It's a heavyweight battle for the ages! 2003 Ronnie Coleman Vs 2009 Jay Cutler Vs 2020 Big Ramy Who will win? @Supersetman: / @supersetman Don't forget to follow me on Instagram: / tomn8er1
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@Tomn8er3 жыл бұрын
Should mention that the uniform backgrounds were partially inspired by Supersetman (see link in the description), a promising upcoming channel that does a lot of bodybuilding comparisons like this. I think Muscle Mutant may have also done this in the past as well...
@JohnPeter19403 жыл бұрын
They look god man
@harmonizinginjoy3 жыл бұрын
Agreed , super cool. It really highlights the differences 🙏big boyzzz.
@lincoln71843 жыл бұрын
Great backgrounds
@SM-ez4vf3 жыл бұрын
Ramy weighs more because he is significantly softer. Ramy deserved this year's olympia but he loses to both Ronnie and Jay.
@tirgod1003 жыл бұрын
The back photo from ramy and ronny is different ... rammy needs more oil and light .. but in the mid back section ron is more defined.
@tricsterjoker46543 жыл бұрын
I really like it when the background is all the same instead of three different ones, so I would say keep it, but that's just my two cents
@damboulton3 жыл бұрын
Yes, I immediately had a sigh of relief when I first saw that. Never realised how distracting the different backgrounds were until now.
@stilo27033 жыл бұрын
I agree. I would also brighten up or dim each pic so they look like they have the same lighting. Like for example ramy looks darker because the lighting was darker at the 2020 O
@flint49663 жыл бұрын
yeah its much more pleasing to look at
@nathanielhampton25593 жыл бұрын
Two more cents from me 👍🏼
@FoggyTheHippo3 жыл бұрын
Agreed
@azmiraclegirl4413 жыл бұрын
Ronnie has back muscles that don't appear on anatomy charts lmao how can anyone compete?
@sourstrawberry66363 жыл бұрын
Lol
@FinalCurse3 жыл бұрын
like where?
@Nnothingg-3 жыл бұрын
@Nikos Alpha the 9:00 shows that he is so dry his skin is like paper wtf are you saying, that he was not conditioned?
@panchopuskas13 жыл бұрын
Ronnie was super big and shredded.....that's it and that's what won contests back in the day.....his donut shaped mid section got bigger and bigger over time till it got too big to ignore....it happens to all of us....TBH of the 3 on show I liked Jay the best when he was at his best but he finally went the same way......
@a7mad99999993 жыл бұрын
@Nikos Alpha you are blind
@ButterBallTheOpossum3 жыл бұрын
The biggest thing I noticed is Ramy had awful lighting compared to Jay an Ronnie. It really is a shame.
@tpsin7132 жыл бұрын
he literal has the best cameras compared to them both. U remember the tech then?>
@Mike-qo4kp2 жыл бұрын
Bad lighting did not make Ramys arms too short his quads too big his back pancake thin etc etc
@tpsin7132 жыл бұрын
@HosseinMousawi he still isn't better then both of them anyway. he is the biggest of his era but Phil still better career wise.
@joshuadoidge237 Жыл бұрын
@@Mike-qo4kp Not shit sherlock, but it does make his conditioning worse
@1TieDye17 ай бұрын
It’s amazing that the olympia organizers still fuck up things like lighting.
@michaelgad43243 жыл бұрын
Very solid analysis tom as always! I honestly think big ramy's mid section is so underrated for a mass monster very tight and no bloat or bubble gut.
@kowicz_comedy36253 жыл бұрын
@@ahlawymasry8743 What does that have to do with the comment lol
@graefx3 жыл бұрын
If Ramy can continue to come in more conditioned going forward, he'll make a strong legacy.
@SodaiGoku3 жыл бұрын
Agreed. Just needs to maintain his conditioning and no one can match him.
@ethanbailey74263 жыл бұрын
would be nice if he could add just a little more detail to the upper thigh. if u look back at 2014 he had this but ever since that area has been smooth on him for some reason
@graefx3 жыл бұрын
Yeah. That's always been his issue. Those massive thighs are always washed out. I cant help but think of Ronnie's 2019 interview. "None of these guys like theyve been on a diet. Like a real diet" since Ramy got rewarded for improved conditioning and Dennis James says he can get better and theres room to improve gives me some faith
@mjc_fishing99163 жыл бұрын
I would say that if he brings up his back, especially the lower back, and maintains this years conditioning he will be unbeatable for the next five years or so.
@iambodybuildingyt2213 жыл бұрын
Thats what I said
@R_00N3 жыл бұрын
This is pretty much textbook how Ronnie won his olympias. It's close from the front and side but he's so far ahead of everyone else from the rear you can't beat him.
@TheLusianPopa3 жыл бұрын
from the side he lost the side triceps to most guys all years and lost the abs thigh to most of the top 6 also
@TheLusianPopa3 жыл бұрын
@@ahlawymasry8743 lighting this year was pretty good, not as good as 03 and 09 though.. Ramy is 3-5 lb heavier than Ronnie, and 35 lb heavier than Jay but bodyweight in itself doesnt always fully translate into pictures... Both Coleman and Ramy are 5 10/178 cm Its impossible to get the scaling right if you only focus on the heights as some bodybuilders hit certain poses with their legs closer/further apart...so 2 guys that are 5 10 when standing erect wont necessarily be the same height when they are hitting a certain pose...GET IT? You seriously butthurt Ramy loses this comparison or what..
@parabakshay3 жыл бұрын
Ronnie never deserved all the 8 Olympias
@AXRA43 жыл бұрын
@@parabakshay says who? You? A fucking casual? most pro bodybuilders admire Ronnie as the GOAT. Youre delusional if you think his way to the top was given to him and he had no hardwork and didnt deserve to be an 8 time Mr Olympia.
@Mmmm-lx9vb3 жыл бұрын
@@parabakshay how
@garethllewellyn2153 жыл бұрын
Already a quote of the year contender from Tomn8er "obliterated from the rear, I mean Ronnie really tears him a new one"
@damboulton3 жыл бұрын
‘No homo’
@victorprokop22403 жыл бұрын
@@damboulton No homo
@garethllewellyn2153 жыл бұрын
@@victorprokop2240 but...is gay for pay no home 🤔
@michaelmurray65773 жыл бұрын
The had a nice three way - not that kind of three way.
@garethllewellyn2153 жыл бұрын
@@michaelmurray6577 yeah I did notice ...but any 3 way is a win for some ppl
@parkerrish90243 жыл бұрын
Big Ramey in real life is a monster of a man! He’s such a kind guy when I met him. Amazing bodybuilder
@Narrowcros3 жыл бұрын
Yaah I met him in a gym years ago when he was a trainer, very kind man
@nightman86123 жыл бұрын
Ramy still has a sculptural look: you don't get more class with that amount of mass.
@innatecharisma3 жыл бұрын
Agreed
@Trenacetate433 жыл бұрын
It is because he doesn't have a gut, and he has a gargantuan shoulder width coupled with a waist that's not wide like Jay,
@Nnothingg-3 жыл бұрын
@@Trenacetate43 think its his skin it always looked like his skin was as thin as paper and always stuck to muscles
@Trenacetate433 жыл бұрын
@@Nnothingg- maybe but it is his structure mostly. If jay has 2-3 inches smaller waist he’d look beastly and aesthetic at the same time
@StNovaSt3 жыл бұрын
This is Ramy's first O win. Ronnie had 8 times to get it right and mature. Ramy is still young but he is already up there with the big boys. Thats impressive.
@willmann31973 жыл бұрын
Ramys obliques don't spill over on the sides. That's what is most aesthetic about him. And at that size and mass, that's pretty impressive
@leeolie37283 жыл бұрын
I noticed that. That’s not all muscle either. Conditioned abs goes to Ramy first and Jay second. Insane an development goes to Ronnie but those lovehandled obliques put him behind these two in this pose.
@davidkosiba6243 жыл бұрын
@@leeolie3728 What are you talking about lol , Jay literally has the deepest cut abs like ever if you only look at the Mr Olympias, Ramy's abs are starting to get washed out
@godsbeast.693 жыл бұрын
@@ahlawymasry8743 heavier doesn’t always equate to bigger, I met Bertil Fox before he set off to st kitts before I started working out, he was 247lb ’sh and was bigger denser than any pro I have seen in person to date claiming 280/300lb Ramy is awesome as is Ron.
@titoslounge19463 жыл бұрын
I appreciate the effort with giving them all the same background. One suggestion i’d make is using the same color background for each pose. It’s a little distracting when the background color changes each pose. I’d also pick a texture that’s more muted and contrasts well with their bodies.
@rooniejames3 жыл бұрын
Yeah, I agree, I always liked lighter backgrounds.
@jakob30023 жыл бұрын
“Bodybuilding takes a lot of guts!”’ - Phil Heath
@scorpionmk15953 жыл бұрын
Very true and funny😂
@victorprokop22403 жыл бұрын
Phils new movie: Guts and blood
@Agnes1353 жыл бұрын
Yet Ronnie's gut is 10x worse
@scorpionmk15953 жыл бұрын
@@athul46 he's not bullying anyone lol
@GG-kn2se3 жыл бұрын
You’ve all hammered that joke into the ground. It’s cringe now
@linusary52843 жыл бұрын
I think a comparison is always kinda hard because the lightning is so different.
@mxz20243 жыл бұрын
not to mention the angles and distances...sometimes they look taller and bigger jsut because the camera was closer.
@Stockfish15113 жыл бұрын
I mean watch live video on jay cutler 2009 compared to ramy. Jay would smoke him
@mnh44603 жыл бұрын
@@Stockfish1511 i agree🙂
@kingryuga97103 жыл бұрын
@@Stockfish1511 Doubt it. His physique is not better than Ramys. Ramy is biggest with a smaller waist. But the lighting is so much better!
@Stockfish15113 жыл бұрын
@@kingryuga9710 sure but jays condition was way better. Ramy had better legs, but jay had cuts of valleys in his legs. Just check his quad stomp. In the pictures irs really hard to compare. In live video you just see how much better jay is
@Caesar-ww3yp3 жыл бұрын
Best bodybuilding channel ever! Keep smashing it man, watched all of your vids, alot of them multiple times too!
@peterookotai69653 жыл бұрын
I remember looking at the 2003 Olympia pics and just going "WTF!!!" What Ronnie did was insane. Best of health to him.
@NikSK993 жыл бұрын
Ramy actually hit the crab most muscular and looked incredible
@@liukeiner I think it was an "end of posing, fk it I'll hit it for the sake of it" pose
@discordmemesductor55183 жыл бұрын
@@NikSK99 holy shit now thats a crab most muscular
@fad26793 жыл бұрын
Half of this video was me trying to decipher between when you say "Ronnie" and "Ramy" haha
@enricosace3 жыл бұрын
Thanks for doing this! I know it was a ton of work. I think making the background the same for everyone was a great touch!
@ravsinghrajput21053 жыл бұрын
*Jay* has great quads with feathers *Ramy* has wider quads and wider shoulders King *Ronnie* has ripped & muscular quads, huge separated biceps, and high density back ... *Overall a untouchable monster*
@kwahkailuis3 жыл бұрын
@@ahlawymasry8743 you make the same comments every single f***ng time, we get it, you're a Ramy fangirl. Ramy did great this mr O, but no way this version of him wins over the best versions of Ronnie and Jay, maybe if he keeps improving and stepping up his game for a few next year the conversation will change.
@newport55043 жыл бұрын
He has the worst looking stomach
@davidkosiba6243 жыл бұрын
@@ahlawymasry8743 Bruh you really think that Ramy can hang with the best version of Jay and Ronnie? If so then you must be the biggest fangirl of Ramy lol
@yushy58163 жыл бұрын
It's a shame Ramy's lighting/oil doesn't pop as much. Definitely causes my eyes to drift towards Jay or Ronnie.
@6473n64m193 жыл бұрын
This is so true, you may even see a rant win with the same conditions, the lighting was even better for jay than it was for ramy as well
@willyhwang10593 жыл бұрын
Ramy's abs look the most normal.
@felipezanelato43833 жыл бұрын
Wtf?
@imran49683 жыл бұрын
I really like Big Ramy physique and I would say he is the most aesthetic and he can definitely hold his own against them at least from the front and legs.
@vinzchannel013 жыл бұрын
Big Ramy is the more aesthetic version of the two while staying that mass monster size
@Kojaphilosophy3 жыл бұрын
no?
@davidkosiba6243 жыл бұрын
Honestly for me Jay looks my far the best in the back double (from an aesthetic point of view not from a judge's view) , side triceps and abs and tigh , maybe in the most muscular too
@mikebird51483 жыл бұрын
Ramy has a bigger frame, but not bigger muscles, Coleman and Cutler packed a lot of muscle on their frames and still got shredded.
@valerioscharer46763 жыл бұрын
True, coleman especially had a narrow hips, waist and joints wich makes the muscles stand out as well. Phil only weights 240 and killed many guys waay heavier. Prime phil would have beat this ramy easily even if he is 50 pounds leighter Weight does not matter, muscularity does wich is not the same thing.
@michaello23933 жыл бұрын
I never really find Ronny Colman is very eye pleasing to me I’m sorry if I offended some people but to me Jay and Ramy are much more eye pleasing
@dudedude76503 жыл бұрын
He looked best in 98 and 99 with crazy conditioning and great size. But yeah for the most part he’s not the most eye pleasing guy to look at but in terms of just size, conditioning and muscle development he was just so ahead of everybody. From a pure bodybuilding perspective he is nearly impossible to beat at his best. But from a fan’s perspective especially when you weigh the aesthetics a lot more he’s not going to do as well.
@christianbozwell49813 жыл бұрын
Wonder why 🤔
@NumberJuanSpot3 жыл бұрын
Tom you’re one of the few channels I’ll watch 15 min + videos and not a skip a single second! Cool idea and great analysis as always man 👍🏽
@damkmankm37553 жыл бұрын
ADHD?
@NumberJuanSpot3 жыл бұрын
Nah, just my interest in the content and the personality of the KZbinr
@mr.olympiacutler18293 жыл бұрын
I think Jay Cutler would win to Ramy in a lot of the poses. My opinion.
@stephencurran22843 жыл бұрын
What poses do you give to jay and to ramy may i ask
@vojtamaximus52913 жыл бұрын
@@stephencurran2284 I would also like to know, just for info
@vojtamaximus52913 жыл бұрын
I was honesty surprised how well did ramy stand against these 2. I would atleast hesitate to put him under Jay.
@AlexanderGeorge3 жыл бұрын
I prefer Cutler's physique compared to both Ronnie and Big Ramy. He was a bit blocky but he always came in condition and never had a bubble gut
@stephencurran22843 жыл бұрын
@@AlexanderGeorge honestly ramy objectively has the tightest midsection of them all. And jay was not always in condition (see 2007, 2008 olympia) in fact there are only maybe 5 times jay really brought it
@murozman3 жыл бұрын
Big Ramy's side chest will go down in legend. The way he hit it in the Olympia this year was absolutely tremendous and original.
@carloscontreras36332 жыл бұрын
I don’t agree. He doesn’t have the arms to make the side chest a big wow.
@HardbrasH12 жыл бұрын
but I agree, yep, it was legendary.
@jingelegjingelek40403 жыл бұрын
I mean we seen ramy side by side in 2013 Olympia I think I know Jay was not in best shape still one the biggest he ever was and it was not even funny how much bigger and wider ramy was way better too!
@NemeanLion-3 жыл бұрын
Great analysis, but it’s really hard to do these guys justice unless they’re on the same stage in a lineup.
@suryaanshmokta95053 жыл бұрын
why doesn't anyone talk about ronnie's bubble gut?
@user-cv2lb6el7y3 жыл бұрын
Ronnie has cult like fanbase, which overestimate him.
@Oho1593 жыл бұрын
its old news. no1 cares about it now
@TehShooterx3 жыл бұрын
Bro look at the hands on hip. No way that goes to ronnie with that horrible mid section. Ramy is perfection in that pose
@youbename253 жыл бұрын
Ronnie is wider than phil
@quietatse3 жыл бұрын
@@user-cv2lb6el7y No, Ronnie has haters who underestimate him.
@radu79193 жыл бұрын
Man, Tom's jokes get better as years pass 😂
@Solo-50503 жыл бұрын
Before I even watch here's my answer! Aside from his over sized quads he's got the most pleasing structure of them all. He has super wide shoulders and a small waist by comparison. However there's no "wow factor" to his muscle bellies. If only he had better separation...
@mxz20243 жыл бұрын
yea ramy only lacks those special cuts..his arms look big but boring and a lil bit too small next to his quads. his chest is big but also could need more wow factor somehow. and his back and calves are probably the weakest parts. still, ramy as a paackage is nearly unbeatable. if ramy jsut improves his lower back and back detail, calves and jsut overall even more wow factor conditioning..then its game over :D but if brandon curry improves his legs to a point that his legs keep up with ramys...ramy can go home :D
@stevec90933 жыл бұрын
Brandon's gotta play the size game
@teatowel113 жыл бұрын
@@ahlawymasry8743 Ramy also has shorter femurs (upper leg) relative to his height which is why his quads look so freaky. Ramy has a longer torso. The only part of Ramy that I prefer is his tight midsection which is a real tribute considering his size.
@MeanBeanComedy3 жыл бұрын
I REALLY like the backgrounds, Tom. Solid innovation. These comparison videos can be such an eyesore with the branding and lights in each shot, and the solid background looks professional, visible, and makes them seem more legendary. Thanks, buddy.
@therealtomframpton26623 жыл бұрын
The background is so much better now you've standardised it!!!
@dragon-x-i68633 жыл бұрын
I love how he said: ramys and ramys at 7:03
@perilouslambasting68163 жыл бұрын
The pic at 4:31 makes it feel like gold (Jay) silver (Ron) and bronze (BR)
@dreadsystem62027 ай бұрын
Ramy looks like the perfect bodybuilder in that front lat spread
@Brent64343 жыл бұрын
Really like the new background idea! I definitely think it's a very nice addition and I would love to see more of it in your future videos!
@kaleandoscope3 жыл бұрын
Really love the comparisons, you stole the words outta my mouth man lol. I don't usually 100% agree with comparisons that I watch like this one but this time I do. Good job! Have a great day Tom.
@garethllewellyn2153 жыл бұрын
Also..a comment thats not a waste of time ....the consistent background is a very good idea and welcome addition to the videos...Great work
@escanor99202 жыл бұрын
To me, 2009 Jay Cutler is just UNBEATABLE !!!
@anthonynoce90713 жыл бұрын
This video is amazing when i saw the title I was like ramy doesn’t compare but honestly the detail you go into actually makes it respectable
@housesports000 Жыл бұрын
I think the reason why 2009 Jay Cutler is mostly last in these poses cause for what he lacked in mass he had supreme conditioning and of course the era
@Looch273 жыл бұрын
Fantastic video as always Tom, for sure the best bodybuilding YT channel out there. And a really nice touch removing the backgrounds out of the pics u used
@iLearnS3 жыл бұрын
Big Ramy - Only mass monster of modern era without a bubble gut.
@mcbeav3 жыл бұрын
LOLOLOL The background makes some of these photos look like picture day at elementary school
@blazerspitter20683 жыл бұрын
I didn't think of it that way until you said lol
@ToddWright22 жыл бұрын
Really hard to knock your choices. Exceedingly well done.
@shotgunshelz79873 жыл бұрын
I like the replacement backgrounds, but try to keep it a little more consistent with brightness. The bright green and blue are a bit distracting. But I like it for easier comparisons.
@victormattar21993 жыл бұрын
Bro, i definitely recognize your effort in making a video like this. Great job - much appreciated!
@jamesoliver82043 жыл бұрын
There are a lot of photos of Ramy going around in comparisons that don't do his condition justice at the O, he really dialed it in if you watched the stream. The photos in this vid are pretty good.
@Shm00ly3 жыл бұрын
The result here was about spot on... what would you say he did better? If anything Jay is totally undersold by these photos.
@jamesoliver82043 жыл бұрын
@@Shm00ly Yeah I don't have a problem with anything Tom says I was referring to elsewhere.
@giulianosbewusstsein3 жыл бұрын
Bullshit. He was not in really good conditioning
@DruiD.aprime3 жыл бұрын
His conditioning can't compare to Phil's, let alone Ronnie's, Jay's and Dorian's.
@davidcurrie40513 жыл бұрын
Such an underrated BB channel. Should be at 1 mill+ subs but you'll get there man keep the content coming
@phillipthomas43283 жыл бұрын
Great video as always Tom! You are the best bodybuilding channel in the game! I do like the up-and-coming marks Max muscle he does some pretty good comparisons like you do as well. However I did like the background change, but I think if you just keep one color it’ll make it a little better in my opinion. I thought the color variations made it too crazy, but I’m sure you were just having fun switching it up just to see what looked good. But if you did that for other videos I think one solid color would be good probably a black background just to keep it consistent but I guess boring haha 😆
@ravsinghrajput21052 жыл бұрын
When Ronnie shows his back, you better believe it.... *It's over...and your fantasy becomes a reality*
@dmoney34913 жыл бұрын
Big Ron all the way but cutlers color is perfect
@danielquinn3123 жыл бұрын
Nice comparison video, the shots are interesting but it's always hypothetical unless they are actually together.
@TheEvilValentine3 жыл бұрын
I too loved the cut out backgrounds.
@NilsMueller3 жыл бұрын
Bro I love the background trick you did, makes it so much more immersive and easier to focus on the physiques.
@ashmerch25583 жыл бұрын
Tomn8er : did Big Ron or Jay start strumming an air guitar mid-round? Me : Did Big Ramy ever bounce around raising the roof ? 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 But seriously... will we ever see anyone who looks like they even belong on the same stage as Coleman, from the rear, specifically the rear relaxed or the rear lat spread
@samraizshoaib5853 жыл бұрын
Dorian is about the only one. And perhaps Phil.
@Giuvannuzzeddu3 жыл бұрын
YES! Neutral backgrounds please! IFBB, please take notice!
@pricerowland3 жыл бұрын
I like them all for different reasons, but man I love Jay's posing. He somehow kept that enormous amount of muscle flowing.
@user-kw5bq1li5r3 жыл бұрын
Jay has a 9 pack
@danielgould29383 жыл бұрын
Liked the analysis. I'm not a fan of Ramy but you made some good points, liked the Phil reference
@user-iu3ok4sq9y3 жыл бұрын
Thank you for removing the ads
@torynichols24133 жыл бұрын
I think it's pretty awesome that Ronnie has to be at his worst and everyone else has to be at their best to even be in the conversation
@pepelaugh39933 жыл бұрын
I dont see why people fanboy over Colemans physique so much. He is inevitable one of the greatest if not the greatest bodybuilder of all time, but his midsection is not pleasing at all to look at from a bodybuilding point of view. Everyone hating on Phils midsection but ronnie colemans was 5 times worse. Looked really BAD.
@sourstrawberry66363 жыл бұрын
Like for the background edit, please do that in every video... finally i can use my eyes to compare
@Kevin_Calzada3 жыл бұрын
Agree
@uvespatel38283 жыл бұрын
Your way of analysing is second to none
@quist61543 жыл бұрын
The quality of the lighting... hasn’t improved through the years
@MegaAhmad19943 жыл бұрын
i think it got worse
@SandraWantsCoke3 жыл бұрын
@@MegaAhmad1994 it was terrible, especially on Curry, who just looked like a dark spot against a bright background. They need to bring back dark background and more powerful lights.
@teatowel113 жыл бұрын
They should have a day sometime before the olympia where they set up the lighting and camera positions and allow the contestants to check it out so they can work on the best angles and shade for their tan. They really need some pros to improve that lighting, its a disgrace really.
@KCDarin3 жыл бұрын
Ur right.. BY Jay's own mouth several times he's said he was 254 in 2009. I forgot who said Ramy was only 5'9 early on but it stuck when you could always tell he was a couple of inches taller than Heath. Dennis James corrected Shawn Perine (RIP) at the 2016 Olympia saying Ramy was 5"11. Maybe he's 5"10.5 but not 5"9 but I realize they have listed him as 5'9 many times. BBing - The only sport where people claim to be shorter and heavier
@kristsostad75713 жыл бұрын
Background effects were amazing bro
@myflesh103 жыл бұрын
I dont care how big Ramy gets or how conditioned, he does not have the degree of aesthetic structure of these two, and though we disagree about Jay quite a bit I really dig that You got some solid backgrounds for these pix, the black being the most revealing/clarifying.
@usmilitary2803 жыл бұрын
Ramy, even though not as crisp and polished as the other two, still is my favorite Physique out of the three of them simply because of balance and structure. He looks the most massive (which he is, he weighs the most) where as still looking aesthetically appealing as far as mass monsters can look so.
@phuocthanh02072 жыл бұрын
Ronnie is just on another level. Muscle bellies , size, grainy look...
@jerseyjoe16773 жыл бұрын
I like the black background! And the same neutral backgrounds .
@khalidamajoud41143 жыл бұрын
Best BB channel by a mile. Keep up the good work, buddy! 😎
@sorinruga34343 жыл бұрын
Using your own background aas a good idea, tho I'd have used another Jay if i made the list(even if 2009 is my favourite Jay as well, he had Olympias when he was bigger, and you need size to hang with these 2 big boys)
@mrblonde74623 жыл бұрын
Give Ramy a few years to grow and with Chad Nichols as his coach Ramy’s going to be at the top for years to come and I love his dry look
@mangilitking45723 жыл бұрын
Happy new year tom, lets wait for ramy like a couple of years he'll come to his own💯🔥
@szveszs2 жыл бұрын
80s - 00s = the best era. Just getting better and better and them just getting freakier and weird a bit for me.
@joshuawalker3013 жыл бұрын
My man keeps pushing content! Great job man! I like your videos even from waaay back in the day, even tho I changed accounts I always subscribe back!
@ElizondoAbelardo Жыл бұрын
With Big Ramy looking pretty promising so far for this upcoming Olympia, maybe Tomn8er should update this match up...
@TimeOut2103 жыл бұрын
You have obviously taken a lot of trouble and attention to detail here, and I must say that am most definitely in agreement with your assessment. Great post.
@isaacsantos91863 жыл бұрын
I mean I think it’s a valid point that no comparisons are to an individual’s first win, Ramy may stack up better towards the middle of his (probable) reign
@TheForbiddenLean Жыл бұрын
Jay's conditioning from the back was always sub-par, even in his most conditioned and shredded years. It's more of a genetic thing really, because his abs and thighs were always diced, even when he was off the mark, however his glutes and lower back were always soft. I think it is fair to criticize him for his weaknesses, but still commend him for his MASSIVE strengths. For example: many guys can rock a Christmas tree lower back and have a lot of details throughout the back and be praised for being the best thing since sliced bread, but be washed out in the abs, and still be like, "Ya, but that's more of a genetic thing." Just seems a bit unfair to Jay, ya know. Jay played his strengths and I believe was great for that. I remember when I got sliced and diced, stage ready, and had crazy vascularity and striations throughout my chest and shoulders, and could even see a distinct split in the bicep heads. However, my triceps were not really feathered, nor my quads. I feel like, to this day, Jay in 2009 was the driest he has ever been and pushed his conditioning (and more than likely his health) to his genetic peak, seeing as to how hard his glutes and hams were. His legs were smaller, but even more sliced than ever before. His legs in 2009 were flayed as fk. The best wheels in the history of bodybuilding (for shape and conditioning). Jay even said at one point in his career he didn't train legs for something like 6 months because they shoot ahead of every other body part. He intentionaly made them a bit smaller, so they would look sharper, and he would look more balanced.
@tylerm35673 жыл бұрын
I think Ramy measures up to these guys pretty well. I would still rank 1. Ronnie 2. Jay 3. Ramy
@tanghim82443 жыл бұрын
I really like this video, but I can’t get over how small you made Jay looked😅
@arvidpetersson22523 жыл бұрын
He’s shorter than both ramy and Ronnie and of course in 2009 he was not at his biggest, I think if it was 2006 then he would look bigger but not as conditioned
@tanghim82443 жыл бұрын
@@arvidpetersson2252 you can check the videos of Ramy next to Jay on stage, as they competed with each other.
@potatolard96433 жыл бұрын
The altered backroubnds were perfect, not distracting at all and added a little more zest with the coolness of it all. 10/10
@Journeyofnow_3 жыл бұрын
Keep removing the background. One less distraction when comparing. I appreciate all the time you take when making these videos.
@gracecar58203 жыл бұрын
Wow you really went wild in photoshop. Good cropping, they give a better feel than the separate photos. You may be able to lean to make the lighting appear a more similar level or warmth. Not too much, but a little bit of an even out would take this to the next level
@monsoon11743 жыл бұрын
Fun video as always. I'll offer up my own thoughts as well. First off, damn, great job using the andro photos for Rammy. Marx Max Muscle is using a bunch of blurry screenshots that do Rammy no justice, so it's great seeing someone use the best photos avialable since they showcase just how dry and detailed Rammy was. Kudos. Also, I think the scaling is somewhat off. This isn't exactly your fault per say, but here's a video by Nick showcasing the size discrepency between Jay and Big Rammy. Rammy is about 2 inches taller. Just check out 2:12 on this video. kzbin.info/www/bejne/b5-2aWR6h52Kn6s Big rammy dwarfs Jay, partially from size but also in height. That's a shadow of Jay of course, but it's more so a reference for their overall sizes. Worthy of mention, Rammy's legs are bent at the knees, but he's still taller than Jay. I'd say height wise, Jay's about 5'8-8.5, but he tends to pose without bending at the knees as much. Ronnie is 5'11, and he looks it on stage. Rammy's 5'10 or so, but he bends in a lot of poses so its hard to see sometimes. Anyways, here's what I think of the poses. Front Double - the oddness you're marking for Rammy comes from his torso length, not his upper arm lengths. Rammy has short legs and a long torso, like a toned down Nathan Deasha. I'd give this to Ron, then Rammy, then Jay. Jay's biceps are very assymetrical. You mentioned that not being a huge deal in other videos, but in this case, Jay's left bicep is over twice as large as his right. That Jay's quad sweep is the worst in the shot, as well, and his quads showcase little feathering here. His waist is the widest as well. Rammy's legs are the biggest by far, with Ronnie's calves actually being worse than Rammy's. Rammy also has the narrowest waist by a fair margin. Ronnie's lat taper is better, however, and his arms are very chiseled. Ronnie wins off wow factor in my opinion, but Jay is dead last. He's getting outmuscled by the other two here. Front Lat Spread - I give it to Ronnie. Ronnie fills out the lats a ton, his chest is ultra striated, and his narrow stance would make him appear around 2-3 inches taller than the others here. Rammy's second for the reasons you mentioned, and Jay just looks undersized compared to these guys. Oddly enough, he's getting bullied, but that makes sense since he's giving 30-40 pounds to the other two competitors, and he's the shortest as well. Side Chest - It's tough to say. I lean towards Rammy because he's polished throughout the pose, unlike Ronnie. Ronnie isn't sucking in his midsection much, if at all. Jay's doing an admirable job there, but he's just undersized compared to these other two. Something worthy of note, Rammy's brachialis and bicep separate very well in this pose. Just something I noticed. Back Double - Ronnie is a different animal. Great analysis. Back Lat Spread - Ronnie is a different animal. I agree. Side Tricep - I agree with your points. Rammy needs to work on his technique, because I think with flexed abs and proper tricep flexing, he'd run away with this one. Ab and Thigh - I agree. Most Muscular - Rammy needs to stick to poses that highlight his structure, narrow waist, and lets him show off detail. His hand on hip variations do that, but his crab and hands clasp don't. I personally think Jay is getting outmuscled in these shots. His quad sweep is inferior to Rammy, his waist is much wider, and he lookst he least 'muscular' so to speak. Overall, I give Ron the nod and Rammy a firm second. Personally, I think Jay's not as great in 2009 as people think. They beleive every shot of his was like his quad stomp, but in reality, he wasn't that impressive across all the mandatories. He has strong shots like the ab and thigh/side tricep, but his other shots lack the alien appearence that rammy/Ronnie have. In this comparison, that's showcased to its fullest. Great video though, and you always do a great job of remaining unbiased.
@Tomn8er3 жыл бұрын
Great points and I can see the validity of your arguments for each pose. The one thing I would caution is that Ramy-Jay height comparison in NSP's vid. First off you can't see their feet, which is an automatic red flag, but it looks like Ramy is standing slightly in front. Depending on camera angle, a couple inches closer to the audience could equate to an inch or two of height, easily. Trying to gauge heights of guys, even while standing together on stage, is an extremely fickle process and can be misleading IME.
@monsoon11743 жыл бұрын
@@Tomn8er Yeah, I tried to word my critiques without any harshness, as scaling is a fickle beast. Here's an example of another side by side comparison where you can see the difference in heights between the two, and sorry it's a super long google link: www.google.com/search?q=2013+ramy+vs+jay+cutler&tbm=isch&ved=2ahUKEwjN6oDZpYjuAhWRoFMKHSrzCMUQ2-cCegQIABAA&oq=2013+ramy+vs+jay+cutler&gs_lcp=CgNpbWcQA1Dg9wVYn_sFYIX8BWgAcAB4AIABQIgBf5IBATKYAQCgAQGqAQtnd3Mtd2l6LWltZ8ABAQ&sclient=img&ei=YzH2X42tLZHBzgKq5qOoDA&bih=647&biw=1253&client=opera&hs=qIK#imgrc=UZlDJXY57jCLtM&imgdii=Vi5AaOZ9QSOwGM You can't see their full feet, but there's most of them there. Even tilting back, Rammy's still taller, and his shoulders are substantially higher. Some of that could be the angle, but I'm doubtful the angle can make up that kind of height difference.
@Atuhx3 жыл бұрын
really love the backgrounds make it so much easier to judge
@phunnyrao3 жыл бұрын
BIG RAMY blew off Jay and Ronnie in the mid section and quads.
@king0vdarkness3 жыл бұрын
Here's my breakdown of who wins and by what muscle/features: 1:28 goes to ramy, lats, quads and mid section 1:55 goes to ramy, again quads and mid section 3:47 Ronnie wins back 4:57 goes to ramy, lats, midsection v cut and quads 6:02 ramy, abs, quads, shoulders 6:50 ramy, forearm striations, hamstrings 8:17 Ronnie back, hamstrings 8:52, 9:40 Ronnie back and hamstrings 10:22 ramy, waist, legs 11:59 ramy waist (otherwise Ronnie wins) 13:51 ramy again tightness of the waist 14:51 ramy waist and symmetry 15:51 Ronnie shoulders, chest, traps and biceps Ofc this is my own opinion
@HardbrasH12 жыл бұрын
no chance for Cutler? cmon man he is the best in some poses
@gatto4819 ай бұрын
no way ramy takes the front double or the side chest
@apetogetherstrong42433 жыл бұрын
A human being beating Ronnie Coleman in the crab pose(even if it`s Phil) sounds like an April fools joke
@mahmodabdalgafer89943 жыл бұрын
imagine ramy 2021 mr.O coming with his 2017 back , and better arms and little bit smaller legs with more details
@stephencurran22843 жыл бұрын
Great video as always. I cant freaking stand how people are too caught up in the past to objectively compare the current crop of guys.
@jioreyes58382 жыл бұрын
0:43 “not even fit to wash jay’s posing trunks” 😂
@shanealanhaag3 жыл бұрын
Loved the video. Hearing Ronnie and Ramys names over and over was tricky knowing who you were talking about.
@miguelroman42943 жыл бұрын
" a certain 7X MR Olympia can tell you about that" lol 😆 great video Tom!