How GOOD are the NEW UNITS?

[@mps51297]

I think you're sleeping on Gregory. His bases are much better than Pandreo. Greg comes in at IV 20/1 vs 15/1 for Pandreo, but has 9 more Mag. He also has 20 more mag growth. If you keep him on Sage and give him starsphere he has 95% Mag growth. Sure the speed is slow, but give him Byleth and Thoron and he's the best artillery mage in the game

[@yohanes2034]

I like his sage outfit so I go all in to make him hard carries which means fixing his speed. Starsphere, speedtaker, and spd/dex +5 lol. For the emblem I pair him with Camilla for additional +5. As many said, fixing spd is easier than fixing magic, so hiz high base and growth on magic is an asset. It just too funny that his story about being timid and like to run away from enemies yet he is slow as turtle lol

[@HeartPliz]

Gregory / gris is voiced by the goat kenjiro tsuda, he's already a 11/10

[@Cayden.1]

the thing with Gregory is that he is alot of work getting, either being annoying to get each playthrough on hard, tedious on normal, or too much a hassle on maddening. if you get him late game then pandreo or citrinne would be built up by now. if you get him early game then you make all the divine paralogued scale to 20, screwing yourself over from doing the maps for a good chunk of the game. all this to have a mage thats slightly better than citrinne or pandreo? citrinne has easy availability while pandreo is pre built to win, both are perfectly fine and there isnt really an urgent need to get gregory when they are perfectly fine in their roles

[@Bash_the_Bash]

@@yohanes2034 agreed bro is the only male sage in the game who looks reasonably normal so just on that alone he wins

[@yohanes2034]

@@Cayden.1 ofc Pandreo is better but Citrine though? I think Gregory is better because of his high magic base. Both are slow anyways. Regarding level, around Solm is the perfect time to get him. Though I can't stop complaining why they couldn't implement level scaling, it's really not that hard

[@MLmaster135]

I love Nel and Rafal so much, they're so cool- I find their Fell child class's actually really useful for diverse emblem usage, despite not having good bases. Wrath vantage or Wrath Pair up Crit builds work very well for both Nel and Rafal(he's basically a 2nd Panette), which I'll deff be using on them in maddening. tho it works for just about anyone, some chars better than others like Merrin for example, Merrin makes great use of Wrath and vantage as a wolf knight. Celine also theoretically could work with Wrath Vantage as a Vidame too thanks to her great attack range and Ignis despite her low hp in maddening fixed growths(can be fixed with stat boosters or giving her tiki to get additional growths on top of what she'd normally get on a level up.). she's really fun to use in maddening. if there's one thing I love about Engage, aside the literal Fates rng moments(which's why that RN system's my fave), its the customization, various emblem builds, even meme builds seeing how they can work or if they can work. Crit builds go brr

[@isaacazmee9930]

Great Knight Rafal + Ike, Wrath and forged Killer Axe is craaaazy tbh in my playthrough. This is my second time using him. In previous playthrough I keep him in his dragon class which was good too. He is tankier and speedier Panette.

[@monkymann5834]

You can change the dragonstones into other ones, there is a magic damage one and a 6 mt one that has 1-2 range

[@Blood_Ronin]

magic one does magic based on str. There's the 1-2 ranged, and a stone effective against flyers. They can all be engraved as well

[@lieutenantlobster6395]

how do you change them?

[@markus5120]

@@lieutenantlobster6395 go to the smithy and refine them.

[@cmp4237]

​@@markus5120 you can refine them? I haven't tried that since past Fire Emblem games never feature upgrades for Dragonstones. This is news to me.

[@markus5120]

@@cmp4237 yeah you can turn them into different types of fell stones. For example, the fell stone turns into a 1-2 range stone.

[@cygnusdane634]

The dragon stones for Nel and Rafal have weapons refine that switch their characteristics. you can switch one of their stones to provide there attack have range 1-2. One of the twins can have strong again Fliers and the other strong against Calvary as well.

[@superape013]

Rafal is the best dragonstones user since they all scale in str there is upgrades for the dragonstones one deals magic damage based on str another is effective to flyers and the normal fell stones become fell ruinstone which has a range of 1-2. For optimizing I found that giving him weapon sync+ and str/dex 5 if you can afford it for extra damage and hit fixing but you can also go for wrath builds on the dragonstones

[@chix4]

Rafal with Ike is insane. A crit machine who can also be your main tank. Dragon bonus on Great Aether is pretty good in practice. I can finally clear a room with it on maddening like I did on hard.

[@ljthompson3011]

I can confirm this once I put Ike on Him with a silver great axe dude was insanely good with great aether was always getting MVP

[@DrBXXI]

I've been using Zelestia with Sword power and Levin Sword and emblem Eirika. She is been amazing this far. And I'm using Madeline as Halbardier using Hector (Because I want to mess with the DLC) but once you fix her hit (which is not hard or expensive) she is a pretty good unit.

[@superape013]

I've had her on crom with sword power 5 and keen insight+ she can use Levin sword for general foes and when so etching she can hit for effective comes around she blasts threw them I also gave her Excalibur for fliers since she has good enough magic to one round with keen I sight

[@acefreak95]

Same except i also gave her avo and camilla instead shes absolutely destroying my run

[@SantaRPG]

how did you fix her hit? I have her with sigard and lance power and the darling hasn't hit a single thing

[@acefreak95]

@@SantaRPG why the fuck are you not using her as melusine first of all

[@superape013]

@圣诞学人 Santa Scholar well you do have Sigurd so you could inherit hit +10

[@Grayx7]

Madeline as a Great Knight, running Gentility and Quick Riposte. She's Devastating on enemy phase.

[@IcedCoffeeGaming]

I was just thinking of making her GK, all the damage mitigations

[@spookie4481]

add in Hector or just quick riposte and now she also doubles on EP as long as health stays above the threshold

[@utlukka950]

I made mine a Paladin so she could keep her access to S Rank axes. She's pretty fun with Fragarach.

[@ARMOR_KNIGHT_REAL]

I think people are sleeping on Madeline. Her insane strength and defense with Hector makes her extremely strong on enemy phase. If you engage with hector with her in general with a few defense buffs (rally spectrum, rally def from byleth, geosphere, adaptability) she can easily hit 100 defense thanks to Hector boosting it by 50% if the enemy initiates. Give her pair up and divine pulse+ and she's near invincible on enemy phase. Only being hurt by mages and dragons. Throw a killer axe with a crit based engraving or a ranged axe and she'll most likely one round anything attacking her.

[@raarsi-dar]

Important to note on Zelestia is her class passive at level 25, which is that whenever she attacks enemies with a sword, the damage is calculated with an average between the enemies defense and resistance stats. Makes her pretty solid with a Levin Sword (or even other swords). As for the twins, I keep them on fell child each with a ranged dragonstone and a magic damage dragonstone. While you can't upgrade them, you can still engrave them for increased might or reduced weight.

[@fengxian3089]

Soulblade usage is pretty limited tbh, its not that great with levin sword aside killing mages or adepts with it, you ended up dealing lower damage to armored units. I got her to lv25 and found out that i cant one round a general anymore with levin 😂😂, i havent tested it but looks like it should be great with stuffs like rapier or slayer weapons

[@rydrake9509]

I switch Rafal’s Fell Stone to Fell Ruinstone for range 1-2 and still have luna effect by ignoring half def/res and I gave him Reprisal+ from Veronica and Lifesphere ++ from Tiki for healing and gave Eirika’s ring and with her passives its very nutty, I could also give him Roy’s ring for Hold out +++ with extra hp and vantage and Reprisal+, but I’ve haven’t retrived Roy’s ring yet so that will have to wait

[@crystalqueen9711]

I just played a maddening run with all the dlc, and my opinions are that: Madeline just kinda sucks, she has consistant hit rate issues that beg you to gamble on Divine Pulse or eat up all your hit engraves that other axe users might want, and even after switching her to a Lance General she was just meh and probably my second worst combat unit after Warrior Vander Nel is another mediocre unit, because while she did constantly double with Camilla as her Emblem, the issue was that her strength was too low to do any real damage, so it was generally better to use her as a Camilla bot, and I feel like Camilla has better veins than Corrin so you really do want her on a Dragon unit, while Corrin can easily commit to fire veins on a Mystical unit Gregory is interesting, because his magic is high enough to one shot even Leif's Mage Knight brigade if you stack a few power boosts on him, so while he'll never double unless he has every possible speed boost and his taget has a Draconic Hex, he can easily one shot most enemies so long as you give him the limited resources available to boost tome damage Zelestia is really interesting, because when using her as described in the warranty, she has enough speed to double just about everything that isn't a lategame Wolf Knight/Swordmaster, but she struggles hitting the damage thresholds needed to actually kill enemies, even with Celica fixing her magic, but with sword power she has enough strength to rip apart most enemies with a Silver Sword thanks to her insane speed Rafal is easily the best dlc unit, and he's also a based pilled gigachad that I love, he's entirely self sufficient with Revanche in 99% of cases, only needing to switch to a Hand Axe/Tomahawk for range or a Fell Weightstone for when a problematic flier is REALLY pissing you off, and he's probably a great choice to inhieret Speedtaker, since he can easily get the ball rolling and start doubling most enemies provided he gets his early kills in a map, and his personal skill is actually useful for what he wants to do, even if it doesn't stack with itself Just never use the Dragonstones if you're photosensitive, that transformation effect is legit painful

[@Mecht]

Ive been using madeline as a mage canonneer debuffer, her high strength growth gives her good accuracy. Nel makes for a good evasive tank, able to one round a lot with lance power and represailies. Rafal has gotten the reprisal, hold out, vantage treatment to make him an absolute menace with the fell stones. His health and health growth are great.

[@Me_Mike_sus]

Having a fast helberdier is just as good as a slow one. With speed+5 and lance power, they become just like any other fast unit, but have the option to situationally use something like a Ike ingraved ridersbane for wolf knights you can't follow up otherwise, or Ike engraved Brave Lance for quading.

[@rhettmitchell]

Hmmm interesting

[@SapphicSara]

Refining the stones into a different one and giving them to Nel makes her an amazing utility unit able to attack res with her strength, counter at 2, be effective against fliers and hit hard.

[@jesserebelo3583]

Also Rafal has spur emblems which means you can make her engage pretty damn fast too

[@RUGrimm-fv5if]

I think it's worth noting Rafal's absolutely cracked unique Fell Child ability. At level 25, he gets the ability to add a +1 to the Engage meters of everyone adjacent to him each turn. If you add that to Veyle's unique Fell Child ability, that means Veyle get +2 to her Engage meter every turn without doing anything. I personally use this with Veronica equipped to Veyle for a practically endless Hero Summon on the field, Fortify+ spamming, and so on. Of course, there are other opportunities, but the combo is so stupid broken that the results are pretty hilarious.

[@YouLoseAgain812]

Coming from a hard mode perspective, Zelestia is the most stand out in my opinion. She shredded everything with Levin sword, Lyn emblem. Madeline is underwhelming. But I kept her as a general for aesthetics. I really wish this game would let you change appearances of units by keeping base or special promoted class looks or using the clothing from the player base

[@weebovv3176]

I learned, in my amazing stupidity, that thieves have a weirdly high defense stat cap of 36 (if I remember correctly) and I learned this by reclassing madeline into a thief just on a whim. It was very VERY entertaining watching her tank and debuff as a short skinny lil thief girl lol

[@magnuscarlsson9969]

Nel and Nil/Rafal become really powerful later on once their stats start to catch up. Honestly if you struggle to level them up, just change class temporary to something with similar growths and swap them back to fell-child later on. Nel's probably the weaker of the two, since her fell-child growths are those of a hybrid and unfortunately she can't really pull it off... having her as a warrior/berserker/halberdier for some time really helps her to snow ball until she's ready to get the dragon stones back(since even the magical stone are based on strength).

[@yohanes2034]

I think the difference in switching Nel/Rafal class to warrior for level ups only is negligible cause fell child for rafal gives him the same growth as warrior while Nel is juat 5% less. Maybe to berserker then yes. But I just came to realization (after coffee said it) that their fell child class bases have lower rating than other classes. That's such a let down

[@magnuscarlsson9969]

@@yohanes2034 Yeah Fell Child have a base Str of 5, which makes it tougher to level these classes up. Just by changing Nel to warrior she get +7 strenght, 2 Dex, 2 Spd and 3 Bld, however she lose some of her magic capabilities, which unless you aim to use a Levin sword are quite useless. Later on when enemies get tankier, the defense reduction from the dragon stones become more powerful. I kept my Nel as a Fell Child, but reclassing her will be easier. It's kinda the same with Mage Cannoneer, going this class early don't make sense since the best ammo come really late in the game and the growths ain't spectacular.

[@yohanes2034]

@@magnuscarlsson9969 yeah I think if you really want to use the character the fell child is kinda hold them down. It's a pity that the devs give all new classes (fell child, enchanter, canonner) the same all 5 bases. Idk if this is laziness or intended as like that. It's a shame because before I intend to use their dragon class for emblem dragon bonus. But the base stats difference... I think I can't stomach the huge difference

[@magnuscarlsson9969]

@@yohanes2034 Well once enemies start to hit 20+ defense the dragon stones become more worthwhile. Especially the magic damage stone and the slay stones become very strong. Nil/Rafal is really good as a fell child thou, since his class skill is really powerful by itself when used correctly. Nel on the other hand have a really niche ability which is pretty much useless.

[@yohanes2034]

@@magnuscarlsson9969 oh you rafal spur emblem? yes that's good. Nel got the worst personal and class skill though. Just if her "protective" personal skill activates for any of your units not just Rafal. It's so unfair that Rafal personal activates for any units that defeats a foe but Nel only depends on Rafal

[@skypaladin9878]

Anyone else crazy enough to try Gregory great Knight with Leif, using flame lance, hurricane axe, light brand?

[@syh478]

My nel is a corrin utility bruiser and rafal is a vantage-hold out panette 2.0 with veronica. So fun

[@noathern]

I changed nel to sage cause she can use obscurite and I run veyle with a misericorde build but back to nel im running her with starsphere and with that nel has 70% mag growth and naturally decent build in sage so i reclassed her to sage to eventually run her on obscurite

[@aneska5028]

changed Madeline into a great knight (Lance/Axe),and gave her Sigurd. kills everything and is only hurt by tomes

[@xMisterkinox]

I agree they are all strong, I changed class of Madeline to wyvern. She perform very well

[@GIAuditore]

One argument for keeping Rafal on Fell Child is his lv25 passive: Spur Emblems. It's basically free engage meter for your allies, which is pretty cracked.

[@ProtoTypeFM]

The 1-2 range dragonstone seems like it'd make for great Ike enemyphasing, it cant be broken and will counterattack most of the time. Idk if thats worth running though, no Power skill and Forging seems rough despite the armor pierce.

[@NsEndandFriends]

I ended up making Gregory a martial master thanks to that 30/50 str/mag growth. Yeah, I had to throw Lyn on him to speed fix, but with flashing arts, he's actually doubling regularly. I didn't much care for Nel, but Rafal on fell child with camilla being able to set up smoke and tank has been amazing. I had him hold off the south entrance to the Ike paralogue by himself with just smoke. Plus if you change Nel to another class, you can put all 4 dragonstones on Rafal, so he's got phys/magic/cav effective/ranged capabilities for a lot of utility.

[@joshuaross9306]

For Nel I found that Inheriting Lunar Brace to stack it's armor penetration with the Dragonstone's true damage helped her damage quite a bit. Rafal has a harder time doubling, and is a better enemy phaser, so i think just building him like a second Panette is probably the way to go.

[@DARKMalice9000]

I kept Nel and Rafal Fell Dragon class and they are broken AF I also put something in How to REBALANCE SP Economy. but Still want your opinion of what I put in that video

[@PhantasyHero22]

Fashion always trumps function.

[@Absol7critical]

Greg did great on mage knight for me after I got him speedtaker. Madeline wasn’t so great on great knight so I switched her to halberdier and I like it better. Also you can engrave the dragon stones which is fun.

[@Mantheon_]

first maddening run. Decided to do the xenologue asap and now I’m slogging through the divine paralogues with the dlc characters and barely level 10 Alear/Framme/Chloe 😂 Oops.

[@Danscrub]

Gregory is a solid levins griffin tbh. His high base mag and talent lets you bring spd/dex + sword power respectively. He has a lower -2 spd/dex cap, but a +3 mag cap. He replaced my flying byleth user (+3 spd, so with dex/spd+5 he can even double griffs/swordmasters at capped), and sword of the creator is a nice option to delete high-res units.

[@Blood_Ronin]

I made Madeline into a wyvern night for brave axe use

[@Me_Mike_sus]

I'm pretty sure you can change the battle outfits in the boutique even without spending money. Select change option and you can change to the base outfit.

[@IcedCoffeeGaming]

It only changes the outfit in Somniel/post battle. You might be thinking of 3 houses

[@MasterStacona]

Remember dragon classes also get the stronger ring effects too like extra level while engaged on Roy, better Roy ultimate, better Marth ultimate, Byleth dragon dance, Byleth dragon instruct, Corrin / Camilla dragon vein selection, etc. plus screw lances when you can be a mighty dragon, RAWR!!

[@CosmicChris]

Shit, I made Rafal have Dragonic Hex for some reason, because there are moments he is squishy, but if he can comfortably debuff a heavier unit that can't hit him, so characters like Gregory or Nel can clean up for EXP. Granted, I'm probably playing him wrong. But I love how evil he sounds when he goes to crit, he is LOVING every moment. "I HAVE AWAKENED!"

[@kilambrown4302]

Gregory makes insane use of Hectors Quick Riposte. He's got the highest possible Magic in the game with his base growths tied with Anna, but he's leveled 20 times as a Sage instead. Keeping him in sage with Quick Riposte let's him nuke enemies, and his passive avoid helps him maintain his enemy phase. Rafal is insane as a Enemy phase unit. His unique Bruiser stats, paired with Emblem Hector. And fully upgraded Dragon stones make him in my opinion better than Pannete. If given Speed Taker, his Super Enemy phase in Hector engaged Storms eye, can make him carry the speed to double as a player phase nuke for the rest of the battle.

[@grandpowr]

Nil as his normal Dragon class lets him use his Dragon Stone when refined, can use the 1-2 range one, if you equip Ike, add crit engraving, vantage+hold out, you get one hell of a one man army there. I switched Nel to Paladin just to see and I like her there, but I think she is much better as a Wyvern Knight. Magic Knight with Levin Sword is also pretty damn good

[@MasterStacona]

Zelestia with a Brave Sword is super OP when she hits level 25 for that sweet, sweet class passive.

[@DarkflameEmperor]

To fix any character's speed you can use Lyn for the +20 SPD. I always keep Chloe in a speedy class but having her as a General + Lyn you'd have 40 SPD which is okay.

[@marlo3536]

I have played with all of them, all in all my opinions are kind of mixed. I made madeline into a mage cannoneer and she does some good work with sigurd, I have Zelestia in her custom class with Byleth and I have Gregory in sage with Micaiah. To me the only one that didnt feel good no matter what I gave him was Rafal, and I put him back as fell child just so I could access a unit that turns into a dragon. Nel got turned into a second mage cannoneer (this is my old file ive been grinding characters for, not a new run) and shes practically immortal with Erika/Ephram (I think? The one that gives gentility). Ultimately Zelestia and Madeline actually see use regularly so they are my favorites of the bunch.

[@LP-zn8sc]

I wonder if weapon sync works with nel and nil. I feel like it could be funny to see something like a quick reposte weapon sync with them. If you use bracelets anyway. And they probably won't mind the extra growths from tiki.

[@csmhpiano5193]

I used Madeline with Hector bracelet and she can 2 hit KO most enemy during enemy phase with Quick Reposte until like chapter 22 or something it’s hilarious lol

[@dequanthompson6658]

I'm really conflicted with these new characters. I plan on using Zelestia over Ivy for my second playthrough of the game but I also plan on using Diamant and Timerra so Nel and Rafal just seem kind of unnecessary for me. Especially since they both seem to do better in other classes like you said rather than their base class. Which kind of sucks because what's the point of using more dragons if they literally can't be dragons XD

[@Ryodraco]

I'm trying to use Nel as a Draconic Hex debuffer with Corrin and the various dragonstones, but I'm finding it lacking at the moment. She's getting doubled a lot, taking a lot of damage, and the fog terrain isn't giving her much avoid on enemy phase. Probably just need to invest in her more and figure out suitable passives. Zelestia on the other hand has been incredible. Speedtaker and Canter and she cleans house between Levin Sword and Bolganone.

[@bloodust7356]

I made Nel a wolf knight with avoid+30 and lunar brace and she does a lot of damage while being almsot untouchable

[@MasterStacona]

Give Rafal Lyn, he just pops off nuking everything as a mighty dragon.

[@michaelpaul92]

grats on 9k subs :)

[@IcedCoffeeGaming]

Thanks!

[@davidpickering9374]

the stones work with lunerbrace so you could get more damage with the pasive

[@jordannng7180]

How would Gregory as an avoid Sage do? I was thinking you could engrave a tome for him to give him more avoid and give him quick riposte to mitigate the speed issue and allow him to double on enemy phase

[@ljthompson3011]

I agree with this hot take it’s about where I’d rate them all nel on griffin knight is comparable to Chloe a bit more strength for speed you gotta try rafal with Ike and a silver greataxe dude one shots everything in range because the dragon bonus with Ike

[@generalman9849]

Gregory has a 35% defense growth and 50% res growth, which is one of the highest defensive stat growth spreads in the game. He becomes very bulky on classes with decent defense growths and bases. His 30% strength growth is also decent (better than Timerra’s) so he can function as a physical attacker. With Hector, he becomes very bulky. So, let’s take a look at some typical physical classes he can be. As a great knight, he’s very Jade-like, with higher res, but held back by Great Knight’s low res and magic caps. An avoid engraved weapon + his personal skill will make him reasonably dodgy and will increase the viability of lower defense classes. As a Paladin or Royal Knight, with Starsphere, his speed will get high enough that mid speed enemies won’t double him. Paladin has a low magic cap, so levin sword damage will fall off in endgame, whereas even with the avoid + Hector + Starsphere, Royal Knight will need a little investment for defense. With his remaining 500 SP after Starsphere, Gregory can get Defense +3 from Ike, which was enough for me. Otherwise, he’s a very good candidate for a Dracoshield. Halberdier is similar to Paladin, dropping a few points of Res and a point of movement for a much higher magic cap and more dex. Halberdier’s skill can give him a lot more offensive power on player phase, while Royal Knight makes use of his innate staff proficiency for B staves. Staves can also improve his tanking power some, since he can freeze or silence an enemy that would otherwise attack him, or else Fracture an enemy for another character. There’s no perfect class for tank Gregory, but I still think he has a niche as a Timerra competitor. Compared to her, he has far more starting SP, more res, and will function better against high defense enemies due to his high magic. Timerra also needs a lot of investment into weapons / passives / several levels for Sandstorm to function offensively, and Gregory doesn’t have that issue. On the other hand, once she has Sandstorm, Timerra will likely have a better player phase. Gregory can kill mages with smash weapons and armors with magic weapons, but will struggle against enemies with more moderate defenses.

[@amundbjrnstadkolden]

While I don't know if its her best build, Madeline has an axe boon, as well as the highest strength growth in the game. Which means you can turn her into a wyvern knight with access to the brave axe and an insane strength stat. Haven't got far enough in my run to get a brave axe yet, but it sounds like a solid build on paper. You can Patch up her miserable accuracy with an engrave as well, since she'll essentially only use one weapons anyways.

[@5nowwy]

Wyvern Knight Rafal and Griffin Knight Nel are so beastly

[@dspellcaster1027]

Nel/fell child/Camilla. Rafal/fell child/Hector. Zelestia/melusine/Chrom. Madeline made her a Magic cannoneer. Gregory remained Sage. Nel I would make halbedier, Rafal into warrior but I like the fell child utility and look.

[@TheJaredPunch]

Thanks for the video. Also Nel and Zelestia are best Waifus

[@ProtoTypeFM]

Nels voice do be making me feel some kinda way tbh

[@TheJaredPunch]

@@ProtoTypeFM her VA is Japanese is Romi Park and her soft and cool voice in both languages definitely fit for ASMR.

[@termy_3926]

Isn't nel your sister. The fact she's a romance option is very fire emblem.

[@TheJaredPunch]

@@termy_3926 Nel is Alear’s sister from another universe where Alear from that universe is NOT Sombron’s child. Awkward stuff that is to be expected in Fire Emblem.

[@jesserebelo3583]

if you make madeline a griffon rider and give her tiki she has a 50% speed growth, since she's level 1 she will catch up with all the fastest units in time, give her speedtaker on top of that and you can RUIN some enemies, I personally made her a paladin, im on chapter 19 (again) and she has funny enough, 19 speed, and speedtaker so she hits upwards of 30 speed within the first few turns of most maps, give her lyn, and making her griffon or paladin also fixes her dex growth so she can wield her native axes without fear of dropping below 80% hit rate unless against like wolf knights, but that's what engraves are for anyway!

[@devino125]

Time to put the Nel in the coffin get it..ughh I'm sorry man yeesh that was cringe please forgive me thanks for the vid😣

[@MasterStacona]

Madeline best on General and Mage Cannoneer, Mage Cannoneer means she has insane accuracy on it, but lower damage. General she needs accuracy engraves.

[@Danscrub]

Nel...is very well rounded stat-wise, but her dragon class passive is good against bosses with emblems or for PvP i guess. My only main gripe is that her passive can only take effect starting round 2. She has access to dragonstones, which can grant range or effective melee dmg, but unlike rafal the mt difference between dragonstones and lances isnt as big (lances got shafted this game imo, especially flame lance). She could be better in a different class, but I like the dragonstones and her dragon status for certain emblems. I'm using veronica with her for "stronger" summons, a built-in reprisal+, and more mag for her magic dragonstone (melee range, but can swap to veronica weps for range). Once I cap her stats I'll probably toss on either mag/dex, spd/dex, wrath, holdout, or hp (tankier & more reprisal+) on her. Leaning more towards wrath + hp.

[@MasakiAndoh]

The only thing I don't like about them is that they have so few supports and their support type is Default, which is the worst type possible. Giving +10 Hit to your support, regardless if they are C or S support with each other. As for the characters, I really like them for their personalities and Rafal's supports are pretty funny, especially the one with Alfred.

[@uxprotocol]

Engrave those dragon stones! I threw Bonds on Nel's dragon stone and she started doubling everything instantly.

[@Danscrub]

Rafal at his base class is just about a second diamante. No sol (so unfortunately no heal tanking), but his class passive fills 1 tick of engage meters of 4 adjacent units (not the best but it's basically veyle's but better, can fill 2 for veyle [veyle+rafal passives] per turn if needed 😂). However, unlike veyle this is super nice for healers/seadall to refill engage meters [faster] without putting them at risk. (seadall usually never gets to refill without combat) He has access to the dragonstone (cant be refined, but can be engraved. Also refining the base version turns it into a ranged one with 4 less mt, 20 less hit, 4 more wt) which is basically a guaranteed luna proc, on top of his high str. Toss Ike or Hector on him (I prefer Ike), and his high def lets him enemy phase a lot of units. ike wrath (30) + dex (30/2 = 15) + passive (10) = 55 crit. Toss on a crit engraving, or even equip revanche if you want to go as an axe unit, and his crit will be sky high with his high atk. Revanche his a high mt/crit high enough on its own to delete most melee, while the ranged dragonstone lets him counter 1-2 range (guess you could with tomahawk as well, but thats not as reliable imo). I'm thinking reprisal+ & vantage++ on him to delete anything on enemy phase.

[@nehylen5738]

Gregory seems to make for a fine Mage Knight, or even Flame lance+Royal Knight, considering he has pretty decent strength and can use standard weapons on lower def characters, even though the lv.5 boost +3 spd is virtually lost on him. I wouldn't compare him to Pandreo, he's more like Citrine+. Mélusine is pretty strong (lv.5 ability is a weird one though), and Madeline is indeed better as a Great Knight in my book, as it allows her to use swords to compensate that awful dex a bit. That's all in Hard mode however, which prompts my question; I don't play maddening due to not being able to keep my starter units relevant throughout: with there now being a large pool of maps to spawn skirmishes on after all DLCs are out, does maddening mode allow for more of them to do so?

[@aclevercat]

You suggest to do the dlc in mid game. But isn’t it also the time after I just lose all my rings? How am I supposed to get through the dlc without the rings 😂

[@austin80112]

Most dragon stones deal physical damage, so with Erika emblem you can deal damn near true damage. The idea of sacrificing that for any utility provided by the other classes is rough for me.

[@celrokproduction]

Madeline as a great knight really do the tank work, be it on magic or physical hit. Resolve + , Geonomy+ (proc by an allie besides her), Gentillity, Knightly Code, GK Skill, adaptability +. Crazy tank combo . Nel ain’t that good in my run unfortunately. I don’t know why tho XD her strength and magic are nice but I can snowball with her like I do with Gregory or Zelista

[@curtcoyote369]

To me Gregory is a low investment min maxed Sage. Godly mag and Res. Low basically everything else. Just slap Speed+5 and Speedtaker to fix his speed. He already comes with enough SP to get one of them anyway. Byleth also helps with his speed a bit and you could use Celica's Echo in the endgame for doubling purposes if you want Byleth on someone else. He was pretty solid in my last Maddenning run with no stat boosters or Starsphere.

[@rebornrjames]

What is the best emblem for zelestia? Tried ericka but i think lunar brace does not suit her buther soulblade really works for ericka's weapon or maybe chrom?

[@stonalisa3729]

Camilla and Chrom seem decent. Roy as well for sword power

[@TheJaredPunch]

I think she makes use of all of the Emblems well to some degree or another. But Chrom, Roy, and Camilla are some stand outs IMO.

[@DrBXXI]

I've been using Zelestia with "Sword Power", Levin Sword and emblem Eirika. She's been crushing everything.

[@LP-zn8sc]

Tbh the usually just gets whatever is left over for me. Giving her sword power and an atk emblem is kinda cool. Her str and Mag don't get too far from eachother and ironically she's actually a bad Levin sword user since targeting def+res is worse than just res. But using her with swords(brave especially) and a few tomes is pretty solid. Corrin isn't a terrible choice since the stat boosts and sword weapons are alright.

[@thereaIitsybitsyspider]

If you go all in on DLC, Madeline and Gregory become a lot stronger. Madeline likes Hector and a maxed out compact axe. Divine pulse seems like a good fit for her. Both want starsphere to patch their lopsided stats while taking their offense to an insane level. I wonder how a quick riposte avoid tank Gregory would work. You have him on Veronica, but I think he's actually the best Warp ragnarok abuser in the game since he can one shot many relevant targets or teleport onto an avoid tile surrounded by enemies and proceed to enemy phase which no other mage can really do. Too bad there's only the one Micaiah engraving.

[@ThePandaByte]

What do you think of zelestia’s class ability soulblade? It’s so awkward cause it’s almost self defeating in some circumstances

[@bloodust7356]

I removed the skill cause i use levin sword, but it synergise really well with effective weapons like armor slayer.

[@yohanes2034]

I think it's bad and unreliable at times. I was ready to make her levin sword with sword power but seeing how most of the time the levin sword damage is lower than bolganone, I decided not to do it. The times where soulblade gives you more damage with levin sword is when you attack magical units with levin sword but then she can just use physical sword.

[@IcedCoffeeGaming]

It seems like it isn't that good, it should just always target the lowest of res/def then we are cooking

[@thereaIitsybitsyspider]

I think it is stronger if you put a physical sword on her. Her growths in both stats are equal, so she can use either. Probably better to remove the skill and just have both so she can dive mages.

[@skypaladin9878]

It has to be built around. The advantage to swords versus tomes is the skills that effect them: sword power, lunar brace, weapon sync with many emblems, etc. So brave sword ends up doing a lot more damage, and a silver blade engage attack is really powerful. But tomes will be more effective without these builds

[@sphyxsairiss]

Nel = Emo Dragon Waifu Zelestia= Better Ivy Waifu Rafal = lets me break the game even more and take Hortensia from 1->20 in the span of... Only one chapter (17). His Spur Emblems passive is amazing, that's all.

[@MugenCannon97]

"I think that's all of them." You forgot Mauvier :(

[@IcedCoffeeGaming]

He's a new unit?

[@MugenCannon97]

@@IcedCoffeeGaming Yeah man, didn't you see? Mauvier. He's a member of the Four Winds, totally different from that other guy in the Four Hounds, Mauvier. You should try him sometime, I hear he's pretty handy with the Warp staff.

[@anonimzwx]

Can Dragon stones be used by alear or veyle?

[@IcedCoffeeGaming]

Only units that have them as a weapon type, so no

[@idreadFell365]

It’s still MADDENING that Alear and Vayle can’t use the fell stones.

[@HeartlessSeph]

I honestly think Madeline is the worst of the new units. She's basically a slightly better Louis (less Def at the same level but more SP and an easier to activate personal skill). Gregory is kinda the same since he's basically free Citrinne but at least having a magic nuke is better than a super slow tank.

[@HippoKing1991]

Well if only they played test the dlc on maddening... Cant really unlock them early.

[@Rui_Vuusen]

If I had to rank the dlc characters, it'd be, in order from first to last: zelestia, rafal, Madeline, Gregory, then Nel. Nel seems so meh imo, rafal just way out classes her.

[@halodregs]

Run nel as a mage or warrior pls

[@Esperian]

Consider - Gregory doesn't howl like a doofus and has his tits out. That's CLEARLY a hard carry situation. /s Im gonna slap Byleth on him and let him cook, tbh. I wonder if Nel would benefit from Lunar Brace and make the stones hit like trucks ? Hmm.

[@RaidenKaiser]

For me I would move nel off of fell child but not rafal. rafal on dragon bonus edelgarde or ike is too good not to do.

[@Lottabun]

I think reclassing the dragon twins has merit since the Fell Child class has terrible base stats.

[@ProtoTypeFM]

All of the new classes have a base stat of 5 in everything, except Melusine. Its like they didnt even bother.

[@nehylen5738]

@@ProtoTypeFM Indeed. I felt pain for Bunet when converting him to an armoured cannoneer that's effectively -8 or -9 defence compared to a Great Knight.

[@alexterieur8813]

Nel lacks so much strenght and her speed isnt as crazy as chloe, she fell off for me. I just gave her roy so hopefully he patches he damage problem

[@DARKMalice9000]

This is my Nel the first numbers is the Max Stats After the (+) is the new total Nel Fell Child Emblem Edelgard/Dimitri/Claude Str +5 Dex +4 Def +3 Skills Mag/Res +5 Str/Def +5 Hp: 65 Bld: 13 Str: 39 (+10) 49 Mag: 30 (+5) 35 Dex: 32 (+4) 36 Spd: 45 Def: 33 (+8) 41 Res: 31 (+5) 36 Lck: 37

[@alexterieur8813]

@@DARKMalice9000 of course she’ll be good with tons of investment for her damage, but if you dont feel like investing a ton there is no way she’ll have that kinda damage

[@DARKMalice9000]

@@alexterieur8813 That is true

[@django3356]

The problem isn't her stats, it's the class bases even on wolf knight and swordmaster she has better strength if you put her on wolf knight she can one round consistently with minimal investment mine only had lance power 2 and canter

[@PhalanxRises]

Not as crazy as Chloe for sure but she still has higher Spd and Dex (with the same Str) as Goldmary, which people agree is a pretty decent unit. With her speed she'll still be doubling/quadding pretty often so you can always give her Lance Power or Lunar Brace to patch up any damage weaknesses.

[@leoerus]

I'm basically replacing Nel for timerra and raphal for panette and seeing how it goes Ik they arent 1-1 but I want them to fill similar roles. Ike Nel and eirika raphal

[@SantaRPG]

I feel like you've called us coffee nation so much it has gone from ironic to sincere

[@IcedCoffeeGaming]

Coffee NATION will rise again!

[@anilkarakaya9343]

I really like usefulness of rafal. My only disappointment was he wasnt actually a femboy and was faking it

[@django3356]

The fell classes are such a disappointment because their bases are so low you get better stats on some base classes

[@django3356]

Also I'm big mad that nel looks so cool in fell child but falls off so hard for staying in it

[@michaelbainbridge7335]

Honestly, guys, I think Zelestia takes the crown for which of the Fell Xenologue units is the best one, because she starts out in a busted class and has hella versatility with her swords and tomes. She also goes well with a lot of Emblems.