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@flynnsa19987 ай бұрын
"Lefties will sell out our country!" "Yes Javier please sell out our national resources to American Billionaire's!"
@oldishandwoke-ish11817 ай бұрын
It worked for us Brits! ............... NOT.
@MeatBread0036 ай бұрын
Someday we will discover that Javier work for the CIA 😂
@beedubree25506 ай бұрын
lefties cant sell out your country if you already did it first, the man is a genius
@deletethis78482 ай бұрын
>people unironically simps for peronists You can either be dumb or evil, not both ffs
@marioreds78267 ай бұрын
in italy we make the joke that argentinians have voted a right-wing populist because 60% of them are of italian descent (seeing as we fell for that with berlusconi and now with the current government).
@Jefferu_Nintendomoto7 ай бұрын
Very insightful
@cezarcatalin14067 ай бұрын
it's always the goddam Italians getting their noodles into everything.
@diosamurcielaga94187 ай бұрын
There is something to it
@ewchi-m4n0127 ай бұрын
careful when they put pineapple on pizzas
@krejados17 ай бұрын
It's weird how many people sing Meloni's praises, though.
@MagnusAlbion7 ай бұрын
Defunding everything, removing all economic safety and security, and privatizing basic human needs, what could possibly go wrong?
@ahmedrazick49467 ай бұрын
Revolution?
@marijnyboy84027 ай бұрын
@@ahmedrazick4946 at this point revolution would probably bring something better. So not a thing that could go wrong but a thing that can go right.
@JohnT.43217 ай бұрын
LoLibertarians still believe their economic ideology would work but reality says different.
@FourtyParsecs7 ай бұрын
Ask Chile about the Friedman program they did (unwillingly) then ended in economic collapse by 1982. And the USA was like "Looks good! Five stars!"
@cezarcatalin14067 ай бұрын
@@JohnT.4321 Yea but every time when reality drops an anvil on any goofy libertarian project, libertarians start crying about how socialism is actually what went wrong and claim that wasn't "real capitalism". You know, we should also claim that every time a socialist government did an oopsie (and it was actually their mistake) that wasn't actually "true socialism" and capitalism was at fault somehow. Of course, we don't have the brainwash machine to push that goofy ass lie though but libertarians get away with it.
@Maurisanz2117 ай бұрын
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@shredderly7 ай бұрын
This made me chuckle.
@marijnyboy84027 ай бұрын
What is an economy.
@niamhleeson35227 ай бұрын
A stable economy is a socialist economy!
@adude12377 ай бұрын
muchaaaaachows
@user-qi6pv9jh7o6 ай бұрын
Wtf is stable
@KekusMagnus7 ай бұрын
Milei supporters are quickly finding out that "it can't possibly get worse" was a terrible miscalculation
@NRobbi427 ай бұрын
Those racist psychopaths are getting what they asked for, I just feel bad for everyone else.
@drewm99037 ай бұрын
Are they though?
@8lec_R7 ай бұрын
@@drewm9903yes. Yes. Yes. Just because you live under capitalism doesn't mean you've seen the worst shit. Stuff can get much worse.
@user-qi6pv9jh7o7 ай бұрын
It always can
@NRobbi427 ай бұрын
@8lec_R What I think they mean is that Milei supporters don't have the capacity to admit they were wrong and are happy as long as the libs are owned.
@dopey4737 ай бұрын
The fact that so many clueless americans make genuine fan edits of this man and adore him for "owning the libs" is as hilarious as it is concerning.
@cezarcatalin14067 ай бұрын
The same clueless Americans who will carry Donald Trump back into the white house.
@khai96x7 ай бұрын
> expecting reactionaries to actually think
@agridley11167 ай бұрын
@@khai96xtoo true khai too true
@dangerousdays20527 ай бұрын
@@TheTournesoul
@mgm82557 ай бұрын
@@TheTournesoulJust because you are argentinean doesn't mean that you know your own history and that you are right in what you say. I am argentinean and I have a completely different opinion than yours. In the first 12 of those 16 years, we emerged from a socioeconomic crisis, paid a trillion-dollar debt to the IMF and became the country with the highest salaries in the entire region. Obviously not everything was perfect, but believing that adopting the same policies as Mauricio Macri in 2015-2019 will get us out of the problem those same policies got us into is absurd.
@MadRedAlchemist7 ай бұрын
Milei is doing the "get yourself overthrown in a revolution speed run"
@landonmartin93377 ай бұрын
I’m taking bets that he doesn’t finish his term
@jackmonaghan84777 ай бұрын
@@landonmartin9337 Or goes the way of Batista in Cuba or the Shah of Iran.
@pablodonner52137 ай бұрын
@jackmonaghan8477 I mean one of the guys who overthrew Batista was from Argentina so the potential is there
@tea-bd3gb7 ай бұрын
@@jackmonaghan8477thats what I’m hoping for
@Ivotomasdelaricarda7 ай бұрын
Eso no va a pasar, a los argentinos nos faltan muchos huevos. La mitad del pais está dispuesta a dejarse coger
@Stella974797 ай бұрын
Hey there! I'm Brazilian, so please don't scare me by putting Bolsonaro on our flag. Lula is now our president! I don't want to see Bolsonaro's face, not even in the history books! Thanks, I love your videos. Stay strong, my Argentinian brothers and sisters.
@xspager7 ай бұрын
Yes, but he is secretly a commie (he use to vote the same as the PT party when he was in congress)
@AlexGreat877 ай бұрын
Thank you there, things are gonna get rough
@blah2047 ай бұрын
Cringe
@missk16977 ай бұрын
thanks for introducing yourself@@blah204
@Gakulon7 ай бұрын
@@blah204 Source?
@andrzejkopalnia7 ай бұрын
"Tell me you're a CIA puppet without telling me you're a CIA puppet." Millei: Hold my Champagne!
@EsotericThoughts937 ай бұрын
Yeah fr. This is just the United States showing more imperial interest in South America. They take these trump wannabes and put them in a position of power to cause disruption. Exact same thing with Brazil and their even more hideous version of Jan6
@Ganjor4207 ай бұрын
If you made a Movie, 20 years ago, with a President of a major nation who is calling himself "General AnCap", it would be placed under science fiction.
@C-Farsene_57 ай бұрын
The Dictator ahh film
@Novusod7 ай бұрын
It would be too absurd to ever be made into a movie.
@kamchatmonk7 ай бұрын
Such a movie already exists. It's called "Idiocracy". I can actually recommend it, it's good.
@xuto26936 ай бұрын
Humanity usually underestimates it's own stupidity.
@xuto26936 ай бұрын
Why watch it when I live it every day.... :/
@maya.furtado7 ай бұрын
It scares me how Argentina chose Milei after what we (brazilians) lived for 4 years during the Bolsonaro's administration. I mean, they were right next to us, how didn't they learn anything about candidates who self proclaim themselves as "saviors"?
@Praisethesunson7 ай бұрын
Argentina does everything Brazil does. It just takes Argentina longer and they do it worse.
@OneMartinAmongMany7 ай бұрын
Speaking as an Argentine, we collectively pretend Brazil doesn't exist. Jokes aside, everything seems kind of distant from Argentina. There's this kind of dizzy sense of "how bad could it really be? Don't tell me I don't want to know" that I think permeates how Argentinians think of what happens outside our borders.
@papabear907 ай бұрын
Because democracy and people can't be trusted to make the best decisions for themselves or their countries.
@TheForeignersNetwork7 ай бұрын
The honest answer is that many Argentinians hate Lula just as much as the Bolsominions do. A lot of people in Argentina saw the years of the military junta as a necessary course correction, even though those years were a horrible stain on their history.
@MK-jc6us7 ай бұрын
What Argentina has is even worse than Bolsonaro. Bolsonaro tried to play with the old "stability and values" from the conservative right. Milei is 100% into ancap logic, He is a sick combination of the worse from both Trump and Biden. Hard to beat this one in the "who is worse" game. I guess even Bolsonaro would say a straight "no" to the question about selling children... Milei is basically a Bolsonaro that watched too much South Park.
@oort21087 ай бұрын
Milei's fans are the most cultist people I've ever seen
@somerandomguy___7 ай бұрын
I believe you, but what examples have you seen of them?
@leonje997 ай бұрын
@@somerandomguy___ Oh boy YOU WILL NOT BELIEVE IT IF WE TELL YOU
@xspager7 ай бұрын
Nothing like the US Dems screaming "four more years" over people begging Biden to stop a Genocide
@dangerousdays20527 ай бұрын
@@somerandomguy___ On 4chan they are posting AI images of Milei ray-pehing celebrities and calling him the God Emperor.
@somerandomguy___7 ай бұрын
@@leonje99 that makes me want to know even more
@RoughGalaxyYT7 ай бұрын
"Capitalism isn't working, know what we need? MORE capitalism! Clearly that's what's lacking" jeezus.
@dangerousdays20527 ай бұрын
That's how the working class has been bred to think. Centuries of domestication has made them soft headed sheep.
@Ale-ft4re7 ай бұрын
capitalism does work just dont have the same interest as the people
@JP-fb8ni7 ай бұрын
@@Ale-ft4reYes, shipping containers are more important than saving lives.
@Gakulon7 ай бұрын
@@Ale-ft4re Quite sad that this is the case. Capitalism does its job incredibly well, too bad its job is to be terrible for all but a vanishingly small proportion of us
@josue.ortega7 ай бұрын
They believe the previous peronist administrations were hardcore socialism.
@oikkuoek7 ай бұрын
Elect a clown for a president, you will get a circus for a government. When the money is gone, the circus leaves. All that is left is ruined field, poverty and misery.
@KekusMagnus7 ай бұрын
But there was no money to begin with. This is going to be an interesting circus
@Ailasher7 ай бұрын
It's a typical scam gang trick. While one clown amuses and shocks the crowd, another part of the gang picks their pockets.
@Pabloto-dq3sx7 ай бұрын
You guys have just created the idea for the most fire political propaganda poster I’ve ever seen.
@oikkuoek7 ай бұрын
@@Pabloto-dq3sx Have at it, mate. I've been trying to answer to these replies whole day, with detailed info about why and what next, but nope, KZbin will not allow it.
@jerrysflooringmendoza24877 ай бұрын
That's exactly what happened in Mexico during the neoliberals government.
@djangokill657 ай бұрын
Privatization of state assets and dollar backed peso? Sounds like a C1A plant 🤡
@MercuryTheVexilliologyNerd7 ай бұрын
wouldn't put it past the CIA - anything thats even has a slight scent of socialism is rooted out
@kobemop7 ай бұрын
@@MercuryTheVexilliologyNerd while installing a right-wing anti-communist government lol. Also, right-wingers complain about immigrants despite their governments overthrowing socialist/communist goverments world-wide.
@ciberula7 ай бұрын
Yup
@oldishandwoke-ish11817 ай бұрын
Definitely!
@gustavoabate62427 ай бұрын
Argentinian here, you should hear his speech at davos, OMFG! This guy is the meme of "socialism is when the gov does things" and "everything i don't like is socialism". And people were like "we need a change" "if we elect Massa is gonna be the same as always"... Yeah, but paraphrasing Jeff Goldblum in that movie, you were so worried about if you could change it that you never thought if you should have; and even less about with whom.
@maxaleman26207 ай бұрын
Por fin otro argentino que entiende de primera mano lo que está pasando
@idk-ye7ur7 ай бұрын
So they should've voted for Massa and not Milei? Voting for Massa would be the worst scene, more power to the goverment that destroyed Argentina.
@alex294436 ай бұрын
I mean, Argentina definitely does need radical change. It has stumbled from crisis to crisis with out of control and ineffective overnment spending, despite having some of the best land and resources available to any western economy. It is a staggering monument to structural mismanagement. I think the effort here to tear down government structures that have proven themselves un-salvagable is very sensible. I swear there are socialists who would rather keep Argentina poor than have it thrive with a free market.
@HiDefHDMusic6 ай бұрын
@@alex29443 oh no they’re spending money on the well being of their citizens instead of increasing the value of the stock for shareholders, what will we do? How do you manage to convince yourself you’re not one of the most comically evil people to ever exist?
@diogonunes16086 ай бұрын
@@alex29443you are the first comment I read of a moderate person. Everyone here wants Argentina to collapse even more. It feels like every time democracy elects someone they disapprove, they pray for misery and famine. Ridiculous
@Commielover697 ай бұрын
Is Argentina gonna be the next 4th world country?🔥🔥
@KozelPraiseGOELRO7 ай бұрын
At this rate, 999th.
@timmy-wj2hc7 ай бұрын
It already is. It's going for 5th.
@liasonlee12487 ай бұрын
stop with the useless numbers, I'd much prefer "enslaved colony" country instead of a "4th world" country.
@user-qi6pv9jh7o7 ай бұрын
Wait until narcocarthels replace the police
@maximemeis28676 ай бұрын
Or it can go back to 4th richest in the world like it was before socialism
@maxpeters79837 ай бұрын
Milei: "I want a free market and no state taking part in it" Also Milei as 'the state': *Restricts free market trade with China and Brasil*
@tiagotristao47687 ай бұрын
that isnt true, he wants complete free trade, just no state relations
@WorldGovernmentGeoInstitut7 ай бұрын
@@tiagotristao4768So there WILL be completely free trade. He's just a demagogue and he's got you with his sophist, semantically driven rhetoric.
@zigoter21857 ай бұрын
When did he do that? He never actually did.
@idk-ye7ur7 ай бұрын
He doesn't tho, the private sector will di whatever it wants, the state won't restrict anything. Ya'll dumb.
@iamjanedoe4real2 ай бұрын
@@idk-ye7urcope
@euruskreacatoa23707 ай бұрын
That president literally looks like a comic book villain 💀 how the hell did we get here 💀💀💀
@ey677 ай бұрын
Just like our trumpster dumpster.
@nzdoom8277 ай бұрын
IMF statement from 12 Dec 2023: “IMF staff welcome the measures announced earlier today by Argentina’s new Economy Minister, Luis Caputo. These bold initial actions aim to significantly improve public finances in a manner that protects the most vulnerable in society and strengthen the foreign exchange regime. Their decisive implementation will help stabilize the economy and set the basis for more sustainable and private-sector led growth. IMF staff and the new Argentine authorities will work expeditiously in the period ahead. Following serious policy setbacks over the past few months, this new package provides a good foundation for further discussions to bring the existing Fund-supported program back on track.” Translation: We’re looking forward to seeing the American companies whose interests we serve, and the Argentinian companies that serve our interests, own a lot more of Argentina in the near future. We also look forward to crushing the working class for the sake of further profits, and opening exciting new markets in infant and organ sales.
@CraigKeidel7 ай бұрын
AnCaps: Governments create monopolies in free markets by picking winners! Milei is going to show you! Milei: Let's make taxpayers cover corporate debts Man couldn't even go 60 days without backtracking on his so-called theory
@user-qi6pv9jh7o7 ай бұрын
That's a new, horrid type of neoliberalism. Milleism? AuthAnCap? Neofascist collaborationism?
@kobemop7 ай бұрын
Taxes for the poor and no taxes for the rich. Yes, sounds very ancap lol.
@HiDefHDMusic7 ай бұрын
@@kobemopthat’s what happens every time it’s tried, yeah, we have thousands of years of evidence proving it never works 😂
@sulimanthemagnificent48937 ай бұрын
"Governments create monopolies in free markets by picking winners!" Literally never true, The United States government has repeatedly subsided the dumbest and least profitable entrepreneurs/investments (whilst being given better offers by people proven more competent) simply because they were wined and dined. Literally just look at the Cornelius Vanderbilt, specifically the man he initially worked for Gibbons, who took his rivals to court in the Gibbons V Ogden case just to eliminate their monopoly on the ferry industry (a monopoly that would have never existed if not for the government of New York) and subsequently ushering in lower prices and better services over the next decades. That's of course one example, but there's others, such as the retarded rail subsidies that were done by amount track laid, incentivizing long, cumbersome logistics networks that would never have been made simply because it's a waste of money and resources (most of these don't exist anymore... I wonder why...), then you have the FDIC (deposit insurance, basically a subsidy given if they colossal fuck up), which is basically telling banks "Hey, you know that thing called sanity and lending standards... fuck 'em".
@user-un8tv1pp8m7 ай бұрын
Before the election: "I want to end corrupt self serving!" After the election: "My wholly unqualified sister is primo minister material, huh?"
@TylerCWilliams7 ай бұрын
Usually bad governance is a mix of callousness and stupidity. With Milei, it's 90% stupidity.
@hes_alive7 ай бұрын
More like 90% evil, he knows very well what he’s doing.
@leoninocat50707 ай бұрын
Yes
@raghuvarv7 ай бұрын
@@hes_alive I think Milei is like Modi. It's a combination of stupid and evil. Yeah, it's definitely both.
@Huy-G-Le7 ай бұрын
More like 90% Reddit understanding of the economy.
@raghuvarv7 ай бұрын
@Huy-G-Le That's overestimating his understanding of the economy. Milei's understanding of the economy is more on the level of Ronald Reagan (may he rest in piss) and Nirmala Sitharaman (who needs to stfu and smoke some weed).
@davey_rulez73017 ай бұрын
sounds like something out of a parody, it would be really funny if it didn't actually affect millions of people
@Man-of-Steel6747 ай бұрын
This clown is gonna doom Argentina forever.
@XS-03_Apollo7 ай бұрын
>But it wasn't REAL capotiaialism!11!!!1!!
@JGSM_JuvenileGeryon7 ай бұрын
No fucking way, leftists are parodying their own arguments now. I thought they couldn't joke
@XS-03_Apollo7 ай бұрын
@@JGSM_JuvenileGeryon I’ve seen capitalists say "It wasn’t real capitalism" 10 times more than I’ve seen socialists say "It wasn’t real socialism".
@JGSM_JuvenileGeryon7 ай бұрын
@@XS-03_Apollo Well, that's because you saw what you wanted to see - capitalists being stupid rather than what you didn't - your own being stupid. Nobody wants to see their own being the ones to lose, just like the current situation in Ukraine. Both countries state television tells their citizens that they are winning, nobody talks about their own losses
@JP-fb8ni7 ай бұрын
@@JGSM_JuvenileGeryonOh, aren't we a gem at the art of whataboutism today? Of course, let's all forget about Argentina's debt-ridden economy because, hey, Ukraine! Newsflash, pal: arguing about whether capitalists or socialists say It wasn't real [insert ideology here] more doesn't change the fact that Milei's extreme neoliberal policies are disastrous. But, hey, keep waving that red herring, it suits you. Next up: arguing that Antarctica's ice melting is irrelevant because it's cold in Alaska, perhaps?
@thereformist87187 ай бұрын
@JGSM_sar the capitalist system doesn't fail because of individuals. It fails cuz its a shit system
@Maurisanz2117 ай бұрын
Pretty accurate analysis. Only one detail, milei's government has pulled back on privatization of state companies. This happened just a couple of days ago
@alexpkeaton44717 ай бұрын
No buyers? :P
@Maurisanz2117 ай бұрын
@alexpkeaton4471 well it was part of a mega law sent to congress, the article that proposed the privatization of state companies was really controversial since many of those companies were not deficitary. My guessing is that they pulled back to help the law get passed through congress
@maximipe7 ай бұрын
@@Maurisanz211 Not really, they wanted to privatize up to 41 state owned companies and only 1 or 2 were discarded
@sebastiantigani27207 ай бұрын
In response to nation wide strike
@matiastimm6 ай бұрын
@@Maurisanz211, actually they ended up pulling back the entire mega-law after the people took to the streets. As the old saying goes, "el pueblo unido jamás será vencido."
@DzzO7 ай бұрын
My mom works at a Italian multinational company here in Brazil and they can't get the money of the autoparts they sold in Argentina because of dolar restrictions. They are being forced to take those bonds and they will probably remove their argentine operation all together after that. A lot of people are going to get fired...
@silkozmic96197 ай бұрын
I don't think this government cares about national industry, they don't care about making cars anymore. It is just exporting soy, beef, and lithium. A lot of people will lose their jobs.
@dangerousdays20527 ай бұрын
Working Class: Hey, the economy is doing bad, let's elect a fascist cartoon character.
@dangerousdays20527 ай бұрын
@@davidanalyst671 Lol, did you even watch the video? 🤣😂
@no-nx3ip7 ай бұрын
im not sure I would call him fascist but I feel like having another of the same type of leader wouldn't solve the problem of argentina, if argentina is going to recover it must go through drastic changes and the current parties surely wouldn't do it
@ducksareurlords37827 ай бұрын
Eh Milei is more like Pinochet mixed with Doctor Doofenschmirtz
@drewm99037 ай бұрын
@@davidanalyst671 Considering the USD is becoming the equivalent to garbage and now they are hostage to an empire I say they made the wrong bet.
@drewm99037 ай бұрын
@@no-nx3ip I probably would but time will tell that story if it's true.
@waxon27 ай бұрын
At least FaSinPat (formerly Zanon), the worker-owned/run ceramic coop and well-known example of the recovered factory movement, appears to still be operational. That's hopeful.
@benisser7 ай бұрын
Misheard "fringe candidate" as "french candidate" and was really confused for a second
@oort21087 ай бұрын
Same
@user-qi6pv9jh7o7 ай бұрын
Misread the subtitles even. Thank you for writing that comment.
@manekrit24177 ай бұрын
Speed run of turning Argentina into Somalia
@oort21087 ай бұрын
The best part of this is that there is a pro-Milei song that says if we continue like this (peronism) we will ruin our lifes and envy the well being of Somalia
@tomdonahoe35397 ай бұрын
This is the sort of thing that happens when centrists politicians don't handle the people's business well.
@gilsonrogeriolimaoliveira28077 ай бұрын
Centrists job is to please the billionaires while trying to not screw the people too much. A quite hard job in wealthy countries, let alone a poor one in continuous crisis since the 1950s.
@drewm99037 ай бұрын
"Centrists" somehow are the worst extremists in modern politics.
@michimatsch58627 ай бұрын
@@gilsonrogeriolimaoliveira2807 pfft, yeah, right. got another one?
@Waitwhat4697 ай бұрын
I really appreciate that both Libertarian and right wing labels are used to describe his politics now. The draconian measures and limits on freedoms being imposed ARE NOT libertarian. It just goes to show the smoke screen they are using to push for capitalist ownership and not actually trying to limit government power.
@friesandveggieburger56197 ай бұрын
So when his policies completely impoverish Argentina, what's next? What's the end game here?
@donHooligan7 ай бұрын
fascist corporate exploitation.
@99baking7 ай бұрын
America and it's corporations comes in and buys everything up at a fraction of the real price
@dylandugan767 ай бұрын
Another massive IMF loan, selling off entire industries to American corporations at bargain basement prices, and declaring unqualified economic "success" while ordinary Argentinians who disagree are disappeared.
@giu9417 ай бұрын
literally sell the country to gringos I guess
@dangerousdays20527 ай бұрын
This stinks of an IMF hit job.
@tomasconejeros30657 ай бұрын
If I'm not mistaken, he had some financial support from right-wing spanish party Vox, I can't confirm this thought. I've lived in Argentina for around 7 years, and I was literally forced to leave because the cost of living increased to double after one week in Argentina. The guy removed a measure that the former goverment used to keep the the prices of basic groceries somewhat stable, it was called "Precios Cuidados". A lot of people are already struggling due to the removal of that thing. Proof that neoliberalism formulas have to go away for good.
@Syrzl92317 ай бұрын
You do realize that borrowing money to keep public subsidies going is a doom spiral of debt that will never end until there is no more money to borrow? Argentina is already there the IMF is the only institution that will lend to Argentina because their credit worth less then dirt.
@bubba69896 ай бұрын
Ahhh price controls..... seldom ever work, if anything its unsustainable bandaid. Let me put it into simple terms: lets say it costs me 50 cents to grow an avocado, but the government limits me to sell it for only 40 cents, they can either A: pay the difference plus a small profit to keep the operation going (btw the government is in deep debt) or B: force me to sell all my product at a loss to where im either out of business or choose to produce something else, causing a further shortage. Its really under most circumstances not sustainable if the government has no money.
@CosmicEternity96657 ай бұрын
i'm argentinian, and i can say that this country is hopeless
@ANTH0NY.VII.7 ай бұрын
Sorry dude, hopefully you can leave
@CosmicEternity96657 ай бұрын
@@ANTH0NY.VII. nah i'm gonna move down south and create the People's Republic of Patagonia
@Megaghost_7 ай бұрын
@@CosmicEternity9665 Avisame y me sumo.
@gilsonrogeriolimaoliveira28077 ай бұрын
All of South America, comrade. We are at full throttle to become poorer than Africa, thanks to our fifth column politicians.
@no-nx3ip7 ай бұрын
@@CosmicEternity9665 kaiserreich moment?
@andrewgenio7 ай бұрын
We did it bois, Argentina is no more
@UdarRusskihPudgei7 ай бұрын
Brace yourself for the wave of 'this wasn't real libertarianism' arguments.
@wertywerrtyson55297 ай бұрын
I was thinking the same thing.
@drewm99037 ай бұрын
I actually do agree though, this isn't real libertarianism. The problem is how many self-proclaimed "libertarians" are clever enough to see this act of deceit.
@user-qi6pv9jh7o7 ай бұрын
Why though? Taxpayers were unable to make their part of the agreement, which is not to let business bankrupt. Obviously, they must pay for it.
@sushicat9997 ай бұрын
I'm argentinian and I'm seeing all of my friends who work in different artistic circles sad and helpless, given the measure Milei has done and will continue to do
@baha3alshamari1527 ай бұрын
Why would people in failed poor countries work in artistic circles to begin with
@SalvadorRuberto7 ай бұрын
although not mentioned here, he is also defunding almost every state apparatus that helped promote theatre, music, cinema and culture as a whole to be more accesible for the population, on the excuse that "there isn´t enough money". So yeah, another loss that comes from this madmans rule
@tylerian46487 ай бұрын
That sounds quite reasonable to me.
@HiDefHDMusic7 ай бұрын
@@tylerian4648sounds like a fascist trying to stifle dissent and make it easier to control the media to me, if your country isn’t funding the arts it’s not a country it’s just a bank and I would strike too 😂
@PivotStryker7 ай бұрын
@@tylerian4648 because youre redacted
@alex294436 ай бұрын
But there actually is no money...
@HiDefHDMusic6 ай бұрын
@@alex29443 imagine watching the IMF starve people in one of the richest countries on the planet so they can coerce the population into accepting the theft of their own resources and saying something so embarrassingly wrong.
@ahmedrazick49467 ай бұрын
Anyone ever have Ancaps ruin a Vicky 2 playthrough?
@pao55677 ай бұрын
Always
@PanzerfaustBR7 ай бұрын
@@TheRatsintheWalls Vicky 2 is a political-economic simulator in which you, the player, has some agency in adopting laws and expanding your production. However this is limited by your country POPs (population) and their ideology (which is affected by your economic performance, the type of industry, the percentage of shared wealth and so on). These limitations are worsened if ancaps ever come to power. When an ancap revolt succeeds, they install a Bourgeoisie Dictatorship government and you, as the player, cannot alter laws or do anything with respect to the economy. The game "plays" by itself. Usually very badly. And then all you can do is... well... wait for another revolt/revolution in order to be able to effectively play the game once again (or restart the game, because, seriously, even game ancaps are insufferable).
@ahmedrazick49467 ай бұрын
@@TheRatsintheWalls gotta rush socialism lol (i founded karl marx and richard engels as the UK) fuk I should see how three is.
@RandallSlick7 ай бұрын
As a Brit, just take a quick look at what neoliberal ideologues can do to a nation in only 14 years. My sincere hope and best wishes to Argentina. You'll need them.
@frerdy7 ай бұрын
Please change the president of Brazil shown on the flag. We get rid off that garbage forever, I hope.
@gilsonrogeriolimaoliveira28077 ай бұрын
This specific excrement perhaps won't return, but other like him or worse surely will be elected, if not on the next election, in 2030 at the latest. There's no escape from fascism, except for a revolution. Elections are an expensive circus.
@kobemop7 ай бұрын
@@gilsonrogeriolimaoliveira2807 Correct. Liberal democracies are amenable to the far-right. Revolution or barbarism.
@DLeo147 ай бұрын
6:42-6:53 Bro the people behind these decisions are actual supervillains.
@somerandomguy___7 ай бұрын
What's even scarier is that about half of them genuinely believe they are doing the right thing. Neoliberal economics is such a dumb ideology that it uses false logic among many other things to strip people of their common sense so they'll think crazy things like that if you have no government, "the market will just sort itself out".
@michaeld48617 ай бұрын
Dude literally looks like a Batman villain. I hope the people of Argentina realize what a mistake it is to give these fascists power before it's too late. (If it's not already too late.)
@user-qi6pv9jh7o7 ай бұрын
Ancap the moment they realize that without government laws, nothing makes the concept of private property possible to ensure
@marshallsweatherhiking18206 ай бұрын
They just become fascists.
@antoniodepalma-f8i7 ай бұрын
If you are wondering how he was voted into power consider the country had over 100% inflation rate and had over 40% of the populatity in poverty. In this economic situation the ruling party puts as its presidential candidate the economy minister.
@Dawn.tless.7 ай бұрын
That man is apparently doing a “first 4th world country” speedrun
@BorealColdstone7 ай бұрын
Not to mention that the period in the 1950s was a largely agricultural period where the largely traditional agricultural landlord class benefited and the country was completely undeveloped in terms of industry. The nationalization period didn't just lead to more equality, it was the period that built Argentina's industrial capacity massively which the traditional agricultural landlords prevented. Blaming Peronism is just a red herring for the most part. Its IMF debt that ruined Argentina not anything else
@masterchief-yj7yw7 ай бұрын
The 50s where the only Time in history argentina had any decent industry, we even had companies that produced cars and airplanes in the country. What milei reivindicates were the undemocratic liberal goverments that lasted until the 30s and represented the oligarchy that fixed elections mostly
@alex294436 ай бұрын
These companies were generally not globally competitive at all on a level playing field, which is why any opening up to global competition resulted in failure of Argentine companies.
@nurventilatoren7 ай бұрын
Argentina being in a comedy movie: "You probably want to know how I ended up in THIS situation".
@nathanstruble21777 ай бұрын
Freeze frame, record scratch, "Yup, that's me."
@Jkjoannaki7 ай бұрын
You haven't seen what's going on in greece. The ministry killed hundreds in train "accident", the state covered up the crime, no one who was responsible went to jail, they are now reelected in government and their excuse on TV was "if we said the trains had problems no one would buy a ticket" (hundreds DIED)
@ES_DCSAVIOR1017 ай бұрын
There are too many evil people in positions of power in this day and age.
@drewm99037 ай бұрын
And the whole world is paying the price for it.
@alecseuslev90547 ай бұрын
Evil has won, man.
@jaystephens27597 ай бұрын
Multiple thoughts in one day I feel like a philosopher
@TheRealSly14Cat7 ай бұрын
As I said before, crazy how every "libertarian" is a fascist once they get even the slightest amount of power.
@kawaiiburgio89707 ай бұрын
I have a theory, Milei is actually a really well read marxist accelerationist, like the best in existance, because you can't actually be this bad without doing it on purpose.
@atomicexistentialism84287 ай бұрын
Based
@elbastardillo7 ай бұрын
i tried to explain to my coworker the error in voting for that thing, it was like talking to random tiktok posts. at the end the work of social organisations help create a new middle class that betrayed the country to fascism. brats justifying state terrorism because they think they can get an iphone if everithing else goes to shit.
@drewm99037 ай бұрын
Damn, they are dumb brats if they actually believe that. I am already wondering what on Earth would I do once everything goes to complete shit.
@silkozmic96197 ай бұрын
My mother-in-law voted for this maniac because a WhatsApp audio told her "terrible things about Massa" 🙄
@drewm99037 ай бұрын
@@silkozmic9619 In her defense, Argentina couldn't bring a good political candidate to challenge this WEF psycho.
@matiastimm6 ай бұрын
I also tend to refer to Milei as "that thing". I am glad I am not the only one.
@TheDisasterMaster27 ай бұрын
I hope there’s a follow-up on how the protest goes! Best of luck to the workers of Argentina ✊
@Anonymous-gw1vd7 ай бұрын
9:33 I’m glad that Americans are switching the term “soccer” for the much more sane and logical “football”
@HiDefHDMusic7 ай бұрын
Fútbol*
@elvastan6 ай бұрын
But then what do you call American Football
@Anonymous-gw1vd5 ай бұрын
@@elvastan we don’t talk about it.
@martinhuhn78137 ай бұрын
His politics were no secret before and that is usually the case with ultra right wing candidates and their parties. Sometimes I hope, I will never really understand, how so many people can vote for someone like that. That might be a depressing day. Honestly, what happens in those brains? "Last time I voted for that party, which didn´t really match my needs, so let´s try one that is absolutely and unambiguously against all of my interests and does not even try to hide it this time"?
@JP-fb8ni7 ай бұрын
How many people turned out to vote, I wonder? Maybe that's the question we should be asking. Would be interesting to find out too.
@aluisious7 ай бұрын
Propaganda works. People are lazy and stupid, and want to point a finger at the source of their problems like immigrants or communists instead of “you need to unlearn everything you’ve been told and start from scratch in your understanding of history.”
@JP-fb8ni7 ай бұрын
@@TheTournesoul Here's some eye watering facts for you. In his inauguration speech, Milei mentioned that all shock economic programs were successful except for one in 1959. But let's look at Argentina's history. The military dictatorship in the 1970s, for instance, implemented neoliberal shock therapy which privatised everything and ended price and exchange rate controls, just like Milei is suggesting. But what exactly was the outcome? National debt tripled, poverty increased by 18%, buying power fell by 17%, and 20,000 businesses went bankrupt. And what about the neoliberal policies of 2001 that led to a nationwide protest (known as El Corralito, which left 39 protesters dead)? Or President Macri's economic policies that have actually put Argentina in the current debt and inflation mess? To quote Albert Einstein: "Insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results." It seems Milei's approach fits this description perfectly. Milei also said that gradual economic changes need financing, and that the country doesn't have any money. His supporters, who are probably hoping that the austerity measures that he is proposing won't affect them, will however soon realise the truth when they see their roads falling apart and their healthcare system collapsing. Milei's first action in office was also to reduce the number of government ministries from 18 to 8. In December Milei also sacked at least 5000 government employees as well. Lastly, Milei also stated that there's no choice but to cut services and implement shock therapy. But what this means for Argentina's workers is that they will lose their pensions, social security, and other public services they've paid for, all because they have to repay the public debt. Milei in fact blames them for this crisis, even though it's political policies like he is intending to implement that got them into this situation in the first place. So, what Milei proposes, actually, is essentially a more extreme version of the neoliberalism of the past, neoliberalism on steroids in other words. And as history has shown, these policies have brought nothing but misery to the people of Argentina.
@JP-fb8ni7 ай бұрын
@@TheTournesoul However, shock therapy has never worked. Hence the Einstein quote. The only people who benefit are the rich.
@martinhuhn78137 ай бұрын
@@TheTournesoul Well, sure. Very bad things happen in capitalist states, people are mad at the last government. Nobody wants 200% inflation and people look for alternatives and there are no really good ones around, which seem likely to win. Propaganda does its work and people fail to identify the least terrible option. But they pick one, which does not take away the past inflation but takes away the workers incomes, messes up everything else and the programme of whom was quite clearly communicated before?! What does a party, a candidate have to say, NOT to be elected? Is "I will feed your children to my dogs and force all of you into marriage with my ugly and dementia ridden grandmother and order the military to burn down your houses and have you all starve, whilst eating fried chicken in front of your noses - but imagine how great you will feel by comparison, if you by chance are none of the victims" enough? I don´t get, how it is possible, that there is practically no limit for what majorities can vote for - and not only in Argentina.
@redfront67077 ай бұрын
Praying for Argentina
@joelhicks54687 ай бұрын
I'm looking forward to seeing how Milei's ideas just don't work, the same way that they haven't worked anywhere else
@peregrintuk61977 ай бұрын
They are already not working because he did almost the opposite of what he claim in the campaign. All the actions taken aimed to destroy the middle class stealen their savings, increasing taxes and taking out subsidies. All the big companies are getting a massive wealth transfer from working class to their pockets and here we have an army of idiots doing "mental gimnastics" to justify all the decisions. Meanwhile, they attack domestic groups pointing them as the "cause of the problems and deficit", you can mention, public education, pension and retirements system, cultural subsidies, etc-
@luhan51236 ай бұрын
As an argentinian I'm happy someone who's not Argentinian is finally telling the story exactly as it is, as the disaster it is.
@manuelmanuel92486 ай бұрын
Libertarian paradise just like Haiti. No government.
@merrickbreckler51667 ай бұрын
Thank you for posting what you post.
@Mikkamel7 ай бұрын
This guy might get couped. I don't think they will end up with a GOOD government to replace him, but surely every Argentinian colonel is getting those vibes that the popular support is just like RIGHT THERE. It would be so easy, like picking up a coin.
@CC3GROUNDZERO7 ай бұрын
It would be nice to see Milei face the squad.
@ewchi-m4n0127 ай бұрын
Yeah, argentina will remain doomed forever lmao
@akai49427 ай бұрын
The military supports him. The previous government defunded the military, and milei gave them some money back.
@ewchi-m4n0127 ай бұрын
@@akai4942 si, hay milei para rato, les duelan a los zurdos, porque ya no van a seguir subsistiendo del dinero del qie trabaja
@matiastimm6 ай бұрын
@@akai4942 Indeed. Among other things, he's ordered the purchase of fighter planes. I am sure the starving children of El Chaco he always mentions will feel much better now.
@pietran58327 ай бұрын
I'm Argentinian and hated Milei for years. Some time ago Milei being the president was a joke so absurd that no one would think of it. The thing that hurts me the most is the destruction of science and education. All national universities anounced that with the budget that Milei gave them they won't be able to work after april. I just want to study maths and don't have to worry about my university or the whole field I wanna work on being destroyed.
@martin_h1447 ай бұрын
Hopefully people realize how terrible these libertarian ideas are. In less than two months of government, prices gone up and buying basic things is getting more and more expensive (even some products like milk from the same brand are 2 times the price of december)... if you add the inflation we had the past years, the situation is tough... As always, good video 👍 I realize this channel researches before making this content
@drewm99037 ай бұрын
Like I said, I don't wanna denigrate libertarians but some handful of libertarians prove to be useful idiots for global elites to just dismantle existing governing systems (regardless if you like them or hate them) so they can roll in a global one of neoliberal austerity in place.
@sulimanthemagnificent48937 ай бұрын
Yeah but that's just the real prices (bar price controls) showing themselves. And one does not recover from a catastrophic economic fireball quickly, look at the post world war one depression (By far the largest economic contraction in United States history), it was over in 18 months after sane management (without Milei's dictatorial powers), the bulk of it amounted to fiscal policy (Argentina's biggest problem) funnily enough. We'll see if his ideas function in the modern world though (one without a gold back currency and large, effectively state sponsored corporate entities vying for control over economic resources of foreign nations).
@matiastimm6 ай бұрын
@@sulimanthemagnificent4893, problem is, if we consider European prices "real", Argentinian salaries should also be "real", which they aren't, and won't be if he manages to slash labor laws as he wishes to do.
@s.s.855 ай бұрын
Seriously though, just look at Milei's face at the video thumbnail. He looks like a supervillain and acts like one, too. Why do people keep electing comically, cartoonishly evil, deranged-looking villains into office?
@satevo4627 ай бұрын
Seeking an "intervention" from the IMF is like getting a car title loan to pay your rent.
@johnphillips59932 ай бұрын
Milei: HEY COMMIES * CRASHES THE ECONOMY *
@KatharineOsborne7 ай бұрын
He looks like he could be portrayed by a coked-up Jason Bateman.
@Megaghost_7 ай бұрын
If his decree and law proposal are approved Argentina will be forever condemned to poverty and subjugation. The situation was already quite bad, but this is the final nail in the coffin. Reversing the damage would take years if not decades, and a lot of struggle too.
@SIZModig7 ай бұрын
I did not expect to see a politician cosplaying, whoa
@guaridadelsapo6 ай бұрын
Argentinian here. I love your content on Second thought, never thought i'd see you covering my country. Thank you.
@vivalaleta7 ай бұрын
Milei is a psychopath.
@omegahaxors9-117 ай бұрын
Oh my god. He's French. That explains everything.
@TheForeignersNetwork7 ай бұрын
He's actually not French, I have no idea where they got that information. His father is of Italian descent and his mother is of Croatian descent.
@user-qi6pv9jh7o7 ай бұрын
It's FRINGE And Red Flood French politicians are better.
@genuscorvid4 ай бұрын
@@TheForeignersNetwork The word was "fringe", not French.
@krackalgleason47467 ай бұрын
Is this a foreshadowing of things to come in the US?
@luisdavidllense22936 ай бұрын
They get what they've voted for. Just like we get what we vote for here. It's all about voter quality. Nowadays at an all-time low.
@JohnDoe-uc5iu7 ай бұрын
i heard someone say argentina will become the worlds first 4th world country and i havent stopped thinking about it
@tonttu79797 ай бұрын
I think Libya might have gotten there first post-Gaddafi
@TheForeignersNetwork7 ай бұрын
Argentina is not going to become a fourth world country, for god's sake. Fourth world countries consist of hunter gatherers and subsistence farmers... Venezuela is closer to that than Argentina is 🙄
@KILLERONROAD7 ай бұрын
Capitalist nation: "Capitalism isn't working, let's do more capitalism!"
@Sillypenguinfake7 ай бұрын
You should explain the relationship between height and economic growth, as it really isn't ovbious at first.
@1fareast147 ай бұрын
malnutrition stunts growth
@covfefe17873 ай бұрын
its a fallacy Corrolation does not equal causation. The Dutch are taller than the Germans yet the Germans are wealtheir than the Dutch. The Swiss are shorter than the Dutch and yet the Swiss are shorter. Hieght is determined by Genetics not wealth. only in Africa and North Korea would that comparison would work and its a terrible meaningless comparison at that.
@ChannelMath7 ай бұрын
If you haven't seen the recent drama "Argentina 1985", it's fantastic and inspiring
@matiastimm6 ай бұрын
I hope Milei (and Macri, and Caputo, and so many others) get imprisoned as well, eventually. That Cavallo is not in jail is a terrible injustice.
@donHooligan7 ай бұрын
same way Ukraine did...
@ChannelMath7 ай бұрын
tbf, Milei did say it was gonna get worse if he was elected, before it get's better. The "bitter pill" idea. Also "self-styled economist"? No, he can say he's an economist (not that that should impress anyone)
@AlfredVodkin7 ай бұрын
A new Zelensky, he'll sell the whole country. Bravo !!!
@momo82007 ай бұрын
Not going into the economic mismanagement of the previous de Kirchner administrations or "Peronism", the most dominant political/economic ideology in Argentina for the last 70 plus years makes this video disingenuous, as it doesn't at all drive home why many Argentinians felt desperate enough to vote for an eccentric, to say the least person like Millei.
@CF49597 ай бұрын
Thank you J.T. I'm from Argentina and this video nailed it. Today there are going to be massive demonstrations. Milei is expected to be violent on us. But we will endure. We have the strenght to endure. I will be there. A lot of people will be there. People reading this, don't pray for my (our) safety. TAKE ACTION IN YOUR COUNTRIES. Confront neoliberalism, libertarianism, and the alt-right in your respective countries. Caring about your country's struggle, is caring about our struggle. We are all oppressed by the same boot. A people's success in any country is an inspiration to every country.
@AwesomeHairo7 ай бұрын
You're lying. You guys are literally blocking roads, and he is expected to do something about that so people can commute and get to work.
@lukephillips13316 ай бұрын
@@AwesomeHairothe libertarian wants people to respect public property…lmfao. y’all don’t even realize the hypocrisy you all shit out.
@danm.86346 ай бұрын
If you protest against him immediately after he was elected, you're not only against him, you're against the people of your country, since they chose him in the fist place, you're against democracy itself.
@michaeld48617 ай бұрын
Very informative and in-depth video, I love these longer video's that perhaps don't fit as well into the Second Thought style.
@lukemimnagh25947 ай бұрын
Im not surprised that they elected Mille, i am surprised how fast he tanked their econonmy.
@AwesomeHairo7 ай бұрын
Milei literally said things will get worse before it gets better. That's what shock therapy is.
@m0ntana1376 ай бұрын
This was incredibly informative, thank you!
@GENCHIKDAKOOLBOI5 ай бұрын
This is incredibly stupid. Milei raise Argentina's economics.
@mookinbabysealfurmittens7 ай бұрын
Hola. Yo no conozco ningún KZbinr ni podcast argentino. (Y no me gusta Clarín para nada, gracias.) Con el asunto de todo esto, es critical estar informado - con otros izquierdos, por supuesto. Alguien puede recomendarme sus favoritos o "los mejores"? Puedo entender si hablan español o inglés. Muchísimas gracias. (No he usado Google Translate ni nada. Lo siento que no escribe tan bien.)
@Megaghost_7 ай бұрын
Te puedo recomendar 2 canales de YT: "El Fundido" y "Café Millennial". Ahora El Fundido está haciendo unos podcasts semanales, pero en general el canal se enfoca en divulgar marxismo. Por otro lado, Café Millennial es una colaboración entre 2 youtubers (Pablo Borda y Café Kyoto, chequea esos canales de paso) que por el momento están de vacaciones, supongo que en marzo retoman el espacio.
@mookinbabysealfurmittens7 ай бұрын
@@Megaghost_ Voy a chequear ésos canales ahora! Muchísimas gracias! :)
@matiastimm6 ай бұрын
@@mookinbabysealfurmittens Te recomiendo también "Mate" (lo encontrás como @somosmatear).
@matiastimm6 ай бұрын
Y en inglés, para entender todo esto, es muy recomendable "The Alt-Right Playbook". Es una serie larga de videos que te explica los mecanismos que la derecha usa para radicalizar a la gente y para tomar el poder (lo que vimos pasar acá con el auge de los liberotarios y el increíble voto a Milei).
@sournois907 ай бұрын
argentina would be a hilarious circus if it weren't tragic for the people
@waxon27 ай бұрын
Business is a Pathology.
@kiltedcripple6 ай бұрын
Weird question: when the IMF is trying to pitch a bailout to these beleagured nations, what is the success story they sell them? To such country do they point and say "see, look how great the standard of living is here, how stable the economy... this is what we can do for you!"
@aluisious7 ай бұрын
I missed the part where you acknowledge that the working class idiotically voted for this guy. There will be no “class struggle” when the people are so easily misled.
@gosplan14607 ай бұрын
Socialism is slandered every step of the way, liberalism is called socialism, communism, leftism, and its failures to meet its own goals attributed to the same things it's called. Religion, nationalism, believing that reforming capitalism into something better is achievable instead of it still working according to the laws of the market economy, and moralism condemning communism as inherently evil. Just like feudal rule was justified in the middle ages by the church, nobles and God-fearing peasants, so capitalism is kept alive by the property owners, their allies, the state that works for their wellbeing and the people who believe that there is no way to create socialism, or that other ways to better life are preferable/easier. Looting another country, kicking down your fellow worker at the chance of becoming wealthier yourself, letting foreigners, women, etc. do the chump jobs and so on. The class struggle isn't something that either is done or isn't done. As long as class society exists, class struggle exists. Currently it's in a defensive phase for the proletariat, but it remains the revolutionary subject.
@borginburkes18197 ай бұрын
They voted for him cuz he’s a “based and redpilled Neo Nazi”
@gosplan14607 ай бұрын
@@QTwoSix Wow, did you learn that from children's television - or is that take of yours freshly from your own Indipendent thinker mind?
@maya07_117 ай бұрын
milei also had tons of broadcasting, of course the people are going to be influenced by propaganda
@adrianodrika7 ай бұрын
Here in Brazil we had the rhetoric of "letting the cake grow before sharing" during 64 dictatorship. We ended without cake or dough. Edit: our president is no longer Bolsonaro, Cher be praised.
@xxdarkassassinxx3587 ай бұрын
Don’t worry. It gets worse before it gets worse.
@andrewrockwell12827 ай бұрын
Thanks JT
@firstandlastaliv37 ай бұрын
I hope that Brazilians don't follow suit and do the same. Brazil could be the country to lead Latin America (If US.A stopped intervening with them, ofc) and Lula is gr8! Edit: typo
@gilsonrogeriolimaoliveira28077 ай бұрын
We did it before the argentinians. Thankfully, Brazil is too big to fail, but we almost got there.
@covfefe17873 ай бұрын
Lula is corrupt and is the most hated polictican in Brazil the only reason he was liked was because of the Oil Boom and his downfall was his administartion mismanagement of PETROBRAS
@reinapiratayquepaha7 ай бұрын
Incoming Milei fans foaming at their mouths because you dare to say so many lies about their perfect messiah.