How does BIG RAMY stack up next to other MASS MONSTER Mr Olympias???

It's a heavyweight battle for the ages!
2003 Ronnie Coleman Vs 2009 Jay Cutler Vs 2020 Big Ramy
Who will win?
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[@Tomn8er]

Should mention that the uniform backgrounds were partially inspired by Supersetman (see link in the description), a promising upcoming channel that does a lot of bodybuilding comparisons like this. I think Muscle Mutant may have also done this in the past as well...

[@JohnPeter1940]

They look god man

[@harmonizinginjoy]

Agreed , super cool. It really highlights the differences 🙏big boyzzz.

[@lincoln7184]

Great backgrounds

[@SM-ez4vf]

Ramy weighs more because he is significantly softer. Ramy deserved this year's olympia but he loses to both Ronnie and Jay.

[@tirgod100]

The back photo from ramy and ronny is different ... rammy needs more oil and light .. but in the mid back section ron is more defined.

[@tricsterjoker4654]

I really like it when the background is all the same instead of three different ones, so I would say keep it, but that's just my two cents

[@damboulton]

Yes, I immediately had a sigh of relief when I first saw that. Never realised how distracting the different backgrounds were until now.

[@stilo2703]

I agree. I would also brighten up or dim each pic so they look like they have the same lighting. Like for example ramy looks darker because the lighting was darker at the 2020 O

[@flint4966]

yeah its much more pleasing to look at

[@nathanielhampton2559]

Two more cents from me 👍🏼

[@FoggyTheHippo]

Agreed

[@azmiraclegirl441]

Ronnie has back muscles that don't appear on anatomy charts lmao how can anyone compete?

[@sourstrawberry6636]

Lol

[@FinalCurse]

like where?

[@Nnothingg-]

@Nikos Alpha the 9:00 shows that he is so dry his skin is like paper wtf are you saying, that he was not conditioned?

[@panchopuskas1]

Ronnie was super big and shredded.....that's it and that's what won contests back in the day.....his donut shaped mid section got bigger and bigger over time till it got too big to ignore....it happens to all of us....TBH of the 3 on show I liked Jay the best when he was at his best but he finally went the same way......

[@a7mad9999999]

@Nikos Alpha you are blind

[@ButterBallTheOpossum]

The biggest thing I noticed is Ramy had awful lighting compared to Jay an Ronnie. It really is a shame.

[@tpsin713]

he literal has the best cameras compared to them both. U remember the tech then?>

[@Mike-qo4kp]

Bad lighting did not make Ramys arms too short his quads too big his back pancake thin etc etc

[@tpsin713]

@HosseinMousawi he still isn't better then both of them anyway. he is the biggest of his era but Phil still better career wise.

[@joshuadoidge237]

@@Mike-qo4kp Not shit sherlock, but it does make his conditioning worse

[@1TieDye1]

It’s amazing that the olympia organizers still fuck up things like lighting.

[@michaelgad4324]

Very solid analysis tom as always! I honestly think big ramy's mid section is so underrated for a mass monster very tight and no bloat or bubble gut.

[@kowicz_comedy3625]

@@ahlawymasry8743 What does that have to do with the comment lol

[@graefx]

If Ramy can continue to come in more conditioned going forward, he'll make a strong legacy.

[@SodaiGoku]

Agreed. Just needs to maintain his conditioning and no one can match him.

[@ethanbailey7426]

would be nice if he could add just a little more detail to the upper thigh. if u look back at 2014 he had this but ever since that area has been smooth on him for some reason

[@graefx]

Yeah. That's always been his issue. Those massive thighs are always washed out. I cant help but think of Ronnie's 2019 interview. "None of these guys like theyve been on a diet. Like a real diet" since Ramy got rewarded for improved conditioning and Dennis James says he can get better and theres room to improve gives me some faith

[@mjc_fishing9916]

I would say that if he brings up his back, especially the lower back, and maintains this years conditioning he will be unbeatable for the next five years or so.

[@iambodybuildingyt221]

Thats what I said

[@R_00N]

This is pretty much textbook how Ronnie won his olympias. It's close from the front and side but he's so far ahead of everyone else from the rear you can't beat him.

[@TheLusianPopa]

from the side he lost the side triceps to most guys all years and lost the abs thigh to most of the top 6 also

[@TheLusianPopa]

@@ahlawymasry8743 lighting this year was pretty good, not as good as 03 and 09 though.. Ramy is 3-5 lb heavier than Ronnie, and 35 lb heavier than Jay but bodyweight in itself doesnt always fully translate into pictures... Both Coleman and Ramy are 5 10/178 cm Its impossible to get the scaling right if you only focus on the heights as some bodybuilders hit certain poses with their legs closer/further apart...so 2 guys that are 5 10 when standing erect wont necessarily be the same height when they are hitting a certain pose...GET IT? You seriously butthurt Ramy loses this comparison or what..

[@parabakshay]

Ronnie never deserved all the 8 Olympias

[@AXRA4]

@@parabakshay says who? You? A fucking casual? most pro bodybuilders admire Ronnie as the GOAT. Youre delusional if you think his way to the top was given to him and he had no hardwork and didnt deserve to be an 8 time Mr Olympia.

[@Mmmm-lx9vb]

@@parabakshay how

[@garethllewellyn215]

Already a quote of the year contender from Tomn8er "obliterated from the rear, I mean Ronnie really tears him a new one"

[@damboulton]

‘No homo’

[@victorprokop2240]

@@damboulton No homo

[@garethllewellyn215]

@@victorprokop2240 but...is gay for pay no home 🤔

[@michaelmurray6577]

The had a nice three way - not that kind of three way.

[@garethllewellyn215]

@@michaelmurray6577 yeah I did notice ...but any 3 way is a win for some ppl

[@parkerrish9024]

Big Ramey in real life is a monster of a man! He’s such a kind guy when I met him. Amazing bodybuilder

[@Narrowcros]

Yaah I met him in a gym years ago when he was a trainer, very kind man

[@nightman8612]

Ramy still has a sculptural look: you don't get more class with that amount of mass.

[@innatecharisma]

Agreed

[@Trenacetate43]

It is because he doesn't have a gut, and he has a gargantuan shoulder width coupled with a waist that's not wide like Jay,

[@Nnothingg-]

@@Trenacetate43 think its his skin it always looked like his skin was as thin as paper and always stuck to muscles

[@Trenacetate43]

@@Nnothingg- maybe but it is his structure mostly. If jay has 2-3 inches smaller waist he’d look beastly and aesthetic at the same time

[@StNovaSt]

This is Ramy's first O win. Ronnie had 8 times to get it right and mature. Ramy is still young but he is already up there with the big boys. Thats impressive.

[@willmann3197]

Ramys obliques don't spill over on the sides. That's what is most aesthetic about him. And at that size and mass, that's pretty impressive

[@leeolie3728]

I noticed that. That’s not all muscle either. Conditioned abs goes to Ramy first and Jay second. Insane an development goes to Ronnie but those lovehandled obliques put him behind these two in this pose.

[@davidkosiba624]

@@leeolie3728 What are you talking about lol , Jay literally has the deepest cut abs like ever if you only look at the Mr Olympias, Ramy's abs are starting to get washed out

[@godsbeast.69]

@@ahlawymasry8743 heavier doesn’t always equate to bigger, I met Bertil Fox before he set off to st kitts before I started working out, he was 247lb ’sh and was bigger denser than any pro I have seen in person to date claiming 280/300lb Ramy is awesome as is Ron.

[@titoslounge1946]

I appreciate the effort with giving them all the same background. One suggestion i’d make is using the same color background for each pose. It’s a little distracting when the background color changes each pose. I’d also pick a texture that’s more muted and contrasts well with their bodies.

[@rooniejames]

Yeah, I agree, I always liked lighter backgrounds.

[@jakob3002]

“Bodybuilding takes a lot of guts!”’ - Phil Heath

[@scorpionmk1595]

Very true and funny😂

[@victorprokop2240]

Phils new movie: Guts and blood

[@Agnes135]

Yet Ronnie's gut is 10x worse

[@scorpionmk1595]

@@athul46 he's not bullying anyone lol

[@GG-kn2se]

You’ve all hammered that joke into the ground. It’s cringe now

[@linusary5284]

I think a comparison is always kinda hard because the lightning is so different.

[@mxz2024]

not to mention the angles and distances...sometimes they look taller and bigger jsut because the camera was closer.

[@Stockfish1511]

I mean watch live video on jay cutler 2009 compared to ramy. Jay would smoke him

[@mnh4460]

@@Stockfish1511 i agree🙂

[@kingryuga9710]

@@Stockfish1511 Doubt it. His physique is not better than Ramys. Ramy is biggest with a smaller waist. But the lighting is so much better!

[@Stockfish1511]

@@kingryuga9710 sure but jays condition was way better. Ramy had better legs, but jay had cuts of valleys in his legs. Just check his quad stomp. In the pictures irs really hard to compare. In live video you just see how much better jay is

[@Caesar-ww3yp]

Best bodybuilding channel ever! Keep smashing it man, watched all of your vids, alot of them multiple times too!

[@peterookotai6965]

I remember looking at the 2003 Olympia pics and just going "WTF!!!" What Ronnie did was insane. Best of health to him.

[@NikSK99]

Ramy actually hit the crab most muscular and looked incredible

[@stilo2703]

Are there pictures?

[@NikSK99]

@@stilo2703 instagram.com/p/CJGqKsLLVy0/?igshid=1qs6bcilzjb7j

[@liukeiner]

Really? I haven't seen it

[@zdravkobekriev3397]

@@liukeiner I think it was an "end of posing, fk it I'll hit it for the sake of it" pose

[@discordmemesductor5518]

@@NikSK99 holy shit now thats a crab most muscular

[@fad2679]

Half of this video was me trying to decipher between when you say "Ronnie" and "Ramy" haha

[@enricosace]

Thanks for doing this! I know it was a ton of work. I think making the background the same for everyone was a great touch!

[@ravsinghrajput2105]

*Jay* has great quads with feathers *Ramy* has wider quads and wider shoulders King *Ronnie* has ripped & muscular quads, huge separated biceps, and high density back ... *Overall a untouchable monster*

[@kwahkailuis]

@@ahlawymasry8743 you make the same comments every single f***ng time, we get it, you're a Ramy fangirl. Ramy did great this mr O, but no way this version of him wins over the best versions of Ronnie and Jay, maybe if he keeps improving and stepping up his game for a few next year the conversation will change.

[@newport5504]

He has the worst looking stomach

[@davidkosiba624]

@@ahlawymasry8743 Bruh you really think that Ramy can hang with the best version of Jay and Ronnie? If so then you must be the biggest fangirl of Ramy lol

[@yushy5816]

It's a shame Ramy's lighting/oil doesn't pop as much. Definitely causes my eyes to drift towards Jay or Ronnie.

[@6473n64m19]

This is so true, you may even see a rant win with the same conditions, the lighting was even better for jay than it was for ramy as well

[@willyhwang1059]

Ramy's abs look the most normal.

[@felipezanelato4383]

Wtf?

[@imran4968]

I really like Big Ramy physique and I would say he is the most aesthetic and he can definitely hold his own against them at least from the front and legs.

[@vinzchannel01]

Big Ramy is the more aesthetic version of the two while staying that mass monster size

[@Kojaphilosophy]

no?

[@davidkosiba624]

Honestly for me Jay looks my far the best in the back double (from an aesthetic point of view not from a judge's view) , side triceps and abs and tigh , maybe in the most muscular too

[@mikebird5148]

Ramy has a bigger frame, but not bigger muscles, Coleman and Cutler packed a lot of muscle on their frames and still got shredded.

[@valerioscharer4676]

True, coleman especially had a narrow hips, waist and joints wich makes the muscles stand out as well. Phil only weights 240 and killed many guys waay heavier. Prime phil would have beat this ramy easily even if he is 50 pounds leighter Weight does not matter, muscularity does wich is not the same thing.

[@michaello2393]

I never really find Ronny Colman is very eye pleasing to me I’m sorry if I offended some people but to me Jay and Ramy are much more eye pleasing

[@dudedude7650]

He looked best in 98 and 99 with crazy conditioning and great size. But yeah for the most part he’s not the most eye pleasing guy to look at but in terms of just size, conditioning and muscle development he was just so ahead of everybody. From a pure bodybuilding perspective he is nearly impossible to beat at his best. But from a fan’s perspective especially when you weigh the aesthetics a lot more he’s not going to do as well.

[@christianbozwell4981]

Wonder why 🤔

[@NumberJuanSpot]

Tom you’re one of the few channels I’ll watch 15 min + videos and not a skip a single second! Cool idea and great analysis as always man 👍🏽

[@damkmankm3755]

ADHD?

[@NumberJuanSpot]

Nah, just my interest in the content and the personality of the KZbinr

[@mr.olympiacutler1829]

I think Jay Cutler would win to Ramy in a lot of the poses. My opinion.

[@stephencurran2284]

What poses do you give to jay and to ramy may i ask

[@vojtamaximus5291]

@@stephencurran2284 I would also like to know, just for info

[@vojtamaximus5291]

I was honesty surprised how well did ramy stand against these 2. I would atleast hesitate to put him under Jay.

[@AlexanderGeorge]

I prefer Cutler's physique compared to both Ronnie and Big Ramy. He was a bit blocky but he always came in condition and never had a bubble gut

[@stephencurran2284]

@@AlexanderGeorge honestly ramy objectively has the tightest midsection of them all. And jay was not always in condition (see 2007, 2008 olympia) in fact there are only maybe 5 times jay really brought it

[@murozman]

Big Ramy's side chest will go down in legend. The way he hit it in the Olympia this year was absolutely tremendous and original.

[@carloscontreras3633]

I don’t agree. He doesn’t have the arms to make the side chest a big wow.

[@HardbrasH1]

but I agree, yep, it was legendary.

[@jingelegjingelek4040]

I mean we seen ramy side by side in 2013 Olympia I think I know Jay was not in best shape still one the biggest he ever was and it was not even funny how much bigger and wider ramy was way better too!

[@NemeanLion-]

Great analysis, but it’s really hard to do these guys justice unless they’re on the same stage in a lineup.

[@suryaanshmokta9505]

why doesn't anyone talk about ronnie's bubble gut?

[@user-cv2lb6el7y]

Ronnie has cult like fanbase, which overestimate him.

[@Oho159]

its old news. no1 cares about it now

[@TehShooterx]

Bro look at the hands on hip. No way that goes to ronnie with that horrible mid section. Ramy is perfection in that pose

[@youbename25]

Ronnie is wider than phil

[@quietatse]

@@user-cv2lb6el7y No, Ronnie has haters who underestimate him.

[@radu7919]

Man, Tom's jokes get better as years pass 😂

[@Solo-5050]

Before I even watch here's my answer! Aside from his over sized quads he's got the most pleasing structure of them all. He has super wide shoulders and a small waist by comparison. However there's no "wow factor" to his muscle bellies. If only he had better separation...

[@mxz2024]

yea ramy only lacks those special cuts..his arms look big but boring and a lil bit too small next to his quads. his chest is big but also could need more wow factor somehow. and his back and calves are probably the weakest parts. still, ramy as a paackage is nearly unbeatable. if ramy jsut improves his lower back and back detail, calves and jsut overall even more wow factor conditioning..then its game over :D but if brandon curry improves his legs to a point that his legs keep up with ramys...ramy can go home :D

[@stevec9093]

Brandon's gotta play the size game

[@teatowel11]

@@ahlawymasry8743 Ramy also has shorter femurs (upper leg) relative to his height which is why his quads look so freaky. Ramy has a longer torso. The only part of Ramy that I prefer is his tight midsection which is a real tribute considering his size.

[@MeanBeanComedy]

I REALLY like the backgrounds, Tom. Solid innovation. These comparison videos can be such an eyesore with the branding and lights in each shot, and the solid background looks professional, visible, and makes them seem more legendary. Thanks, buddy.

[@therealtomframpton2662]

The background is so much better now you've standardised it!!!

[@dragon-x-i6863]

I love how he said: ramys and ramys at 7:03

[@perilouslambasting6816]

The pic at 4:31 makes it feel like gold (Jay) silver (Ron) and bronze (BR)

[@dreadsystem6202]

Ramy looks like the perfect bodybuilder in that front lat spread

[@Brent6434]

Really like the new background idea! I definitely think it's a very nice addition and I would love to see more of it in your future videos!

[@kaleandoscope]

Really love the comparisons, you stole the words outta my mouth man lol. I don't usually 100% agree with comparisons that I watch like this one but this time I do. Good job! Have a great day Tom.

[@garethllewellyn215]

Also..a comment thats not a waste of time ....the consistent background is a very good idea and welcome addition to the videos...Great work

[@escanor9920]

To me, 2009 Jay Cutler is just UNBEATABLE !!!

[@anthonynoce9071]

This video is amazing when i saw the title I was like ramy doesn’t compare but honestly the detail you go into actually makes it respectable

[@housesports000]

I think the reason why 2009 Jay Cutler is mostly last in these poses cause for what he lacked in mass he had supreme conditioning and of course the era

[@Looch27]

Fantastic video as always Tom, for sure the best bodybuilding YT channel out there. And a really nice touch removing the backgrounds out of the pics u used

[@iLearnS]

Big Ramy - Only mass monster of modern era without a bubble gut.

[@mcbeav]

LOLOLOL The background makes some of these photos look like picture day at elementary school

[@blazerspitter2068]

I didn't think of it that way until you said lol

[@ToddWright2]

Really hard to knock your choices. Exceedingly well done.

[@shotgunshelz7987]

I like the replacement backgrounds, but try to keep it a little more consistent with brightness. The bright green and blue are a bit distracting. But I like it for easier comparisons.

[@victormattar2199]

Bro, i definitely recognize your effort in making a video like this. Great job - much appreciated!

[@jamesoliver8204]

There are a lot of photos of Ramy going around in comparisons that don't do his condition justice at the O, he really dialed it in if you watched the stream. The photos in this vid are pretty good.

[@Shm00ly]

The result here was about spot on... what would you say he did better? If anything Jay is totally undersold by these photos.

[@jamesoliver8204]

@@Shm00ly Yeah I don't have a problem with anything Tom says I was referring to elsewhere.

[@giulianosbewusstsein]

Bullshit. He was not in really good conditioning

[@DruiD.aprime]

His conditioning can't compare to Phil's, let alone Ronnie's, Jay's and Dorian's.

[@davidcurrie4051]

Such an underrated BB channel. Should be at 1 mill+ subs but you'll get there man keep the content coming

[@phillipthomas4328]

Great video as always Tom! You are the best bodybuilding channel in the game! I do like the up-and-coming marks Max muscle he does some pretty good comparisons like you do as well. However I did like the background change, but I think if you just keep one color it’ll make it a little better in my opinion. I thought the color variations made it too crazy, but I’m sure you were just having fun switching it up just to see what looked good. But if you did that for other videos I think one solid color would be good probably a black background just to keep it consistent but I guess boring haha 😆

[@ravsinghrajput2105]

When Ronnie shows his back, you better believe it.... *It's over...and your fantasy becomes a reality*

[@dmoney3491]

Big Ron all the way but cutlers color is perfect

[@danielquinn312]

Nice comparison video, the shots are interesting but it's always hypothetical unless they are actually together.

[@TheEvilValentine]

I too loved the cut out backgrounds.

[@NilsMueller]

Bro I love the background trick you did, makes it so much more immersive and easier to focus on the physiques.

[@ashmerch2558]

Tomn8er : did Big Ron or Jay start strumming an air guitar mid-round? Me : Did Big Ramy ever bounce around raising the roof ? 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 But seriously... will we ever see anyone who looks like they even belong on the same stage as Coleman, from the rear, specifically the rear relaxed or the rear lat spread

[@samraizshoaib585]

Dorian is about the only one. And perhaps Phil.

[@Giuvannuzzeddu]

YES! Neutral backgrounds please! IFBB, please take notice!

[@pricerowland]

I like them all for different reasons, but man I love Jay's posing. He somehow kept that enormous amount of muscle flowing.

[@user-kw5bq1li5r]

Jay has a 9 pack

[@danielgould2938]

Liked the analysis. I'm not a fan of Ramy but you made some good points, liked the Phil reference

[@user-iu3ok4sq9y]

Thank you for removing the ads

[@torynichols2413]

I think it's pretty awesome that Ronnie has to be at his worst and everyone else has to be at their best to even be in the conversation

[@pepelaugh3993]

I dont see why people fanboy over Colemans physique so much. He is inevitable one of the greatest if not the greatest bodybuilder of all time, but his midsection is not pleasing at all to look at from a bodybuilding point of view. Everyone hating on Phils midsection but ronnie colemans was 5 times worse. Looked really BAD.

[@sourstrawberry6636]

Like for the background edit, please do that in every video... finally i can use my eyes to compare

[@Kevin_Calzada]

Agree

[@uvespatel3828]

Your way of analysing is second to none

[@quist6154]

The quality of the lighting... hasn’t improved through the years

[@MegaAhmad1994]

i think it got worse

[@SandraWantsCoke]

@@MegaAhmad1994 it was terrible, especially on Curry, who just looked like a dark spot against a bright background. They need to bring back dark background and more powerful lights.

[@teatowel11]

They should have a day sometime before the olympia where they set up the lighting and camera positions and allow the contestants to check it out so they can work on the best angles and shade for their tan. They really need some pros to improve that lighting, its a disgrace really.

[@KCDarin]

Ur right.. BY Jay's own mouth several times he's said he was 254 in 2009. I forgot who said Ramy was only 5'9 early on but it stuck when you could always tell he was a couple of inches taller than Heath. Dennis James corrected Shawn Perine (RIP) at the 2016 Olympia saying Ramy was 5"11. Maybe he's 5"10.5 but not 5"9 but I realize they have listed him as 5'9 many times. BBing - The only sport where people claim to be shorter and heavier

[@kristsostad7571]

Background effects were amazing bro

[@myflesh10]

I dont care how big Ramy gets or how conditioned, he does not have the degree of aesthetic structure of these two, and though we disagree about Jay quite a bit I really dig that You got some solid backgrounds for these pix, the black being the most revealing/clarifying.

[@usmilitary280]

Ramy, even though not as crisp and polished as the other two, still is my favorite Physique out of the three of them simply because of balance and structure. He looks the most massive (which he is, he weighs the most) where as still looking aesthetically appealing as far as mass monsters can look so.

[@phuocthanh0207]

Ronnie is just on another level. Muscle bellies , size, grainy look...

[@jerseyjoe1677]

I like the black background! And the same neutral backgrounds .

[@khalidamajoud4114]

Best BB channel by a mile. Keep up the good work, buddy! 😎

[@sorinruga3434]

Using your own background aas a good idea, tho I'd have used another Jay if i made the list(even if 2009 is my favourite Jay as well, he had Olympias when he was bigger, and you need size to hang with these 2 big boys)

[@mrblonde7462]

Give Ramy a few years to grow and with Chad Nichols as his coach Ramy’s going to be at the top for years to come and I love his dry look

[@mangilitking4572]

Happy new year tom, lets wait for ramy like a couple of years he'll come to his own💯🔥

[@szveszs]

80s - 00s = the best era. Just getting better and better and them just getting freakier and weird a bit for me.

[@joshuawalker301]

My man keeps pushing content! Great job man! I like your videos even from waaay back in the day, even tho I changed accounts I always subscribe back!

[@ElizondoAbelardo]

With Big Ramy looking pretty promising so far for this upcoming Olympia, maybe Tomn8er should update this match up...

[@TimeOut210]

You have obviously taken a lot of trouble and attention to detail here, and I must say that am most definitely in agreement with your assessment. Great post.

[@isaacsantos9186]

I mean I think it’s a valid point that no comparisons are to an individual’s first win, Ramy may stack up better towards the middle of his (probable) reign

[@TheForbiddenLean]

Jay's conditioning from the back was always sub-par, even in his most conditioned and shredded years. It's more of a genetic thing really, because his abs and thighs were always diced, even when he was off the mark, however his glutes and lower back were always soft. I think it is fair to criticize him for his weaknesses, but still commend him for his MASSIVE strengths. For example: many guys can rock a Christmas tree lower back and have a lot of details throughout the back and be praised for being the best thing since sliced bread, but be washed out in the abs, and still be like, "Ya, but that's more of a genetic thing." Just seems a bit unfair to Jay, ya know. Jay played his strengths and I believe was great for that. I remember when I got sliced and diced, stage ready, and had crazy vascularity and striations throughout my chest and shoulders, and could even see a distinct split in the bicep heads. However, my triceps were not really feathered, nor my quads. I feel like, to this day, Jay in 2009 was the driest he has ever been and pushed his conditioning (and more than likely his health) to his genetic peak, seeing as to how hard his glutes and hams were. His legs were smaller, but even more sliced than ever before. His legs in 2009 were flayed as fk. The best wheels in the history of bodybuilding (for shape and conditioning). Jay even said at one point in his career he didn't train legs for something like 6 months because they shoot ahead of every other body part. He intentionaly made them a bit smaller, so they would look sharper, and he would look more balanced.

[@tylerm3567]

I think Ramy measures up to these guys pretty well. I would still rank 1. Ronnie 2. Jay 3. Ramy

[@tanghim8244]

I really like this video, but I can’t get over how small you made Jay looked😅

[@arvidpetersson2252]

He’s shorter than both ramy and Ronnie and of course in 2009 he was not at his biggest, I think if it was 2006 then he would look bigger but not as conditioned

[@tanghim8244]

@@arvidpetersson2252 you can check the videos of Ramy next to Jay on stage, as they competed with each other.

[@potatolard9643]

The altered backroubnds were perfect, not distracting at all and added a little more zest with the coolness of it all. 10/10

[@Journeyofnow_]

Keep removing the background. One less distraction when comparing. I appreciate all the time you take when making these videos.

[@gracecar5820]

Wow you really went wild in photoshop. Good cropping, they give a better feel than the separate photos. You may be able to lean to make the lighting appear a more similar level or warmth. Not too much, but a little bit of an even out would take this to the next level

[@monsoon1174]

Fun video as always. I'll offer up my own thoughts as well. First off, damn, great job using the andro photos for Rammy. Marx Max Muscle is using a bunch of blurry screenshots that do Rammy no justice, so it's great seeing someone use the best photos avialable since they showcase just how dry and detailed Rammy was. Kudos. Also, I think the scaling is somewhat off. This isn't exactly your fault per say, but here's a video by Nick showcasing the size discrepency between Jay and Big Rammy. Rammy is about 2 inches taller. Just check out 2:12 on this video. kzbin.info/www/bejne/b5-2aWR6h52Kn6s Big rammy dwarfs Jay, partially from size but also in height. That's a shadow of Jay of course, but it's more so a reference for their overall sizes. Worthy of mention, Rammy's legs are bent at the knees, but he's still taller than Jay. I'd say height wise, Jay's about 5'8-8.5, but he tends to pose without bending at the knees as much. Ronnie is 5'11, and he looks it on stage. Rammy's 5'10 or so, but he bends in a lot of poses so its hard to see sometimes. Anyways, here's what I think of the poses. Front Double - the oddness you're marking for Rammy comes from his torso length, not his upper arm lengths. Rammy has short legs and a long torso, like a toned down Nathan Deasha. I'd give this to Ron, then Rammy, then Jay. Jay's biceps are very assymetrical. You mentioned that not being a huge deal in other videos, but in this case, Jay's left bicep is over twice as large as his right. That Jay's quad sweep is the worst in the shot, as well, and his quads showcase little feathering here. His waist is the widest as well. Rammy's legs are the biggest by far, with Ronnie's calves actually being worse than Rammy's. Rammy also has the narrowest waist by a fair margin. Ronnie's lat taper is better, however, and his arms are very chiseled. Ronnie wins off wow factor in my opinion, but Jay is dead last. He's getting outmuscled by the other two here. Front Lat Spread - I give it to Ronnie. Ronnie fills out the lats a ton, his chest is ultra striated, and his narrow stance would make him appear around 2-3 inches taller than the others here. Rammy's second for the reasons you mentioned, and Jay just looks undersized compared to these guys. Oddly enough, he's getting bullied, but that makes sense since he's giving 30-40 pounds to the other two competitors, and he's the shortest as well. Side Chest - It's tough to say. I lean towards Rammy because he's polished throughout the pose, unlike Ronnie. Ronnie isn't sucking in his midsection much, if at all. Jay's doing an admirable job there, but he's just undersized compared to these other two. Something worthy of note, Rammy's brachialis and bicep separate very well in this pose. Just something I noticed. Back Double - Ronnie is a different animal. Great analysis. Back Lat Spread - Ronnie is a different animal. I agree. Side Tricep - I agree with your points. Rammy needs to work on his technique, because I think with flexed abs and proper tricep flexing, he'd run away with this one. Ab and Thigh - I agree. Most Muscular - Rammy needs to stick to poses that highlight his structure, narrow waist, and lets him show off detail. His hand on hip variations do that, but his crab and hands clasp don't. I personally think Jay is getting outmuscled in these shots. His quad sweep is inferior to Rammy, his waist is much wider, and he lookst he least 'muscular' so to speak. Overall, I give Ron the nod and Rammy a firm second. Personally, I think Jay's not as great in 2009 as people think. They beleive every shot of his was like his quad stomp, but in reality, he wasn't that impressive across all the mandatories. He has strong shots like the ab and thigh/side tricep, but his other shots lack the alien appearence that rammy/Ronnie have. In this comparison, that's showcased to its fullest. Great video though, and you always do a great job of remaining unbiased.

[@Tomn8er]

Great points and I can see the validity of your arguments for each pose. The one thing I would caution is that Ramy-Jay height comparison in NSP's vid. First off you can't see their feet, which is an automatic red flag, but it looks like Ramy is standing slightly in front. Depending on camera angle, a couple inches closer to the audience could equate to an inch or two of height, easily. Trying to gauge heights of guys, even while standing together on stage, is an extremely fickle process and can be misleading IME.

[@monsoon1174]

@@Tomn8er Yeah, I tried to word my critiques without any harshness, as scaling is a fickle beast. Here's an example of another side by side comparison where you can see the difference in heights between the two, and sorry it's a super long google link: www.google.com/search?q=2013+ramy+vs+jay+cutler&tbm=isch&ved=2ahUKEwjN6oDZpYjuAhWRoFMKHSrzCMUQ2-cCegQIABAA&oq=2013+ramy+vs+jay+cutler&gs_lcp=CgNpbWcQA1Dg9wVYn_sFYIX8BWgAcAB4AIABQIgBf5IBATKYAQCgAQGqAQtnd3Mtd2l6LWltZ8ABAQ&sclient=img&ei=YzH2X42tLZHBzgKq5qOoDA&bih=647&biw=1253&client=opera&hs=qIK#imgrc=UZlDJXY57jCLtM&imgdii=Vi5AaOZ9QSOwGM You can't see their full feet, but there's most of them there. Even tilting back, Rammy's still taller, and his shoulders are substantially higher. Some of that could be the angle, but I'm doubtful the angle can make up that kind of height difference.

[@Atuhx]

really love the backgrounds make it so much easier to judge

[@phunnyrao]

BIG RAMY blew off Jay and Ronnie in the mid section and quads.

[@king0vdarkness]

Here's my breakdown of who wins and by what muscle/features: 1:28 goes to ramy, lats, quads and mid section 1:55 goes to ramy, again quads and mid section 3:47 Ronnie wins back 4:57 goes to ramy, lats, midsection v cut and quads 6:02 ramy, abs, quads, shoulders 6:50 ramy, forearm striations, hamstrings 8:17 Ronnie back, hamstrings 8:52, 9:40 Ronnie back and hamstrings 10:22 ramy, waist, legs 11:59 ramy waist (otherwise Ronnie wins) 13:51 ramy again tightness of the waist 14:51 ramy waist and symmetry 15:51 Ronnie shoulders, chest, traps and biceps Ofc this is my own opinion

[@HardbrasH1]

no chance for Cutler? cmon man he is the best in some poses

[@gatto481]

no way ramy takes the front double or the side chest

[@apetogetherstrong4243]

A human being beating Ronnie Coleman in the crab pose(even if it`s Phil) sounds like an April fools joke

[@mahmodabdalgafer8994]

imagine ramy 2021 mr.O coming with his 2017 back , and better arms and little bit smaller legs with more details

[@stephencurran2284]

Great video as always. I cant freaking stand how people are too caught up in the past to objectively compare the current crop of guys.

[@jioreyes5838]

0:43 “not even fit to wash jay’s posing trunks” 😂

[@shanealanhaag]

Loved the video. Hearing Ronnie and Ramys names over and over was tricky knowing who you were talking about.

[@miguelroman4294]

" a certain 7X MR Olympia can tell you about that" lol 😆 great video Tom!