How DeepSeek crashed the AI party | The Vergecast

[@Flor-ian]

Wow, when I was listening to the show, and then I hear my own voicemail start after David says “lets do one more and then get out of here” I really geeked out. Thanks for hearing my VM, and much love to the whole team who puts on the Vergecast ❤

[@Flor-ian]

“You’re my best friend” from Nilay is gonna be on the tombstone

[@madhavdhilip]

Hit the nail on the head about these rich tech bros not having real friends.

[@rebokfleetfoot]

agree

[@CHIEF_420]

🧂

[@ChaosAngel209]

I demand the Snyder Uncut version of these podcasts. I can’t stop laughing with you two. Makes me week every time.

[@kukuricapica]

Deepseek is actually win story for all of us. It's OPEN so the cat is out of the bag on this one and you can run even the biggest model localy on your machine. That means a lot of companies will probably be using on-prem AIs and train they own data on it. And remember that the paper is out so that means anybody can make it better and contribute to make the model even better. I could see my company bying coupe of Nvidia digits to run our intranet A.I. for all sorts of tasks or maybe for analysing some elasticsearch data. This is big.

[@U2haveanicedayty2]

Funny you mentioned this was just comparing on Nvidia from NewEgg.5080 & 5090

[@jarrodjob]

9:00 - The idea of a NVidia Battery Bank on Amazon has me shook. UGreen. Big Green.

[@alanschmitt9865]

I still haven’t made peace with how seemingly legit UGREEN are.

[@jarrodjob]

@@alanschmitt9865 this ^^^ lol too true

[@PurpleZebra-oq2ut]

Gods these stories of how people are using AI are depressing. If I found out you wrote your dating profile, or messages to me using AI, we're over.

[@SamRiesgo]

The "There's a lot of people who doesn't know how to say NVIDIA right, even here at The Verge..." cracked me up!! I saw it this week and was thinking about it for a time... and then, "Yup, we're aware that it is happening even here". LOVED it

[@RobertoChiaveri]

Is the listeners call quality like this everywhere in the US or is a voicemail thing? I had trouble understanding, please add subtitles.

[@rohitramkrishna]

Nilay's enthusiasm for Haswell's "revolutionary" battery life on that MacBook Air was certainly something. I mean, 13 hours! Truly groundbreaking. But now, faced with the actual potential to revolutionize everything with AI, it's all "cautious optimism" and "concerns about misinformation." Funny how excited he gets about a slightly longer battery, but when it comes to something that could reshape society, it's time for the deep thoughts. Guess some revolutions are more equal than others.

[@willow2893]

my favorite vergecast bit is “dieter did this” whenever google does something good

[@ryanloftis]

double jeopardy is you cant get convicted of the same crime twice i think but its the same person.

[@pratikmadrecha]

I remember that Dieter video on tools and instruments. It was so goooood. I miss those thoughtful pieces on The Verge. I really really miss him on the channel. But at least the Pixel team is getting it together after he's gone there - so I guess a win? But with so much politics, some thoughtful videos on gadgets would be great!!!

[@DiabloMonk]

Invidia in Italian and envidia in Spanish both mean envy. Team green? Hello? Green with NVIDIA? What do you mean it doesn’t mean anything???

[@hari-po1fv]

15:57 i love when david freaks out like this 🥰

[@rohitramkrishna]

"Forget self-driving cars, Nilay's dream is a laptop that can power the entire city of San Francisco for a week. That's the future he believes in. AI? Too vague. Too unpredictable. Give him a battery that can run Crysis on max settings for 24 hours straight, and he'll lead the AI revolution himself."

[@rohitramkrishna]

I'm waiting for the video where Nilay explains how AI could be used to optimize battery life. Then, and only then, will he be truly on board. Until then, it's all 'misinformation' and 'manipulation.' But a slightly longer runtime? That's innovation you can believe in.

[@mileshuman]

The question of “what’s the killer app?” misses the mark, because what these companies are after isn’t drips of revenue from billions of app users, it’s transformative superintelligence. Sam wants to be able to spin up as many copies as he wants of the smartest lawyers, scientists, engineers, traders & executives in the world, because if you can do that you can dominate not one domain, but all of them. I’m not making this up, and they aren’t even really being sneaky about this, you just have to listen and believe them when they tell you what they’re after.

[@luke-litowitz]

Yeah this podcast completely misses the point on AI every time

[@maikvdz251]

Me: Hi Deepseek! Why does The Verge hide behind a ridiculous paywall? Deepseek: Yeah, about that….. silence….

[@saminnippon]

obligatory nilay thirst comment

[@willow2893]

your commitment to this bit is admirable

[@MrHPfan4ever]

Relatable

[@singh5105]

Robotics and bombs, we are gonna see drones with ‘AI’ in them in combat dropping bombs.

[@ajemohaltom3560]

Right, there's the profit motive and the military applications. It's one or both of those that are driving us toward AI. Either everybody thinks AI will make them rich, or help them prevail against their perceived adversaries. Yes there are other use cases... but the majority will fall into these categories.

[@U2haveanicedayty2]

And this is Scary.

[@jansix4287]

@@U2haveanicedayty2 Not as scary as actual humans hunting you as an individual soldier with FPV drones around an already destroyed tank.

[@U2haveanicedayty2]

@jansix4287 Very familiar and have heard many stories 🫡

[@mikaelsvensson1906]

I live in an apartment that has very low isp 1000mb/s 5$/m. But its in Sweden and the landlord are the tenants.

[@TheJRSvideos]

More and more, OpenAI, and to an extent the AI craze in general, just gives me serious Theranos vibes. They have the machine, it does some things, but the incredibly lofty promises they’re making about what it can and will be are more likely than not pure fantasy.

[@JacobPorterLadder]

I actually use Gemini to help brainstorm ideas for a board game I'm working on. Honestly very helpful in working through things

[@NobuoHack008]

The potential use for AI is so broad and shallow that it's difficult for me to summarize my thoughts on it. I feel this is a great opportunity for someone at the verge to make a venn diagram. Ultimately though, I don't trust AI; it can be helpful, but I always check the sources and vet the information. Also, I refuse to become reliant on it; it's anything but reliable and I don't want it to be significant part of my life. Lastly, some of the hotline examples were really concerning. Please don't use AI for medical advice, and learning how to do something yourself instead of asking an AI to do it is a great way to learn valuable skills.

[@newfnshow031]

on another note.we want Joanna

[@audoodle9963]

I spent my last few months hawking the Qualcomm powered laptops at best buy (they laid me off because that's what happens after the holidays) and you actually wouldn't believe how many people go "this would be good but it doesn't have Intel" seems like a very bad idea to make it $500 more though

[@middle_pickup]

I started using chatGPT last August to learn how to use Linux. I ask the AI how to do something, and 60% of the time it's right every time.

[@Jclicky]

Oh god this is so true: 55:26 “It’s just something…and as we have covered exhaustively, typing something like that into Google right now is like getting mugged in an alley.” Google really did fumble the bag. Yah that’s why we tolerate the LLMs which are functionally just a D- average College Sophomore who is overconfident about the school they got into, coasting on their first-year 101 & seminar successes, and they are running into a wall in their 201s but have no idea that their mid-term grades are going to give them a true reality check…

[@shawnleonard7827]

Can you guys please label the articles on your website that require a paid subscription? It’s a little scummy requiring us to click an article to find out it’s behind a paywall.

[@Eric-nj5ir]

The only company who hasn’t stolen is Xerox

[@downix]

I loved the ARM Surface. Really nice hardware. Sadly, the OS never kept up.

[@dumilemzimela6461]

The end goal is productivity tools that undercut all labour (aaaaand maybe gambling)... that's why Microsoft is so focused on this

[@jkibble98]

YAY PEBBLE! Thanks Dieter

[@morbidnomad]

this first email is from Sam A

[@ashum5731]

The only general user specific use cases they can come up with are going to be gimmicks because the real use cases are a building tech for pentagon breaking codes, hacking and all cyber warfare.

[@Purple_Hayes]

PEBBLES BACK BABY! I would love if they come out with LTE version but I assume that won't happen. A good looking, simple smart watch, thats thin, and lasts a week? Sign me up! Personally I don't even need the fitness stuff. I have my Oura ring and greatly prefer it to anything my pixel watch does in that world

[@rohitramkrishna]

The MacBook Air: revolutionary because it lasts a few more hours. AI: potentially transformative but... meh. Sums up tech journalism in a nutshell, really.

[@iglapsu88]

So you guys do read the terms of service. Interesting.

[@vladimirzivadinovic3941]

To avoid the corporate tone, make ChatGPT take up the persona of Skippy the Magnificent (from Expeditionary Force book series by Craig Alanson). Then, buckle up.

[@raycree722]

Deepseek is much bigger than AI. Deepseek engineering, software and resource management. Deepseek p showed that any technical development area could slash capital and operating costs to 2-3% of what everyone thinks. In my area of expertise in climate mitigation,I now see that the $100’s of billions to mitigate climate change can be done for a fraction of the billions paradigm that everyone seems locked into. It is the Deepseek effect. Could global poverty, or world hunger be solved using the Deepseek perspective!?

[@Ollerismo]

also. Nilay was right all along asking whether LLMs are a feature or a platform. I think at this point it is clear it is a feature that will get plugged into hardware and software. the saas model is unethical and has serious competition holes, as deepseek has exposed.

[@teimon91]

nili how much did you drink a full bar

[@reckless1280]

Look I was a fun time as a young man

[@drapetomaniack]

I think technically that’s called… Crime on crime, crime 😳

[@Rollexm]

21:21 Mr Pierce, think is the other way around. They want to be God. Watch them give us Frankenstein.

[@thanos879]

I use Claude exclusively. I'm an indie game developer. I use it for debugging and writing code. It feels like using a calculator to solve math problems instead of pencil and paper. I spend the bulk of my time on testing, brainstorming, and designing. A.I. is TERRIBLE at creativity and generating new ideas. I feel sorry for anyone who lets that part of their brain atrophy. I hope the big studios go bankrupt trying to replace human creativity with A.I.

[@Mayeverycreaturefindhappiness]

I’m an economist. I feel exactly the same way.if only everyone understood that.

[@wenchen1347]

They were overloaded because they were hacked.

[@hectormanuel8360]

An AI that's actually open OMG!

[@jamiesray]

"What if it doesn't work?" is an argument against every technology or subject matter expert.

[@reckless1280]

….yes!

[@djexams]

Sure but it is also a matter of what you are using the tech for. If a pace maker stops working it is a genuine issue. The problem with AI is that is being used for the most mundane of things to extremely important stuff. If the ai spits out that your dog can have chocolate, or if alcohol is perfectly okay to drink with that xanax, it is a genuine issue.

[@maomao180]

Boggles my mind y'all can't think of game changing uses for a maximally developed AI or AGI. I'll give you a few clues, they don't necessarily involve selling a consumer device or product.

[@captainlogic4684]

Westworld. The answer is Westworld. That's what they are making. AI will tell us how to be efficient in a way we don't really need. It's only to justify a few ego maniacs life vision and legacy.

[@Chris.Murray]

I dont really want to rain on the machinist's story, but does your partner know the messages you send them online are written by AI? Or are they under the assumption that you are a great writer, but just dont talk like how you write? Because if they dont know, they may be under the impression you are somebody you are not. If the partner does know, then there is no issue, they just see that difference as a habit or quirk.

[@AdamHaas]

1:11:45 THIS! These AIs are becoming what we expected Google Assistant be on day 1. Now a days all Google Assistant does it just a Google Search and you have to run to read the screen or it sends a message on your phone. Poor user experience.

[@bionic6man]

Apple is planning hardware to run ai

[@rajanhossain9250]

There is no 4k version of this!

[@rebokfleetfoot]

no

[@Perpn101]

Another podcast with more Google bashing. So no one called in that uses Gemini or did you just not want to play those recordings?

[@jimstonb3294]

They did adress this in the podcast, you can Go back to it, if you are interested.

[@brgulker]

boiling the oceans for dating profiles. yikes.

[@iVirtue-kl3xm]

He sounds wildly boring

[@newfnshow031]

bro sounds like the biggest nerd in the world now he's married. I wonder if he used AI to figure where to put it in 😂

[@Open-Source-Lab]

you don't even need reasoning. I just configure my own chatbots to behave the way I want them to be. I working really. I think the future of good models are just good data and smart prompts

[@HensonCarol]

Great content, as always! Could you help me with something unrelated: My OKX wallet holds some USDT, and I have the seed phrase. (alarm fetch churn bridge exercise tape speak race clerk couch crater letter). How can I transfer them to Binance?

[@seaneyo]

Email professionalism and tone shift is my most beneficial use case of AI to date (January, 2025)

[@rebokfleetfoot]

ifi igaher :)

[@zeth609]

Hey I use to help me be an RPG master on Dungeons and Dragons and other games, also to check obscure rules to board or card games.

[@rebokfleetfoot]

my point was it does not operator it self, it rather extends the existing and adds human output, if that makes any sable, the market has always been that way

[@pratikmadrecha]

Please be on Threads! We need a place where there are left and right wing people! It is important they interact

[@rebokfleetfoot]

it;s actually very cool revolutions, but does rely much on the previous

[@rebokfleetfoot]

risk is opposite of quantum, when you think of it

[@anujtaxali]

PeOpLe oNlY uSe AI fOr eMaILs

[@rebokfleetfoot]

punt being :)

[@dorsaesh1555]

Stealin stuff sama haas alread stolen🎉🎉🎉🎉

[@Ollerismo]

ne-vidia seems off when @GlennGreenwald says it.