Although I understand why you wouldn’t count Norman as Canon since there is only one of his class in real life and Dennis already exist. an argument could be made that the Thomas series doesn’t have to work off of how many of the class actually existed: just look at Talyllyn and Skarloey. Even with classes that are more numerous in numbers, Donald and Douglas are completely fictional add-ons
@SeaSwine92 ай бұрын
I think a magazine story solved Donald and Douglas's twinliness; they were built and rolled out of their workshops at the exact same time. Emily apparently caught them in 4k on her magic lantern
@SodorFan152 ай бұрын
Oh ok. I never really read the magazines so I don't know. Thanks!
@ReviCat2 ай бұрын
Twin engines are two steam locomotives that can be identical or non identical in any way, built the same year, same builder and with close classification numbers like Donald and Douglas.
@vanessasandoval962 ай бұрын
I got a joke who is the real Douglas Duncan’s twin or Donald twin So imagine Donald and Douglas meets Duncan who is also Scottish but narrow gauge
@ReviCat2 ай бұрын
@@vanessasandoval96 that's a narrow gauge engine with blue painted that works on the tallylyn railway, most of the skr's engine basis' come from there
@Thetrainbloke2 ай бұрын
My headcannon for Dennis and Norman co-existing is that Norman was made the same way as Old Shape Henry was, stolen plans of a prototype engine.
@SodorFan152 ай бұрын
Oh, I like that.
@TessfromKellstorpe2 ай бұрын
Mine is that they just do
@merlinandmurdoch78372 ай бұрын
I’ve had these same questions before, even for Mighty Mac, it’s almost easy to believe they are twins, if not for the fact they have different faces. Then for the 08’s, they were built all around the country, so maybe them having different faces is more understandable.
@vanessasandoval962 ай бұрын
Can you imagine if Mighty Mac could’ve reappeared in CGI with new whistles and also they could have the same argument just like Bill and Ben and Donald and Douglas
@heathertiplady2 ай бұрын
Personally, I think that the term "twin engines" refers to engines whose construction was completed at the same time, give or take a few minutes. Also, with most of the known twins in Thomas & Friends being separate engines, having different liveries can be used to emphasise the fact that each engine is to work for a different railway, as is the case with Skarloey and Rheneas (Skarloey Railway, Sodor) and Talyllyn and Dolgoch (Talyllyn Railway, Wales).
@vanessasandoval962 ай бұрын
If Skarloey and Rheneas are brothers then that makes Tallylynn and Dolgoch brothers too
@vanessasandoval962 ай бұрын
So that explains why they’re called Tally-Twins heh get it Red Rheneas more like Red-neas Sir Handel can handle it Why is Peter Sam twin called Edward Thomas because it’s got rotating face of Edward and Thomas Who is the actual Douglas Duncan ‘s twin or Donald twin Why is Luke twin name Peter Pan because Luke could meet Disney fairy like Tinker Bell
@RatioedByMax2 ай бұрын
Great video! One thing to mention is that Donald is, as you said, 57646, but Douglas is actually 57647, not 57645. I also think that with twin engines, they are built at the exact same time, together. And yes, the correct term for Mighty-Mac would be conjoined twins. Sorry for the long comment, but this video was great! Keep up the good work
@SodorFan152 ай бұрын
Thanks a lot! I don't mind long comments, all the more to hear from others.
@Daddy_donaldanddouglas2 ай бұрын
In my HC twins basically work like this: engines are the same class and completed in the same week (at most)
@jaanshersaeed45412 ай бұрын
It seems like engines of the same class would be considered twins if being built and completed around the same time so we can say that’s the case for Donald and Douglas as well as Bill and Ben, Gordon going by the RWS wouldn’t be considered a twin to Flying Scotsman due to being built before him and same with 1875 built Stepney and 1872 built Fenchurch but with Billy and Charlie as of right now we don’t know if they were built at the same or different times so we can’t say for sure if they’d be considered twins or brothers to each other
@SodorFan152 ай бұрын
Honestly, I completely forgot to put Billy and Charlie on here. Thanks for the comment.
@Z3pH4x2 ай бұрын
Wow how did i find this through "AHOY, BILL AND BEN"
@vanessasandoval962 ай бұрын
Favorite episodes of Bill and Ben and Donald and Douglas are twin trouble and buffet bother because of the argument and also Donald and Bill crash into the buffer going backwards
@SouperGoose6217 күн бұрын
My dyslexic ahh read the title as 'how do engines twerk" at first 😭😭😭 good video
@ThomasThegrapesodatrain6 күн бұрын
I’m just imagining Donald and Douglas met in like the same shipment like together and then they were like “oh we’re pretty similar so let’s be brothers” 😂
@warsthemarvel86082 ай бұрын
With Norman and Dennis I like to believe post S12 and Pre Nitrogen Dennis was repainted and renamed into a different character similar to Sir Handle (Falcon) and Peter Sam (Stuart). So technically Norman is Dennis just overhauled, repainted and renamed.
@SodorFan152 ай бұрын
I'd like to agree, but Dennis lacks Norman's unibrow. Other than that, there's not much to dismiss your theory. Thanks for the comment!
@warsthemarvel86082 ай бұрын
@@SodorFan15 true! But Terence’s face looks a little different in CGI than the Classic model version.
@ReviCat2 ай бұрын
Because they can't co exist only one member of their class were built
@merlinandmurdoch78372 ай бұрын
@@ReviCatThat applies to almost every character, notably Donald, Douglas and Bear.
@ReviCat2 ай бұрын
@@merlinandmurdoch7837 and in the real world some characters were scrapped like Edward Thomas and Hurricane
@Duck_GWR_82 ай бұрын
The fact that in the case of Mighty Mac one is older could refer to a german thing because they sometimes took 2 engines and connected their caps so they might once have been 2 seperated engines and got joined later in life
@splendidwolf4422 ай бұрын
Always wondered how twins worked. Great video as always!
@SodorFan152 ай бұрын
Thank you!
@splendidwolf4422 ай бұрын
Anytime bud :3
@tjmfarming95842 ай бұрын
Here's how id explain twin vehicles: 1. When a company orders 2 engines of the same type, at the same time, those engines, therefore, would be constructed as part of the same order. For engines like Donald & Douglas, Bill and Ben, etc. They'd therefore be fired up for the first time at the same time. Therefore, the same manufacturer, same design, and completed construction at the same time, would give the illusion of being twins, when in actual fact the proper term would be siblings, tho it's up to the engines themselves whether they refer to each other as twins or not. 2. As for the class 08's, it'd make sense for Splatter & Dodge/Arry & Bert to be class 13's. However because the diesel era brought about the production line of constructinv locomotives, A&B/S&D would simply have rolled off the production line at the same time in pairs, should the Class 13 headcanon be false. This same method applies to Max & Monty, rolling off the production line as part of the same batch, at the same time. The same can be applied to cars, busses, tractors, and other offroad vehicles. The rest of the time, while such vehicles would be identical, if they weren't built at the same time, place, etc. They'd technically just refer to each other as siblings.
@StationFilms123452 ай бұрын
I just believe any engine that is built on the same workshop and it's finished on the same day not time day is a twin
@vincentmorris84312 ай бұрын
While Donald's LMS number would be 17646, that's actually held by a Caledonian class 30. I've been tinkering making an OC of a LSWR G16, but regarding if I'll number it, while its latest was 495, 496 belongs to the S15.
@SodorFan152 ай бұрын
Cool!
@MacsensRailway2 ай бұрын
I think if they have the same face and body at the same times there twins But different faces like Gordon and Scotsman means they are brother/sister
@randomstufliker22 ай бұрын
I once heard, albeit in a fan series, that twins are defined as engines were built together, worked together and grew up together (and being the same class of engine, though that was implied). That doesn't really work for Skarloey and Talyllyn but Skarloey, being who he is, probably just finds it fun to say that he has a twin. "One out of three isn't bad!"
@SodorFan152 ай бұрын
Yea, he would do that.
@ciarangleeson28802 ай бұрын
Now that I think of it, should Skarloey, Rheneas, Talyllyn and Dolgoch not be quadruplets?
@ciarangleeson28802 ай бұрын
Also, should we not take Jennings AND Smudger AND the ghost engine into account?
@SodorFan152 ай бұрын
@@ciarangleeson2880 I don't thinks so, because while built by the same person, they are two different types. Like how Gordon and Spencer are cousins. They have the same designer, but are different locomotives.
@SodorFan152 ай бұрын
@@ciarangleeson2880 Well, they are never stated to be twins to Skarloey and Rheneas, but they are probably siblings.
@jamesthebluecat126322 күн бұрын
Donald & Douglas Bill & Ben Arry & Bert Splatter & Dodge Bash & Dash Max & Monty Pip & Emma Annie & Clarabel Hellen & Victoria Billy & Charlie Dennis & Norman Mighty Mac & Little Giant Duke & Bertram Spencer & Mallard Skarloey & Talliclyn Smudger & Rhenaus Paxton & Sydney Wilbert & 16
@Ricardocomics142 ай бұрын
Great video! First time i see someone discussing this topic in the TTTE universe. I think engines are twins because they are part of the same class. For example, Thomas is a E2 Class engine, and all the other members of this class are they're brothers and, therefore, also twins. Or Gordon and his Doncaster brothers, like Flying Scotsman. The fact pretty much all of them have the same basis and were built around the same time makes them not only brothers but also twins imo.
@harrisonallen6512 ай бұрын
Max and Monty: are we a joke to you?
@SodorFan152 ай бұрын
IDK, I'm not a truck guy.
@Skyehye31132 ай бұрын
To be twins in Thomas and friends you have to be built on the same day and be the same class
@kodabear28562 ай бұрын
I think that engines of the same class in general are going to look alike because they have all the same features, builds etc. i don’t think engines have to be built and come out of the works at the same time, but they just look identical because they’re the same type of engine. For example, Donald and Douglas’ other siblings might’ve looked just like them too, simply because they’re all 652s. Or Gordon and the Flying Scotsman (if you look at the railway series)
@SodorFan152 ай бұрын
Well Gordon and Flying Scotsman are stated to be brothers, but it's never said that they are twins.
@kodabear28562 ай бұрын
@@SodorFan15 I get what you’re saying, and I honestly think that’s most likely because Gordon and Flying Scotsman had different rebuilds, Gordon’s being at Crew, and Scotsman’s at Doncaster. So visually, they look different now, but I don’t think that means that they weren’t twins at some point, same thing with the rest of Gordon’s brothers. This goes back to what I was saying about Donald and Douglas, yeah we know they’re twins and have a close relationship, but we have to remember they weren’t the only ones from their class built. And as we all know, engines that come from the same class are going to look identical, being built at the same time/being released from the works wouldn’t really matter. It’s like what Tugs said about diesel being one out of many class 08s, a CLONE army. That probably explains too why engines value having names over just numbers because jr gives them their own identity, instead of being just one out of many other engines from their class. If that makes sense.
@SodorFan152 ай бұрын
@@kodabear2856 Yea, good point.
@terencewilliammckenna61212 ай бұрын
Splatter & Dodge
@Build-On56024 күн бұрын
Id say its just the same class as gordon and flying scotsman say that their brother's
@jeremiahsisaias86772 ай бұрын
Some other SKR engines could have twins like Skarloey and Rheneas. Examples: Sir Handel, Peter Sam, Duncan and Duke. The only twin characters in Thomas other than Arry and Bert, Donald and Douglas and Bill and Ben that have different details that I can recall when looking at them more closely have been Splatter and Dodge, Bash and Dash (except Ferdinand), Max and Monty, Marcia and Marcio and I guess Connor and Caitlin. What about triplets like The Horrid lorries?
@vanessasandoval962 ай бұрын
So the Narrow Gauge engines can have their twins in real life called Tallylynn railway
@jeremiahsisaias86772 ай бұрын
@@vanessasandoval96Sir Handel has Sir Hayden, Peter Sam has Edward Thomas, Duncan has Douglas and Duke has some which I can't remember the spelling of their names but 1 one of them was the inspiration for "Bulldog".
@SodorFan152 ай бұрын
The thing about Sir Handel and Peter Sam is that they weren't the only members of they're class. To my knowledge there were at least three of each built in real life. Connor and Caitlin however are different classes altogether.
A hump yard is a yard where rolling stock is sorted by pushing cars up a hill, or as they are called humps, and letting gravity roll them down the other side. They are directed by a yardmaster who switches points to guide the goods to they're assigned train.
@onetrackmind35582 ай бұрын
@@ciarangleeson2880 thanks
@onetrackmind35582 ай бұрын
@@ciarangleeson2880 thanks
@onetrackmind35582 ай бұрын
@@SodorFan15 and the master and slave units were used there?
@mispinchergamings34702 күн бұрын
Think like they biuld by same person. Or same train model or models. Ever seen Thomas theoriest yotube channel. He tells it prefect. He have series where go to all family tress in thimaa. Talking new idea of video.
@SodorFan152 күн бұрын
Yes. In fact seeing those videos raised the question in my mind that led to this video.
@jamesm66382 ай бұрын
It ain't that deep bro
@javielalvarez54592 ай бұрын
Didn’t The Fat Controller(aka)Sir Topham Hatt have a twin?! They forgot about him! Only his twin brother had a mustache!
@jeremiahsisaias86772 ай бұрын
Lowham Hatt
@SodorFan152 ай бұрын
I didn't mention him because he's a human twin. And everyone knows how they're possible.