How Good Is American Top Tier (BR 9.3+)

[@SilentButDudley]

Correction: the M60 AMBT has a 120mm cannon instead of a 105mm. Also the mobility is pretty great on it. Top speed isn’t too high but it’s at least quite maneuverable and accelerates well.

[@chrisnewton5126]

Ex 19k (82-86) here. We loved the M1 w/ 105mm. In reality, the 105 rifled barrel meant that the original M1 was highly accurate, (more so than the 120). As the Range NCO, I observed demonstrations (for VIPs) where an M1 knocked the bottom out of a trash can at over 2000m. The 105’s other advantage was the choice of ammo: Sabot, HEAT, WEP (HE-AP), Willie Pete, Beehive (timed fuse AP), the A1’s 120 only had Sabot & Heat.

[@baimonexe]

M3A3 is now got TOW-2A

[@nunczak0]

And gun is APFSDS now firing many

[@MASTERGAMINGLEVEL100]

@BaimonEXE the vid recording was probably before the update or the datamine

[@bubblesofthecoast6393]

What does the 2A do for the Bradley?

[@MASTERGAMINGLEVEL100]

@@bubblesofthecoast6393 it gives it a tandem warhead missile

[@PhlappyBird]

Nice grammar

[@literallyartemis]

You 100% should do this analysis with the minor trees at some point. This is an excellent series idea!

[@uniquescorpions4802]

If you play the LAV-AD exclusively as an aa, that’s why your having a bad time. It shreds every tank from the side. Edit: and If you say the WolfPack and M1128 are bad, you don’t know the play style I guess. Sit behind anything where you are hull down and free kills

[@dendis2158]

same goes with a10,a6 and a7 those things are great cas planes at 10, i mean, if he talks about 9,3+ tanks and planes a he means them to play at top top tier then yeah they suck, but at 10,0 theyre great/pretty decent

[@an000n]

@@dendis2158 Every a10 I see gets shot down in 3 seconds by Russian IFVs

[@dendis2158]

@@an000n then don't go in a straight line? 🤯

[@Boris_The_Turtle]

@@dendis2158 Its still very slow though, not sure how much it will help.

[@an000n]

@@dendis2158 it’s so slow it doesn’t matter if you try to maneuver. Also the a10 has to fly in a straight line while being within a kilometer of the target actually get a gun kill.

[@KMark43]

I really enjoy these discussion style videos 👍

[@dominykastirylis6366]

I really liked this type of video but I would love to see this with germany

[@MrDoctorDen]

Love this video! Plz do more about other countries!

[@AweShiyte]

The M3A3 Bradley has TOW-2As now, which have a max penetration value of 800mm and has tandems, which means it ignores ERA panels.

[@krin9437]

It doesn't necessarily ignore era panels. But now it treats them like normal armor instead of exploding on impact and not penetrating no matter what

[@yourfavoritelawnguy2722]

Bradley getting the TOW-2A upcoming, should make it alot better to play

[@harryshuman9637]

As far as MBTs for maximum tier go, the only tanks worth getting are the Stryker, SEP and Freebrams, all with high-res thermals which helps US tanks excel in long range sniping. For AA both LAV-AD and ADATs. HSTV-L of course, maybe Bradley A3 if you have enough crews unlocked. F-14B for air support is a must, maybe the A-6 if you have the $$$ for 10.3 setup. Helicopters are largely useless at maximum tier.

[@baderq8ty99]

i like how no one can talk about the HSTV-L without paying tribute to spookston

[@sayny]

Actually I really like the video, but I'm going to give you exactly my insights so you understand "why": If I think about it, my favourite videos of you are actually the ones in which you review the most amount of vehicles in the shortest amount of time. For example, when I wanted to buy a Premium, I checked your "Premium guide" video to get a quick opinion on it. Obviously, you don't have reviews for all videos so a quick review on a big video compiling the most amount is for me the most useful. However, I don't fully understand why you reviewed the AMBT-60 but not the AGS and the CCVL, would love to see a review on those!

[@ricolives1166]

Don't worry Sako, Gaijin will make a premium Abrams right next to the M1 Aims soon

[@Kaiberus]

i mean you werent wrong, 1 br lower but yeah. the m1 kvt

[@prussia4428]

He really wasn’t wrong

[@ricolives1166]

@@prussia4428 why would I lie. I understand business

[@piotra71]

I really enjoyed this format. More please.

[@brettbender534]

Speaking of missiles in the American helicopter trees, I wish they'd fix the APKWS II missiles, since it's missing a good portion of it's speed and lethality. Not to mention it's maneuverability.

[@Mendez1412]

I've been grinding the US and really needed this video. Thanks dude!

[@jesusofbullets]

US top tier would be the best if any of the features from the actual vehicle were there. You know, like DU armor (or actual proper armor modeling at all), DU rounds, targeting systems, etc.

[@awesom6588]

the abrams in the game has the depleted uranium armor package, that armor goes in the turret cheeks and the lower front glacis. you can put the best armor there ever but it doesnt fix the massive weakspot of the entire upper plate and turret neck. thats a design flaw thats baked in. abrams doesnt have anything special in targetting systems but M829A3 is not in the game and its great. it is however a depleted uranium round, i think they dont add that round because adding it would mean russia would get 3bm59 DU rounds, and neither germany nor anyone else has DU rounds, so it would make the american and soviet trees more powerful. it would also kind of suck, M829A3 is a little bit better than 3bm59 but both rounds penetrate around 700mm of armor, would basically pen almost anything and you wouldnt have to aim much.

[@retired4365]

When It starts to cost more lions to repair a vehicle than I make in a match, that's my top tier. 😂😂

[@awesom6588]

i do think its a shame that america didnt develop a system like the pantsir or flakrad, they could use a better AA platform. the adats is the last one they tried and the air force didnt let the army have it because they think planes should do all the work.

[@satnav9699]

New BR changes have come in so this video is already out of date

[@GraveDeath101]

Us 10.0 is absolutely goated, m1 abrahms, striker, chadley, lav, and either the av8, a10, thunderchief, littlebird, etc

[@thebean8255]

Was* M1 just moved to 10.3

[@Bergebis]

AGS too if you were lucky enough to nab it.

[@eddies_]

sweden 10.00 is better by miles

[@nobleman-swerve]

​@@thebean8255 everything it would have faced in an uptier was moved up by .3 as well. So your uptiers aren't any worse, but slightly less seal clubbing for the poor 9.0's

[@matts2208]

Now that the m1 abrams is 10.3 it really needs the m833 round :)

[@neneseal5182]

I like how you release a video and the br immediately got outdated

[@SAKOSNIPER]

My life is pain

[@raginasiangaming910]

I mean, only in Gaijins world is the T80 comparable to a US M1A2 of any type. The US M1A2 (not the export version) has world class armor and ammunition. During Desert Storm, the old M1 was recorded to eat round after after from Iraqs older tanks. Yet these same tanks easily knock out the Abrams in top tier play. Gaijin naming its ground battles as "realistic" is basically false advertising. It should be "realistic for Putins dreams".

[@-Pradi-]

In your opinion should they add premium Abrams somewhere in between 9.7-10.3, equivalent of the German Leopard Pzbtl 123?

[@lexonfors]

why? XM1 works fine

[@blackmark7165]

M60-2000 would be great

[@georgearrivals]

They could add the XM1-FSED which were a run of 11 pilot vehicles built for pre-production testing. Or they could add the M1 LRIP, which was the first production run based off FSED pilot vehicles.

[@DaddysBelt92]

​@@lexonfors clearly you haven't played it. No armor no smoke grenades Russian T series from the front are impenetrable (except for breach and driver optics) . Really the only thing it got going for it's the mobility.

[@lexonfors]

@@DaddysBelt92 you have smoke shells, and can LFP a TURMS, which keep in mind is now 10.0 compared to 9.3. Contemporary tanks are even easier to pen. It seems more like you haven't played it. Your mobility is key, use it. Stay mobile in a vehicle like that and armor doesn't matter as someone who plays a lot of light tanks.

[@V1CT0R_2]

I just wish top teir british tanks would get a buff

[@ianm-y5s]

Top tier france and italy (especially italy) too

[@V1CT0R_2]

@@ianm-y5s yeah true ariete is cool but weak and honestly i was never a huge fan of the Leclerc

[@eddieinscore282]

In my experience, the Americans are pretty good. As long as you don’t have to fight the Panzier it’s just so far all above and beyond what everybody else can do that you can’t compete with that so there’s just no flying to talk to her unless you are Russian.

[@Chronesys]

The usa tech tree Is the one i want to grind but i Just can't. I'm at the jumbo and having to face only panthers and tigers Is just too painful

[@Mendez1412]

The US tech tree is really hard to grind around this B.R. I used 5.3 or 5.7 lineups a lot. You won't find any american tank at 5.0 to 6.0 with both good armor and good gun, so I advise you adapt your playstyle. You have tanks with stabs and good CAS too.

[@Chronesys]

@@Mendez1412 How do you adapt anything when you face tanks with good armor, firepower and decent mobility with a peashooter?

[@ordeithx]

5.3 is the hardest br for America. I'd suggest the m4a2 76mm and get good at knowing where to shoot other tanks and proper positioning. Also the light tanks and scouting is helpful.

[@tinuraviel9507]

​@@Chronesys you can pen early Tigers and Panthers cupolas easely with even the 75mm M3 gun of the Shermans, and if you are not a good aim go for barrel then tracks woth .50cal and finish with side shots

[@ordeithx]

​@falx9981 I like the t20 and walker bulldog at 6.0 and the cas at 5.7 and 6.0 is one of the best in the game, in my opinion.

[@leviathantsp]

I have no idea how you can view the Leopards as something superior compared to the Abrams in game, considering their only real advantage is slightly higher pen and smaller weakspots on the turret front, while being much worse in every other way. For starters, while the Abrams have the obvious turret ring weakspot, the Leopards have the entire hull as a weakspot lol, if we are going to talk about protection the Abrams has a much higher chance of ''bouncing'' up an APFSDS on the UFP whereas with the Leopards you just die, quite literally considering the driver side is a guaranteed one shot. About the weight, well believe or not you can just NOT use the TUSK to reduce weight, since it only hurts your mobility and could only save you against an stock shell on the side, something that should be quite rare. Honestly you can't complain about the SEP mobility while carrying all those useless ERA blocks (and the ridiculous machine gun protection that makes you even easier to spot) About other quality of life things of the Abrams, you failed to mention the HEAT with proximity fuse the Abrams have to shot down helicopters quite easily, Leopards on the other hand are helpless against them. Oh and also you can only carry 16 rounds with the Leopards to empty the front ammo rack. I'm sure some people (mostly those who don't survive for long) will be okay with that amount but it limits your effectiveness, mostly on long range maps where you are not likely to one shot everything, and most Russian tanks as well as Abrams rarely get one shot at those ranges anyway. I won't deny the Russians do have a better line up and (most importantly) a much better helicopter, but Germany is on par with the US at best, if you are super optimistic, and significantly below being objetive. We'll see how things change once the PSO is added in the next or nexts updates.

[@Kwisss]

Pretty much, GER top tier is lacking compared to USSR, US and SWE (which have better leopards).

[@JamesVDBosch]

This is me being a nitpicking asshole, but with that in mind: @7:19 It's not a 105, it's a 120. The M60 AMBT also doesn't have ''awful mobility'' IMHO, it's got a 1200 hp engine instead of a 750 one so it's more mobile than a T-72 for sure. @9:59 Minor nitpick, but ''Improved *Performance* M1'', not ''Protection'' It should also be worth noting that virtually all top-tier tanks are moving up in BR this patch, except for the IPM1 and M1A1, they're very likely to become massively dominant when in capable hands. @10:44 The IPM1 and M1A1 both share ''BRL-2'' armour, the M1A1 HC does not share the same armour with the IPM1, but is the first tech tree M1 to feature DU armour. It also doesn't have a better gun than it's predecessor. @12:17 M1A2 does not have better armour. @12:40 ''Tank Urban Survival kit''. @21:45 M1's have smaller weakspots than Leo 2's thanks to the fact that the UFP of a Abrams is a autobounce to any APFSDS, whereas a 2A5's UFP can be penned by any of the top-tier darts.

[@manueldelbusto725]

I agree with everything except the ufp "autobounce" all top tier ammo will simply go through.

[@OzzyTheWild]

@@manueldelbusto725 yeah true. You can be lucky and the shot will bounce, but most top tier round will go trough it

[@MrDMIDOV]

Every tabk in-game is good if you just enjoy all biases

[@peter_egger]

First of all, thank you for your content... awesome. i have a question. i finished the german tec tree... and i have both nations USA and RUSSIA on BR 8.0... but i don´t know which nation i should grind ?! im a heli guy and love the KA-52... also the Z-10... it´s hard for me to choose. maybe you can help me. cheers

[@justananimefan495]

Use whatever you like more. But if you want something more effective, then use Ka-52. Its the strongest helicopter in game. The only good enemy I seen was some Chinese helicopter with great air-to-air missiles

[@dbzfanexwarbrady]

good overview of a Tree i dont play , help deal with them as a moronic UK main

[@ctcrusader7479]

You released this RIGHT BEFORE the br changes lol. Still a good watch though.

[@jakeogroton]

Recent nerfs to the tow 2b?? The missile got destroyed about 2 months into its life span

[@jiazhengyu72]

Germany was my first top tier nation and I don't think it's better than US. Leo2A5/6 is basically a worse version of STRV122A/B. DM53 may be the best shell on the paper but I feel no difference compared with m95, 3BM60 and M829. German doesn't have a good line on the top tier, you have 2 MBT and 1 SPAA on 11.7 and then everything else is under 10.3. German CAS is also suffering in the current meta. The most disappointing thing is the teammate, I feel like German has the most 1-respawn player at 10.3 and 11.7, so many prem leo2a4 and leo PL players die in the first 3 minutes and then leave the game. I used to play 20 games on German 11.3 and lost 17 of them, the reason why I won the other 3 games is because I was on the same side as Russian.

[@Disbandeddeath1]

More of these please for other nations

[@Frost_x_NB]

Can you remake this video since there’s been tons of new BR changes and lots has changed

[@phoenix-bv7bw]

M1 Abrams needs M833

[@haydenrasmussen5117]

Can you review the Shimakaze please?

[@samdaman9214]

Im using this to grind germany and its really fun 💀

[@jacobkopec6368]

Hey I use 6 Maverics missiles 2 GBU 8 bombs and 4xAIM7EF on my F-4E and its second best after F16

[@saddamhussein5462]

I just wish they would add upgraded ammunition choices. The m829a2 is a very old round

[@b-17gflyingfortress6]

A2 is DM53 and 3BM60 equal if you ask me. Adding A3 could be too early

[@bruhmomento4590]

@@b-17gflyingfortress6 trying to implement an anti-ERA mechanism would be controversial

[@b-17gflyingfortress6]

@@bruhmomento4590 We already have Anti ERA as Tandem anti tank missiles

[@bruhmomento4590]

@@b-17gflyingfortress6 I meant with APFSDS. I feel like people would cry no matter what gaijin would do

[@diprosla592]

Ah1z could carry TOW missiles but they removed them when they added hellfires kinda dum idea from gajgin

[@DFlaminberry]

XM-1 does well if you just pretend you are an M18

[@Xray21207]

Do one of these for every nation please 🙏

[@SAKOSNIPER]

I'll try😀

[@Xray21207]

@@SAKOSNIPER thank you! Keep up the good work 👏

[@rainbowcat6616]

M 1 abrams need m833

[@baimonexe]

Yeah. Even with 5 sec reload. But if it struggle to pen enemy that's mean nothing. Same with Leopard 2A4 that need DM33. Both tanks are now at 10.3 so it's mean that it's going to see much armoured tanks.

[@JamesVDBosch]

@@baimonexe Sigh... No, they're not going to see more armoured tanks because literally 99% of the vehicles present at top tier ALL moved up. They stayed at the relatively same BR, and they don't need better ammo, what they have right now is completely sufficient. Besides, be careful what you wish for, DM33 on the Leo 2A4? prepare for it to move up in BR even further as a result, whereas right now it's comfortably curbstomping TURMS-T players.

[@OzzyTheWild]

@@JamesVDBosch yeah exactly. I prefer to have my leopard 2a4 at 10.3 with Dm23 than the 2a4 at 10.7 with Dm33. The difference isn’t good enough to be worth it

[@IC3T3CH]

AGS goated

[@YoRHaUnit2Babe]

US teams are so atrociously lacking in Skill that they instantly desintegrate the moment I get in a CAS plane to clear enemy positions. US teams are genuinely incompetent with only a handful of skilled players who singlehandedly get a consistent 4-7 kills per match. the Rank VII premiums also hurt the teams alot.

[@pallegantzhorn3742]

Germany next plz

[@Hawkeye6941]

I just want the Sep v2 with tusk 2.

[@Kwisss]

@Dingle SEP = Same Exact Protection

[@j.h.m.s5164]

​@Dingle the sep v1 have more protection in the front hull,but gaijin leaves it like a normal m1a2

[@WoofyMcDoodle]

I played a lot of USA and I can tell it has the worst vehicles for top tier in the entire game. Its borderline impossible to play at certain points. The Abrams tanks have simply no armor so russian mains dont even need to aim at weakspots. Gen 1 Thermals at 11.7? Horrible to play. And there no vehicles left they could add to improve the lineups somehow as in real life US ground vehicles are simply garbage. The only reason to play US is for their air tech tree, but whats the point of playing ground only to spawn in planes.

[@HermesTheTort]

Noice

[@Mossyzilla]

Like the video do Russia next please

[@joelplease9039]

isint sweden the best top tier?

[@JamesVDBosch]

I'm really wondering why you believe that USA's top tier isn't as good as that of Germany. Right now we've got: - M1A2 SEP > Leo 2A6 - M1A2 = Leo 2A5 - M1A1 AIM >>> Leo 2PL - M1A1 HC >>> Leo 2A4 - IPM1 >>> Leo 2K Tanks wise, USA absolutely curbstomps Germany in terms of lineups and viable respawns. Germany is in pretty dire need of more/better MBTs IMO.

[@ezrasdemise]

M1A2 Sep is only better than the 2A6 in terms of thermals, everything else is superior on the 2A6. M1A2 is inferior to the 2A5, it's slower, the gun is about the same, and it's less armored. M1A1 AIM is better than the 2PL as it's a 2A4 ( which is mediocre ) M1A1 HC is better than the 2A4 because the 2A4 is a mediocre tank IPM1 isn't much better than the 2K, personally both are pretty great tanks

[@JamesVDBosch]

@@ezrasdemise M1A2 SEP has better thermals, airburst round, massively better hull armour, marginally better overall mobility, 50. cals, marginally better gun depression, no hull ammo stowage, armoured and protective fuel tanks and better crew layout. ''Everything else is superior on 2A6''? It's also ironic watching people dismiss the M1A2's better thermals now, whereas before they all claimed the 2A5 was so much better because it had 2nd gen commander thermals and M1's did not.

[@andrewmacias-brown1818]

US top tier is much better than germanys, the Leo’s are great, sure Abrams have larger weak spots but killer rounds, reloads, great gun depression and overall can be much more annoying. I’ve never had issues with Leo’s. I’d also argue Abrams players are better than Leo’s. Still I love the Leo 2A4 right now, but it’s not quite as good as a IPM1, that tank is scary.

[@Kwisss]

@@ezrasdemise IPM1 not much better than the 2K? Its way better with survivability, thermals, 5 second reload and M900. I get the 2K is trolly as well as having the 20 mm but there's a reason why it got moved up from 10.0 to 10.3 to 10.7.

[@ezrasdemise]

@@JamesVDBosch I get the 50 cals, but the airburst round is rarely useful and I didn't not just see someone saying an abrams is more mobile than a leopard, are you on crack?

[@coolstar2398]

i feel like the americans are forced touse the early abrams production models, which are shit in game which forces so many players t buy the xm1 or the wolf. even the abrams and m1ip are pretty shit. only when you finaly get the m1a1 and the 120mm are you even capable of competing in game. but then relative to the other nations the m1a2s dont get that much better. they just keep pace with the meta.

[@toddreaker2298]

I refuse to get top tier American because of all the other garbage you have to grind through.

[@jarilehmusnotko6602]

I think swe top tier is as good as ger for tanks anyway, dont no how good cas they have

[@mr.abrams8112]

Pretty gimped

[@SkraLord]

America sucks, M1 is a 1 hit almost everytime

[@JamesVDBosch]

Everything at top-tier is a one-hit-kill with decent aim, so moot point. At least the M1's on average have the highest survivability of any top-tier tank.

[@Alexander_Hodge]

​​@@JamesVDBosch M1 has way more weak points than almost any russian top tier T series tank. It's way easier to weakpoint an M1 than T series.

[@JamesVDBosch]

@@Alexander_Hodge We're talking about survivability here, not armour protection. Wakey wakey. Regardless, if you have even basic aiming skills, Russian tanks are still among the easiest to one-shot.

[@Alexander_Hodge]

@James V. D. Bosch The survivability doesn't matter if half of your tanks armour doesn't work. The best survivability for a tank would probably be The STRV 122. It actually has working hull armour and a good turret. Survivability is always a mix of armour and layout, if you have a great layout but shite armour (Abrams), your survivability is not great. T series is the opposite absolutely horrendous ammo and crew layout but insane armour. That does not change the fact that shooting an abrams in the ufp kills the driver gunner and commander most times. This is a contrast to the T series which has to be either picked to pieces or shot in the LFP which does not always even hit the ammo all the time because russian tanks spall less.

[@JamesVDBosch]

@@Alexander_Hodge M1's armour works better than the majority of MBT's in-game. Also, stop confusing Armour with Survivability, Survivability is the likelyhood of dying after the armour has already been penetrated. Armour is the likelyhood of being penetrated in the first place. Also, M1's UFP is immune to literally any APFSDS in the entire game.

[@ah-64apache92]

Bad compared to russian one

[@Giantsfanghg]

Most people don’t know they get spawn camped to fast because of all the level 16 1 death leaver premium players