How Crunchyroll RUINED a $200,000,000 anime

[@zaro1035]

By the way, shikanoko is on youtube for free the first three episodes are up for free and the rest are uploaded only for a week then deleted

[@kleszczoros4885]

Yep and their subtitles seem good

[@paleflame]

There are more than 3 episodes for free up on... another site.

[@somebody2768]

The channel MyAnime uploads all the episodes for free albeit a 1-week delay.

[@Chokun-Gaming]

​@@kleszczoros4885 although they do forget the occasional space between words

[@crocidile90]

​@@Chokun-Gaming which is FAR more excusable than what ever Crunchyroll is doing

[@Username1-d8v]

Crunchyroll already screwed up the Miku expo, and now this series💀

[@osmosis_ghost3722]

This is why we need to topple Crunchyroll and get everyone who actually cares about the market to stop relying on them. With them first being in the market via pirate streaming, I would assume they would know that to keep people, you have to provide a quality product. They used to back in the early days, but they don't anymore.

[@enriquejoseantequerasanche6180]

They have been screwing up animes for years, they just became so power-drunk people are starting to notice.

[@Mr.Brothybear]

What happened in the Expo?

[@demonrosario5398]

​@@Mr.Brothybearmiku was a flat screen tv

[@bryant.3109]

They also fucked up Ex-arms and Princess Connect EN. All they care is quick cash and dump when they fail.

[@shijimuh]

Seriously, why don't Japanese animation industries just make their own streaming platforms and stop relying on western million-dollar wackjobs that take their work and passion for granted. This needs to STOP.

[@GameFuMaster]

TBH, it's because Japanese has a way to deprioritizing software. Think about how outdated their administration systems are, i.e. still using a lot of paperwork, and rarely being able to set up appointments online

[@Whateverfloatsurboat2]

The last thing we need is even more subscription services

[@SeaDog1667-1st]

Do you know how much animation studios are in Japan? It's a similar answer to "how many third-party animation studios are in English-speaking countries: too many to count.😵‍💫

[@odorikakeru]

@@shijimuh Are you forgetting that Crunchyroll is Japanese-owned now? Some of the bad quality and bad choices we’re seeing being made are the result of decisions made in Tokyo and then passed down to the American subordinates.

[@ThisPyro]

Ah yes, Sony, the western million dollar wackjob.

[@FinalKey]

I quit Crunchy years ago. They're a leech on the market of anime.

[@briefsize11]

its a shame most of the anime i want to watch are locked behind the gates of orange

[@Doggysaregood-n3w]

@@briefsize11go go gadget pirating

[@Aru_im]

@@briefsize11 not if you sail in the high seas

[@hecorter3834]

@@briefsize11 come with me brother! lets embrace luffy's ideals!

[@chrismiller5940]

I finally ditched them and easily found plenty of alternatives that even stream titles not streamed on subscription platforms.

[@gimmeklik1632]

thats why i dont use crunchyroll and pirate

[@freedomclub2285]

Valid

[@WellWellWelt]

🏴‍☠ 🗿🍷

[@shirimotoshirimoto2137]

isnt most pirate subbed by crunchyroll too?

[@BobTheSlob-43]

@@shirimotoshirimoto2137 doesn't change that piracy is better tho

[@setra_45]

sameeeee

[@Ferrivia]

crunchyroll should unironically be put in their fucking place. i never used a service more garbage then theirs, like damn it was a pirate site, and only got to this point bcuz of the people using it.

[@citizenspaghetti]

Imagine that a pirate site that didn't earn the owners any money outside of running trashy ads deciding that creating a multimillion dollar business was a smart move lmao.

[@Orthien]

As much as I dislike CR and that dislike is growing the more Japanese Im learning, I still prefer it to HiDive. I really want Hidive to be better since we need someone to challenge CR, but everything in HDs layout and UI is garbage, unintuitive and recently made even worse. In the end im sure HiDive will be brought by CR like everyone else and I really should take to the seas more like everyone is recommending here.

[@Ferrivia]

@@Orthien yeah, never heard about hidive, but honestly i don't think there's a actual legitimate convenient way to watch anime in the west atm (idk about japan tho), and unless someone makes a service that's as convenient and intuitive as like 9anime it will probably stay that way

[@RazReviews]

You obviously haven't used Hidive. There has never been a worse streaming website.

[@crystalbepsis]

It's the Metallica of anime

[@obits3]

Using the English dub script instead of translated Japanese… that’s a huge issue.

[@AndreasNicklasson]

Reminds me of when a bunch of funimation titles were released in box sets over here. Dubs not included, but all the subtitles were translated from the English dub script.

[@Kaiserboo1871]

Ehhh… 90-99% of the time it’s wrong. But there are instances where using a direct translation would be a bad idea. Sometimes the direct translation sounds… awkward. Have you ever listened to a foreign song that is translated 1 to 1 in English. It sounds… wrong.

[@lucasljs1545]

@@Kaiserboo1871 "But there are instances where using a direct translation would be a bad idea. Sometimes the direct translation sounds… awkward. " That's because you are ignorant. 99% of anime until 2015 was translated literally by fansubs. Only when ignorant people like you started to encroach their disgusting selves into the space that it started to deteriorate. "muuh it sounds wrong!" You having permission to talk also sounds wrong.

[@milesprower6110]

​@@Kaiserboo1871bruh, it's called a translation, not "change to a more fitting timing even if it changes the whole meaning" script... You can get this "issue" anywhere because not all languages will sound similar when translated but that doesn't mean that you should change stuff for "convenience"

[@MonochromeMemories]

It happens a lot in Japanese games, unfortunately :/

[@ScooterArmory]

Crunchyroll used to have to compete with not only official anime streaming sites but also pirated sites. Now that they are the go-to site, they feel they can cut corners and don't have to try as hard

[@MonochromeMemories]

Enshitification.

[@matthewcarroll2533]

and fascists like ACE keep taking down free sharing sites.

[@ScooterArmory]

@matthewcarroll2533 I wouldn't call them fascists since they are pirated sites, but I will agree them being taken down means less competition. What we need is another streaming service for anime to give crunchyroll a run for their money.

[@ScooterArmory]

@MonochromeMemories I kind of agree. We say CR slowly declines as anime became more mainstream, and pirating sites were being taken down left and right. Then the quality completely went down once they merged with funimation. Now they have no one to complete with and thus no reason to improve.

[@whatthepick]

Indeed and aniwave and a few just died again from the kiss migration to another community

[@acupncture833]

Crunchyroll has a monopoly on the western anime market which is why they’re able to get away with so much and I don’t understand how so many ppl could still use it, it’s literal garbage

[@danielalmeida7382]

They don’t even have a monopoly tho…

[@acupncture833]

@@danielalmeida7382 Oligopoly then because that one is legal

[@e.corellius4495]

never been a better time to start sailing the high seas. the one piece is real.

[@leobastian_]

@@danielalmeida7382 You dont need 100% of the market share to be a monopoly. Just enough to control the market, generally 30% or more. Pure monopolies (90%+ market shares) dont really exist in most industries, but practical monopolies and oligopolies are fairly common.

[@truecaliber1995]

Convenience. At least, that's my reason. There's HiDIVE, but Crunchyroll offers most of the seasonal line-up, save for a few. Everything else ends up on Netflix, Hulu, HBO Max, etc, but I digress. Honestly, I wish Crunchyroll had more direct competition - I would drop my subscription in a heartbeat, if a serious alternative existed. However, now that Funimation is gone, HiDIVE and Crunchyroll are the only convenient choices left.

[@robertjaysonalcantara7016]

Shikanoko is available for free in some regions here on KZbin on the It'sAnime channel. The problem is that episode 5 onwards will only air for a week, then it will be privated until the Crunchyroll deal expires (probably).

[@are3287]

just use legally questionable sites duh

[@mr.hippopotamus9698]

It is also currently on Tubi, at least in the US.

[@Firestar-TV]

Either it isn't available where I live, or they've already deleted or privatized all of the Episodes😔

[@adhamhazwan231]

Any recommendations?​@@are3287

[@skaldlouiscyphre2453]

@@Firestar-TV Last I checked it's still available on animension.

[@markpaulpangan7618]

"Girl power" wtf is wrong with them???

[@night_fiend6]

Especially since "Ganbatero" translates as "do your best" or "you can do it".

[@beanjams4071]

in the title it uses the dollars when in reality it only earned that amount in yen which is much less valuable.

[@striderreborn1467]

You're not wrong. I get paid to watch English Dub Anime for a Review website and they don't always bother to translate when it's necessary for certain scenes involving Subs such as characters exchanging text messages, signs in the scenery, or differernt languages spoken outside of english. (For instance, certain characters in Golden Kamuy are capable of speaking in Russian and despite the Dub having characters accurately speak it, it's not English subbed for anyone to understand. You'd have to turn on the sub with the Dub just to fill in those particular story gaps.)

[@expertarcher8542]

The thing I hate the most is when Crunchyroll doesn’t even translate parts that are 100% necessary to the story. My mind immediately goes to Kimi no na wa (your name). The entire anime is ruined because they didn’t add 1 box of text.

[@MrSuburbanable]

The multilingual communication is relatively common in that series too. Happens with a lot of the Ainu language. Was pretty tedious having to rewind and turn on subs multiple times.

[@nyoob8790]

another justification for piracy - this just happens less with fansubs, which is very sad to say. Literally every platform nowadays just screams "pirate my content instead - it's better over there". Especially netflix with their DRM forcing you to use a specific browser with a specific monitor, HDMI cable & CPU in order to watch in 4K. Or forcing you to own a SmartTV that spies on you instead of just letting you watch high resolution on any TV.

[@leobastian_]

most piracy sites use official subs over fansubs though. that might change if crunchyroll subs become consistently shitty, but thats not really the case. Most of them are perfectly fine in quality its just the outliers like this. that and fan translators usually focus on untranslated works over ones that already have official translations. so there simply arent that many fansubs for officially translated works piracy doesnt really solve this problem.

[@RedXlV]

Ironically, Crunchyroll started out as a piracy outlet.

[@Hans-Yolo]

For German Fansubs, CR just gave some of the best Fagsubbers a job offering and many took it so the german Fansubber scene is dead dead. You can even recognize sometimes who made the sub for a show because of the wording in the sub.

[@Lee-zn7lj]

It made ¥200,000,000 (according to the graphic in your video) not $200M which with the current exchange rate of exchange rate is ¥144.84:$1 atm is $1.388M. That's not to say Crunchyroll doesn't suck, because they do. But your math is way way off.

[@theforkedman3030]

Crunchyroll is actively killing anime in the west.

[@FraudGuruExpert.]

woke west.

[@RaiJolt2]

@@FraudGuruExpert.nothing woke about greedy business’s trying to squeeze competitors out of the market, raising prices and removing features to save costs, and appeal only to shareholders. It’s called “normal companies who only listening to their shareholders” activities.

[@aztozmine]

crunchyroll whole company is a joke

[@kazimelon999]

That's why I watching Shikanoko on YT channel It's Anime

[@ivanj46]

When I watched the first episode it still had the same problem with the subs. Did it improve in the later episodes?

[@prof.laytonfan764]

I watched it on Amazon Prime and the subtitles were fine

[@odorikakeru]

1:35 Is that a mistranslation? If it’s for an American audience, and Crunchyroll is assuming that Americans are too stupid to understand standard units, then translating 12℃ to 53.6°F is not unacceptable (just confusing for… every other country on the planet). I’m more offended that they used a lower-case “f”, which is incorrect.

[@antoniolopez1135]

I mean maybe? But if that’s the case why haven’t they done it for other anime’s? And why don’t they convert money when talking about Yen to USD? I’d rather them just leave it in °C and I’ll look up the °F

[@BlueBlazeKing]

Honestly just put a conversion note like keikaku means plan

[@odorikakeru]

@@antoniolopez1135 Different translators have different priorities, I guess, not to mention preferences. Leaving it in Celsius/Centigrade is a valid choice for the translation, but so is converting it to the scale used by the target audience (in the end, the goal is for subtitles to be as unobtrusive as possible, the viewer should be able to read the subtitles quickly, understand them quickly, and then look at to the main video quickly to focus on what’s actually happening on screen, and different translators will try to achieve this in different ways). I don’t have a natural “feeling” for Fahrenheit, having not grown up with it, so “50-something °F” has no real meaning for me, but that means I can understand how the same is true for ℃ for some people - and the number of people who need to pause the video to look something up should always be the minority, or the subtitles aren’t doing their job. Personally I am with you on wanting ℃ in the subtitles, but I don’t think I was the intended audience the translator was thinking of when they wrote this. And, as I wrote elsewhere, I don’t even get English subtitles for this show where I am, so I have to make do without them.

[@odorikakeru]

@@BlueBlazeKing I’m old enough to remember when you would get a booklet in the VHS case explaining all the in-jokes and cultural references you would otherwise need to be Japanese to get. I miss those days.

[@MsTatakai]

@@odorikakeru Fansubbers used to do that ! like gintama had a lot of jokes only for japanese culture and in fact after understanding it is pretty funny XD

[@electricalman481]

$1,385,358.15. Your title is clickbait

[@lorenzmaut3708]

The main thing is that they started the transmission in May, they never did any marketing, and the subtitles are messed up, wrong, if you watch the anime with spanish subtitles they are far better, it's just that they made a poor dub and they try to hide it by keeping the same awful lines as the english dub.

[@franksantos2439]

wait, even the spanish version is bad? usually spanish/latin dubbers are great, many jap seiyus respect a lot to latin dubbers.

[@christophec6201]

DDDD ending song is so great. Specially when Ano and Lilas did the first take.

[@mythicalskeleton1546]

I hate CR for many reasons the main reasons are basically becoming a monopoly, letting anime get lost to time, messy translations, terrible dubs and not even picking up anime that would've got an official release before they ate funimation like girls band cry or an adaptation of a popular gacha game blue archive. Many, many times, having workers hate the medium they work with, including the fans who literally pay them.

[@snintendog]

TLDR Crunchyroll Screwed up a 19 episode show. By 1. Not marketing it at all, 2. Making EP 1 Separate and having 2 3 hour cut together movies from the rest of the 18 episodes. 3. Not subtitling it correctly at at all. Yes i blame ALL three on Crunchy. nah instead they are waffling about their comments and how their DARLING BL series isnt loved by everyone.(Worst BL i have ever seen BTW subpar and very unlikable duo.) Crunchyroll is a blight.

[@Laciethemisfortune]

twilight out of focus?

[@alfonsoleeurielcastro2764]

this is why we sail the waves on aniwave

[@Animegypsy]

(Goes to Google "aniwave".

[@Blaze_1379]

the more i look at the internet the more im starting to believe piracy is unironically a cult thats indoctrinating people

[@mantlechannel1390]

ANOTHER ANIWAVE GOAT

[@danielalmeida7382]

Aniwave just uses Crunchyroll subs anyways…

[@mantlechannel1390]

@@danielalmeida7382 and for absolutely free and little to no ads during the anime, and the dubs are all free

[@adamhallgat3298]

Once I saw a video about how translators are changing the subtitles just to include their own propaganda. That would explain how "Lets do it" becomes "girl power".

[@xenai.]

That would suck, I don't mind when translators add their own jokes or words in manga, because they can usually add it around in places that doesn't take it away from the original experience, like an extra page at the end. But that doesn't work for anime, and I'd rather see the original thing, or at least as close as possible. (I know Japanese can't be directly translated to English)

[@zeppie_]

The anime openly adresses the failures of capitalism and war, and you're worried about them "adding politics"?

[@jaideepshekhar4621]

​@@zeppie_ Where is capitalism mentioned at all in the sub huh?

[@chaserseven2886]

how is that an "agenda"

[@jaideepshekhar4621]

@@chaserseven2886 Because they are maliciously changing the dialogues to suit their agenda. Instead of doing what they are supposed to do.

[@killerexe007]

5:54 I unironically miss translator notes, they were great

[@UrabeLover]

Bro.. i remember those early 2000 translator notes explaining jokes lost in the translation and adding context, when people really love and cared about good subs, take me back to those good days...

[@Xeu1nox]

Not $200 Million but ¥200 Million. That translates into $13,85,377. Get your Numbers right!

[@SeaDog1667-1st]

"$13,85,377"🤨

[@JackdotC]

Sorry but, are you sure your numbers are right? bc I'm pretty sure most numbers don't look like that

[@seraphiusNoctis]

Who needs currency conversion when you’ve got rage bait. 🤷

[@TAZOR-h3m]

You're number aren't right either

[@IlanSaysHi]

@@JackdotCit’s the way we write numbers in India (idk about other places) the names of the digits are ones, tens, hundreds, thousands, ten thousands, lakhs, ten lakhs, crores, etc. The international one is more used obviously, but that does not make it wrong.

[@rogue_frown1920]

I think one of the biggest causes of these problems is Crunchyroll doing everything for profit and is taking shortcuts so they don't have to spend as much money similar to food brands changing their ingredients to cheaper ones just to get a profit. They have got to know that these shortcuts won't just go unnoticed and that it just makes their company look bad. Ive never understood entertainment companies not listening to the people who consume their product and then wonder why it failed.

[@Olliethecatboi]

Ahh Crunchyroll... The death of me T^T

[@BananaHoardX]

At this point, using crunchyroll hurts anime more than pirating.

[@night_fiend6]

Pirating is preservation. If anime releases in Japan were not so over priced and studio workers were paid properly then it would be in better shape.

[@lucasljs1545]

Pirating never hurt anime. It is literally because of piracy that anime went outside of japan. "piracy" is not a crime, it is only a crime against the (((rich))). Do you think google pays royalties for artists that they put their songs on KZbin Music? Of course not. It is only (((piracy))) when some company isn't making money off it. Piracy is anime, anime is piracy, that is the truth. No one would even know anime existed on the West if it wasn't piracy. Even famous ones like Dragon Ball were only brought because of FANS ASKING after watching it pirated.

[@Eddman368]

Still waiting for Tanya the Evil Movie to get a western release, I saw it once in theaters years ago and I heard no news of anything since.

[@Myuutantobasuta]

It's on Crunchyroll, it just never got dubbed

[@H1NOmega]

​@@MyuutantobasutaDIE doesn't approved it lol

[@necronixgravedigger7455]

Honestly... Between all the bs surrounding localizations and price to pay for these platforms... It just feels like they invite piracy

[@chaserseven2886]

ha lol go cry

[@necronixgravedigger7455]

@@chaserseven2886 for your sake, I hope one of your favorite series' is never cancelled...

[@qiube8444]

Well, that's why here, in Poland about 90% of translated anime comes from independed anime groups that translate anime. Are we do it illegal? Yes, but without these we won't have this many choise anime to watch. (+ it's free to watch, it have better quality of anime and quality of translation itself)

[@melissaleigh8019]

This is clickbait, the $ isnt the same as the yen sign

[@FraudGuruExpert.]

you work from crunchy roll without saying you work their. or just a dumb fanatic.

[@otakubullfrog1665]

The sad part is that Crunchyroll is probably going to continue to get away with everything they're doing until all the pirate sites somehow create apps for every piece of hardware there is.

[@famitronic9870]

I found DDD on Crunchyroll and was stunned at how good it was and how incredible the animation and overall quality of the show was. I hadn’t heard of it before finding it on Crunchyroll and deciding to watch it on a whim. I assumed it was an older series due to the fact I wasn’t hearing anything about this series online despite the fact it blows everything else this season away in my opinion. That’s how bad Crunchyroll and marketing has been for this.

[@darkbidoof]

Not to come to Crunchyroll’s defence, but this video misses the fact that there’s two types of subtitles on Crunchyroll - subtitles done in house, and those provided by the licensor. The easiest way to differentiate between the two is that the subtitle font is different, and in house subs also have typesetting. In the case of Nokotan and DDD, both the subtitles and dubs were provided by the licensor, so for DDD you have you have Ocean Productions to blame for the poor viewing experience as they were contracted by the licensor to dub and sub it (or dubtitle in this case). CR just has to use what they’re provided with.

[@night_fiend6]

DDD has references to communism that are not in the Japanese dialogue.

[@zeppie_]

@night_fiend6 The anime openly adresses the failures of capitalism and war, and you're worried about it talking about communism?

[@night_fiend6]

@@zeppie_ The Japanese doesn't mention Capitalism either. It is obviously a politically motivated localisation as is increasingly common these days.

[@chaserseven2886]

@@night_fiend6 just admit you love capitalisms and move on

[@night_fiend6]

@@chaserseven2886 Capitalism is good, and you suck. Communism is the definition of failure.

[@Dtitilator]

Another screwup CR did with Shikanoko was showing their episodes 3 days after broadcast. Despite this, they still didn't get the subtitles correct, even though they had plenty of time to fine-tune it.

[@night_fiend6]

Shokono Nokonko Koshitan was actually AI translated, and it is better than what localisers are doing. As for DDD, the subtitles are also a problem because localisers inserted their own politics into it. It isn't the only anime this season ruined by localisation, 2.5 Dimensional Seduction was too. Good fansubs are the best way to experience anime short of learning Japanese. Shikonoko Nokonko Koshitan has two release groups doing fan subs with lots of effort put into translation and formating, so releases usually take a week or two after air date. I am hoping that DDD and 2.5DS get good fansubs too.

[@TheShadowivan]

I'm sorry, but "Ai" translation is garbage. You can hate on the translators all you want, but nowadays there is a lot of gropus that just use MTLs and they are just as bad, if not worse.

[@night_fiend6]

@@TheShadowivan Better than wokalisers. Good fansubs take a long time. The Shikonoko Nokonoko Koshitan fansub takes about three weeks or more.

[@TheShadowivan]

@@night_fiend6 No they're not, sorry. Yes, good fansubs take a lot of time. However, due to the fact that most people are acustomued to waiting two days max to get their stuff due to simulcast, most fansubs nowadays are more concerned about speed and use MTLs or AI. Fuck, there are a lot of people who share your opinion about "wokalizers" and just use MTL to get a more accurate translation, according to them. That's bullshit. Sorry, bad bad quality should not be fighted with bad quality just because you throw a hissy fit if you see Z-Gen slang in an anime. We are not in the aughts anymore. The playing field has changed fundamentally too much and anime is not consumed the same manner it was 10 years ago. If its not clear, i don't like the state that official English releases of animanga stuff is in, but i refuse to get into culture war bullshit and spend all my day getting mad in social media.

[@night_fiend6]

@@TheShadowivan Not being involved is just allowing anime to continue to be ruined by activists. AI is a stopgap, not the solution. There is such a large backlog of great anime with good fansubs that I can wait. When I finally get good enough at Japanese I won't need them, but I might learn how to do subs just because.

[@TheShadowivan]

@@night_fiend6 Ai is not a stopgap, is a scam that is being sold to corporations because is cheaper that hiring a translator and the people in charge does not give a fuck if the quality is good or not, especially since in America there is not that many companies involved in bringing animanga, thus no real competition. If you are okay with a bad translation just because it was a machine that did it and not someone with pronouns in their Twitter bio, i'm sorry, but you are too lost in the sauce. The solution would be either demand better translation without involving cultural wars, that way the excuse of "chuds are mad" is no longer valid, or as you say, just learn Japanese. And i say this because in my country, Spain, we have good translations and nothing is censored, so seeing the state of English translation compared to my country's is quite telling.

[@Armoredcompany]

Localizers had been a horrible problem in the anime community for decades now, this shouldn't be a surprise to anyone. Remember when they blatantly changed the lines in Mrs. Kobayashi's Dragon Maid it inject feminist politics that weren't part of the original show because the localizer was a rabid feminist?

[@PLAYER42_ready]

I think saw that nokotan uses AI generated subs and honestly? I’d prefer those over some translator forcing in their own beliefs like they did in dragon maid

[@amanosatoshitranslates]

ai subs make timing for fansubs who actually enjoys the show. that's a good one tho

[@amanosatoshitranslates]

​@sariling_multo anime subs are more harsh on accuracy because of fansubs existence but dubs? no regulation. i accidently opened re zero with dub and it have zero charm from sub.

[@corycianangel6321]

It’s not actually AI-gen subs, just poor QA. But I do agree that those localizers that deliberately mess with the translations for their own gain are jerks.

[@Lowlightt]

@@SimonWoodburyForget They aren't auto generated subs though. They are AI deep learning generated. Which is the case with the anime he is talking about. They are being developed by a japanese company and they are in there early stages. They are being used to transalate animes and mangas for simulcast .

[@Lowlightt]

@SimonWoodburyForget Which isn't the case in this example. It actually is deep learning ai. Not just a simple program that we refer to as AI.

[@TheRealSpiderMew]

Fan subs are better than Crunchyroll now these days.

[@danielalmeida7382]

Well, there are barely any fansubs nowadays, no wonder most pirate sites just use Crunchyroll subs

[@Natsukashii-Records]

I don't get why people still watch stuff from Crunchy, just pirate anime and buy the JP versions of stuff if you wish to support your favorite series once in a while. That's a billion times better than giving money to that corporate excrement and will ensure your money goes to the people creating the stuff you enjoy rather than CR that's out to ruin it.

[@thealtpandapng]

I think it’s because it’s hard to find good pirate sites. No one names pirate sites online because that’s how they get taken down and a lot of people are worried about downloading viruses from pirate sites. It’s just easier to use crunchyroll instead even if they suck.

[@igorthelight]

People value convenience more that ANYTHING ;-)

[@danielalmeida7382]

Be careful from what series you buy merch from. Because even if you buy from Japan, your money might still be going to Crunchyroll if you buy merch from a series that Crunchyroll helped produce.

[@donatoclemente4421]

I usually don't care about the quality of subs, so the lack of marketing is the biggest failure here in my opinion. Had 0 clue this existed.

[@xenai.]

Yeah same

[@bladeslayer1089]

Personally i have watched 12 episodes of ddd but planning to drop it because i feel no connection with any characters

[@SimonWoodburyForget]

DDD is boring as hell to me as well. I watched a couple episodes and I can tell right from the start that the story itself is a masterpiece. I forced myself to watch 3 episode, but felt nothing for literally... any of the characters... I could not tell you why exactly, but the characters and the way they interact and the way the story is developed is just not interesting.

[@marktheshark5733]

So many pirate sites that are more passionate about the anime’s actually translate it correctly

[@ED-ww6vz]

Fr though, I litteraly can't even find the movie of DDDD in the internet

[@jamiesadf5829]

Crunchyroll isn't responsible for the translation, dubbing, or subtitling of D4. These were outsourced by the original production company, which is why english translations of text are cooked into the video itself. In addition, it gets better over the course of the series. The subtitles are the worst over the course of the first 2 episodes, including an entire part that isn't translated. Crunchyroll IS responsible for cutting the series up into episodes instead of movies, but thats it. Their miss with Shikonoko was releasing it several days after the actual air date initially. It encouraged pirating and fan-subbing in opposition to watching it legally.

[@Momoyue]

Crunchyroll's terrible subtitles have turned me off on watching any animes they have and that stinks because they basically have a monopoly on anime now. The subtitles have so many mistakes! From spelling errors, wrong grammar, missing capitalization, insertion of too many slang terms, and just straight up made up lines to ruin the original story. At this point, I would take AI generated subs over Crunchyroll's.

[@whyjnot420]

Just remember, they got their start streaming while flying the Jolly Roger high. Not just putting out fansubs or rips for no profit, but actually starting a streaming service while sailing the seas. Say what you will about the former, but what Crunchyroll did back in the day was straight up BS. Everyone that looked at them for half a second knew it was going to quickly bite them. People who thought about them for a little longer once they started licensing stuff wondered how sincere they were. Obviously they have shown that they care as much now as they did at the beginning. That is to say, not at all.

[@Anime-sy2tw]

All these arguments seem valid, but it still doesn’t explain, why it is not popular in Japan. There is no Crunchyroll in Japan, and the English translation is not an issue. Why it is not high in charts? Or it is?

[@IMissBionix]

The episodic version of DeDeDeDe hasn't been released in Japan yet. It wouldn't be on any of their seasonal charts. They only have the two movies. There's so much new material in the series cut that they're undoubtedly going to get it, but only after the rights holders have milked every yen out of the film version. Which is part of the problem. The show launched internationally midway through the spring season because it coincided with the second film's release in Japan. The TV cut was announced just days before it was released, presumably so it didn't undermine the Japanese boxoffice. However, that meant it wasn't part of the new season hype. It also meant that there was no weekly Japanese promo campaign to piggy back off of, as movie ads usually vanish off after the first 2 weeks unless it's a big hit. It being the second film meant the promo campaign was likely smaller anyway. Your argument isn't wrong, though, because DeDeDeDe wasn't a big hit in Japan. The first movie grossed 200 million yen, which is the equivalent to $1.3 million USD. That really isn't a lot of money for a movie. It doesn't seem to be a big hit in any other language either. It's only the English subtitled version that used the dub's captions. Everywhere else had a proper translation from the Japanese script from episode 0. Is DeDeDeDe more popular in those other languages? It doesn't seem like it. If anything, the botched rollout seems to have made it slightly more notable in the English world. Which sucks, because the show deserves to be known on its own merit, but not everything has mass-market appeal. Ironically, neither of these were Crunchyroll's fault. The dub and sub were provided by the Japanese rights holder, who presumably are the ones who also decided on the release pattern. The only thing you can blame them for is the zero international promo, but some of that might also be due to the Japanese rights holders.

[@brandonriver560]

The pirate page where I saw DDD made a better job that Crunchyroll

[@SirAntelope]

NANI!?!? KING DEDEDE?!?!!?! (swallows a sword) SHINEII!!! (cringe, but goated? reference)

[@Botan_Katou]

Crunchyroll went to shit when Shinji sold out to become a legit streaming site.

[@Endymion766]

the subtitles are scuffed but it didnt prevent me from really enjoying the anime. Scuffed AI translations are better than California localizers shoving woke American references into casual Japanese conversations anyway.

[@LulzItsForge]

The biggest sin Crunchyroll has commited is killing off the massive fansub communities. It's was infinitely more consistent and having translator notes for reference mid scene were great.

[@kidkrypton6286]

I think Dead Dead Demons Dededede Destruction isn't that popular in the West is just because people don't feel like being preached to by two weird looking anime characters about how bad humanity is

[@midnitestate]

considering some of the themes of pun pun, I'm not surpized. I herd he wrote this after pun pun to help him continue to recover from depresstion he was going through while writing pun pun. So he still had some angist to get out of his system. I'll maybe check this out when i get the time but if its too depressing like pun pun ill pass lol

[@introvert_irl]

My friend dropped it after 12episodes since they were just yapping all the way..he says

[@gilgameshlfx7006]

As a Type-Moon fan, DDD carries a very, VERY different meaning.

[@mandrakeking]

Oh no, the subtitles were a little off. I guess we gotta kill off the whole show. Dededede didn't catch on because it's just weird. The best way I can describe it is that the tone is deliberately condused & Episode 0 sets expectations that don't actually line up with how the first half of the show presents itself, but set up "aha" moments when elements line up. Noko-tan just ran out of steam really quickly. Once the novelty wore off, it's didn't seem to actually have much going for it

[@dcscruz2970]

Sad cause oyasumi pun pun is really good

[@retiredaccount6032]

I think episode 0 should be in its own separate vacuum because it kind of changes the perspective on the entire series and is an adaptation of one of the last chapters iirc. Aside from that, the anime has been great so far IMO

[@asakayosapro]

I remember the time when some 'localizers' were so unapologetically proud of 'butchering anime subtitles' with their ideology injections... and nopt long after, were fired and eliminated, replaced by AI subtitle generation. And deservedly so. But alas, one of the side effects is subtitle accuracy being butchered as well. Its a real shame.. finally, remember Crunchyroll's roots. They were just like any other group oir site that distributed anime on the down low, but like f4kku, went official and THEN SOLD OUT. Real shame.

[@heerosefffinchannel5387]

Yarrrr matey 🏴‍☠️🦜🦜

[@endofdraco9191]

I like how people complain about dubs, but then you get screwed up subs... I prefer dubs anyways.

[@vertyisprobablydead]

Why would you say "comment if you're a dub watcher" the only people who watch dubs are 7 year olds who can't read fast enough.

[@HivelordTempura]

lowkey the only time I DO watch dub is if its really good to watch it over sub lowkey

[@issacishy]

ghost stories dub is kinda fire tbh

[@tp_exe]

Dub only if the DUBS ARE GOOD forexample Death Note

[@ExMedal]

That is a very opinionated view sir, I for one enjoy dubs and find subs frustrating Ok it’s true I have dyslexia but even so I like dubs more than subs

[@ma.2089]

You must not watch much anime

[@itsjustaclint8404]

Dead Dead Dead Demon Demon Dededede Destruction is literally one of my all time favorite mangas ever. I had a blast because growing up it's messed up finding out the things in reality around me. I was hyped only to be disappointed about the most annoying subs and dubs as well. It's better off learning Japanese. The weird formatting of DDD is made on purpose but tragically they didn't do any jackhell about marketing. They could had done A BLOODY ARG like holy God it's a tragedy there's a lot fun things they could had done for it but they didn't. I am disappointed ever in this: no merch only crickets.

[@misellus3931]

its the same shit netflix did with edgerunners, they just took the english dub and transcribed it over the original japanese dub, it was fucking infuriating. the only reason i could still watch it is because of my veteran weebness shining through and picking up what theyre actually saying through context despite not knowing any japanese

[@zalorrero75]

4:51 is this you, Marinette Dupin Chang?

[@averageds3player699]

I was looking forward to this anime before it aired and I literally heard nothing about it, I didn't even know that the first episode came out when it did, you look up this anime on youtube and you find single digit new video

[@lxarchives5482]

That level of subtitle sloppiness wouldn't even be acceptable amongst fansubbers before Crunchyroll was a thing, let alone an official release. Only C or D tier fansubbers had mistakes that obvious, but they released quickly and translated by "ear". If the fansubbers got access to the script so they could translate before it aired, it would have been a totally different story. SURELY an official entity like Crunchyroll gets the scripts BEFORE IT AIRS?? That was the only way to defeat the fansubbers, and Crunchyroll did so and succeeded... but now that translation has fallen well below the standard, even crappier than the groups that competed against one another to release the best possible FREE product, just because they were fans of the product.

[@ponczos_2293]

You know what I REMEMBER? That they kept lying to the influencers and fans that watching the free version of Crunchyroll supports anime industry...even though their financial input was like a drop in a sea compared to the annual financial report on the industry (more than a billion dollar) and ppl somehow believed it until CR became the monopoly and only then people realised how much bullshit it is worth it. I remember this going from 2016 btw

[@taylorglover4416]

That’s misinformation on Shikanoko. Those subtitles were shared with Prime Video. There were accusations against THE ACTUAL DISTRIBUTOR, REMOW(!), regarding AI usage that ended up being debunked. It’s just pure incompetence on REMOW’s part. Crunchyroll had nothing to do with that. REMOW eventually fixed the subtitles on Episode 1, but yeah, this mess made me reconsider watching it legally at all, first. Dead Dead Demon’s Dededede Destruction’s localization by Ocean is just a disgrace. So long in the industry, and they fucked it up that bad. I don’t know if Episode 1 was fixed…

[@nikoladragoev7485]

When damn machine translations are better than your "professional" ones, you know you've don fucked up.

[@cleotasberkley9048]

The bigger your company gets, the more it gets propped up by the other big companies in the industry, the less effort you have to put in and the harder it is for your company to fail. Eventually you can get so big that instead of delivering any kind of product you can mail your customers your used tissues and a photograph of you giving them the finger and your company will still be profitable because you've long outgrown the need to actually serve your customers. Just make sure you persecute and shut down anyone that might be doing what you're supposed to be doing, gotta keep that competition down or the industry will DIE!!

[@fenson100]

Crunchyroll ruins everything they touch.

[@kenji214245]

Crunchyroll quality been dipping a lot recently several animes lack subtitles for either both OP and ED or just one of them. Skip button is randomly available in some but not other episodes. Subtitles quality also varies a lot between shows its just a big mess making me want to find other sources to watch the anime if there was a better subbing source. *Dubs are not much better as some reviewers have pointed out along the whole woke changing agenda drama*

[@Explosion-]

WTF!!! They even speak English on that one scene but the subtitles still miss

[@SoulterrorX]

I got recommended your video and thank you for bringing attention to this. Im a huge fan of Inio Asano's manga, and I was so excited for Dedede so i could show it to my friends who dont read manga. I was really furious after watching the first few episodes because the subtitles were so bad, not only that but there is a lot of on screen text in the show like news sites and twitter feeds and none of it is translated. Thankfully my friend likes the anime regardless and the subtitles have gotten better and they did translate on screen text as the series has gone on, but its too little too late for the greater possible audience. Also the last time I checked they didnt actually fix the subtitles on the earlier episodes just made it better down the line.

[@BlissBatch]

Those subtitles are significantly worse than what ChatGPT would've generated...

[@andrerossel8394]

dont be too hard on crunchyroll this season, they put tons of effort making, twins, losers and little sisters to happen. And they fucking succeeded, what disney struggles for 20+years on they eternal quest to change the agenda, crunchyroll took a gigangit leap of advance on just one season.

[@sonicexereaper6814]

My real question to those westerners finding out about the subtitles is why are they STILL giving the rent money to Crunchyroll. Why continue to give money to company that continues to tarnish their reputation by pissing off anime fans and viewers? Do they not know that the seven seas exist, or the fact you can buy and support DVD copies from eastern regions with accurate subtitles? If they want Crunchyroll to stop pouring in more L’s, then they should make em’ learn the hard way by speaking with their wallets. 😑

[@Inkyubasu1]

The only reason I used crunchy roll was to rewatch my favorite anime mirai Nikki but now I’d have to pay and I’m not spending 8 dollars a month for one show

[@KoyomiMidori]

The Spanish subs for DeDeDeDe are great unlike the English ones.

[@X_Blake]

Informative video, but I wish this was structured better and shown that you had a problem with how they screwed over two anime instead of just one (even if the deer anime was just an example).

[@lamywater]

"It'll" is a legitimate word, and there's no problem immediately clarifying what isobeyaki is for foreign viewers. A lot of this is quibbling over tiny things, but I agree with you that there are often too many liberties taken with subs and dubs.

[@TheGrifCannon00]

Reminds me when the first episode of Gundam:Witch from Mercury dropped and the subs were 10 seconds out of sync with the show. They did eventually fix it, but it left a bad impression.

[@Piromysl359]

This is still nothing compared to what Disney+ did to Summertime Rendering, which was arguably THE best anime or 2022.

[@RaykinaBreaker]

I agree with the first 2 reason but the 3rd Marketing feel wrong since you can't explain how unlicense anime like Summertime Rendering got popular without marketing. Dead Dead Demons Dededede Destruction isn't the kind of anime that everyone will just start watch because its an awesome work. Alya, Makeine & Oshi no ko anime easily watch by people because the story has a clear target audience. ps: Don't you know that majority tend to decide rom-com anime at the top rank instead of other genre anime ignoring the quality of the work.

[@kannakun3258]

This is one of the many reasons why crunchyroll will never get another cent out of me. I really want to support anime i really enjoy, but crunchyroll is sadly just way too bad to do it through them.

[@CokeDrkrNotSnrtr]

I just started watching DDDDD about a week ago. I did find the subtitles strange (but not using crunchyroll for it because why would I) and now it makes sense that they're subtitling for the dub

[@khiemvu8510]

Princess Connect Re:Dive community forever appreciate Crunchyroll for ending service of the game in global server. A very good decision. We're still praising Crunchyroll every year for that, in fact, if you come to our subreddit, you'll see people saying good things about them even when they've turned to the Japanese server. We were so sad that Cygames decided to publish their own game, Uma Musume, themselves instead of letting Crunchyroll do it, but that's just unfortunate.

[@Yui_Tatsuya]

Yeah that decision made me leave crunchyroll. I miss the game so badly😥

[@khiemvu8510]

@@Yui_Tatsuyalet’s use the sarcastic tone, shall we?

[@Yui_Tatsuya]

@@khiemvu8510 ah right my bad. I have and always will feel like Crunchyroll made a mistake with shutting down Princess connect Re:Dive. Like they made the mistake of making almost every episode of their shows premium. I have faith in their business practices and hopes that they continue to strive to greatness. I forgive Crunchyroll with every fiber of my being😇

[@VinceTenia]

"Turns out its not the aliens who are bad, but it was human badguys all along. An intruiging premise, no?" No, and quite frankly im sick of the plot of every other scifi movie being: "Actually Humans are shit." The reason Startrek (until Kurtsman) was so popular for so long and the reason Stargate was so successful was because they bucked the overused scifi trend of "Plot twist; the Humans are evil!" Now I just want to see a $100 million TV Scifi series that's renesaince empires in space. Like a Chinese space probe discovers an alien ship burried in an asteroid, but in reponse the US goes back to the moon and discovers an alien science outpost and then the EU and Russians make independant discoveries of alien tech on Mars and suddenly all the major Earth governments are launching spaceships to colonise nearby star systems asap while those settlers are fostering revolutions being free of the watchful eyes of their overlords; like American settlers who ACTUALLY believe in the constitution, Chinese who enjoy not having bigbrother watch everything they do and Russians who dont get most of their hardwon earnings stolen buy their bosses son. All this human political intruigue while the freshly spaceflighting humans come into contact with other recently spacefaring species or highly advanced aliens who for whatever reason never figured out FTL and always the overhanging mystery of WHO left the tech the Humans copied and why?

[@Leefjuice4005]

that's why we used to pirate until they took away our pages

[@the_weeaboot8042]

"Utah Alpha Papa not responsive to our hail. Initiating preps for hard engagement, we are ready to attack." Granted that accent is THICK but it ain't hard to do.

[@Cherrycake7]

Literally just a crunchy roll problem. Following shikanoko on Amazon and it translates the temperature as 12 degrees and as C not F. While no translation between English and Japanese is going to be 100% perfect, Amazon is definitely more accurate than crunchyroll

[@darkstalkerknight63]

I am laughing how the haters was so good about the deer show being translated by A I and now we are seeing how bad of an idea that was.

[@MaverickHunterXZA]

Crunchyroll really earned their title of "Lolcowlizer". They're a chief reason why i found my way back to fansubs after years.

[@RedPandaTables]

Friendly reminder piracy is a service issue, not a money issue. If they don't care enough to make the product/service even good then why should you care about paying for it when so many alts (and frankly better) sites exist and does it for free?

[@meinacco]

Talk about false advertising. You both show and say that it is a 200M YEN anime. Yet you keep using the dollar sign in writing. ¥ isn't hard to find.

[@MegafanX123]

Me after using Tomato anime since 2022 🏴‍☠️🍷🗿

[@Cloudydarktones]

It's not just this show crunchyroll in their infinite wisdom have replaced shows that have had subs for years and switched them to what can only be called the first draft of a Google translate attempt