How do twin engines work in Thomas and Friends?

[@Mr.Conductor13]

Although I understand why you wouldn’t count Norman as Canon since there is only one of his class in real life and Dennis already exist. an argument could be made that the Thomas series doesn’t have to work off of how many of the class actually existed: just look at Talyllyn and Skarloey. Even with classes that are more numerous in numbers, Donald and Douglas are completely fictional add-ons

[@SeaSwine9]

I think a magazine story solved Donald and Douglas's twinliness; they were built and rolled out of their workshops at the exact same time. Emily apparently caught them in 4k on her magic lantern

[@SodorFan15]

Oh ok. I never really read the magazines so I don't know. Thanks!

[@ReviCat]

Twin engines are two steam locomotives that can be identical or non identical in any way, built the same year, same builder and with close classification numbers like Donald and Douglas.

[@vanessasandoval96]

I got a joke who is the real Douglas Duncan’s twin or Donald twin So imagine Donald and Douglas meets Duncan who is also Scottish but narrow gauge

[@ReviCat]

@@vanessasandoval96 that's a narrow gauge engine with blue painted that works on the tallylyn railway, most of the skr's engine basis' come from there

[@Thetrainbloke]

My headcannon for Dennis and Norman co-existing is that Norman was made the same way as Old Shape Henry was, stolen plans of a prototype engine.

[@SodorFan15]

Oh, I like that.

[@TessfromKellstorpe]

Mine is that they just do

[@merlinandmurdoch7837]

I’ve had these same questions before, even for Mighty Mac, it’s almost easy to believe they are twins, if not for the fact they have different faces. Then for the 08’s, they were built all around the country, so maybe them having different faces is more understandable.

[@vanessasandoval96]

Can you imagine if Mighty Mac could’ve reappeared in CGI with new whistles and also they could have the same argument just like Bill and Ben and Donald and Douglas

[@heathertiplady]

Personally, I think that the term "twin engines" refers to engines whose construction was completed at the same time, give or take a few minutes. Also, with most of the known twins in Thomas & Friends being separate engines, having different liveries can be used to emphasise the fact that each engine is to work for a different railway, as is the case with Skarloey and Rheneas (Skarloey Railway, Sodor) and Talyllyn and Dolgoch (Talyllyn Railway, Wales).

[@vanessasandoval96]

If Skarloey and Rheneas are brothers then that makes Tallylynn and Dolgoch brothers too

[@vanessasandoval96]

So that explains why they’re called Tally-Twins heh get it Red Rheneas more like Red-neas Sir Handel can handle it Why is Peter Sam twin called Edward Thomas because it’s got rotating face of Edward and Thomas Who is the actual Douglas Duncan ‘s twin or Donald twin Why is Luke twin name Peter Pan because Luke could meet Disney fairy like Tinker Bell

[@RatioedByMax]

Great video! One thing to mention is that Donald is, as you said, 57646, but Douglas is actually 57647, not 57645. I also think that with twin engines, they are built at the exact same time, together. And yes, the correct term for Mighty-Mac would be conjoined twins. Sorry for the long comment, but this video was great! Keep up the good work

[@SodorFan15]

Thanks a lot! I don't mind long comments, all the more to hear from others.

[@Daddy_donaldanddouglas]

In my HC twins basically work like this: engines are the same class and completed in the same week (at most)

[@jaanshersaeed4541]

It seems like engines of the same class would be considered twins if being built and completed around the same time so we can say that’s the case for Donald and Douglas as well as Bill and Ben, Gordon going by the RWS wouldn’t be considered a twin to Flying Scotsman due to being built before him and same with 1875 built Stepney and 1872 built Fenchurch but with Billy and Charlie as of right now we don’t know if they were built at the same or different times so we can’t say for sure if they’d be considered twins or brothers to each other

[@SodorFan15]

Honestly, I completely forgot to put Billy and Charlie on here. Thanks for the comment.

[@Z3pH4x]

Wow how did i find this through "AHOY, BILL AND BEN"

[@vanessasandoval96]

Favorite episodes of Bill and Ben and Donald and Douglas are twin trouble and buffet bother because of the argument and also Donald and Bill crash into the buffer going backwards

[@SouperGoose62]

My dyslexic ahh read the title as 'how do engines twerk" at first 😭😭😭 good video

[@ThomasThegrapesodatrain]

I’m just imagining Donald and Douglas met in like the same shipment like together and then they were like “oh we’re pretty similar so let’s be brothers” 😂

[@warsthemarvel8608]

With Norman and Dennis I like to believe post S12 and Pre Nitrogen Dennis was repainted and renamed into a different character similar to Sir Handle (Falcon) and Peter Sam (Stuart). So technically Norman is Dennis just overhauled, repainted and renamed.

[@SodorFan15]

I'd like to agree, but Dennis lacks Norman's unibrow. Other than that, there's not much to dismiss your theory. Thanks for the comment!

[@warsthemarvel8608]

@@SodorFan15 true! But Terence’s face looks a little different in CGI than the Classic model version.

[@ReviCat]

Because they can't co exist only one member of their class were built

[@merlinandmurdoch7837]

@@ReviCatThat applies to almost every character, notably Donald, Douglas and Bear.

[@ReviCat]

@@merlinandmurdoch7837 and in the real world some characters were scrapped like Edward Thomas and Hurricane

[@Duck_GWR_8]

The fact that in the case of Mighty Mac one is older could refer to a german thing because they sometimes took 2 engines and connected their caps so they might once have been 2 seperated engines and got joined later in life

[@splendidwolf442]

Always wondered how twins worked. Great video as always!

[@SodorFan15]

Thank you!

[@splendidwolf442]

Anytime bud :3

[@tjmfarming9584]

Here's how id explain twin vehicles: 1. When a company orders 2 engines of the same type, at the same time, those engines, therefore, would be constructed as part of the same order. For engines like Donald & Douglas, Bill and Ben, etc. They'd therefore be fired up for the first time at the same time. Therefore, the same manufacturer, same design, and completed construction at the same time, would give the illusion of being twins, when in actual fact the proper term would be siblings, tho it's up to the engines themselves whether they refer to each other as twins or not. 2. As for the class 08's, it'd make sense for Splatter & Dodge/Arry & Bert to be class 13's. However because the diesel era brought about the production line of constructinv locomotives, A&B/S&D would simply have rolled off the production line at the same time in pairs, should the Class 13 headcanon be false. This same method applies to Max & Monty, rolling off the production line as part of the same batch, at the same time. The same can be applied to cars, busses, tractors, and other offroad vehicles. The rest of the time, while such vehicles would be identical, if they weren't built at the same time, place, etc. They'd technically just refer to each other as siblings.

[@StationFilms12345]

I just believe any engine that is built on the same workshop and it's finished on the same day not time day is a twin

[@vincentmorris8431]

While Donald's LMS number would be 17646, that's actually held by a Caledonian class 30. I've been tinkering making an OC of a LSWR G16, but regarding if I'll number it, while its latest was 495, 496 belongs to the S15.

[@SodorFan15]

Cool!

[@MacsensRailway]

I think if they have the same face and body at the same times there twins But different faces like Gordon and Scotsman means they are brother/sister

[@randomstufliker2]

I once heard, albeit in a fan series, that twins are defined as engines were built together, worked together and grew up together (and being the same class of engine, though that was implied). That doesn't really work for Skarloey and Talyllyn but Skarloey, being who he is, probably just finds it fun to say that he has a twin. "One out of three isn't bad!"

[@SodorFan15]

Yea, he would do that.

[@ciarangleeson2880]

Now that I think of it, should Skarloey, Rheneas, Talyllyn and Dolgoch not be quadruplets?

[@ciarangleeson2880]

Also, should we not take Jennings AND Smudger AND the ghost engine into account?

[@SodorFan15]

@@ciarangleeson2880 I don't thinks so, because while built by the same person, they are two different types. Like how Gordon and Spencer are cousins. They have the same designer, but are different locomotives.

[@SodorFan15]

@@ciarangleeson2880 Well, they are never stated to be twins to Skarloey and Rheneas, but they are probably siblings.

[@jamesthebluecat1263]

Donald & Douglas Bill & Ben Arry & Bert Splatter & Dodge Bash & Dash Max & Monty Pip & Emma Annie & Clarabel Hellen & Victoria Billy & Charlie Dennis & Norman Mighty Mac & Little Giant Duke & Bertram Spencer & Mallard Skarloey & Talliclyn Smudger & Rhenaus Paxton & Sydney Wilbert & 16

[@Ricardocomics14]

Great video! First time i see someone discussing this topic in the TTTE universe. I think engines are twins because they are part of the same class. For example, Thomas is a E2 Class engine, and all the other members of this class are they're brothers and, therefore, also twins. Or Gordon and his Doncaster brothers, like Flying Scotsman. The fact pretty much all of them have the same basis and were built around the same time makes them not only brothers but also twins imo.

[@harrisonallen651]

Max and Monty: are we a joke to you?

[@SodorFan15]

IDK, I'm not a truck guy.

[@Skyehye3113]

To be twins in Thomas and friends you have to be built on the same day and be the same class

[@kodabear2856]

I think that engines of the same class in general are going to look alike because they have all the same features, builds etc. i don’t think engines have to be built and come out of the works at the same time, but they just look identical because they’re the same type of engine. For example, Donald and Douglas’ other siblings might’ve looked just like them too, simply because they’re all 652s. Or Gordon and the Flying Scotsman (if you look at the railway series)

[@SodorFan15]

Well Gordon and Flying Scotsman are stated to be brothers, but it's never said that they are twins.

[@kodabear2856]

@@SodorFan15 I get what you’re saying, and I honestly think that’s most likely because Gordon and Flying Scotsman had different rebuilds, Gordon’s being at Crew, and Scotsman’s at Doncaster. So visually, they look different now, but I don’t think that means that they weren’t twins at some point, same thing with the rest of Gordon’s brothers. This goes back to what I was saying about Donald and Douglas, yeah we know they’re twins and have a close relationship, but we have to remember they weren’t the only ones from their class built. And as we all know, engines that come from the same class are going to look identical, being built at the same time/being released from the works wouldn’t really matter. It’s like what Tugs said about diesel being one out of many class 08s, a CLONE army. That probably explains too why engines value having names over just numbers because jr gives them their own identity, instead of being just one out of many other engines from their class. If that makes sense.

[@SodorFan15]

@@kodabear2856 Yea, good point.

[@terencewilliammckenna6121]

Splatter & Dodge

[@Build-On560]

Id say its just the same class as gordon and flying scotsman say that their brother's

[@jeremiahsisaias8677]

Some other SKR engines could have twins like Skarloey and Rheneas. Examples: Sir Handel, Peter Sam, Duncan and Duke. The only twin characters in Thomas other than Arry and Bert, Donald and Douglas and Bill and Ben that have different details that I can recall when looking at them more closely have been Splatter and Dodge, Bash and Dash (except Ferdinand), Max and Monty, Marcia and Marcio and I guess Connor and Caitlin. What about triplets like The Horrid lorries?

[@vanessasandoval96]

So the Narrow Gauge engines can have their twins in real life called Tallylynn railway

[@jeremiahsisaias8677]

@@vanessasandoval96Sir Handel has Sir Hayden, Peter Sam has Edward Thomas, Duncan has Douglas and Duke has some which I can't remember the spelling of their names but 1 one of them was the inspiration for "Bulldog".

[@SodorFan15]

The thing about Sir Handel and Peter Sam is that they weren't the only members of they're class. To my knowledge there were at least three of each built in real life. Connor and Caitlin however are different classes altogether.

[@vanessasandoval96]

@@SodorFan15 yes I know that

[@ciarangleeson2880]

You forgot Annie and Clarabel.

[@onetrackmind3558]

What are hump yards?

[@ciarangleeson2880]

en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Classification_yard#Hump_yard

[@SodorFan15]

A hump yard is a yard where rolling stock is sorted by pushing cars up a hill, or as they are called humps, and letting gravity roll them down the other side. They are directed by a yardmaster who switches points to guide the goods to they're assigned train.

[@onetrackmind3558]

@@ciarangleeson2880 thanks

[@onetrackmind3558]

@@ciarangleeson2880 thanks

[@onetrackmind3558]

@@SodorFan15 and the master and slave units were used there?

[@mispinchergamings3470]

Think like they biuld by same person. Or same train model or models. Ever seen Thomas theoriest yotube channel. He tells it prefect. He have series where go to all family tress in thimaa. Talking new idea of video.

[@SodorFan15]

Yes. In fact seeing those videos raised the question in my mind that led to this video.

[@jamesm6638]

It ain't that deep bro

[@javielalvarez5459]

Didn’t The Fat Controller(aka)Sir Topham Hatt have a twin?! They forgot about him! Only his twin brother had a mustache!

[@jeremiahsisaias8677]

Lowham Hatt

[@SodorFan15]

I didn't mention him because he's a human twin. And everyone knows how they're possible.