How do you penalise a team without penalising the driver?

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How do we penalise a team without penalising the driver, and vice versa? Let's get hypothetical
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[@yoshifan04]

*”And all teams will have to have Grosjean at some point.”* i’m actually crying

[@Al93271]

But maybe, that wouldn't actually be that bad, Grosjean is much better now. He made a really good overtake around the outside on Giovinazzi in the 2019 Japanese Grand Prix, and his early DNF in the 2019 Russian Grand Prix, in my opinion, was only partly his fault, as I think it's the fault of all three who were involved in the early crash (Grosjean, Giovinazzi and Ricciardo (“I was like, sandwich between two cars!”)).

[@thibaudduhamel2581]

Still more podiums than Hulkenberg ;)

[@lemmyboy4107]

@@Al93271 its gro man noone want him in his team. Haas only still got him bcs he has nudes from Günther. 100%fact no sarcasm at all /s

[@user-op4tf9tv9u]

I have to note that Chain Bear still put Grosjean to 4th place among drivers at 11:24

[@namefinder]

I spat out my drink 😂

[@TheRacoonGhost]

start of video: this is ridi... end of video: Comrad Chain Bear does have a point.

[@davidp.7620]

I don't think so. He's basically made cheating free!

[@StefanVeenstra]

@@davidp.7620 Explain.

[@davidp.7620]

@@StefanVeenstra If a driver is fighting for the championship, he can rely on the team getting small advantages by cheating

[@andreasmangs3131]

"a point" pun intended?

[@TheRacoonGhost]

@@andreasmangs3131 not originally but definatly now that i se it ;)

[@rubenschoenmakers5426]

The ending of this video was just beyond genius.

[@cathallawlor989]

Does anyone have a idea of the song name?

[@gabor6259]

Did you notice the last 3 patrons had Russian names?

[@Hakan-Firat]

@@cathallawlor989 from russia with love

[@cathallawlor989]

@@Hakan-Firat thanks a lot :)

[@sebastianahrens2385]

@@Hakan-Firat By who? There's a million different songs with that title.

[@louiswoodward8937]

"They say there are no bad ideas. They are wrong" - Chain Bear, 2019

[@wyattroncin941]

how correct he is. any idea other than ☭1 is a bad idea.

[@chappyhall6682]

I’m literally dying right now, that ending, also poor Grosjean.

[@Hofftari]

Literally dying means that you are actually dying.

[@chappyhall6682]

Hofftari correct

[@Shaun.Stephens]

RIP

[@MaltaLumpie]

Rest in peace my dude, say hi to senna for me

[@ericmueser6950]

Since he's dead and won't have a chance to read this, I should take this time to warn everyone about how you should use the word "literally" correctly, or everyone on the internet with think you're dumbass.

[@Conservator.]

I support comrade Chain Bear all the way!

[@Werder-zw7hu]

Lmao. Nice one

[@andrewmilici1779]

Viva!

[@excaliburgt4537]

Viva la revolution comrades!!

[@mrwalter1049]

Tavarisch Chain Bear is a great man.

[@oliverjamesspicer]

Cool idea. "Valtteri, it's Guenther".

[@TheVeyron623]

"Valtteri, it's Guenther. I'm ordering you not to crash into your teammate. Don't make us look like fucking vankers."

[@Denes2005]

Giovi..., Gio... Giovina..., Giovi-n-a-z-z-i, it’s James

[@romanbaranovichi5375]

The last idea was genuinely wild

[@julidgoe7554]

Roman Baranovichi it kind of blew my mind.. I would‘ve never thought something like this... I don’t want it in a real season But it would actually be pretty interesting to see what‘s going to happen

[@elmurcis1]

It would be crazy and it would never happen but..... I would really love to see that in parallel world. If time would be limited to just few practice sessions, how good or bad driver could adapt to new car each weekend (and how good or bad team could adapt car to driver that is right there... on the track... trying to figure out what starting setup to prepare best... )

[@Christoph5782]

Roman Baranovichi Formula W kinda does that as every race the drivers rotate chassis and race engineers, so it's not all that far fetched of an idea

[@bendtfender2894]

@@Christoph5782 Yeah but they have equal machinery.

[@garrettcrayton4493]

I honestly think the best part of the idea is the reverse grid for the 21st race

[@avaton9673]

I actually fell in love with this guy VIVA LA REVOLUCION

[@SilverScarletSpider]

Richard Xx His nose is quite exemplary.

[@TheJokerit19]

VIVA LA RESISTANCE.

[@JontysCorner]

"When has F1 ever done thIngs simply? I'll tell you when, NEVER!" - F1 in a nutshell but Stuart Taylor

[@Dazza-ut1hw]

Hey Jonty

[@Raycevick]

Whelp, I'm turning Formula All into a screenplay now.

[@Raycevick]

@@sbef Appreciate that, thank you!

[@davham27]

I've always wanted to see the driver's driving different cars. To see if like Hamilton could wrestle a Williams into the points. Lol

[@matheuscirillo36]

He's one of the best, but he's not any type of god who can do miracles

[@registrado54]

Not even a combination made in heaven of hamilton, Prost and senna can take that car into the points

[@funtastisch5]

Kubica did (theoretically) so I assume he is a made in heaven?

[@PPedroFernandes]

@@funtastisch5 when a bunch of other crashed...

[@matheuscirillo36]

@@funtastisch5 of course, the guy died twice and is still running, he went to the heaven and came back.

[@nhancao4790]

Chainbear has a human face? I thought he is a mechanoid bear robot.

[@Conservator.]

That’s what AR does for you. But in reality he’s (it?) still a mechanics bear robot 😁

[@ApothecaryTerry]

In communist Chain Bearia, robot control person!

[@markhenley3097]

He seems to have some mechanical tattoo though.

[@willsee7452]

That's a mechanized interpretation of the actual Chain Bear.

[@TheHobatron]

It's alright, for years I thought Mr. Sunday Movies was a goat-man.

[@JEZZ7]

"They called me a madman." - Chain Bear

[@KayDizzelVids]

”And all teams will have to have Grosjean at some point.” Romain Grosjean: "Sounds fair"

[@matthewvanoirschot6076]

Lmao look at the order he used for the reverse grid... 1. Verstappen 2. Hamilton 3. Leclerc *4. Grosjean* 5. Vettel

[@hoder4857]

Viva La ReBearlucion! Missed that opportunity. Corrected it for you

[@jimh.8138]

I’ve waited 75 years for your “Formula All” idea in some racing venue but it ain’t happened yet. Sure would like to see it just once before I die though! 😳

[@inversegalaxy8320]

Jim H. Have a look at formula w

[@thomas4233]

@@inversegalaxy8320 the name is w series but yes

[@TheLocalHobo]

F2, F3 and W Series are all spec so all the cars on the grid are the same. But only in W Series do the drivers rotate between the cars

[@jimh.8138]

Thanks!!! Now I can die happy, lol.

[@JoeRSB]

@@jimh.8138 Jaguar I-Pace eTrophy rotates race engineers every race too, and identical cars, so it's partially there

[@Dumbo8234]

Drivers are part of a team, if they screw up, the team suffers. If the team screws up, the driver suffers. Imagine a football referee saying, "I won't give a penalty because it would be unfair to punish 10 players for one players mistake." You win as a team, you lose as a team.

[@bigsav1984]

Jonathan Stummer couldn’t have said it better myself, part of winning is getting the right people around you. Mercedes wouldn’t win anything with couple of crappy pay drivers and Hamilton wouldn’t be a 5 times champ driving a McLaren

[@gautambose5200]

Yes 100%. While I do find the concept of all the drivers rotating teams interesting, I do agree that one of the things that makes F1 great is the fact that the teams are still very much sporting teams even though they have all the workings of a corporation (HR, Legal, Business, R&D, etc.). Win as a team, lose as a team. The punishments are actually brilliant given that they affect both driver and team. Even a 10K fine for a team -> that's 10k less resources you get spent on on the things that make your car fast.

[@dillonkian559]

yes agree for what is a team without a team?

[@alazrabed]

Yes, the reciprocal commitment of drivers and teams is interesting and here to stay in F1. But this doesn't mean it's a principle that has to be immutable, no matter the discipline, until the end of times. If you take football and allow players to touch the ball with their hands, you end up with another discipline, involving a different complex of abilities and depending on a different mapping of strategies. It's not necessarily better or worse, it's just different. The concept of a team can be malleable to achieve a similar exploration. In some settings of some Real Time Strategy games, players can change what the teams are as the game progresses - allowing for different strategies to unfold. Exploration is good - at least as much as exploitation.

[@y_fam_goeglyd]

But there are many examples of a team getting punished for its actions during a race (let's forget any "this went on all season, how couldn't the driver have known?" scenarios) without the driver being affected. I give you Singapore and "Crashgate" as a prime example. Alonso kept his win and the points, but the team were punished (plus all the extra stuff that happened later. I'm more concerned about race day and the immediate aftermath, rather than months down the line). That's not even close to being a lone action, many other times teams have been punished but the drivers haven't. Though it rarely works the other way around. Race day punishments for drivers _usually_ affect the team negatively too.

[@itjjb5835]

this aged so well

[@gogogomes7025]

Change the constructors point without changing the driver's

[@Elias_g1]

That sounds like a good idea !

[@FightingTorque411]

@UCYBd38zyNQ8ZGEducSMK52Q Or on a lesser scale, Austria 2000. After a dominant McLaren 1-2 (yep, McLaren again), the stewards found the gearbox seal on Mika Häkkinen's winning car was broken. This was a clear breach of technical regulations, but there was zero evidence the broken seal had resulted in any performance advantage. In the end, Häkkinen kept his 10 Drivers' championship points, while McLaren lost the 10 points in the Constructors'.

[@Prgsan]

Disagree. If the team gets an advantage, so does the driver. If the driver messes up, the team loses. This is how a team sport works.

[@SSJ1Igor]

@@Prgsan but the driver still didn't do anything wrong. the team should be forced to correct the breach for the next race - and will face race suspension otherwise (so the driver doesnt get the advantage again). the only hole i can think of is the very last race in the season, but you can face suspension for the first race of the following season if u fuck up!

[@jaymoore332]

I would love to see a racing series where drivers rotated through all the cars. You could have a driver's championship that didn't depend on who had the best car and a constructor's championship that didn't depend on who had the best drivers. The problem is it creates a tension between the driver and constructor when one of them does something wrong. Some of the ideas in this video might help with that.

[@LawAndBedlum]

1:28 "I don't mean that in the Nazi sense" I did a double take on the image, thanks for the chuckle 😂

[@lzh4950]

Imagine if he was dabbing in that image instead #nsfw

[@Goekcan7]

Well that Escalated quickly... Comrades...

[@franktkalcevic5342]

You've looked at penalties for infringers, what about compensation for victims?

[@Barmaglot2003]

Now we talking socialism )

[@andrewmat]

I think this is harder because compensating the victims will cause more victims and it won't stop. For instance, this victim is compensated, but now the car in front of him is "punished" by the compensation even though he did nothing.

[@lzh4950]

Points transfer from infringers to victims?

[@noobplayer_23]

@@lzh4950 well that makes sense (Well Except if the infringers are Williams Drivers)

[@lzh4950]

@@noobplayer_23 Hmm what if we allowed negative points? ;)

[@thejulinks]

Should have used "The Internationale" for the outro there.

[@Ugrasrava]

That rotation style championship might not be suited for F1 but I'd *love* to see it put into practice in a series somewhere. It'd be exciting as hell!

[@ryklatortuga4146]

New Formula One car from the Soviet Union.... any colour you like... so long as it is Red

[@ChrisBl33p]

Sounds about right. Grazie tutti.

[@b1squitz551]

10 years before the new car gets into testing.

[@bucketslash11]

Ferrari and Alfa Romeo won't be complaining (though the whole "no choices" is propaganda and not supported by leftist literature)

[@basieluxanno7909]

I saw last a regulation from an competition (solar race in Australia) there you get penalty points but it hurt more, if you have more points. calculation is really easy: your earned points * 0.99^penalty points

[@AlejandroHernandez-se5eu]

Let's go communist then comrade 🌏

[@bijn1848]

*comrade

[@Bahamuttiamat]

We got hitler, communist and it's not even my birthday. Chain man is legit.

[@satinderdhindsa835]

The amount of shots fired in this video can rival WW2

[@MidnightBloomDev]

I'm wondering the same question... How do you study for a test without studying the lecture?

[@kyllianvanleeuwen8835]

Just get the answers of the test and learn those

[@ballaking1000]

You're technically studying for the test by studying the lecture... You also don't need to have the lecture to study for the test via online help and textbooks. I think you were going for a mindfuck but it had no content..

[@mscbijles1256]

Just make practice questions and assignments

[@ritz15]

For the team penalties instead of having a point system like you suggested could you not have a % system so for a minor rule break maybe have 10% and for a major 50% making it more fair. So if Mercedes has 400 points and they to something major and lose 50% they will lose 200 points. But if Williams have 10 points and break something major and lose 50% they will only lose 5 points. Then they both lose a massive chunk of their points but it’s dependent on how many they already have which I think would be more fair. Please not that I used 50% to get my point across and if the FIA had a system like this it would probably not be as high as 50%.

[@KelchanFerret]

*CEREAL IS A SOUP* HOW DARE.

[@holdenleeb2312]

It dosen’t have to be...

[@wutzitrone4522]

You cook yo damn cereal?

[@davidmaria4752]

Imagine cute little George Russell behind the Mercedes. Amazing.

[@tcroft2165]

Well he has driven them already in tests

[@davidmaria4752]

@@tcroft2165 Any videos?

[@tcroft2165]

@@davidmaria4752 Only a few snippits on YT that I can see. Prob need to dig into a FP session to find it.

[@hdr_diamondz]

@@davidmaria4752 You don't need to imagine anymore

[@m-yday]

I thoroughly enjoyed the ending to this. What a twist!

[@GordonDragons]

"Put the best drivers, in the best cars, and use a reverse grid" > 17: Grosjean - Ferrari Nice!

[@glyndavies2828]

Ok not what I expected when I clicked on this...love it tho

[@sgtpoliteness]

I like some of the ideas of some team mistakes not effecting the driver's championship points, but conversely, as far as driver mistakes not effecting constructor's points; The driver is part of the team, so his mistakes are also the teams mistakes.

[@Kennyaj123]

Really cool production/editing in this video. Keep up the great work!

[@stephankoenig6116]

Just to ask a question concerning your last idea: wouldn't it be unfair at some point if, like you see some driver gets to drive the ferrari in monza and another driver gets a ferrari in like silverstone?

[@chris3145]

It's not perfect, but it's much more fair than the current system where Hamilton gets to drive the Mercedes at every race.

[@raruue6198]

I see why they call you bear... 👌🏻

[@candykanefpv98]

Thanks for telling us how long the ad was. That's very helpful and also good that the rest of the video is uninterrupted.

[@Werder-zw7hu]

I've watched the end of the Video about twenty times now and it is still hilarious. You have my full support! Viva la revolution comarde chain bear

[@juliomassa3586]

Communism in F1? My life-long dream comes true, I can now happily die

[@Kore_YT]

Formula all sounds good to me

[@Njurdi]

Man I love your fresh view on things. It keeps me thinking about possibilities. Keep it up man!!

[@danielbarnes2885]

Best video EVER! Great stuff, Chain Bear! Great ideas!

[@luigin9087]

This was a very good video! In the past you did a lot of videos which where sort of trivial to me and probably many long-time F1 fans. But this kind of speculative video is great and opens your mind for own thoughts and discussions. Please keep doing more of these!

[@scarkillerful]

In Soviet F1 (i.e. F-ALL) car drives driver.

[@Nailedor]

What an awesome video, I love it! The ideas how to tackle that problem are really interesting and the end is just perfect. Cant wait for the next one :D

[@martincarroll2975]

Love it bear! Keep up the great work

[@Denes2005]

All of these ideas can work, but not in f1.

[@roxy5048]

The separate points could work, would make for a tighter championship, which is what everyone wants.

[@angelhd1999]

11:01 I CAN'T HAHAHAHHA

[@ballaking1000]

You can't what?.. Laugh?

[@paintjey]

This channel is exceptionally special. I am enjoying every single one of the video. Both information and comedy served well.

[@ieuanhunt552]

You have a jigglypuff plushie on your desk. You are a man after my own heart.

[@Jordan51203]

Song at the end? This is important! I’ve been looking for this song for literally years, and now that I’ve heard it again I can’t let it slide

[@TheSurprisePizza]

It's "Smooth Rest Cafe" by Emily Shepard.

[@Jordan51203]

Surprise Pizza thank you comrade!

[@Izquierdator]

Smooth Rest Cafe - Emily Shepard It is surprisingly similar to the Dance of the Knights by Prokofiev

[@clansome]

@Jordan 51203 Smooth Rest Cafe - Emily Shepard kzbin.info/www/bejne/apTahnRmf8l_fdk Which appears too be based on Prokofiev - Dance of the Knights kzbin.info/www/bejne/mHPWfKOil5d4bLM Also it (Prokofiev) is used as intro music by Muse on their HAARP tour kzbin.info/www/bejne/oZKwd3l-p5ujipo

[@Ra1d_danois]

Such a good ending!

[@carlosalesouza]

By far. The best material you have ever produced. Genius

[@scott501]

Your best one yet...great work!

[@sayakchakraborty4206]

I was expecting the USSR National Anthem to start at the end.

[@tehkt86]

watch?v=U06jlgpMtQs

[@anchorbait6662]

11:00 #savage

[@dillonkian559]

fantastic episode! great to see you on camera again, you look amazing!!

[@thomasmccormick6650]

Im liking the more heavily edited videos, keep the ideas rolling

[@Daisy_lief]

my head hurts

[@louisbaleston2814]

I love how you chose Grosjean to cut a corner/move in the braking zone/squeeze someone out

[@hazeluzzell]

One thing I can imagine is Crofty having a nervous breakdown trying to understand/explain all this...

[@irishRocker1]

Great job on the video production!

[@hxc04]

What’s the closing musical piece?

[@Hyrix6]

It's called, for some really strange reason, Smooth Rest Cafe - Emily Shepard

[@CIinbox]

10:28 That is so ridiculous and awesome at the same time. I actually wish they tried this for a season. Also most drivers might just troll in the HAAS cars :D As for penalizing constructors. Give 1-5% for each infraction depending on severity and remove this value (rounded up) from the total score at the end of the season. A 1% penalty would mean -6/-7 points for Mercedes and for Williams... they would still have to hand in their point ;)

[@MikkyX]

I'm actually completely onboard with the "only award constructors points for the highest placed car" part of this. Viva la revolution indeed!

[@gregheaton3343]

lol. I think this is the first video I have ever liked on youtube. You've set a high bar, Chain Bear. TBH, I think the point splitting and point penalty depending on finishing place makes a lot of sense for both the team and driver infractions.

[@svevo]

A cat was hinted at, no cat was delivered. This video left me unsatisfied.

[@user-fe6dn7cq6f]

Why does every youtuber feel like they have to mug for the camera lately Don't be Stallone's Judge Dredd, be Karl Urban.

[@botecof1]

🤣🤣🤣 Best video of this channel, Stuart. Amazing work as always.

[@dangodi4100]

Very nice setup, keep up the good work

[@MrXaniss]

The last one is interesting, but kind of stupid... but if it happened I'd still watch it...

[@Narmatonia]

2:23 Or pretending you're going to do a pitstop then not doing it, unless you're Mercedes then you can do that whenever you want

[@alexdieringer3510]

Best video yet mate A+ I love it

[@hubertarchacki7594]

Ohh I Loved it :) this format of ur videos is amazing. We got to see you, I got to laugh properly at the end :) and I love the ideas

[@julidgoe7554]

Well... I‘m speechless 😂 I don‘t know what to say...

[@gvnthomas]

Money, or points deducted from the constructor's championship.

[@TheElaborinth8993]

God I love you Chain Bear. Especially at the end 🤣

[@ouramoloss]

I know they are way harder to make but videos which alternate face cam and usual illustrations are nice to watch!

[@erikhjortsater5461]

That’s a good question which I’m hoping to get answered in this video.

[@aceofspades2711]

USSR Anthem starts playing

[@lagautmd]

Oh, that wrap up was magnificent!

[@BerndDasBrot51]

The way how you put this idea into a video and delivered it to the viewers is just genius, if I could, I‘d replace Ross Brawn with Mr. Chain Bear

[@in3kro274]

Could you imagine if for one year we got a Formula All? Maybe once every 10 years xDDDDDD It would be hella fun to watch and much harder to win than a regular F1 championship, for both drivers and teams.

[@botigamer9011]

0:50 Holy scheiße, Stuart, you look really handsome

[@FranzFridl]

Stuart ist ein schön mann

[@botigamer9011]

@@FranzFridl Erraten! 😍😍😍

[@smashingwarden]

Awesome video as usual, bloody brilliant and funny 😂👏

[@nutsmcflurry3737]

Best commentary on the ludicrous endeavor call sport I've seen this year.

[@simey5639]

3:01 I thought about that,,, ...it's actually kinda true.

[@lopez.jacinto.6726]

But aren't drivers part of the team?

[@cosminlesutan3574]

People seem to forget that...

[@ballaking1000]

You know there's 2 championships every season, right?..

[@caspartownend5516]

@@ballaking1000 yeah but some drivers can get lucky with a ferrari at monza and a mercedes or red bull at Monaco

[@lopez.jacinto.6726]

@@ballaking1000 I had no idea, even after watching F1 for ten years and cheering for Alonso in 2012 and 2010, please explain us.

[@ballaking1000]

@@lopez.jacinto.6726 What does cheering for Alonso have anything to do with this? And 'us', I think you mean 'me'; what, you have a cult behind your computer chair? I'm also not a mind reader so what's with the sarcasm with your 10 years of following f1? You could have watched f1 for 50 years it doesn't make your statement any less retarded and there's nothing else to explain on the topic. There's 2 championships, that there is the reason for penalizing drivers/teams separately. "But aren't drivers part of the team?" should never be said from someone who's watched f1 over a decade and if you understood my obvious statement (judging from your sarcasm) you wouldn't have made your OP statement to begin with.

[@rkirkwood1]

love it, you are great chain bear, a global treasure...

[@TheHatton93]

Love the new style of video, and I am crying with laughter at that ending

[@Jp-gw3tu]

That drivers roaring would be sublime to watch. Side note : socialism is not the same as communism

[@AlexandrePayot]

Not sure this fits perfectly with F1's attempts to capture the US market 😂

[@radideaman1078]

Hey man the way the youth are going it could be a boost lol

[@firefoxuser2557]

The final idea is ridiculous and absurd it will never happen. I hope they can make it happen that would be a season I’d pay to watch

[@andrewcharlton4053]

Really like the new camera view/setup you used here @Chain Bear F1

[@andrewcharlton4053]

Although the audio sounded a little muddy