How Good is Gran Turismo Sophy 2.0 in GT7 Spec II?

[@otowa2299]

If you want the sound to stop, you can remove player names display over cars in your settings.

[@R3FL3X84]

Can you still have the emoji but no sound ?

[@otowa2299]

@@R3FL3X84 The emoji will only appear on the drivers list on the left.

[@Nelson_.A]

Also the binging and the emojis don't show up on Psvr2.

[@BL00MYB0Y]

@@Nelson_.A I was just thinking to myself, what emoji’s & what sound 🤷‍♂️ but I only play in VR 😂 Thank you, I was really confused

[@pixelcultmedia4252]

@@Nelson_.A No, they're there. You may have already turned the names off.

[@dannyvanlaarhoven]

Now I hope you can enable Sophy in custom offline races with more laps. Would be awesome to run an hour race on nurburgring.

[@RyanWalker-bb1nc]

Definitely my favourite track. But gt7 have stopped me wanting to race on it, because you can't race. The opposition indicate and pull over. Slowing down to let you pass 😞

[@CalculatedRiskAK]

This makes me excited for the future of Sophy, honestly. Seeing moves like the McLaren, and even that KTM defending the position heavily were amazing to see. Sophy clearly can "see" other cars gaining and immediately tucks itself in to defend the inside. If Sophy was the default AI, we might be able to have standing starts again.

[@some_doofus]

I think at the moment they're still definitely programmed with the same rubber banding as the regular AI, to an extent. I've seen a few videos where they are still easy to pass in a straight line until you take the lead then they're able to keep up with you. I would love to see this removed so the race is actually a race, and this would be a necessity for grid starts as well. I would also love to see a difficulty slider or options of some sort. Not everyone will want to get rid of the rubber banding completely, but having the option to race more difficult and aggressive AI would be awesome for better players.

[@aluisious]

The game needs qualifying, standing starts, and Sophy in the races where you actually make credits.@@some_doofus

[@Gamebit257]

Also, the reason you count bin the McLaren is because - unlike the regular AI - it's running on the same sets of physics as you are. Their mass isn't heavily increased to enhance AI stability. This also means that when the AI hits you, it's not like a freight train anymore (y'all know what I'm talking about)

[@erikd6124]

Are the cars still categorized to HP or have they moved on to a more performance oriend system like Forza?

[@Gamebit257]

@@erikd6124 Performance Points

[@erikd6124]

@@Gamebit257 thx. I googled it right after. What do you think of PP compared to Forza Motorsports system?

[@Gamebit257]

@@erikd6124 Mostly ok, racing cars are also divided in classes, so you have GT4s as Gr.4 and GT3s as Gr.3 alongside their PPs, as GT7 have BoP for these classes. Road cars are a bit complicated to balance, but the PPs will generally give an approximation of their performance.

[@erikd6124]

@@Gamebit257 i grew tiered of gt sport after 4 years. To stiff and stale. Dirt 2 rally and wreckfest replaced GT sport. Will I enjoy GT7 ? Or should I just wait for PS plus extra realise?...

[@mysticalplatypus87]

That manoeuvre from the McLaren looked amazing. I’m an absolute noob when it comes to sim racing but even I, with my limited knowledge, loved that

[@vyasrushi5177]

From my experience so far, Sophy only uses stock cars and stock tire, means racing hards, sport hards and comfort hards..no softs or medium....So, if you want to see GT Sophy's true speed, I would suggest to use stock cars with hard tires.....I also noticed that Sophy is better optimized for road cars than race cars

[@blkskltn]

Not all cars default to the hard compound on their stock setups, the 240Z's and several classic ferraris use CM/CS

[@mr88nyc]

My first Sophy race was with GT3 cars on Deep Forest and so far that’s been my best experience with it. I was surprised by how much fun it was.

[@vyasrushi5177]

@@blkskltn yah, in short....keep the same tire compound as Sophy to get the best race

[@Empire_of_Ravens]

Ah dang, didn't know that

[@HugoStiglitz88]

That's weird becauae the first times they showed sophy was all race cars

[@mr88nyc]

Btw if the binging noises bother you, turn off the UI element that displays car names above cars onscreen. I had that turned off and I don’t get the emojis.

[@JoshsoJB]

You get the 400% bonus if you do the circuit experience on that track as well.

[@TheWorldsMyth]

it seems sophy only see the car were driving and assume were using the stock car and match it. Hopefully future updates they would adjust it based on PP and not the type of car we use

[@madriditunes7021]

Exactly it works great with original unmodified cars, otherwise it easily takes the first position without difficulty

[@some_doofus]

Wow that last race in the 458 looked like unreal fun! Really keen to see Sophy added to more circuits, especially trickier ones like Bathurst and the Nürburgring. Hopefully they'll add a proper difficulty slider which completely removes rubber banding from the highest level. I've watched a few videos where it's pretty apparent they're still programmed to let you pass on straights until you get to first, then they're able to use 100% of their power and keep up with you easily. It's great that they're a lot more challenging in corners now, but I'd love to see it properly unleashed for a real challenge. You get sick of winning every single race after a while. Also hope they give you the option to disable the emojis and noises. And fingers crossed it's not too long until we can race Sophy in custom races of any length. I dream of doing endurance races against Sophy at Bathurst and the Nürburgring. Really excited to see how they compare to the regular AI on those tracks, especially going across Skyline at Bathurst where the regular AI would inexplicably brake in highspeed corners, allowing you to pass 3-4 cars every time you pass that section. That kind of behaviour really killed the immersion for me.

[@RuTube981]

Youll notice too that when the mclaren made that move the caterham moved in to defend for a bit.

[@rouxf13]

They've done something to straight line speed with Sophy imo, it's way better than standard everywhere else but slower on the straights in equivalent cars for no real reason. Hopefully PD let's us tune that out with preferences because if they do (and add lap options) this will be the best AI in racing games IMO. e; also you can turn pinging and emoticons off by turning off opponent car names

[@alexfoxy]

Yeh almost rubber banding or something with max power output

[@snivesz32]

Yeah i think that’s their strategy to keep it competitive with the player. Sophy will take the corner optimally and once onto the straight it will cut back to 85% power to let the player catch it. If Sophy is behind I don’t think it cuts power in the straight.

[@SiCaRiI_DaGgEr]

What tire setup did you use for this race aka did you match the tires used by Sophy in each race?

[@VodkaRob]

Definitely makes for some enjoyable racing and with a bit more of a tweak this could be spectacular. Great video as well, thank you. Worth a sub too so I'll catch you in the next one. ✌️😎

[@iggynor5007]

Why I can't access Colorado Springs anymore?

[@johngood8742]

The sound of the vacuum cleaner remained.

[@user-kj9iy7fk5i]

sophy makes me consider buying gt7 and a ps5

[@spongebelt]

3 laps just isn’t enough. I want 15, 20 laps with this AI with a pit stop. Would be more fun that way

[@apenneukende]

I agree with your wishes but why do you have to voice them like a pissy little child?

[@spongebelt]

@@apenneukende lmao

[@gerlonggaul]

Anyone knows any reference that explain what are these gt sophy emoji means? I dont understand some of the emojis

[@4thManonCross]

Its a catch up system I saw aYou Tuber who demonsrtated sophy has way slower laptimes, when u are behind and faster laptimes when ur ahead. Basically, they need to reduce the effect of the catchup by at least 50% for hard difficulty or on the podium cars for it to be more challenging for A+ drivers. They have to limit sophy, because its hard to scale perfection yo name it sometimes suck, If they didn't sophy would be impossible to catch after u battle your way to the top, and even if they add qualifying, who as a non pro could out qualify sophy, either u give her slower cars or use catch up when she's ahead. They should turn the catch up off when she's 1 second ahead & turn it on when she is getting too far to keep race close. That way they get U near enough, but its up to ur skill to pass her

[@MiguelRodrigues-io7gh]

Srry no aids an rs tyres !

[@mnap89]

For some reason they dont have the same performance or power like player. You can see in replay that on straight player is accelerating a little quicker and higher top speed than the same car driven by sophy. not much but like few %

[@remirousselet6867]

Yeah I think PD voluntarily made Sophy underpowered, to have it beatable by humans

[@mnap89]

@@remirousselet6867 Probably. Or it could be the same issue like in 2 player split screen. Or should I say feature. :)

[@flaw3dgenius222]

Great to see someone using Cockpit cam online rather than the awful roof cam. Not sure why but my Sophy does not Bing Bing Bing Bing... which is good

[@KikuraKun]

Roof cam is an advantage since it gives full view instead of the limited cockpit view. But, each to their own.

[@flaw3dgenius222]

@@KikuraKun Its horrible though its like your driving a truck. Only GT has this awful cam for a reason.

[@KikuraKun]

@@flaw3dgenius222 It's a roof cam for a reason. Like I said, it's giving you a full view unlike other camera views.

[@flaw3dgenius222]

@@KikuraKun Yeah its absolutely dreadful like your in one of those huge racing trucks looking down on all the other cars. Zero immersion.

[@KikuraKun]

@@flaw3dgenius222 Thank you for your input. Now, I'll race on roof cam from now on, since it's absolutely dreadful like you said.

[@SToX85]

Can you Set sophy in offline Customizing races?

[@cesarmuller8962]

Não, e isso é horrível! Todo mundo esperava poder usa-la com corridas longas... Erraram feio nisso.

[@KikuraKun]

​@@cesarmuller8962Bruh. It's a prototype. Why releasing that on fully version when it's not yet finished?

[@KikuraKun]

It's limited to Quick Races. PD literally said that it's a prototype version.

[@RedPixel2023]

Sophy or no Sophy, GT7 is a drivable game now. Really gives you the race esp when using an underpowered car and useyour skills when racing up against any car. The circuits are so wonderful...this is the real SIM racer in 2023 and beyond

[@miro8743]

What we need now is a better ffb, I can't feel anything when breaking, I can't feel some curbs even if the curb sound is there, and like every game with different classes of cars there should be a per car ffb setting, at least for the torque. Unfortunately I don't see many people talking about this so maybe I'm wrong...what do you think?

[@scottd7222]

What kind of wheel you using?

[@miro8743]

@@scottd7222 unfortunately a g29...but with the same wheel I can get many more infos with other games...I know it's limited but with assetto, automobilista 2, rfactor2 it works as it should..I'm asking for that kind of level but something closer to it

[@miro8743]

@@scottd7222 can I ask you what wheel you use and if you can feel all the curbs, in particular the curbs at high speed ring. I can feel every curb with the controller but nothing on the wheel, so I don't understand if they stopped supporting the g29, or those curbs, like many others, are not supposed to be felt dispite the typical curb sound going on. I might upgrade my wheel in the future

[@SakoRichards]

@@miro8743just upgraded from g29 to gt dd pro, wish I had done it sooner, it is truly night and day difference in the amount of detail felt

[@miro8743]

@@SakoRichards Yes I can imagine, the thing is that there is a night and day difference from GT7 to assetto corsa with the g29, so I'm wondering wheter it is woth it to change just for gt or not..I'm sure your wheel does a better job with AC as well so it would be a 360 degrees improvement for me upgrading to the dd pro...but maybe they could improve the ffb a little bit more maybe giving us some more costumizable options in the game. Thanks for your reply anyway

[@Sideways_Singh]

This was a massive amazing suprise, the racing in race cars is phenomenal, road cars is too easy. They made the a.i easier so u have a chance at winning since u start in 10th, we need a harder setting and ability to choose how many laps u want and time progression for now, untill they bring it into event races & custom races eventually, and sophy can do pitstops & drive in the rain.

[@Hillzy_Eighty7]

Please give us Sophy at the Nurburgring and Bathurst!!!

[@shakengandulf]

They'll definitely add more in updates.

[@flyingsplice]

is the main objective in every race still to start in dead last and blow past a bunch of slower cars? if so, not sure how big a difference sophy even makes. still holding on to hope that PD eventually offers a race weekend format with starting from pit lanes/practice/qualy/race like every other decent racing sim has

[@Artkeed__laban]

Is the game available for Android?

[@a92gsxdsm]

Why doesn't your watkins Glenn have sophy? Mine has sophy at Watkins and not road Atlanta. Weird.

[@RyanWalker-bb1nc]

Have you teied custom race with AI set to weak boost? They are up to 8+ seconds a lap faster than with it off or set to strong.

[@shakengandulf]

Its bad enough the game has rubberbanding.. both slow down and boost. Atleast in arcade you can switch boost off. We want it gone, not artificiality worsened. Speeding them up, would ruin the whole point of every car being different.

[@CSTBFO_jad]

Loving the return of Sophy, even though she's nerfed a bit compared to the demo in Feb. I am super excited for its future though. Now that it has a permanent home in GT7 it will now gather data and improve itself exponentially. Apart from the easier level they are at some of the moves they make are still just plain awesome. I love how they place the car on the track when another car is right behind. They make the car as wide as possible making you rethink your next move. And I love how they take risks and sometimes sacrifice the racing line to get past, and how they try to say ahead. This is the future. But for now it's a warm welcome after a day of racing online against drivers with little to no racecraft.

[@Pooz30]

This seems to be a toned down version of Sophy. The Sophy challenge that came and went was way more difficult.

[@bigace3122]

Exactly

[@VariantAEC]

It was way more difficult because GT chose the cars you race against Sophy with. The cars you drove were also more powerful than the ones Sophy did until you selected the 1v1 race where the cars were the same. Imagine a 1 make race with 20 opponents all GT Sophy... it would probably still be really, really difficult.

[@gustavomedeiros8033]

How you setup that porsche? Its oem?

[@snivesz32]

I have raced against Sophy 1.0 and 2.0 and can definitely say that 1.0 was nearly too hard and 2.0 is quite easy, too easy. I seem to remember watching an interview with Kaz who eluded to the ease in training an AI that’s too good and the seemingly perplexing problem of making the AI more sporting to race against. Because the best challenge is specific to the driver themselves, each driver is at a different skill level. So, perhaps time will tell if Sophy 2.0 will adapt to your driving pace, albeit starting out too slow, we can only hope.

[@flaw3dgenius222]

If its too easy make sure your using equivalent cars rather than tuned cars/soft tires. Its pretty great on equal machinery

[@pixelcultmedia4252]

It's not too easy. You're just using your tuned-up cars against Sophy's stock cars.

[@snivesz32]

@@pixelcultmedia4252 Maybe so but GT7 is built around the Performance Parity PP equivalence metric so why wouldn’t it select equal PP cars to my selection? I do notice more competitive racing in the Gr4 and Gr3 cars as they are all the same spec.

[@pixelcultmedia4252]

@@snivesz32 Not maybe, it's just how it works. The Sophy AI runs at a constant and will run consistent lap times. You either set up your car to beat it or just to be competitive. You're the one straightening the slinky and ruining the fun. Is the design horrible and non-explanatory? Completely. But the AI isn't dumbed down or easy, they're just given shitty stock cars.

[@zpe1200]

bspec when you put it on max was better to watch

[@lamsmiley1944]

Why does GT always have you start at the back of the grid? They should have you qualify and not tone down the capability of the AI.

[@KikuraKun]

Does this look like you're at the back of the grid? You're in the middle. Plus Sophy AI is still limited as they're in development. They slowed down so that you can overtake them all in 3 laps.

[@Trevisio]

Dumbed down this so much it’s boring, just so they don’t offend slow driving customers

[@theedge5584]

SUX ITS NOT ON PS4

[@scleeve5650]

You need to use road tyres (comfort or sport) when using road cars. That's what sophy will be using. I never understand why so many use race tyres in the game on road cars which ruins the physics and handling feel, and competitiveness of ai who are not using them.

[@motorracer88]

only quit start is a joke with 3 laps, nothing for self created maps -.-

[@GraveUypo]

this is the thing i want most from racing games. better AI. glad to see GT pursuing this. meanwhile, forza's AI only keeps getting worse over time.

[@popshedpilot6635]

It's way to easy and the races are to short

[@RyanWalker-bb1nc]

Sophys lap times are also 5+ seconds a lap slower than regular AI

[@rwells3325]

They dumbed sophy down , definitely needs to have more agressive and faster driving. the first version seemed better. PD pobably need to have several AI models used to represent different driving levels.

[@bigace3122]

It’s so sad smh

[@VariantAEC]

GT Sophy wasn't dumbed down. Play using a weaker *STOCK* car that Sophy can also use. Try again and see how well you do.

[@stryker1999]

While I greatly appreciate the video, why, WHY did you keep flipping to your mug on the screen?? We can see you just fine in the little box if we really want a glimpse of you. That was kind of a mucky thing.

[@fatshartspunhouse2403]

The always on emoticons are an extremely poor choice and are supremely irritating in a game that calls itself “The Real Driving Simulator”

[@KikuraKun]

It's a game, so why bother? Besides, you can turn that off.

[@fatshartspunhouse2403]

Can you? Thought they always show

[@KikuraKun]

@@fatshartspunhouse2403 Haven't played the game. Look at other comments.

[@davejl79]

Just let us race grid start PD! I think this vid gives Sophy way too much credit. Setting expectations far too low. I’m sure Grid AI was better than this 15 years ago.

[@bigace3122]

They slowed Sophy down so sad

[@pixelcultmedia4252]

She's just on stock tires with a reduced top speed. Tune down your car to make the race challenging.

[@VariantAEC]

​@@pixelcultmedia4252 I don't think the speed is reduced. Just use a stock car and see how it goes.

[@64fairlane305]

ok, just a silly copy of forza`^s ai "drvatars"

[@olavofernandes7286]

Nope

[@crypticsouls987]

I stopped playing GT7 because it's so unrealistic. Oh great they added emojis!! And all these arcade "racers" are eating it up. Sad really

[@apenneukende]

What I took away from this video: 1. GTPlanet doesn't prepare anything for their videos; 2. He's "so sorry."