How Creator Killed Off LEGO's Classic Themes

Over the last year I have been very vocal on the bleak future of LEGO themes that happen to be both unlicensed/non-licensed and non-evergreen. Today though, we discover at least ONE of the culprits behind this change... LEGO Creator. This is the story of How Creator Killed Off LEGO's Classic Themes
#lego #legocreator #legocastle

[@CountDoDo]

I defintely agree that some of LEGO's greatest themes like castle and pirates are very far from their former glory. What I would give to see sets again like those in the 80s and 90s, with lots of minifigures and tons of factions

[@OurToyWorld]

They had it so, so, so, so good back in the day! It's not right that we haven't had these themes in years! Hope you enjoy the vid, Count DoDo!

[@n_ex13]

Yeah true

[@yeeoof1995]

worst of all, space has been trapped in a 'sonic situation' where only one part gets substantial representation (in this case, classic space) while the parts that came afterward are forgotten

[@OurToyWorld]

@@yeeoof1995 That's so true, Yee Oof. And it isn't even Classic Space. It's specifically the Blue Faction. Idk what they're called ... do they even have a name? Be sure to stay on the lookout later this week, I have a video coming out about LEGO Space this Saturday!

[@yeeoof1995]

@@OurToyWorld well, i assume you mean all the blue spacemen when you say 'blue faction' that is basically just benny. which makes it even closer to sonic

[@Maniac4Bricks]

I beg to differ that LEGO has diminished Castle, Space and Pirates. In my opinion, these themes were demolished because of licensed themes such as Lord of the Rings / The Hobbits, Pirates of the Caribbean, Harry Potter and of course, Star Wars. When LEGO released Space sets after 1978, there were examples of people building them into Star Wars vehicles after the hype of the Original Trilogy. In terms of design, LEGO finds it redundant to have 2 castle-like themes on shelves, or 2 pirates-like themes on shelves, or 2 space-like themes on shelves when one has more wide appeal, typically the licensed ones. And sadly as time marches on, the less they produce original themes like Galaxy Squad, Forestmen, or 2009 Pirates, the less people will choose them when they know licensed ones can be made. LEGO has been in a drought for the classic trio for a long time, and their resurgences fallen under the radar, but in my opinion, Creator is EXACTLY the way to reignite interest in them. For the past 3 years, they have guaranteed us a castle set, a pirates set, and a vikings set that otherwise would be left forgotten. Which each set being a 3-in-1, it provides enough opportunity to make multiple models to expand each main build, and with the same parts. This is nothing new for Creator, as they've done this in the past for train sets in order to provide a locomotive and passenger car and sometimes a caboose as 3 models in the same set. The 2017 dinosaur set that is still on shelves offers 4 models from its pieces to make 4 different types of dinosaurs (1 is an online instruction). But I also understand that an entire theme cannot be packaged into one singular retail box, and I would enjoy the original world-building of classic themes again. I would hope that sales of the Creator 3-in-1 classic sets would prompt interest into making a full theme again for castle and space minimum, vikings is more difficult but not impossible as it has been done before.

[@OurToyWorld]

Thank you so much for sharing your thoughts, Joey. I don't really have much to say except thank you for this great comment. You're right, these sets do provide fans with 3 castle builds, 3 pirate builds, and 3 vikings builds. Sure, it isn't a theme, but it's better than nothing. And who knows? LEGO probably knows that these properties are not returning anytime soon, so this is the next best thing.

[@shinyrayquaza9]

Honestly, original themes in general besides ninjago and city are dying, even when they make a new cool one like hidden side, it dies a year in

[@kentslocum]

100% agree. It's the licensed themes that have killed off the classic themes--just like how Disney's movie characters are replacing all of the original attractions at the theme parks.

[@AxeManJapan]

I bought all the creator classic themes and now I am dying to get a set classic theme line, so I definitely agree with you.

[@stehlik]

Very much agree. Boggles my mind; I’m no marketing expert so I might be missing something but it seems Castle themed sets sell tremendously well for exorbitant 2ndary market prices. One could argue there’s room in our wallets for a dedicated castle line, if people are willing to pay crazy premium for those tiny 4minifig battle packs from 7-8 (?) years ago..

[@galvon]

I see the creator line not as a replacement but as a testing ground to if kids would like a castle line seeing how well some of these sets sell. They just cant say the old fans will buy like crazy look what happened to bionicle

[@OurToyWorld]

I mean that's fair, but Bionicle failed because it was a terrible reboot. LEGO fans won't support a theme JUST because it's nostalgic. Has to have actual effort put into it. Bionicle 2015, Castle 2013, Pirates 2015... they were all low effort lines, I'm sorry.

[@lucifernebulae]

This is pissing me off, that Castle, Pirates or Wild West are no longer available and forgotten. 80% of Lego is now licensed bullshit.

[@OurToyWorld]

You and me both, Lucifer. Unlicensed themes are why I fell in love with LEGO in the first place!

[@JackNapierKnows]

I would love if Lego did battle packs for the Black Falcons like they do for Star Wars.

[@OurToyWorld]

That would be awesome! Those would sell like hot cakes. Thanks for sharing your thoughts, Jack.

[@definitelynot_tfol36]

In my opinion, it's more likely that licensed themes are cancelling out unlicensed, as they sell better with child and adult demographics. I'm thankful that Creator atleast brings us sets like these.

[@ender7278]

These sets being released under Creator isn't the cause of the themes' absence, it's a symptom. Corporate probably decided against releasing full themes for one reason or another and the designers decided to make these Creator sets as a sort of consolation prize for fans. Also Castle has been undergoing a pretty big revival as an adult-oriented reboot of Classic Castle. The Lion Knights, Black Falcons, and Forestmen have all made grand returns, even if it isn't in full themes.

[@ClassicStudStudios]

I think we’re specifically missing the wolf pack

[@Gameprojordan]

Also the cmf 23 knight is a throwback to the original yellow castle (set 375 released in 1978) faction. Idk what their faction is called but the logo is a gold crown on a pink background

[@ClassicStudStudios]

@@Gameprojordan technically they’d just be called crown knights, but there’s already a faction from 2007 called that so most just call them “knights of the yellow castle”

[@the_dudeabides]

LAUGHS in Wild West theme being nearly 30+ year hold. ... And no Lone Ranger doesn't count.

[@onlinegametime]

I wish LEGO can bring back "Castle/Kingdom" again, but instead of being a lot of knights vs something. I would like to see a Lego Medieval Town. Sets examples: 1. Castle, 2. Blacksmith, 3. Tavern/Inn, 4. Tailor Shop, 5. Town Center with Street Markers, tree and well, Stables. 6. Fishing Docks with a big and small Boat. 7. Windmill with Crops. villagers. 8. Farming Barn Animals. villagers. 9. A Bank or TAX collector with a Robin hood. 10. Bandit camp. 11. Cottage Home. (I bet alot of people would by to make a big village or town.) 12. Small bridge with a watch tower. 13. A Dragon Cave with treasure and Skelton. 14. Wizard Tower or Shop. 15. Barber shop. 16. A adventure Guild.

[@MrJoeyWheeler]

Medieval Village could work, they used to make a whole bunch of those sets. I have one on my shelf, even!

[@keihze25]

"Generic" themes like Castle or Pirates are far more beneficial to children, the primary demographic of Lego, because of one key feature: the room the themes leave for imagination and play. Sure, themes like Star Wars or the Superheroes lines allow for it with characters beloved by all sorts- but there isn't much room for customization. I remember creating entire worlds and characters using such themes as a base when I was a kid, but I don't think that's really possible with what's been shipped out over the past ten years.

[@tylerferron9019]

From my perspective, Lego Ninjago has absorbed all original story themes (like Exo Force), City has absorbed all exploration themes (such as arctic, underwater, mining, and space) ad well as licensed sets taking the rest. Creator is the only way that Lego can release these classic themes as make money, because they simply don’t make money as they used to.

[@destormmystery6490]

To this day i have my fingers crossed to see a red indian village set come to life

[@johnnytifosi]

I have to agree with other commenters. It's a pity that you blame Lego's last pure theme (Creator 3 in 1) for the demise of other classic themes. It's the last theme that provided us with original ideas and alternative builds, both core elements of Lego. If anything, licensing is to blame for this. It has sucked the soul out of Lego for the past 20 years, reducing it to unimaginative, expensive merchandise, and it is getting worse every year.

[@ClassicStudStudios]

I grew up with lego Kingdoms (2010-2012) and I LOVED it, I genuinely think it’s Lego’s best castle theme, it had a great colour dynamic and the box art is BEAUTIFUL!!!!, it had everything, civilians, A simple story, and great sets, I didn’t have a connection with pirates unfortunately:( Personally I love the 3n1 castle ( since I can afford it ) but it’s just not the same as things were once before, there’s no battle packs, being able to get knights for cheap/cheaper ways is always good. I know maybe those castle themes didn’t sell AMAZING! But there’s still many many fans, the lion knights castle alone is bringing in knew fans. Simply put give us a wave of 7 castle sets that is all I ask lol I also agree with Maniac, Licensed themes have killed original ones ( I think Ninjago is also to blame somewhat ) have a good day Mate!

[@OurToyWorld]

Kingdoms was such a great line. A great contrast between heroes and villains, nothing too cheesy, quality sets, the potential to army build. Realistic, but at the same time still had a fantasy element to it. That could very well be the best LEGO Castle line ever. Sucks that it lasted a few years only to be replaced by some mid. (Sorry Castle 2013) I'm like you in the fact that I like the 3in1 Castle, I really do. Unlike the Pirate ship or Viking ship which retail for $120 (what are you thinking LEGO), the Castle is a solid build and the $100 price tag is more than fair. But I want a Castle THEME. Yeah, 2013 might've flopped, but that's cause 2013 sucked. Again, you and I both agree they had something great going with Kingdoms, could've easily done a soft reboot of that line instead of throwing it all away.

[@nwut]

why is ninjago to blame in this case exavtyl

[@ClassicStudStudios]

@@nwut for the lack of original themes? Becauses it’s becoming everything, s14 makes a perfect new underwater theme, but they put it in Ninjago, MOTM sets would’ve been perfect for a fantasy castle theme, but they put it in Ninjago, s6 could’ve been a new steampunk theme ( the sky pirates are similar to steampunk ) but once again it’s in Ninjago instead, you see what I’m saying? Instead of these concepts being used to make new themes they only use them in Ninjago.

[@nwut]

@@ClassicStudStudios true...

[@MortonBricks]

Not to mention it turned them into huge expensive adult collectables.

[@taraelizabethdensley9475]

Something not all afols can even afford 😢

[@jedisquidward]

This is a backwards way of looking at things, and I don't mean "backwards" as an insult. Saying that Creator "killed" or "replaced" the classic themes is a mentality that is very much looking at what we know now and coming to conclusions based on that. Creator didn't "kill" these themes; they ended themselves when they stopped being as profitable as they needed to be in one way or another. If anything, Creator is reviving these themes by having sets that pay tribute to them. It's not as if there's a boardroom meeting saying "We can have a Creator Castle or we can have a new full Castle theme", it's "We can have a Creator Castle or we can have nothing". Now I would love to see both of these themes come back, but if we're going to discuss it, we should be honest about how this stuff actually works and come up with ideas from there instead of making a simplified narrative with an easy solution. Additionally, not to be mean, but maybe consider changing your editing choices. Every word you say popping up on screen, 1 to 2 words at a time is a bit obnoxious.

[@OurToyWorld]

You make a good point. LEGO knows these properties aren't returning anytime soon. They don't fit in with the company's goals it now has for unlicensed themes. And also, sorry about the editing, I don't like editing videos that way myself but it increases viewer engagement and helps place my videos in the algorithm.

[@metroid767]

@@OurToyWorlday for placing algorithm over editorial structure and creative and narrative integrity… you only have a thousand subscribers. You don’t have to appeal to the masses. You’re small enough that you can basically do what you want. Dont bend to an algorithm. And if you have to alter you content in ways you wouldn’t prefer just to appease an incorporeal computer program, then why do this at all?

[@dskalua579]

ok the GIANT text is annoying as all hell.

[@jjrambles683]

It feels like it's screwing up my eyes

[@TopMostFlavor]

Honestly if they dont see profit, it makes sense they wouldnt release a whole theme with a few half arsed sets and a few great sets. Instead just release one awesome set with 3 different options. I like it

[@LordDavid04]

How many different castle designs can they make anyways? This is not a simple City build where you have almost infinite possibilities for a Police Station or Fire Station. There's just so many factions you can come up with and so many different castle designs, before it becomes repetitive.

[@swiatowidciesslak6249]

I agree. YET, I realy wish for return of different theme: Adventure. Not only it is nostalgic, not only is one of most famous themes, not only it is opportunity for different sets (vehicules, buildings, ruins, huge creatures), not only it can give us a lot of varietys (new corners of the world, characters, villains, storys) but also it is great material for tv show.

[@OurToyWorld]

Adventurers is great, but I doubt we'll ever see another line like it. It was LEGO's Indiana Jones before they got Indiana Jones in 2008... and with them producing sets for the new movie next year, Adventurers won't be returning anytime soon. Sucks though. It was a great line, and while Pharaoh's Quest rebooted the Egyptian element of the line, there was no reboot for the South American or Eastern arcs.

[@swiatowidciesslak6249]

@@OurToyWorld Sadly, I think you're right. Our best hope is that Lego would search for more oryginal content for new tv show. Also, thanks for answer and heart.

[@LordDavid04]

The problem with Adventurers was the "Pharaoh's Quest" line. It was short lived and shot itself in the foot being a single run theme. Had they called it "The New Adventurers" and set it in the 50's, you could have branched out to other themes like the Jungle or the Orient or whatever.

[@VestedUTuber]

@@OurToyWorld The thing with Indiana Jones, however, is its ties to certain real-world events that LEGO generally tends to shy away from, and the fact that the franchise has been mostly irrelevant apart from occasional movie releases. I don't see it as being a blocker to a possible future Adventurers-like theme like Star Wars is to Space. We only really got the new sets because of the upcoming movie, and the gap in between the 2008 wave and now didn't stop LEGO from releasing Pharaoh's Quest.

[@VestedUTuber]

@@LordDavid04 At the time, LEGO was doing a lot of one-and-done themes, that's not just an issue with Pharaoh's Quest.

[@Kelis98]

I think this is also true for other themes such as space and others But yeah we need dedicated castle and pirate themes And there was also the creator Viking ship as well which Vikings was never as big but it’s worth mentioning

[@OurToyWorld]

Thanks for sharing your thoughts, Kelis. I almost included Vikings in this video but I didn't think it'd be right since they aren't a classic property like Castle or Pirates.

[@Ayden_77]

As a pirates superfan, i have never heard someone spit this much facts. Ever. This is the most true video I have ever seen. The 2015 sets didn’t do it for me, and I only collect the vintage ones as the rebooted themes were mid at best (aside from the imperial flagship) and I was a baby when those 2009 sets released so my only chances of getting any pirates sets are from ebay. Amazing video!

[@OurToyWorld]

Thank you so much for watching Ayden. I kind of have a similar experience. I was only 6 when the 2009 sets came out and I think my grandpa bought me 2 of them - Loot island and Kraken attackin, I believe. I only bought the entire 2015 wave because I swore to myself years later that I'd buy the entire next wave of LEGO pirates, lmao. But yeah, looking back, they were blessed with some dope Pirates sets back in the day. Idk why LEGO wouldn't want to test the waters (get it) and really challenge themselves once more. That's what was so special about Pirates initial run - it wasn't a decade of remakes, but a decade of constant innovation. I pray we see Pirates again.

[@Ayden_77]

@@OurToyWorld I’m with you on that one mate, I do have the entire 1989 wave as well as a few other pirates sets like the skulls eye schooner, the imperial trading post, rock island refuge, and enchanted island. I was think of personally writing to Lego, and I could quote this video, once again great video

[@OurToyWorld]

@@Ayden_77 Damn, that's quite a collection! And wow, that's awesome. I'm honored you think that highly of this video, it means a lot to me.

[@Ayden_77]

@@OurToyWorld Thank you! I am happy you like my collection. Don’t thank me for liking your video, thank yourself for making this masterpiece

[@somedude7040]

Ebay is a bad place to get sets from. Try bricklink instead, 😉

[@asteralium]

I wouldn’t consider Creator to be the thing to blame for a lack of castle and pirates. I’d look at it more like Creator is the only way that the designers are able to make castle and pirate sets, because they haven’t been allowed to designs a whole line. But I’m definitely not defending Lego here. They really do need to bring back their classic themes in a capacity that isn’t one off expensive sets. I’m just thankful creator allows the designers to give us just a little bit of castle during these dark times.

[@OurToyWorld]

I like your optimism, Asteralium. These lines aren't included in LEGO's future plans for new unlicensed lines, something is better than nothing, but at the same time I don't want LEGO to never create another Castle or Pirates theme

[@IrishGnat117]

Ugh... I'd drop the fade in text effect... it's taxing on the eyes and you're gonna give people seizures...

[@OurToyWorld]

Thanks for the suggestion, IrishGnat. I still use it but not as much as I used to. I also now have white text on black background which I believe is better.

[@King011Productions]

I really really want all these themes. I’m only 13 so I did not get to experience a SINGLE ONE OF THESE themes. It’s not fair because these days, Lego is focusing too much on licensed themes, and it’s just not very creative anymore. And old sets cost WAAAAY too much. Lego IM BEGGING YOU HEAR US we NEED THESE ORIGINAL THEMES PLEASE!

[@NickonPlanetRipple]

I blame licensed themes and Ninjago moreso than Creator. Look at the last few years. Want a Tron/reboot-esque video game theme? Make it Ninjago. A tabletop RPG castle setting? Make it Ninjago. Islanders? Ninjago. Underwater? Ninjago. Ninjago has absorbed adventure themes that would've had their own aesthetic and characters years ago. I'm surprised there isn't a pirate wave in there. Maybe they're still getting to it. Heck, even city has absorbed a few things. Instead of another Rock Raiders/Power Miners theme, we get a City mining sub theme. As for licensed themes, a lot of the classic original themes we like were just Lego's "ripoffs" before they could get the licenses. Classic space is just Star Wars and Star Trek. Adventurers is Indiana Jones. Now that they HAVE those licenses, why bother with their own version? Personally... I'm thankful for Creator. Creator is the compromise, it's the closest we'll ever come to seeing those themes proper again, and it's nice of the designers put so much care into the secondary and tertiary builds that you can in effect build a proxy wave by getting multiples.

[@matthew_thefallen]

I have an older friend that has kids and he noticed that Lego sets do not have the simple pieces like they used to have, like for example the classic 1x4 brick and so on, they're all weird complicated pieces for kids. He wanted to buy something for his kids but he did not find any cool set like they used to be for them. And then I realized that yes, there are so many complciated pieces that are cool to look at when everything is built but it ruins the playable factor.

[@Leo.501]

Agreed! Pirates and castle themes where the main atraction when I was a kid, and since I am back on lego colection recentlly (just build and collect) I would love to see a proper Pirates and Castle themes, when I was a kid I saw them only in pictures, because in my country back then those sets and lego in general was not avelaible officially at all... Cheers!

[@ghostninja0105]

As somebody born in 99 i will say that i grew up with some of the best and original lego themes and sets. I could say my generation got spoiled with amazing sets. When i was very young we got the orient expedition sets. A bit later we got the lego exo-force sets, which were amazing to play with as the exo suits fit nicely with for example the bionicles of that era. Not too long after we got the lego castle, which was and still is my favorite theme. Followed up by themes like lego agents, space police, mars mission, power miners, atlantis and ninjago. This doesnt even cover a lot of the city related stuff and other (licensed) themes, but it was just to name a few. I feel however that the amount of new/unique themes such as these, has decreased a lot for some years now. Lego has delivered nice sets over the years dont get me wrong, but it doesnt feel the same as for example the 00s. Please forgive some spelling/grammar mistakes, english isn't my first language

[@Gamer_Dylan_6]

To me it seems like lego is just testing the waters before dropping a full castle or pirate theme. It's been shown in the past that if a set sells well enough it can be spun into its own theme. This is the case with minecraft and sonic, which both got their own themes after successful ideas sets. Considering how castle and pirates have failed in the past, this seems smarter than just dropping a full 7 set wave out of nowhere. With ninjago being rebooted this year its the perfect time for them to bring back more original themes.

[@OurToyWorld]

I like your optimism, Dylan. That would be great. A new Pirates or Castle line would certainly sell well if it was not RUSHED. This would be a great time for LEGO to bring back these themes. The King's Castle from 2022 and Barracuda Bay from 2020 have created interest in these themes once more, from fans of all ages. LEGO should acknowledge this amazing opportunity they have and take advantage of it.

[@estebanofarrell4841]

one of the best video essays in a while. awesome

[@OurToyWorld]

Thanks for the support, Esteban! Any other topics you'd like to see me cover?

[@arghjayem]

I agree, castle and pirates deserve their own theme. As does Vikings. I thought the recent Viking ship and Midgard serpent was awesome but much like the recent pirate and castle sets it was released under the creator line, so unlikely we will get more sets like it.

[@OurToyWorld]

Yeah. That Viking ship is okay but it isn't worth the $120 price tag. Would love to see LEGO experiment with Vikings again in a line! Came and went wayyyy too quick.

[@godofwarhammer7655]

I miss the castle and pirate themes I really wish LEGO brought them back

[@jackedpreacher6570]

Just remembering LEGO Racers from 1999, when you had different sets and bosses you raced against makes my heart beat again. If they made a similaf game today I think it would be a big hit.

[@gadget19k76]

Every time I go into my local Lego store, I tell the workers there this exact thing. A rerelease/reimagining of the classic themes would be guaranteed to sell as both fans and collectors young and old would eagerly dive into them.

[@OurToyWorld]

Absolutely. Worse comes to worse, they could make it an online exclusive brand like Monkie Kid. But to rob people of these classic properties is wrong. Thanks for watching Gadget

[@Durahan82]

I don't agreed with your opinion . The Pirates theme sets was put on hold , because of Pirates of the Caribbean releases which would cannibalize the sells , same thing happen with the Castle theme and Lord the the Rings/The hobbit sets and Space theme and Star Wars sets . And i find the Creators sets Practical to get more spare parts for Mocs

[@Songal18]

To see so much passion to bring these themes back, hopefully Lego sees this wonderfully done video.

[@OurToyWorld]

Thanks for the support, Songal! Hope life has been treating you well as of late.

[@Songal18]

@@OurToyWorld Thank you, I hope it's been treating you well to.

[@brotherfromanotherbrick]

Richie, you keep dropping bangers! I 100% agree with you, though I do understand why LEGO is branding classic sets under Creator, as in the past, they didn't sell well. With the Vikings Village coming out later this year, even though I'm hyped, I would rather a full Vikings line.

[@OurToyWorld]

Thanks for the support BFAB! I mean the last Pirates line was pretty disappointing (the 2009 line had better sets, what can I say?) and the 2013 Castle line was a little too similar to 2010-2012's Kingdoms- both lines featured "good knights" vs "bad knights" Still though, especially with the amount of time that has passed, if LEGO were to actually make a decent Pirates or Castle wave I'm confident it would be a massive hit. Give fans what they want and they'll show up! It's not rocket science!

[@n_ex13]

@@OurToyWorld why should that be? Casual afols are for the most part content with the selection we got, hardcore fans like you and me would probably buy things but the general public. If you are nostalgic for castle, you already have a giant lion knight and a slightly smaller black falcon castle and at least one town building. There is basically only an inn, a poor farmer house and castles for the remaining two to five big well known factions. And if all these bases are covered who do you sell it to? Children don't care about castle or pirates, all casual nostalgic fans are pretty much satisfied by having a few buildings and a big castle for there favourite faction and hard core castle fans Ok you ain't gonna stop them buying the sets, no matter what. Pirates, well we already have a big expensive ship, and a smaller more affordable one, missing is only the imperial fort and ship. And what is the next were do you move onto when you are done?

[@Quirderph]

@@OurToyWorld "both lines featured "good knights" vs "bad knights"" Not only that, but good lion knights led by a king vs bad dragon knights led by a wizard.

[@hilariousskullnamedcatzo647]

Lego: **makes two sets** This man: *IT'S THE END OF THE WORLD AND OUR CHILDHOODS*

[@OurToyWorld]

Lol 😝 - thanks for watching, Catzo!

[@slayadex23ofender]

This video is written like a paper under the word count that you struggled to make long enough to present.

[@OurToyWorld]

Lol. Where was this behavior apparent in your opinion?

[@dunebug233]

Lego should just make a general theme that releases sets under castle, space, pirates, etc that’s different from creator.

[@OurToyWorld]

Hmm, I like that idea!

[@bad-knight]

don't even get me started on classic space, too..

[@ClassicStudStudios]

Galexy explorer is AMAZING! I think I full more smaller remakes would be nice

[@OurToyWorld]

I'd like remakes that aren't GWPs lmao

[@ClassicStudStudios]

@@OurToyWorld yaaaa. I give us three and ones 🤣 that way you have the feel of old sets with alternative biulds.

[@OurToyWorld]

@@ClassicStudStudios Ehhh how about three sets lol. Not 3 in 1s

[@paulwright22]

I beg to differ. The lego 3 in 1 Creator pirate ship was actually genius. Lego released a single set but actually released an entire pirate range. We had Barracuda Bay in 2020. For those that built the ship, the island was left over. Lego brought out the creator 3 in 1 and BOOM, you have the option to build an Inn, and place it on the island. If you left Barracuda Bay as the island, you had the option to add 'skull island' build from the creator set as an addition. If you built the pirate ship, you can leave Barracuda Bay as an island ship wreck and still have a decent ship. But I believe lego wanted fans to buy THREE Creator sets and make all 3 builds. Therefore, you have 4 or 5 pirate themed sets from 2 purchases. Very clever, except for the replication of minifigures, but those can be swapped around to prevent duplicates.

[@benparker1822]

If they were to go on-line only, I would be open to the idea of them reissuing long out of print sets, maybe with updated features and build techniques. I, for one, only managed a few small sets of any one thing in the 90s, missed out entirely on a lot of things in the early aughts, and would love to go back and fill in the gaps, or army build. For instance, I'm a Black Knights fan. I have all of three sets from the collection, though. It would be nice to fill in there, as none of those sets are an actual castle build. Something else I remember from the classic castle and space lines were the modularity. Castle especially had portion sets that could link together with multiple versions of it self to make a bigger whole, as well as little add-on portions to add flavor. But, someone reviewing the Futuron Space line pointed out a missed opportunity with specialty pods kitted for different tasks for their space vehicles. I'd love to see THAT, too. And, with a lot of the new Ball/Socket parts available, they could revisit some of the droic/bots/mech builds and give them much more poseability.

[@autofigure00]

I wish lego would make more "Classic" branded sets like theyve been doing these last couple years but in smaller set forms. The classic space ship and classic castle set they released this / last year are amazing and I want more modern day normal sets that just have good ol classic simple faced yellow minifigs. The vibe of classic themes and especially the look of the classic minifig face and torso prints just look so simple and well done / all you need imo. Classic sets are simple and feel inspiring in a way, modern sets feel really cluttered and busy, full of special or complex molds and prints. I was born in 2000, I grew up with bionicle from about 2005 as a child until its end, I was maybe 8 when Pirates 2 was out and although my parents couldnt afford much lego (and when i did get anything it was bionicle) I have good memories of looking at the lego pirates sets at Barnes and Nobles wishing I could get one (Even the cheapest small sets). me and my brothers were also given our dads legos from when he was a kid which contained SO many legos, parts, and minifigs from classic space and classic pirates and I just LOVED the simplicity and vibe of those sets, the minifigs, the box art, etc. (they just look SO good even on the new "Classic" adult sets released last year). I know many didnt LOVE pirates 2009, and even though I really wanted the sets I didnt love it to the degree I liked the older version because it just didnt have the same vibe or look. the same went for Bionicle when they rebooted it. They stripped it of the dark tone / vibe which was a KEY part in making the lore good and "cool" to kids, and the villians were just terrible, boring, unrememberable as sets, etc. I did kind of like how most of the first Toa wave sets looked, but the second toa wave / the G2 toa "nuva" did NOT look good imo. I feel like I havent REALLY enjoyed a classic lego theme since when ninjago released up to the snakes series, Monster Fighters, and Power Miners (which was my probably my second favorite line growing up aside from bionicle) and I know many people feel the same. I find it hard imaging what kind of lego modern day kids are growing up with given its pretty much all liscensed stuff :/

[@TheItalianoAssassino]

Back in the day, Lego's original IPs went so hard and were the only thing driving sales besides Star Wars. Now, Star Wars is gutted and all the focus is on licensed themes. We need a healthy licensed/unlicensed Mix in my opinion.

[@yigaboii2254]

I just got into classics sets with the barracuda bay 3 in 1 pirate , lions knight castle and Viking ship and I am going to pick up the Viking village when it releases. But I am a kid and I want to play with Lego but if is spent a month saving up for a new castle or a pirate ship for it to come with 3 minifigs and no small set like the classic wave that I can by to build a army. I am going to turn to knockoff and that’s what I did I baught knock off knight because at least they know what we want. I also want to say that as a kid who is into knights and pirates it pains me to see that if I want to upgrade my world it would cost me hundreds of dollars

[@SirSkyro]

Lego needs to bring back castle themes, just too good of a line.

[@OurToyWorld]

Yes! Thanks for watching!

[@ender7278]

Constantly flashing the text of what you're saying onscreen is honestly pretty annoying.

[@MatthewChenault]

I’d argue that the problem stems from the corporate IPs rather than Creator as the corporate IPs effectively ended all of their in-house lines. Take their Space line as a good example. We’ve barely had anything for it because why buy space when you can buy Star Wars? They even tried to do a small revival of the theme in the late 2000’s, but that ended without much success. It’s the same with Pirates. It’s no coincidence that it magically stopped around the time LEGO Pirates of the Caribbean came out… The in-house themes that have continued, though, are ones without any corporate theme such as LEGO City, which has nothing comparable to it and, as a result, persists to this day.

[@ABiscuitCrumble]

For me, I've never been too worried about the castle and pirates theme being introduced into the 'Creators' line of sets and think it can be a good thing for a few reasons. Consumer interests have changed since the themes were first introduced and while there will always be a fanbase for these themes. General consumers may like different themes inside LEGO or outside with a different product. I believe that LEGO introduces Castle and Pirates into Creator as a way of 'Market research' to gauge audience interest and if a set/theme does well then they can justify allocating a larger budget towards a whole theme instead of a single set. Also having a familiar theme keeps returning LEGO fans, as they are more likely to buy the set as it's a theme that they are familiar with. Either that's with them remembering it from their childhood or some other reason. LEGO now is a far different company than it was pre 2000's and their attitudes have changed in order to survive in the current toy market. Creator/IDEAS allows these themes to be given a second chance that they may not have been given otherwise, so for me LEGO are doing a good job and the sets seem successful, otherwise they wouldn't of greenlit a second Pirates themed set Eldorado Fortress.

[@thecianinator]

Ok, that fading in from white typography style you've got going on there has got to go. Seriously, this video is unwatchable because of it. Even a blank black screen would be better. It's so awful that it undermines the points you're actually making, which are good points!

[@JNAMOTORSPORTS]

I wish they had bought back more classic sets or repops/vintage ones for us since they are so much expensive

[@BrentsBricks]

Great video. Couldn’t agree more!

[@OurToyWorld]

Thanks for the support, Brent!

[@MichaeldeSousaCruz]

I don’t agree with your opinion. We just need minifigures and accessories for factions available as battle packs or just on Pick a Brick. The 3 in 1 Creator series is a great idea and they should release another castle in this series with a different faction. Many of the smaller builds in castle are just not that great in design. A 3 in 1 can incorporate those not so great small builds. The minifigures and accessories are really what is important! We need more medieval mini upper and mini lower designs with accessories (weapons, shields, streamers, etc.)

[@hakanstorsater5090]

I guess the main issue with the older themes is that the reboots just didn't sell enough, and failed to get the interest of modern kids. Hence, shoutouts in Creator and occasional Direct-To-Customer sets would be deemed economically feasible, a full-blown theme would not...

[@bakernation]

The Lego themes that should always be on shelves or only take short breaks. Castle, Pirates, Space in some form, Ninjago, City/Friends. For Licences themes Star Wars, and alternate waves of Marvel/DC.

[@alexhill1625]

I wish they’d give some attention to the old Wild West and adventure theme like they did with castles and pirates

[@OurToyWorld]

That would be great, but I doubt they’ll ever reboot Western, sadly. Feel free to check out my video “Will LEGO Reboot Western?” - would love to hear your thoughts

[@brickhorizonfilms1045]

This video spoke some truth. I hope Lego will listen to the fans and bring back these iconic themes. Because Lego wouldn't be what it is today without them.

[@kanicunny]

I don't like that "adult sets" are always high-end expensive stuff, just because were adults doesn't mean we can spend 200$ every month for a set. I personally wanted some kind of playset with a display touch, like the dark trooper attack set but with a black display bottom like the star wars diorama sets, that would be cool.

[@MrJoeyWheeler]

Definitely contributes to the problem. When I look at the online lego shop, I browse by theme. No Castle/Viking/Space? I don't look further. Turns out the space/castle stuff gets hidden away in City and Creator, meaning those who WANT the stuff aren't being directed to it. And also, I'm sick of Licensed themes. I don't care how much money it makes, people aren't buying licensed lego because it's lego, they're buying it because of the license. The most I can do with licensed sets - aside from pay more than normal - is part them out for MOCs, but then I'm saddled with license-specific printed bricks, stickers, and flesh minifigures. Castle, Space and Pirates need to return. Even if they don't release LOADS of these sets, they should just maintain a relatively "okay" stock that can last them for years of sales. Offer them as cheaper alternatives to the licensed themes. Yes, it eats into the same market, but people will choose which they prefer. I want my classic themes back, because I'm a bit tired of my only "own-brand" license options these days being City.

[@SamieCarvalho]

As a old-school fan from Pirates and Castle from the early 90's I'm really disappointed with how TLG is handling classic themes like Castle, Pirates and Space.

[@michaelnurse9089]

Kids are not buying castle and pirates. They want Star Wars, Marvel, HP and Minecraft. So that leaves adult sets (expensive) and the odd creator.

[@chitgoansiau4678]

I just got the Creater Pirates Ship, it hits differently. Castle Knight is my childhood, really wanting a castle now as well, I was just thinking about the creator one haha.

[@OurToyWorld]

The creator pirate ship is a good build and a nice break from the classic design but I hate what it represents

[@santiagomalagon6345]

I think you should remember set LEGO SET 5929-1 - Knight and Castle and LEGO Castle: Creative Building Set (6193) which were both creator castle sets that came before.

[@superviewer]

Hear, hear! I'm still waiting for a remake of the Weetabix Castle.

[@joeywelander1833]

I agree with you except that Creator is not to be blamed in my opinion. I think that some people within TLG are trying to keep the original themes alive under the Creator theme. Licensed themes should be blamed for the lack of original themes. The downwards spiral started with Star Wars and juniorization in the late 90s.

[@RosalinaSama]

agree with the video but damn that text is annoying to look at

[@OurToyWorld]

Thanks for watching Rosalina! Sorry you feel that way. Fast paced editing gives me a higher average percentage viewed, and that gives my videos the chance to be pushed by the algorithm.

[@shinyrayquaza9]

I think original themes in generql are dying off besides ninjago and city, the only one I've seen recently are hidden side and monkey kid, I know one is discontinued already

[@ClassicStudStudios]

Lego dreamzzz is coming so we’ll see where that gose:)

[@shinyrayquaza9]

@@ClassicStudStudios I'm hoping it will revive some of the themes like what happened with time cruisers and the theme its characters were put in after

[@JohnDoe-lo1uf]

The problem with the Castle reboots is that they seemed too cartoony and geared towards small children.

[@dleljak100]

Great vid and all but last castle theme was 5 years ago, not a decade. Nexo knights is a castle theme with a futuristic aesthetic and yeah it might not be the "classic" castle theme but it still is one and should be considered as one. Plus let's not forget the amount of new pieces it gave to the table. I think it shouldn't be considered a failure.

[@OrdemDoGraveto]

It has a "medieval" vibe, but that dont make It part of the the "Castle" lineup.

[@MrJoeyWheeler]

Nexo Knights is by no means a "Castle" theme. Lego Castle inherently denotes a medieval castle set. Vikings is closer to being "Castle" than Nexo Knights is.

[@stehlik]

@@MrJoeyWheeler heck, city is closer in the aesthetics :)

[@n_ex13]

Look lego castle failed over and over again, funnily enough it was one the first ever cancelled lines, the second brick based one, before being rebooted, in America at first, at which point it had it's most famous run. Than that ended with the failure of Knight kingdom one, then the fantasy era was prematurely cancelled, then kingdom came around, and got cancelled, than kingdom came around and had one wave which failed miserably, nexo Knights, was the worst selling of legos big bang themes, the only to have there tv show cancelled.

[@ClassicStudStudios]

You realize all the castle themes you mentioned ( except 2013 ) lasted 3 years which is the standard life span of a Lego theme,I don’t think they were canceled because they weren’t selling, just canceled because they the lived the standard life

[@n_ex13]

@@ClassicStudStudios well yes but actually no, we definitely know that kingdom 1 underperformed and at least one wave of the fantasy era was cancelled due to low sales Nexo knight had it's show completely cancelled and even at peak popularity it didn't surpass chima and the final wave was short packed due to low sales expectation, anything lower and it would be the next Bionicle G2 Lego is also extremely slow in making decisions. Bionicle G2 was effectively cancelled early after it's second wave underperformed even further yet it still had a two year run. All of them met the minimum of expectation.

[@ClassicStudStudios]

@@n_ex13 Knights kingdom failed because it was at a time of Juniorisation ( from the early 2000s ) the sets didn’t look all that great, there’s a reason Knights kingdom 1 is so hated ( though I do like Cedric the bull great character ) As for Fantasy era are you referring to the elf faction? I know back in the day there were fake leaked pictures of elf sets

[@ClassicStudStudios]

@@n_ex13 OH! Lmao I completely missed the second part of this comment sorry 😂. Anyway as for nexo knights, the show wasn’t good ( I watched it it really was bad ) and not only was the theme not what castle fans wanted but Ninjago fans hated it because it was competing with Ninjago ( lots of Ninjago fans hate Nexo knights ) And okay, maybe we don’t need a whole theme ( though me and many others would love one ) give us a battle pack, two Lion knights two black falcons, you can’t tell me that wouldn’t sell because it would, people love army biulding I see your points though, I hope you have a good day:) and I leave you with this question: what is your favourite theme?

[@n_ex13]

@@ClassicStudStudios my favourite theme is space Doesn't mean I wouldn't love a castle return, I would love battle packs for quite a few of the factions I would love to get more affordable castles and meadeval town sets are something I desperately want but all are way to much on the aftermarket (pain). All I am saying is from a business perspective a full blown lego theme probably would be all that profitable One of sets in gwp, creator and icons are probably gonna continue Heck the battle packs could happen.

[@commandergree6131]

At this point, Creator is probably going to be the only way those themes could really exist in any real capacity, mostly given how licensed properties sell so much better than their classic themes. I see Creator less as replacing the themes that came before but rather being a way for them to still actually be made, just under the Creator name, just because it's not economically viable to keep certain themes on the shelf, especially when those themes clash with licensed themes. That's just my two cents but I would not be surprised if somewhere down the line Lego decides to release more sets under the Creator name that harken back to these original themes.

[@OurToyWorld]

Great point. Thanks for sharing your two cents, Commander Gree!

[@benchui580]

I just got into black falcon thanks to 31120. And buying Black falcon troops isn't a easy thing for me. But I think Creator line would be cool to introduce classic line to Morden fan. That open up a new line so More fans can enjoy. Classic Space theme can just do that.

[@thecreationevaluationstati8457]

I don't think that creator has killed classic themes, I believe it's there focus on licensed sets.

[@nkende]

Yeah, and the same can be said for Space. The last "space theme" (that isn't from City and Star Wars definitely doesn't count) was Galaxy Squad in 2013. The company totally changed then. No more baseplates, very few original themes. The reason I dislike Ninjago is because it feels like it's stopping new themes from being released.

[@OurToyWorld]

Absolutely! And I agree. Ninjago is also a culprit, alongside City, Creator and of course licensed themes. On the topic of space, I invite you to watch my newest video “What happened to LEGO Space”- would love to hear your input as a person that seems to enjoy LEGO Space themes.

[@PB12nsd]

Every time you say a word, you should have that word flash on the screen real big.

[@OurToyWorld]

Lol, that sounds like a good idea!

[@Green_Grass123]

We need another actual castle line 😢

[@BoredBricks]

They only care about licensed themes; they’re too lazy to think of their own themes (aside from Ninjago and City).

[@ClassicStudStudios]

And lego friends!, and LMK!, and the new Lego dreamzzz theme😂.

[@ZacPricener]

I see another problem holding these themes back from revival is Ninjago. Ninjago was a complete surprise that has become one of their best and longest-running themes ever. Not only that, but it’s also spawned shows, games, movies, and other merchandise. LEGO clearly wants to capture that lightning in a bottle again, and we’ve seen obvious imitative attempts with themes such as Chima, Nexo Knights, and Monkey Kid. They know Ninjago can’t last forever, so they’ll probably keep prioritizing these newer themes until something that can replace Ninjago sticks.

[@danielherndl7264]

We have the same problem with LEGO City. E.g. the Sea Explorers destroyed LEGO Aqua Raiders or LEGO Atlantis.

[@korwynias_yt]

I personally miss the 80s/90s space sets and that Star Wars killed that off. I wish I had gotten castle and pirates too but my kid self was only into sci-fi XD Also, new sub ^_^

[@mistresspaige2670]

Honestly the best license option to replace Pirates is A One Piece theme. It's a world open for design and creativity. Plus there are so many beautiful ships.

[@OurToyWorld]

That's a good suggestion!

[@antenna_prolly]

"instead of shoving $200 sets down their throats" OMG, yes. Has LEGO not seen the economy this century!? Their product is not as evergreen as their rampant licensing would suggest... but why stop at Castle and Pirate? They should have like, a rotating menagerie of old-school "LEGO Originals" or "LEGO Throwbacks" or something available through online orders....

[@pcih6176]

These bold letters constantly fading in is making me dizzy

[@austinreed7343]

This makes me wonder if BIONICLE and it’s kin could be put into Creator.

[@AWOLbriks47]

Scan the QR code on the back of the instructions on any set you build and tell them we want this theme back under it's own banner. If enough do that I believe Lego will bring them back. They take in feedback better that way than through a KZbin video because of the constant negativity from every one about everything they do basically.

[@ABrickinTime]

I would add that IPs are the theme killers/money makers and evergreen themes like City/creator/Ideas/Ninjago are formatted to allow the themes of old to be incorporated without wasting money to reboot said themes. Sadly.

[@OurToyWorld]

Good point. Why should LEGO randomly released themes that inevitably end after 2-4 waves when they can instead strengthen their evergreen lines? It's the truth, and it sucks, but there's nothing we can do about it.

[@ABrickinTime]

@@OurToyWorld I guess continue to buy vintage on Bricklink! 😂

[@typography123]

Your right, but I’m glad we’re getting at least some creator sets of these themes.

[@OurToyWorld]

That’s a fair point. Thanks for watching, Victor!

[@GabrielDalMaso]

I feel that to a point, this crticism stems from generations of lego fans that grew up in an age before social media, MCU movie blockbusters, and the smartphone... When the various themes harkened back to stories that were common to childhoods of multiple previous generations. Lego has to think about it's future and the next generations of Lego Fans, these classic themes are the last vestiges of a common childhood that has not been corrupted by TikTok and the iPhone. Is it sad that Space, Wild West, Pirates are disappearing? Yes, but Lego cannot remain stagnant in it's themes just to placate the AFOL's who grew up with these themes 20 years ago.

[@OurToyWorld]

I mean that's fair, but almost all of LEGO's recent attempts to create lines that target iPad obsessed kids have failed. Hidden side... rip. Parents aren't buying their kids LEGO for them to just download another app, they're buying kids LEGO for them to get off the iPad. Give us a decent Castle theme, none of this download this app bs, and it will do well.

[@ramblingimbecile2295]

I don't want to buy my kids yet another licenced Lego product. The beauty of Lego was that it had it's own identity and themes like Castle, Space, Pirates, etc. Making everything a movie tie in just increases the price and takes Lego further away from what it set out to be. The point is to get children to imagine their own adventures, not to replay events from "Current Year Movie 2"

[@ramblingimbecile2295]

​@@OurToyWorld I guess pirates and medieval knights are too problematic for Lego these days. Too much warfare involved and Lego doesn't want to associate itself with toxic masculinity like that unless it's attached to a multimillion dollar movie franchise.

[@mauritsponnette]

Hi, interesting video! I just wanted to share that the script flashing by on screen is quite straining for the eye. It's usually only used to emphasize the most important word or sentence of the script. For me, I would prefer more in depth images of the different sets and subtitles along it over the flashing text. Good day!

[@OurToyWorld]

Thanks for the support Maurits! I’ve taken a lot of these suggestions into account and have changed up my editing style beginning with the video I uploaded yesterday. Would love to hear your thoughts on my new style!

[@mauritsponnette]

@@OurToyWorld just after commenting here, I saw a short from you and the text works better there! Anyway, I enjoy your content, keep it up!

[@paladinwiggles7896]

Hot take: There a LOT of creator sets released each year; and unfortunately for castle, pirates & Space they are sort of fighting for the same place as LotR/Harry Potter, Pirates of the Carribean and Star Wars within Legos setup of themes. So my suggestion is this: Every year dedicate a certain amount of creator sets to the classic themes of Castle, Pirates & Space. Maybe 3 sets each? (based on how many creator sets are released each year. Apparently 900+ sets are released annually across all themes, not sure how many of those are creator). This would grant 9 builds (3 for each box) for each theme but shouldn't overly compete with the big names like Star Wars or Harry Potter.

[@ClassicStudStudios]

If Lego had to make another 3N1 castle set I would have them make a set combining Wolf pack renegades ( the blue wagon ) and skeleton surprise, the set has a skeleton,Lion knight,Two Wolfpack thieves

[@Marco1973est]

Interesting POV. As long as they don’t mess with Classic Space.

[@OurToyWorld]

What do you mean by messing with Classic Space? Does that mean you are in favor of a reboot or you'd rather have the property be left alone?

[@Marco1973est]

@@OurToyWorld If they did anything, reboot as they did with Galaxy Explorer. Or leave the property alone. What I wouldn't want is, what you described that they did to Castle & Pirates. No way - 🚫 However, in speaking with diff peep @Lego stores - sounds to me like Classic Explorer sells, but not as much as other sets......So maybe there isn't as much interest in Classic Space, tho - it's my fave.

[@OurToyWorld]

@@Marco1973est I saw the Classic Explorer on Walmart's website for $75 not too long ago. I think the problem is that LEGO is shoving the blue OG space theme down our throats. Don't get me wrong, OG Classic Space is cool, but fans want more than that lmao. There's so much more to space than the blue spaceship which has been rebooted twice in the last 9 years with Benny's spaceship and the 90th anniversary set last August. Blacktron cruiser is a step in the right direction

[@trafficface]

Perhaps instead creator I a safe ring fence to try castle or pirates and if they sell well then a reboot would be considered… that’s what I’d do

[@elpiuvros]

It's not Creator's fault. It's the licensed themes that killed the original ones. Lego Star Wars showed them that customers would pay more money on toys relating on preexisting content than original designs without storyline. They just had to replicate what's shown in the movies. Less work, more money.

[@kristof2997]

As i remember there is a new them of castle every decade. Crossing my fingers very hard for a elf or black falcon theme!

[@OurToyWorld]

Absolutely. After the 2013 theme came out, I promised my then 11 year old self I’d buy myself the entire next Castle theme that came out. And then I waited. And waited. And am still waiting. It’s despicable.

[@Great-History-Tv-1912]

i agree i really hope lego get back to lego castle especialy from 2009-2013

[@OurToyWorld]

They released some banger sets between those years, that's for sure

[@Old_Man_Miku]

So Lego canceling Castle, and then releasing an unrelated medieval set 8 years later is linked? Lego very obviously isn't absorbing their classic themes into the Creator line, they're using the creator line to test the waters. It's just safer for them to do that with the creator line, rather than create a whole new theme. It seems like the castle just didn't do well enough for them to justify making an entire theme. Another issue with these classic themes is that really only adults care about them. They aren't marketing to people who read up about all the new sets that come out before they release, they're marketing to the children. And most children will see a set on shelves and ask their parents for it. Getting upset that a children's toy company is making toys for children and not adults is just silly.

[@themanwhowouldbebrick]

I would say, the real thing that killed lego’s classic themes were ninjago, and licensed themes.

[@justinmsc5]

The choice was never Creator or Classic reboot. It was Creator or nothing. Companies don't create unprofitable products or repeat failures. Fans didn't show up for Blacksmith or Barracuda Bay. Kids weren't interested and adults bought small numbers. Lego didn't kill the themes, consumers did. I'm just glad they actually release these one off classic sets. At least I can buy 4 of them and do some custom builds, and order dozens of army building figures from Bricks and Pieces. Without these sets, the Lego medieval Renaissance would have never happened. It's kinda sad that the price of many of the collectible minifigure series knights have gone through the roof since options are so limited, but the community would have never gone on a medieval binge if not for that Creator 3-in-1 castle set.