How FEW Level Ups are Required in Mario & Luigi Brothership?

[@FranXiT]

Wouldn't you get less levels if you always let one of the brothers die instead of spreading the EXP equally? I assume higher levels require more and more EXP, so wouldn't leaving luigi at level 1 be optimal?

[@FranXiT]

Oh, you mentioned it at the end! Yes, I'd definitely be interested. Although perhaps luigi might be better than mario to level up due to luigi logic? Idk, up to you.

[@SwitchSummit]

Yeah, good observation on your part! What I really did in this challenge was prioritize minimizing the higher of the two levels, but that made for a less snappy video title. I don't think it would help to save Luigi due to Luigi Logic because Mario needs to be alive anyway to use Luigi Logic. I'd probably have Mario win all the battles just because he has to win the first battle of the game which is a solo battle. Even though it's like 2 EXP or something.

[@EpsilonRosePersonal]

@@SwitchSummit It's the lowest peak level vs the lowest total levels.

[@BronzeSpaceComet]

really interesting video! I think there's a few ways you could minimize EXP even further that I was discussing with some people (besides just prioritizing one bro like you said): 1) there seems to be a glitch with at least mega snaptor (and possibly other bosses) where if you defeat it with an iron ball there's a chance it won't give you EXP. I'm not sure of the specifics unfortunately 2) That one Wayaway Island battle can be skipped by bringing the elevator plug back to the central area initially, rather than backtracking for it 3) Seedle-ize plug can be used on required battles with normal enemies, the seedles will only give 1 EXP

[@SwitchSummit]

Thanks for the tips! I wonder how probable #1 is. I actually didn't even know there was a seedle-ize plug. But I see now. I'll have to play with it. Wondering how often it actually seedleizes.

[@sinteleon]

Once you unlock fishing, technically you can get unlimited cash and items from fishing without getting xp. The accessory to guarantee first hits also probably would help with the fleeing issue since even with your low speed you should get the first round.

[@Nitosa]

Excessive fishing should be banned or at least the Golden gloves since you could get practically game winning POW or DEF from that alone.

[@SwitchSummit]

Good points! Never thought to use that accessory. Would have made things easier for sure.

[@phictionofgrandeur2387]

You can use boo biscuits to recharge the plugs, but it's cheesing the system.

[@Tailsbot98761]

good to know

[@SwitchSummit]

Seems like you might be able to really cheese things, combining boo biscuit with countdown to crush.

[@SirBanana1992]

24:50 pretty sure in my own save I survived that final explosion by just popping a boo biscuit before the explosion.

[@Refreshment01]

To be honest im not familiar with this game but these challenge run on the channel had been really interesting.

[@Nitosa]

Killing respawning enemies in horde fights at least do increase exp, so im not sure if boss fights also take it into consideration.

[@phictionofgrandeur2387]

It doesn't. They usually end in two or three zeros regardless of the number of enemies defeated.

[@zozim211]

I recently did a minimum Mario run myself! Ended up coming to a total of 42,502 exp for Mario [lv 24 if my math is right]. I think it's just the 9,500 from Great Conductor and the 33,000 from Reclusa's chase that you have to worry about when minimizing one bro.

[@SwitchSummit]

Nice! Did you have any difficulty in the Great Conductor battle - given that Mario's bros attacks would be super weak? Did you try using a knockback weapon to kill Mario in the Reclusa battle (as someone suggested to me in a different comment)? I bet Glohm Bowser was tricky.

[@briceandrieux]

Ohh I did the same challenge, except I didn't kill one of the brother, quite the opposite I wanted to keep both brother alive (to not torture myself tbh) I got 169294 xp in 46 fights, which is a bit above level 36, with only one game over against bowser ( and a reset also against him because one of them died) 16:50 there is 2 items you can equip to be more likely (or to be sure) to act first in a fight. Though the second one can only be gained in the end game since you get it by seeing all reefs 23:36 I'm surprised you didn't have a problem for this fight ! I was one turn of luigi away from dying to his final phase, without any mistakes done, and luigi didn't have enough BP for a new attack ! With more levels than you (but maybe worst gear) I thought this could be a close call for you 27:20 I didn't know it could kill itself, and that it gave 0 xp ! Killing normally the flower give a lot of xp, so I decided to kill 2 seeds after 2 of them fled, and afterward I thought that I could stun one, let the 3 other flee, and kill the stunned enemy. Wellll I was overthinking it XD

[@SwitchSummit]

I was wondering if Great Conductor would give me trouble. The way it played out was similar for me as for you. I figure the game must have some sort of safety net built in here. Like he might just die if you've done all excellent bros attacks and are out of turns or BP. Because otherwise, you could get soft locked, no? It's not like you can really farm EXP when you're stuck on this island.

[@briceandrieux]

@SwitchSummit I really don't know if there is a safety. But I was also afraid of an incoming softlock XD. If there isn't a safety, he might just have a given amount of hp like every other enemy (for the whole fight or the last part) and if that's true we could check how much damage we did, and how much damage others players did, there are enough videos for that ^^ he might just have like 2000 HP and everyone did less than 2000 damage before their last attack, and went over 2000 damage with their last attack. But maybe he died at like 1500 damage for us, to prevent a softlock ? I think I'll check my footage and some online tomorrow !

[@misk-ivus2990]

I saw the seedlusa transformation in my playthrough, but I didn't know it just wilted away after a while, giving you no experience, that's kinda depressing actually.

[@MLmaster135]

the interesting part is its seemingly completely possible to beat brothership with jump/hammer only, no items and no gear at minimum level and/or normally leveled w/the exception of the goomba+Koopa infinite waves and especially, Great Conductor who's a required BP check. I can also confirm all glohm bosses not named glohm Pipegunk are possible Jump Hammer only, even glohm sharpcask who takes actual hours and requires super spike ball+Attack boost cuz of the constant 2 layer shield(doesn't always happen as there's a rare chance it doesn't put it up) is possible all assuming normally leveled. I'm deff curious about minimum level for these cuz I deff know its possible, even Glohm Sharpcask, cuz Glohm Sharpcask's heals while massive at 420-840 due to brothership's speed stat mechanic, are actually limited and abandoned when its enraged. 7:40 Sharpcask legit takes about 2-3 whole hours Jump/Hammer only, cuz its the tankiest boss in the whole game💀 17:26 Bowser's really awkward cuz if you haven't seen the specific minion attack pattern of "Deliberately slow Spiny+Bob-omb" in the same lane yet, which can happen, that's seemingly near unavoidable w/o jumping right when the spiny's about to touch the bro. worst part is its all rng which minions spawn where too 19:58 Glohm Bowser is actually significantly easier if you just don't use the weegee logic the 2nd time, meaning he'll never enrage and you'll get some extra damage from the shy guy airships. this's deff the most hidden boss mechanic in the game, as using the luigi logic the 2nd time causes him to become more difficult 28:36 Weeping Core's a weird boss cuz while its deff super simple, its also the hardest phase, primarily due to the spike rotation attack in a no gear Jump/Hammer only run. that spike rotation attack's a set pattern of going deliberately slow on either the 2nd or 3rd rotation, which's consistent and what makes it difficult cuz that always catches people off-guard. the game deff expects you to use diff bros attacks, or more specifically, to just not use any and just counter the roll out attack while being forced to jump on it, in order to preserve all the bros attacks. I found the forced Jump's deff da most unique for a Jump/Hammer only run considering this's another game where the bros die from jumping on spikes at 1hp 🤔 Reclusa while deff simple, the forced Stone bro attack, specifically the Ice Claw, has a Jank hitbox cuz of the angle going diagonally downards, where Jumping a bit late/right around when the claw swings causes the bro to get caught. but at least its better than Bowser's solo series Fire Breath where the hitbox legit doesn't match the animation (ie have to jump right when he opens his mouth and not wait) one of the whack parts about brothership's speed stat mechanics is, its possible for mario to get a 2nd turn and weegee's turn gets skipped during a successful luigi logic, and its also possible for a full 3 attacks to happen too. or in a super weird case which I can confirm happens, Specific to Sharpcask, Sharpcask recovers from the luigi logic, but, Luigi gets a turn during the recover animation, meaning the damage is back to the normal 1-3 variance.

[@sinteleon]

Depends actually regarding the 2nd luigi logic on glohm bowser, it's possible to rack up so much damage that bowser falls to a single attack after, though admittedly you might need a very lucky pattern to be able to focus that many shots.

[@SwitchSummit]

Hah, I thought about the hammer/jump only challenge but haven't taken it on as of yet. Thanks for the details. If you skip the second Luigi Logic against Glohm Bowser, wouldn't you have to survive the underfoot glohm for a super long time?

[@MLmaster135]

@@SwitchSummit oh that's deff a problem, the Dot from the glohm. in that case, its deff possible items would be required due to that, especially minimum level, assuming it kills the bros.

[@Lordbowser666]

In the second bowser fight (i though it was mandatory that bowser has spread the glohm to the bros for 1 turn before you finish the fight

[@SPTKira]

This is an interesting run, I also did a low level run but I didn't think to let the bros die in required fights and ended up at Lv36 for both by the end. I did however not use Wear until the end since I was curious if there were enough required fights for the "Do it yourself" challenge (there wasn't, I still needed little over 100 enemies to defeat).

[@SwitchSummit]

Not using wear sounds hard. Like it would make it nearly a no-damage run. What is the "do it yourself" challenge?

[@SPTKira]

@@SwitchSummit The in game one that requires you to beat 300 enemies with no Wear and No Gear, it gives you 2 beans and some special Gloves that increase your BP by 50% but you always get one shot I think (had to look it up since I never got it)

[@marioandultrachap]

Lv36? really? thats pretty high at the end. I guess the game includes bosses to make sure you're not too stupidly underleveled

[@sage5296]

I don't remember which bros game it is, but there's one where at the end of the speedrun, you need to make sure you have one of the bros down finishing one of the penultimate fights, or you lose like 1-2m due to levelling up 10 or so times lol

[@Dark_0verlord]

Considering that I went into the Reclusa fight at level 63 with both Bros., I absolutely steamrolled him. I have wondered just how much harder Reclusa and the other bosses would be if I had went into them at the recommended level or under leveled, so it's nice to see what that experience is like (as well as the extra challenge of finishing battles with only one Bro alive).

[@samseesyou30]

63!??? Jeez did u fight every single enemy u saw

[@Nitosa]

​​@@samseesyou30 no way, i fought every enemy and even grind 1 lvl before reclusa and i was lvl 51. Edit: typos

[@Nitosa]

Did you get quick leveling + the arc scope or something?

[@Nitosa]

I did for the funnies buy a golden pow glove and fish for 2 hours to see how fast i could obliterate reclusa again, mario had 286(base)+86(gloves)= 372 POW With 122.867 gold.

[@Dark_0verlord]

@@samseesyou30 Pretty much. Here was my process throughout most of the game. 1: Fight every enemy on an island. 2: Return to the island after linking it and fight every enemy again. 3: Fight every enemy again on future return trips. 4: Go to every island and fight every enemy again after they have been Glohmed. My reasoning for number 2 was because I wanted to talk to every single NPC in the game, and since their dialogue changes after linking the island, I thought I might as well refight the enemies as well. My reasoning for 4 was because I wanted to see how Glohm affected every enemy, since some will have the counter effect, some will have the clone effect, some will have the explosion effect, and some will have the guard effect. I also got the Quick Leveling bonus when I got to Shell Rank.

[@catborg780]

I was just wondering this because I just max leveled it

[@Wazy002]

I have had this urge to play through the game again with; no gloves, wear, accessories, boots, hammers, action commands(except dodges), items,plugs, choosing the worst rank up options, and potentially minimum battles/levels(flexible to grinding levels when fighting something like glohm bowser with the time limit. This would be the hardest possible challenge I believe but it would probably take me at least 500 hours. Think I should do it?

[@SwitchSummit]

Go for it!

[@GimmeMyHandleBack]

I would absolutely love a useless luigi run lol. He can win the game by doing nothing!

[@fawfulthegreat64]

Isn't there a piece of gear that deals back damage relative to the damage you deal on a solo attack? Maybe that could be used to kill one of the bros. during the first phase of Reclusa (where he's always dizzy on your turn)

[@SwitchSummit]

Ohhhh. Really smart! I'll have to try this!

[@Bounty13]

6:07 Does anyone know what triggers this battle? It never happened to me in the two playthroughs I did.

[@SwitchSummit]

The one where you rescue Peach? It really seems that it should trigger every time.

[@adamzero_]

hmm, seems you forgot to get the auto-seedle and seedleize all of the spinies in 14:45 (and future battles) Making sure to reset if ANY were golden. 17:13 This fight can be skipped if you grab the plug before killing the single weak koopa.

[@GlitchythePumpkin]

If he did that, he would get more exp, and therefore, maybe get another level

[@adamzero_]

@@GlitchythePumpkin how so? The idea is to turn normal encounters into seedles, but reset if there aer golden ones. Normal seedles give 1 exp, thus reducing the exp from the fight. Golden seedles are bad, so you want to reset if you get them. You can get the 30 seedle seeds by killing a few seedles and running before completing the fight.

[@SwitchSummit]

Thanks for the tips! Yeah, didn't even realize there was a seedle-ize plug. Big miss on my part!

[@megaquazadarkside7598]

Perfect video

[@marioandultrachap]

should do all the other M&L games too lol.

[@owen-tv9dt]

Pretty impressive stuffs and cool vid! Congrats on getting through the challenge.

[@TheJayeagle]

The answer: . . . . Mario level 31, Luigi level 32.

[@drygnfyre]

For Glohm Bowser, you can also use Shell specialist for increased damage. It should merge with Flying specialist for more damage. IIRC.

[@samseesyou30]

13:46 you should switch pipegunk straight to ice as it makes him much weaker

[@sinteleon]

The issue is pipegunk doesn't attack while stunned, meaning you can't use the period to kill pipegunk regardless since you need a bro to die. For this challenge moving him back to normal is the better play.

[@samseesyou30]

@ oh true

[@SwitchSummit]

Yep, by the time a bro is dead, Pipegunk is healing himself faster than you can inflict damage.

[@joefisher3950]

Hmm, does the leveling curve mean you could finish the game with less levels if you only completed stages with Mario or Luigi the entire game. Leaving the other brother at Lvl 1

[@joefisher3950]

Right at the end you covered this idea. I’d be interested in this challenge too. Another idea would be a no plugs no items route. I haven’t played the game so idk if other collectibles could be excluded too or not.

[@SwitchSummit]

Right, good observation and thanks for the idea!

[@Taizen_Chisou]

If you took all of Luigi's 113k points and gave them to Mario, for a total of 216k, that would cause him to be level 38, instead. Having him be 38 and Luigi be level 1 would probably be even more difficult and time consuming than this??

[@marioandultrachap]

I don't get why you let the bros die. The exp is the same regardless I guess so it takes longer. idk I would kept the bros up honestly just not worth all that work lol.

[@stavenbyrne8010]

4:51 a.k.a. Toon by Zokket. Ecks also calls him Toon.

[@Tailsbot98761]

21:30 If both bros need a shroom/syrup jar, they will give it to the other bro