Video Notes: 1) Day 1 of the 2023 Christmas Bonanza! 8 videos in 8 days, starting on Christmas Day and ending on New Year's Day. 2) This video has chapters for those who wish to skip around. 3) Merry Christmas!
@DJHProductions9 ай бұрын
Unless it’s Black Lionel is going to get the color wrong. It amazes me that they made scale models of the Dreyfuss, the J engine, southern green, PRR Brunswick, Lehigh Valley red, Erie Lackawanna grey, T&P Orange, etc for years and yet they can’t get any of them right now. Even my Strasburg 90, a close to 2,000 dollar engine had awful shades of red. Unless it’s black, it’s going to be wrong.
@Eyrrll9 ай бұрын
I don’t get hung up on how prototypical my trains are but I will say that I just like the colors on the MTH better. That said, if I had shelled out thousands of dollars and didn’t get what I was expecting/wanted, I would probably be upset.
@TonyLasagna9 ай бұрын
First thing that came to mind was the spartan helmet as well, but also could be something celestial - like the moon, even. If I owned one of these and a 3d printer, I would probably make a plate for that and run it both ways.
@Ericstrains9 ай бұрын
Haha. Merry Christmas bud!
@TonyLasagna9 ай бұрын
merry christmas my friend
@LarryWGrant-dw6jo9 ай бұрын
Wow! My,my . . .how far we've come since I got a Lionel 221W set for Christmas in 1946! I was five-years-old and that Christmas was one of the most memorable. Great choice Eric!
@pokebreeder25177 ай бұрын
how much did lionel trains cost back in your day compared to now?
@GlennFresch9 ай бұрын
It’s nice that Lionel made different versions to reflect different stages in the engines life.
@FanRailer9 ай бұрын
Whistles 1 and 3 are probably the most prototypical for this locomotive.
@bungieman28102 ай бұрын
I'd say 2 is probably the most accurate
@hawkeyeten24502 ай бұрын
Funny you should say that. I'd say #2 sounds VERY close to actual footage I've seen on KZbin of Dreyfuss Hudsons back in like the 1940s and 50s. They have almost a howling-type call in some of the clips.
@doubleutubefan59 ай бұрын
When the lionel is next the the MTH, man it almost looks pure white. I am not a NYC fan at all, but those passenger cars are something! They look great.
@Jeebuus9 ай бұрын
As far as I know, the NYC's president didn't want older steam hanging around in the wake of modern diesel power because he didn't want any potentially antiquated reminders of the railroad's past hanging around to drag down their forward-lookimg image. Obviously that didn't help them in the long run and it's a damn shame that basically no examples of their most iconic steam power hung around.
@colestrains129 күн бұрын
Let’s not forget the 2 mohawks
@zachwheeler98469 ай бұрын
I like the MTH version since its more realistic and the extra streamlining with the tender flaps and coupler cover, on the other hand I like the colors on the Lionel version over the MTH one. Excited to see what's to come for this years Christmas Bonanza. Hope you and Lisa have great and safe Christmas! Great review Eric!
@renegade35779 ай бұрын
Even though I love the variety of whistles that Lionel offers on the new models I still love the whistle on the MTH Dryfess. One of my favorites of all time!
@maxwellwalcher64209 ай бұрын
I love Hudsons.
@Calebro49 ай бұрын
That was a really nice side-by-side pan over comparison of each engine. Very easy to see the differences.
@Shipwright19189 ай бұрын
With the scale stuff, I'd argue all the various makes are pretty similar when it comes to particular models, as they're all modelling the same prototype. Main differences are special features/electronics and final price. The nice thing about MTH is that the control/sound system remains the same through their entire range, semi-scale Railking and the scale RK Imperial and Premier lines. As you say, more bang for your buck.
@thesheq50239 ай бұрын
As a primary n scaler im constantly modifying my engines cars and details. It’s something that a lot of especially bigger scales get to take for granted. Yes this set is expensive but so is o scale as a whole. It is a set that some people may want to customize or repaint it but its definitely a feature heavy set :)
@JamesGaston-v4g9 ай бұрын
Amazing Locomotive Dreyfuss Hudson is 3 favorite Locomotive the new lionel vision line union pacific big boy 4014 and 4013 4000 are my favorite Dreyfus Hudson is beautiful Locomotive
@JamesGaston-v4g9 ай бұрын
My Grandpa was born in 1926 He was alive when a hudson was made he die 2012
@bxjibaro739 ай бұрын
@Eric's Trains - YES!!!! Finally a compare & contrast episode. It's not so much about which it better, but more about what does each one offer and which would you personally prefer. THANKS 4 THIS ONE ERIC! Hope to see more "Compare & Contrast" episodes like this from your well informed perspective. 👍🏼 👍🏼
@rowsdower129 ай бұрын
Gorgeous. Of course I'm bias as I'm a NYC fan. Especially the 20th century limited. One of my favorite historical eras in America. The non streamline Hudsons were classics. Niagaras are nice too. Holy axles on the tender batman. Great video as always
@insAneTunA9 ай бұрын
The fact that the Lionel is less glossy also makes it more realistic to me.
@joeorillio10079 ай бұрын
You do realize that the term "varnish" referred to the High Gloss these crack passenger trains at the time were finished in.
@insAneTunA9 ай бұрын
@@joeorillio1007 That might be the case, I am not an expert by any means. But I can imagine that the trains were not looking shiny and glossy all the time. Maybe right after a cleanup if they ever did that at all. But I think that the trains would have looked a bit mat colored and dusty for most of the time. But I did notice the clear difference in surface finish from the trains that were presented in this video. I have nothing against perfectly clean looking and shiny trains. But for realism I prefer the weathered or the less shiny trains. But that is just a personal preference from a person who only enjoys looking at it. I can also imagine that some collectors want to keep their trains in mint condition. So it is all good, sort of speak.
@TheGermanKnowsBest9 ай бұрын
Whistles 2 and 3 sound really good. Those sound like the historical Hudsons ❤.
@pyrerock9 ай бұрын
If you wanted an "in story" explanation for the difference in shades, you could say that the Lionel version represents the train in its later stage of life and thus the paint is just faded with age.
@Ericstrains9 ай бұрын
Ha yeah maybe
@michael619859 ай бұрын
If i was in this hobby i would want realism in my locomotives and the rolling stock as well
@paulwillard59249 ай бұрын
Funny how you mentioned the Spartan helmet, that’s what I thought too…😀
@mikestrainsthings9 ай бұрын
In the UK and to a smaller extent here in the states that shade is called photographic gray usually used by loco works to sell their engines, and it certain looks the part fantastic paint scheme
@TestBenchRRCo9 ай бұрын
One thing to keep in mind about locomotive paint back during the steam era: not every shade of grey, blue, white, etc is the same even if it’s for the same parent RR. The RR’s used whatever paint was obtainable at the shops to closely match the color specs to keep costs low; so if there were 10 Hudson’s in a yard, not all of them had matching paint.
@allegheny489 ай бұрын
Actually the NYC stocked specific shades of paint per the DuPont Company's paint code numbers. Passenger equipment, engines included, were always kept clean and paint touched up when needed until WWII basically put an end to such things. But one has to keep in mind that paint from that era wasn't as impervious to dirt, weathering and power washing as many of today's paints are. Therefore the colors tended to fade much more quickly than they do today. The Lionel Smithsonian Dreyfuss Hudson, released in 1993, was painted the exact shade of gray as the prototype Dreyfuss Hudson.
@ericwilliams26199 ай бұрын
I really like the lionel legacy dreyfus hudson extraordinary camera work and onboard footage 👍🏻✨️✨️✨️✨️✨️
@asdfdsa459 ай бұрын
Whistle #4 is ERR's medium steam loco whistle.
@ChazzLyons9 ай бұрын
Fantastic Eric, I like the Lionel version it has killer sound & looks great! I choose whistle #3 🤗
@GlennFresch9 ай бұрын
The level of detail on the new Lionel passenger cars is quite impressive. They seem to be approaching a fine scale level.
@HunterLohseRRVideos9 ай бұрын
My main focus in the railroad hobby is preserving movie film of all the great trains from the Golden Age that Lionel and MTH produce in O Scale. Color footage of the Century Super Hudsons exists and some of it can actually be seen in a preview here on KZbin! Herron Rail Video released it on Glory Machines Vol. 1 back in the 80s. The actual color on them as it appears on the film seems to be about in between the MTH colors and the recent Lionel Legacy release. I want to say Lionel is closer, as the prototype appears to my eye to be about two to three shades darker than theirs. No bias toward either brand as I do not own any O gauge (yet).
@markgouthro73759 ай бұрын
Thank you, it will always look like a Spartan helmet for me now!
@Ericstrains9 ай бұрын
It does!
@dougmasters6819 ай бұрын
Very Cool! Yes,I agree with you Eric. Spartan Helmet!
@Ericstrains9 ай бұрын
Thanks!
@traviscovington42949 ай бұрын
Thanks for these amazing videos Eric. Keep it up !
@joshuacantu1019 ай бұрын
Excellent video thanks Eric
@railmastergaming9 ай бұрын
whistle #3 was my favorite by far! Also i definitely favor the original grey over the light grey but after watching the model run the light grey started to grow on me and it doesnt look so bad now.
@jameskubajak84899 ай бұрын
I'm thinking about calling Lionel about a new idea for a twin diner set. It's for the late 50's (1959 to be precise), and includes dialogue from Alfred Hitchcock's North by Northwest.
@Porschedude89 ай бұрын
Excellent! 👍👍
@Ericstrains9 ай бұрын
Many thanks!
@mrlee549 ай бұрын
My favorite whistle on this steam locomotive is number 3 and bell number 2 is my favorit on this steam locomotive. And to anyone who doesn't think, that the color of the locomotive or it's passenger cars is painted right, you could always paint the locomotive and it's cars yourself, after you have bought the train.
@remie44949 ай бұрын
Merry Christmas Eric!🎄🎉
@Ericstrains9 ай бұрын
Same to you!
@johnlamprecht75239 ай бұрын
Old Hickory??? Great find, seamen and sailors love em for keeping a good edge
@Timothy2963Ай бұрын
There are enough photographs and film clips showing the authentic shade of grey so I cannot imagine why Lionel managed to get the grey so wrong? It’s such a monumental stuff up when everything else is so wonderful. I’m very thankful that I have the earlier TMCC version which has been upgraded to four chuffs, a fan driven smoke unit and ‘Fat Boy’ speakers.
@mattmatulewic8 ай бұрын
Another stellar video from Eric!
@Ericstrains8 ай бұрын
Thanks!
@lbeyyt65819 ай бұрын
Those cars are really nice
@FordEnthusiast4139 ай бұрын
Merry Christmas Eric!! I think Lionel’s version if the Dreyfuss looks amazing. I love anything New York Central!!
@ryantaylor32789 ай бұрын
Although the color may not be prototypical, I actually think the lighter grey looks better on the engine. It's more attractive to me. The only thing I'd change about the color is all the black detail below the shrouding and the truck and tender wheels were dark grey instead of black.
@theracetrackroute9 ай бұрын
Eric, Legacy Station’s display shelf sounds like a dangerous place, certainly not your first time where you ended up buying something you weren’t originally going to. 😂
@gordonsnell67359 ай бұрын
Very cool Eric & by the way your green locomotive looks cool to me as well, still both of the hudsons looked pretty cool side by side
@johnpandolfino86639 ай бұрын
Simply stunning.....
@Burmn9 ай бұрын
Nice piece. That MTH sounnd set is starting to show its age I feel like I hear that same chuff/whistle a lot. The obvious solution is to put the Lionel guts in the MTH tooling. lol
@TrainLover-wt9ix4 ай бұрын
Whistle 2 and 3 and bell 1 fits the locomotive
@richardkessler8 ай бұрын
I'm a new subscribed but long time model train lover... Your imagination and layout is mind blowing... For the comparison today..I prefer the color on the MTH....
@davidjenkins14849 ай бұрын
Really enjoyed this review. It is, very comprehensive, shows everything and compares to MTH. Nice job documenting the sounds of the locomotive and SS diner. It was all excellent. The 5454 color is very different from the cars but compliments them very well. I have the 5454 and the 5449 as well as the cars. Your review identifies the function of the different cars, I think better than other reviews and now I know how to order and run my consist. Thanks for your educational and great work!
@johnandrus39019 ай бұрын
A very fine set. The color is a bit light, but at least the cars match. The crew talk is still a bit of a let-down, though. Have a great New Year.
@TheMarkaorso9 ай бұрын
You done a wonderful job happy to see it I have been doing train shows I still need to get better in my videos I doing right now Washington State History Museum from Dec 22 until Jan 1 any help would be great
@alexanderdeburdegala46099 ай бұрын
The more complex running gear of the MTH I find infinity more attractive
@garys0scale5259 ай бұрын
I have the Christmas Doodlebug and would love to add passengers. I hope you do a video on that, because it looks really tight inside.
@GlennFresch9 ай бұрын
On the MTH vs Lionel engine appearance: the Lionel clearly has more detail. The MTH obviously has a more realistic color. The Lionel almost looks like an overexposed black and white photo. I’m hard pressed to pick a favorite.
@JohnDymowski9 ай бұрын
Both of mine are much darker. The Smithsonian version and the later 5452 which both match my only two Smithsonian brass pullmans nicely…
@WilliamCreator579 ай бұрын
Merry Christmas Eric!
@scottaldridge78889 ай бұрын
Beautiful models both the Lionel and MTH. Thanks for sharing.
@ThunderboltSirenStudios9 ай бұрын
BFIMO for me is going to have to be the running gear light because you just don't see that on many models, and that's what I think makes this model unique.
@houseofjax219 ай бұрын
Great video thank you sir.
@Ericstrains9 ай бұрын
Glad you enjoyed it
@traviscovington42949 ай бұрын
It’s crazy how Lionel reccomends 0-72 for that Hudson while mth is 0-42. Very odd. Thoughts?
@wyattbrownlee31089 ай бұрын
I think a lot of it has to do with the tender. If you compare the two you can see the lionel train has more wheels on the tender compared to the mth
@ldever39 ай бұрын
MTH has huge gaps between the cars. You always have to trade off something to get something.
@gizmotrains9 ай бұрын
100% the tender is the limiting factor. Tried with my O63 loop and although it did make it through the curves, it was barely and not happy. O72 is accurate and a must.
@asteroidrules9 ай бұрын
It's a bit of a recurring thing, MTH stuff generally handles tighter curves than Lionel.
@FordEnthusiast4139 ай бұрын
Is the MTH Dreyfuss a Railking one?
@shafiqshabazz24629 ай бұрын
Always love the unboxings.....
@garyjust.johnson14369 ай бұрын
Merry Christmas 2023!
@ldever39 ай бұрын
I actually prefer the look of Lionel’s semi-fantasy paint scheme. I don’t model NYC, so for this I don’t care. I do model Southern, and that Atlantic should have been black. As prices increase, I think Lionel owes us correct colors. That tender is awesome, even more so than the engine, at least in my opinion. In any case, this set is beautiful.
@doubleutubefan59 ай бұрын
I love how we got an onboard ride on top of the tender. I wonder if there's any way to get a camera facing to the rear inside of that observation car? I know there's like small cameras that are attached to wires and they're barely noticeable. I think that'd be a really cool project. I might have to do that. You gave me a good idea
@Ericstrains9 ай бұрын
Like a camera facing out of the back of the observation car?
@doubleutubefan59 ай бұрын
@@Ericstrains yes. I haven't seen anyone put a small camera INSIDE the car. I have seen those small cameras used for looking in pipes or on robots. That would be sure cool to try. I'll have to start after the holidays.
@Per-MichaelJarnberg9 ай бұрын
The whistle 3 sounds similar to the 3 chime Hancock whistle on the SP4449. The engine looks phenomenal I can’t wait to see more Lionel and other train videos in 2024
@Adamdaj9 ай бұрын
Merry Christmas! The nose on the Dreyfuss reminds me of a HOBART Mixer or some sort of machinery for in food prep industry. Other than that, it is very impressive and looks good on a layout.
@Ericstrains9 ай бұрын
Ha, that's funny. I worked with those mixers back in the day. Haha.
@Adamdaj9 ай бұрын
@@Ericstrains I didn't mean to sound disrespectful. The nose looks like the mixing bowl,
@Brayden44729 ай бұрын
Whistle 2 is my favorite! Great video Eric
@daivdwalker23749 ай бұрын
1st whistle and 1st bell for me Merry Christmas Eric and Lisa looking forward to 2morrow's video also
@Ericstrains9 ай бұрын
Merry Christmas!
@DjsOgaugeTrains9 ай бұрын
Thanks for showing the Lionel dreyfuss next to the Mth. Yeah Lionel is waaaay off on the color, but the entire set looks good! And that Kermit the frog Atlantic…. Yeah terrible green. For the money we spend on these models IMO, Lionel needs to be more consistent on getting colors right on scale models. I’m Not bashing Lionel, I love their products. But this is an area that needs improvement, especially as prices continue to creep up. Merry Christmas and thanks for the video!
@gustavovasile4289 ай бұрын
GREAT VÍDEO!! MERRY CHRISTMAS FROM MONTEVIDEO, URUGUAY!!
@backonpro56799 ай бұрын
Nice model, but they REALLY missed the mark with they gray. Considering how expensive model trains are, I’d say the complaints are more than justified
@dukeboy19899 ай бұрын
My favorite whistle is number two and my favorite Bell is number one
@DennyDreadBassMan9 ай бұрын
The front end looks like the space ships from Flash Gordon.
@ericsnyder16476 ай бұрын
At first glance I like the Lionel. Especially the coal it really stands out. But up close the MTH has much better detail. Plus the MTH probably has the correct color. I saw a colorized picture that was a blueish gray color. Wonder if that was more true. Or just someone thought that color looked better.
@marvelllesmana45278 ай бұрын
My fav whistle is number 4
@krtrains1239 ай бұрын
I would like to see a comparison with the 18027 from 1992 , thanks for the video
@badams02449 ай бұрын
Man, you pound out these videos pretty quick (was just pulling in behind you at LS 3-4 days ago ..fun fact,(( I worked at General Medical, Max Goodlow, which is now McKesson)) you were dock side so it was the BB set or this Dreyfus I'm guessing). Did hear the edit was where most time is spent .. Regardless, great videos, always enjoy and your reviews influence much of what I decide to purchase. Re the Dreyfus color, have seen in person at LS, it's a bit light if you compare to Lionel's vol 2 2002 release, still looks very good but it can color change depending on the light source. The MTH you've compared to is very close to the Lionel 2002 model. But again, the new Lionel Dreyfus looks great as presented. But, regarding color .. with AI and there is this company called Dr. Color Chip (accurately matches exact colors to 6 figure cars needing touch up) I would imagine Lionel could deploy the same tech to match their past colors produced to near perfection.
@michaelalauriajr79979 ай бұрын
Lionel was given the paint formula from members of the New York Central Historical Society and still got it wrong. Their business model must be “the number of customers that adherence to prototype matters in scale model is so small they are not important.” The so called 80/20 Principle.
@badams02448 ай бұрын
That's unfortunate .. I would never mis diagnose a patient then blame it on my not having the correct information @@michaelalauriajr7997
@thejdmguru6219 ай бұрын
To quote Alfred E. Perlman, “I WANT THAT STEAM ENGINE”
@jsgtrains31769 ай бұрын
Hi Eric, I loved this review and the ay you addressed the coloring. I am ot a rivet counter, so this color would be ok with me. To your point, Lionel has made some real color disasters like the reading Camelback a few years ago. It was a total disaster. I am not sure why Lionel has to overprice passenger cars that MTH used to sell. I am thinking they are trying to recover tooling cost to quickly. Best, Joe Gozzo
@dizguy899 ай бұрын
Great vid!! I got the whole set, going to slowly be picking it up cause it is a really expensive set for sure! I really hate that they don't put people in their cars anymore, another expense Ive just had to factor in now. Where do you get your people Eric? I have at this point both the broadway, north coast limited and the 20th that need filling out with people.
@JSRFModCentral8 ай бұрын
Personally I like the MTH one more. The color is more accurate
@donaldwiller92389 ай бұрын
Great job 👏
@billcrowe71119 ай бұрын
Hi Eric, great vid. You know you will get the other 2 cars. 😅
@ethanslape88899 ай бұрын
the issue is that Lionel screwed up the color so bad. can't believe they were okay with this
@kevinmartin99409 ай бұрын
Eric, 21 inch cars are definitely expensive. I got all 8 of 5hem and it’s like putting a down payment to lease a car. Regardless, they are stunning. I have begged Lionel to start adding figures at the factory, makes the price point more palatable.
@northpennvalleysteamrailroad9 ай бұрын
Cool comparison 😊
@Ericstrains9 ай бұрын
Thanks! 😀
@DRCRailroard9 ай бұрын
Merry Christmas Eric, it's a gorgeous model. I've always found the streamlined steamers to be a fascinating design. The Lionel color scheme looks great. I find it acceptable. I like whistle 3 and bell 4. I'm not a big fan of any of the talking sounds to have an opinion. Its interesting that you refer to the drivers as box pox. I've always referred to them as box spoke hence the shortened spelling boxpok. since the design is based off of the combination of both the Box and spoke wheel designs with a shortened spelling. Box pox sounds like it has some kind of virus like chickenpox. Boxspoke would be more suited to the actual design than anything involving chicken disease. Is boxpox the accepted pronunciation for this design? If it is they should change the k to an x. Just curious.
@nicksherock89619 ай бұрын
Imagine if you got the #5454 Fantasy scheme alongside your passenger cars.
@louisletourneau34299 ай бұрын
Very nice locos , wonder which grey is closest to the real NYC grey . Is there still cars of that set in museum somewhere ? As for the whistle I prefer the #3 but I never heard the real one ..... Great video , thanks !!!
@Steven_Williams9 ай бұрын
Happy Holidays Eric!
@davidjenkins14849 ай бұрын
I think MTH is less money because there is less in them generally. Where Lionel might be die cast MTH is plastic. I liked whistle #2. There is just something about it which says passenger train to me.
@NepsiNetCEO5 ай бұрын
Whistle 3 is the best. It fits any large steam locomotive
@charlesbrown9599 ай бұрын
Thank goodness for MTH.
@pearsooo69729 ай бұрын
What a difference..I do like the lionel one. And if you ever want to get rid of that green steam engine let me know please. The camera on top.of the train is a sweet way for a ride
@Maxmellow949 ай бұрын
I like whistle 2 and 5
@rystrains.64059 ай бұрын
fun fact there is new york central hudson tender at steam town
@gregleuze66579 ай бұрын
If I was a suspicious person I would think that the color difference is done to make sure people have to purchase the Lionel Passenger Cars to go with that engine. At that price there should be figures included with the passenger cars to be used if wanted. I have no reference to what color the engine should be but I would guess somewhere between the two models. Closer to the MTH? The sounds were very clear. Prices being what they are, I have to be very selective on what I pick up.
@Tomeleck9 ай бұрын
Cynical, but probably a realistic assessment.
@Bigboy40189 ай бұрын
I like the lighter grey color. Whistle #1 sounds the best to me.