og . I have skywalker and a few rando s to trade . Not a ton. Just some beans. My wife has multiple sclorosis . I have titanium nose orbital and part of my jaw titanium

[@Soft-Shell]

Dispensary on the corner of pico and la cienega in LA has sfv

[@phillipbug958]

I dunno dude- loooot of fire cookies, runtz, skittles etc in Mi lol & difference between home grown, dispo & some outdoor 100% IMO

[@BreedersSyndicate]

It’s all perspective isn’t it? I thought it was pretty fire in 2011 too for a few weeks.

[@cadekenison147]

@@BreedersSyndicate haha i feel the same way bro. but as long as someone enjoys what there smoking or using does it really matter. other than how it fucked gnetics that is.

[@ashleyorr495]

Cookies Gelato sherb runtz, there great but where's the WHEELCHAIR MY OL MAN SMOKED

[@WhoCantHearWillFeel]

F1 Durb x the 'unknown' OG referred to currently as 'Khalifa Kush'

[@Loudpack_music]

story on wedding cake is a bit off.. theyre 2 controversial wedding cakes. one is a cherry pie cross and the other was the triangle kush cut. the triangle kush cut was actually fire. creamy gas that had a narcotic high lasting about 45-1hr

[@Toneloke-3000]

That's the problem with the new strains is it hits you hard and then you're looking for more 15 minutes later😂

[@krustysurfer]

Layer Cake is the parent

[@akshunjacksun4270]

growers love yall.. yeeeeeeeee

[@devinej8411]

When breeding i only care wat the end product is and personally as a small scale breeder i pollinate each plants branch separately sometimes with as many as 5 different males weather a seperate type or the same line i think its very important as ive found many interesting flavors and different qualities for example i have a bubble gum x gorilla glue x samsquach og auto which was testing consistently at 26% to 28% and this was 5yrs ago and has everything you want great taste high ect and on med side very calm and clear headed without a hard come down and yeilds well in concentrates or flower done in 70 to 75days from seed but to get this variety i spent 1 yr running just those 3 crossing them then another year hunting them and i could run 5 grows a yr and its gone before harvest people reserve it ahead of harvest. I will say i dont like this newer bud like wedding cake runtz ect im not a fan there is so much mids out and honestly mids is an understatement but the mediocre bud around is problematic bc people think its fire when in reality its no different than everyone elses its sad i miss the truely special cuts and unfortunately they maybe lost to history but i hope not.

[@zacharyhutson8420]

Sounds amazing

[@dennisrichards2604]

Im not a fan of most new stuff either. Here in Canada almost everything is a Polyploid X'd to another Polyploid. It blows my mind what we are doing here in Canada as far as "breeding". Most times neither parent cultivar is discernable in the chosen offspring they are selling. They are just mutts. IMO. we need to go back to the building blocks of todays stuff and start from the bottom up again. Properly.

[@devinej8411]

@@dennisrichards2604 agreed I've also seen in growing number the miss identification of sativa hybrid indica for an example I got lemon lights recently classified as sativa but is in fact not it is from all resources a indica dominant hybrid that give wat people think of as sativa as far as effects berry gelato 33 had same effects for me but accurate on saying it was a hybrid. I think the market looks like it does bc a ton of people want that narcotic high without the stigma of pills heroin fet etc and you will never have the crazy withdrawal. All I know is out of a minimum 100 varieties I've grown there are only a handful I've ran that were something different in which I've subsequently used in various crosses and not renaming as that's the only way be able to further true breeding another interesting thing is I've always thought it's stupid to kill off the ones that u don't like simple reason being is I think recessive and double recessive traits are wat we want really so why stifle your odds and some of the best strains wre notoriously difficult picky etc chemdog herms same for true sour diesel both cannibalize themselves during flower so we wouldn't have those today if they bread the way they do nowadays and sativa's wouldn't be known.

[@mattspeakers3260]

When he was about to tell the "Flo Rida story" I was waiting for him to say he was at a party and the DJ played Flo Rida, back to back..

[@BreedersSyndicate]

Dj shory had nothing to do with flo-ryda. If everyone is being honest that was involved with that cut, it’s just the same as the kush cut. I don’t think anyone invovled is being 💯 except Josh D. I believe he gave the cookies dudes the kush cut that was circulating LA via Josh. Now, the cookies guys may have lost it, hermed it, pooped more seeds etc, because the current floryda og cut that exists is not super stable sexually. Garb unfortunately

[@nate6748]

The look of the F1 Durb brings to mind Exotic Mike's work

[@dylanalvis5947]

Does he do good work?

[@crisnmaryfam7344]

53:00 WRONG.......... Berner owned the clothing line before the cookies strain was even a thing. Get your facts straight at least people. 2015 The clothing line was founded. 2018 the dispensaries started popping up with the "cookies" trademark name, licensed by berner, as franchises. "Berner went on to develop a line of Cookies clothing wear and opened the first Cookies clothing store in San Francisco in 2015. He also began opening Cookies dispensaries, with the first appearing in Los Angeles in 2018, followed by the first on the East Coast opening in 2021."

[@BatmanBoss]

Best thing about cookies was look, density and potency. The terps are very faint. Taste is not great.

[@williamsanford1546]

Say what you want but gsc forum cut is amazing

[@gbo6007]

Great episode guys. Did the accident happen in Flux's room?

[@RockyBoi90]

Now it makes sense why everytime I get some kind of strain that is Cookie influenced, I was always dissapointed and they all taste bland IMO. At this point, I don’t even want to smoke anything that uses their strains as lineage. They have a strain called Cheetah Piss that smells nothing like Cat Piss (their own words), but then why call it Cheetah Piss? 🤷🏾‍♂️ just Hype at this point.

[@cmmnsenserules4339]

My mom (72 yrs old), keeps asking me "why don't you grow Red Bud and Acapulco Gold, thats the good stuff from the 70s if you could get it, ya loooooooove it" Mom??? Because seeds have been f***ed in the ass and for 20 years now and blow.

[@BreedersSyndicate]

Hahaha mom sounds gangster!

[@krustysurfer]

True Acapulco Gold is transcendental....... Your mom knows whats up. Red bud was Panamanian fyi. Aloha