How far can you take the Defiant, Voyager, & Talios in STFC? | Exploring the long term paths

A question almost @everyone asks when new specialty ships come out is "how far will they take me?" (Besides the normal player's annoyance with STFC constantly turning iconic Trek things into what feels like pointless loops. Looking at you, USS Voyager). Beyond that though, can these ships be viable as long term ships? Can you use a Defiant instead of a D4? What about a Talios instead of a Kelvin? Let's talk math!
Topics covered:
1. The Pros & Cons of the top 3 specialty ships currently in the game (Determining Top 3 by usability outside of niche. EX: Voyager = PVE, Defiant = Armadas, Talios = PVP)
2. Scaling! How do they scale vs their counterparts?
3. While these ships are never your strongest ships, does the math show they can be viable secondary/tertiary focuses?
4. If you have any game mechanic questions, feel free to drop those questions in the comments!
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[@vikroy3777]

Good video. Talios is super strong when maxed. For me though there are too many ships I "need" to have. Scopely should diversify game paths so you can decide if you want pvp, grinding or armada game. I don't have the time or the brains to keep up with building all these ships along with having fun!

[@geoffh784]

I am level 57 and my Talios is only 39 million (just grinding it) but we have a max Talios in our alliance and his Talios is a crazy 177 million power...

[@annander1979]

Im still a low 30 level player , working ln my Vidar for the moment, but when its fully upgraded at levl 35, then i have my thalios.

[@Orca89s]

Voyager's ability to let Ops 39-45 players range out to play in armadas with the 46+ players is a HUGE bonus for alliances with a few whales and dolphins.

[@rustyshackleford928]

Thanks Rev. I love this kid of video. A lot of what we need to know and the graphs are awesome.

[@kevinwilliamson7158]

I like videos like this. I only built 1 42 uc ship and took to t4 because of defiant and tallios. I already have built pilum took to t4, now working on getting rep up to build kori next. Will eventually take both to t7 before leaving 40s.

[@Requiem82280]

My Talios at T9 with a couple upgrades at Ops 54 has slightly more power than my T8 Kelvin. 34 million vs 33 million. It's definitely worth upgrading.

[@timperreault6275]

So I have defiant @ t8 16.5 mil power, with a 210 warp range. Can do all types of armadas, hunt hosiles( 51's both traders and combat ships), as well as solos, both borg and jems. Find it cheaper and a machine guns with a the right crew. Sisko, miles and Lorca.

[@angelocorsino1773]

The talios is just absurdly valuable

[@evh3811]

Once you get it up to Tier 4, the maxed vidar beats it until then

[@angelocorsino1773]

@evh3811 My t3 talios gets about 450k more probes per run than my max vidar with a full cargo crew

[@jasonschmitt1600]

@@evh3811 100% true - don't have mine to tier 4 and hate it so far.

[@evh3811]

@@angelocorsino1773 I would love to know how it has terrible hull and defense

[@cdeanda21]

Starts out bad but gets really good

[@vicwin978]

Talios is awesome! Voyager will be great once you get into the loop. Be sure to use the voyager research.. cargo, warp range, damage

[@michaelthompson5086]

208M Talios...wow. One additional benefit to scaling up these ships: Once you hit tier 4 on the Defiant, Mantis, and/or Talios, you can buy from the Ex-Borg faction store. 400 credits can net you a fair amount of venom or nanoprobes (I'm lagging a bit on the Defiant, so I don't know what it offers), which can save you a lot of grinding time. You don't get that with Voyager, but using the Voyager and hitting those 8472's and Hirogen will help your Voyager research, which benefits all ships. Work on them all, but the Talios is the most versatile of the bunch. Its smaller cousin the Vi'Dar made a great OPC hunter; the Talios takes it to the next level.

[@Paulostore]

Your discord’s needs a channel just to hold those helpful info images.

[@bb1111116]

My alliance leadership recommends the Talios over the Defiant. Problem is for an almost free to play player like me it is easier to upgrade the Defiant. The Talios takes Borg research credits which blocks getting Faction Points. Faction points are crucial with FTP. Defiant upgrades take a bit from Bajoran faction research but only slows that down a bit.

[@vassagood]

Interesting to see how strategy changes over time. Solo Armadas forced us into a situation where we NEEDED 2 ships of the appropriate level, but now, since the Defiant, Talios and Voyager have been released, we can get by much easier with 1.

[@annabelleb2822]

The Talios does have that extra large cargo hold which is super sweet for miner attacks. It's also quite quick to level, as I'm almost maxed to LVL 46 not long after its introduction. However, the Bajoran loop is undoubtedly the best in the game so leveling your Defiant will come naturally from engaging with that. Voyager's loop seems to be closed, though I haven't studied it properly, and looks like a lot more work. It's also 6 months or more behind the other two, so will be difficult to advance quickly. These ships may well end up being alternatives for level 42 uncommon G4 ships for some lower level players, but the level 46 rares have fantastic ship abilities which make them very difficult to ignore.

[@todddriver7387]

Didn't you advise players to not take the Taleos past tier 6😮

[@mikehoff1595]

In doing PvP I have noticed that a lot of players pick officers poorly so being underpower might be irrelevant.

[@shoomanDFW]

I know Talios is better but I really love my Defiant. =) But I know the answer is probably Talios.

[@AndrewEddie]

I'm much happier with the Talios now that it's at my level lock. Good at Borg grinding and a capable interceptor. Still working on my Defiant. I don't seem to get as much bang for buck out of that ship as I can punch up the Dolos better with my Valdore, max Ent and max Augur (Ops 45). I think the bigger difference there is with being able to fill more slots below deck.

[@rockyb3859]

I'm having problems with a old mission fading obscurities it's still locked for years can you help

[@dragonheart8621]

Does it matter how far anyone can take them? I mean heck 2 of the 3 are mostly one trick ponies. While one of them also has a dumb and overly complex loop to upgrade it. So again who cares? Spenders they are the only ones that do. They have excess money to do what they want. Its a pay to play/win game. F2p player are there to pad numbers on the servers

[@prestigemultimediagroup6436]

Untrue I'm a f2p player have all the klingon faction ships for my ops lvl I also have a sarc amalgam mantis vidar dvor and franklin as well as the north star kvort and so forth... whales are only really powerful in pvp

[@dragonheart8621]

@@prestigemultimediagroup6436 sound like youve been on your server for awhile to have all those ships and not spend any money.

[@prestigemultimediagroup6436]

@@dragonheart8621 only a year... give or take

[@dragonheart8621]

@@prestigemultimediagroup6436 been playing on my account that i have for a bit over 3 months. Pure f2p no extra builder no extra research. Just seems this game is heavily pay to win. New server opens you'll have a lvl 30 on it by the end of the day

[@aaronormiston746]

Understand the graphs are on base values, but the voyager has a +5k damage boost research specific to it. Would be interested how DPR compares with that maxed.

[@searchingforanswers3961]

Thank you for this content. I keep trying to get you to tell me what to do. Then I realized you have been giving me proper content to make my own decisions this whole time. ❤

[@amberphoenixfire3510]

has to be voyager for Iso damage from artifact grind. *answered at the 1 minute in bit*

[@megatronprican5935]

how about the cerritos whats it max power?

[@Madwizardofthehat]

Talios is king of the specialty ships

[@D-Day6623]

Need a way to scrap OS Vi'Dar for Talios BPs

[@kevinwilliamson7158]

Once you get your vidar to t9 and ops 35, you will get missions in holodeck to get tallios bps.

[@prestigemultimediagroup6436]

You dont have to scrap it you get a mission for the bps in the holodeck

[@nvanattia]

Talios is probably the most valuable.

[@Madwizardofthehat]

Once you get Janeway her capt ability relies on shield health

[@jasonschmitt1600]

shields don't hold the same cache as dpr.

[@karthikd.r5796]

Guess titan and Cerritos are 💩💩💩

[@rfdekwant3627]

when you have been playing the game for 4 years (almost). Then you have already obtained all the predecessor of ships. Am OPS 45, have maxout ships, Sally, Mayflower, Gladius, Enterprise, Augur, Intrepid, tier 7 Kelvin and Val'dore. Many special ships have come out from the past 1.5 years. I often get to hear, why did you make so many ships.. you can't see what Scopely releases in the future, in a year's time Scopely will release a new special ship, which will make all existing ones obsolete.. For players who play for a long time, the first question will be, do you still have to invest in it yes or no. The Talios and Defiant yes, I don't know all the others

[@lamargalloway4556]

Speaking of the Cerritos... Why did scopely Nerf its time? It's not nearly as valuable as it was for armada's... Because you can't overlap them as much.

[@fredericstraight9606]

What happened to Cerritos grinding on Wednesday? I’m two weeks away form collecting all bp’s. Thanks 🖖🏾

[@TheThomasw324]

Tier 11 Talios here. It's incredibly versatile - I use it for mantis grind, Borg grind, voyager grind in token space and opc hunting. Warp range is amazing. And... You get wild amounts of faction credits, Indy credits and rep via the refinery. The only downside I see is how can I get parts for my second Talios!!!

[@NivMizzet13]

Ola Rev - do you have any recommendations for higher tier players trying to grind rep? There's the lvl 56 systems in reach faction's high warp 'island' for miners, but is there anything else?

[@Paulostore]

Are u using a ship 46 with SNW and five with Hugh and Doctor below deck? Also exos.

[@TheThomasw324]

Don't use a level 46 ship, they're useless against those hostiles. I try to use snw pike, Hemmer and 5 with the Dr below decks. With research and that crew I get about 7x stated rep. Use an exo for added bonus.

[@NivMizzet13]

@@Paulostore heya, sorry to be late to clarify, I'm ops 56 ^^ but quite behind on rep farming. I have a sanctus!

[@ZZstaff]

Give it another year, greater ships will be released. Scopely is doing an outstanding job ... of figuring out how to get your money, and LOTs of it.

[@neelmehta1805]

Of course voyager is exactly what this video said. It's been held hostage by a missle and almost always gets a warp core breach when it Flies into a pebble with shields up. Lol

[@majorsam1400]

My guess: Talios!!! Just way too many important things in the refinery. Plus it's Bad-A itself.

[@ShayLeibovich]

Hi Rev... not related to this video ... what is going on with the capital systems .... they got nerfed big time ... any word from scooply ?

[@IknowImNotCrazyYoumightbe]

talios is best overall ship in the game. ultimate opc hunter, punches up insanely high in PVP, and even without buying packs to upgrade, can be taken decently high freely

[@fenixcay8130]

I am at ops 46 and have K'Tinga at t7 Kelvin at t6 and Korinat at t5. Specialty ships i am working on are the defiant and Talios. Grinding for Voyager and Titan A. Both the Kelvin and Korinar are recent additions.

[@WouterVerbruggen]

So what what the tier per level for faction ships this is based on? Like you say a maxed g3 epic at 34 sets the comparison off, but there's no way to tell in this plot what it tier is expected per ops. Also keep in mind the faction specific research for example which can tip the scales even more.

[@WBC32]

The thumbnail confused me, younger no beard Rev made me think this was an older video.

[@Digit321]

What about Voyager performance in Armadas? Can it be formidable in Armadas at higher tiers/levels?

[@paulbrodeur6534]

Awesome video! Did I miss your answer to the question: can defiant replace a D4?

[@josephvalerio6665]

you'll be using the defiant much later in gameplay then the d4, if only for armadas and supporting, so my answer is yes

[@paulbrodeur6534]

@@josephvalerio6665 thank you!

[@medianoche207]

Got defiants in my server that dish out far more damage than pilums

[@johndub3866]

Lvl 60 max at the time of this video? Huh. So level 70 is coming then Rev?

[@plumbplumb458]

I'm gonna skip the D4 and just wait for the Taliis!

[@andycox5722]

Why wasn’t the titan considered?

[@RevDeuce]

Simply not very strong.

[@maxrampertshammer]

Talios t12. Defiant and voyager whatever.

[@dave_uk]

Talios is a great ship, mine is now t9 and has meant that I didn’t need to bother with a 2nd 46 ship for solos

[@thechef1335]

Talios at 83 Million, 100 to buy it, 200 bucks in upgrades, now surpasses Pilem, as a raider, great for madas, cheap repairs and cheap to upgrade. At tier 10, 100 dollar pack shot it 30 million.

[@equinn964]

400 bucks though? I'm not in that tax bracket. 😂😂 Glad for the info on what mine can be in 10 years though!! Thanks!!😅

[@glennhiscock5424]

I would like uc parts to ug the ships that are necessary

[@robertwild3281]

Talios

[@MaineLander]

What about the the Mantis? @Rev Deuce

[@jackcade68]

Gotta be Talios Yay i was right!🎉

[@justQthx]

The graphs 📈 made it easy to understand

[@paulj999]

Hey Rev, I hope I'm wrong, but I don't see how that image of the level 55 Talios can be genuine. Mine is level 45, with the vast majority of the interceptor research for my Ops level (56) completed and it's only 39k. From my experience with the game, ships don't jump up in power over 400% in two tiers...

[@vikroy3777]

It's real I have seen higher powered ones

[@TheThomasw324]

The power from tier 9 to tier 11 is absurd. Like 15 million per component.

[@smillernexus]

Talios. It scales correctly.

[@michaelmulvey]

Guessing the Defiant!

[@rob31771]

Need link to discord

[@KFGustavo]

Defiant is best boy.

[@disley21]

"You should be done with the Stella loop as you're getting into the 40s" *Stares at my M72 Stella at ops 42* 😂

[@kevinwilliamson7158]

Around ops 40 your m number can be around 100. You can't finish all stella research till ops 48.

[@RevDeuce]

Correct Kevin. 40s is where you "finish up". late 40s is 100%nt. But you should def be through basically the entire tree (just ops locked on some things) before leaving the 30s.

[@masterclif]

Is Talios free to get? I maxed my Vidar weeks ago, but have yet to see any missions/dailies for it...

[@eaglesrum2319]

Need to be ops 35 or 36 as well then the missions will drop in the holodeck

[@masterclif]

@@eaglesrum2319 The holodeck?! Frick. No wonder. Thanks!

[@searchingforanswers3961]

Got to be the talios

[@chuckcameraguy7512]

I love my Talios but the second one I got you can not level up

[@nvanattia]

You will probably need to wait until future event stores to buy the parts to upgrade them like most of the specialty ships.

[@WolfWood375]

INFINITE!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[@isabellaperez5252]

The Talios

[@Jason-fd6jn]

Thx Rev

[@timbradwell3205]

Tali

[@lyndahawkins1972]

Talios

[@abrahamhorowitz8374]

T10 Talios, with 3 parts to tier 11 and level 49 is a bad mamma jamma, and has surpassed my Pilum for my non faction grinds. I love that ship.

[@IronMan-bl7dd]

Why are the higher level defiance and Telios at so high in power is it research or is it tier ??

[@RevDeuce]

Tier

[@IronMan-bl7dd]

@@RevDeuce ops I mean level

[@RevDeuce]

Those ships were designed to scale from 3* to 5*

[@IronMan-bl7dd]

@@RevDeuce I am at level 50 my Telios is tier 6 very close to tier 7 it is only at 10 mill power. How in the world do I get to 100 mill or 200 mill power?

[@IronMan-bl7dd]

You don’t even know even the guys that have 100 million power ships don’t even now

[@KFGustavo]

11:40 "I try to do my mantis every day because of how valuable it is" - *looks at the top* *9 unused warp tokens*

[@ahamedalthaf5824]

It's the Talios.😅i love the Talios.it's dowing a good job at the game to me.