How Good is Paladin in Dawntrail (Opener & Rotation) | Xeno's First Impression

In this video Xeno goes over his Paladin openers and rotation for Dawntrail Patch 7.0.
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[@BlackLight886]

Saving the Dark Knight rant for the series finale i see...

[@phildefreitas5669]

It's such a small change, but the new Atonement combo animations are so slick and satisfying. It may not do the most damage, but Paladin is tons of fun to play right now.

[@alexanderwilliams799]

Disagree, but to each their own. It feels exactly the same as it did at 90.

[@RannitheWitch56]

It still feels the most boring and slow job

[@v8046]

Cuz it was reworked last expansion dawg

[@RekiWylls]

The only thing I don't like about it is that the second skill looks like I'm attacking something beside me, not the target I'm attacking

[@fredxu99]

@phildefreitas5669 the last hit Sepulchre looks really wonky, like the clunky backhanded upswing on a sword looks so weird.. but the rest is pretty alright.

[@freaknature1774]

Pld main, I like pld in DT supplication and sepulcher feel good to use and Blade of Honor is really cool, just amazing how CoS has gone this long without an upgrade or anything.

[@v8046]

Fr its literally so weak and is due for a vfx change and buff

[@ArchieGamez]

I know right, we spam CoS a lot too wished it got new animations

[@darkxarchon]

Dark Knight in the bin. Can't wait for the rant.

[@Rakkh1r]

waiting on the dark knight video, my bald liege

[@Dunkingsonn]

It's going to be a still image of his DRK laying dead on the floor.

[@Ti7Vk3y]

​@@DunkingsonnHe's in the grave! 😂

[@ShikiRyougi05]

DRK is so cooked this expansion i don't even wanna watch it 😭

[@ancarwillis9060]

@@ShikiRyougi05DRK is fine, in fact they literally gave us basically everything we wanted. Shadowed Vigil is basically a 1200 potency cure, with a 40% damage reduction and scarlet delirium basically upgrades our burst skill making bloodspiller less janky and deals more damage. What else do you want besides more of the same. The only thing I don’t like is the AF armor. They could’ve done better

[@fredxu99]

​@@ancarwillis9060 So far what I've noticed in EX content, DRK's rotation became incredibly rigid as a result of the Blood Weapon change. Tying Blood Weapon to Delirium forces a requirement for the gauge to be at 70 or lower before the 2min window for 2 bloodspillers, which happens automatically if absolutely nothing goes wrong and you have 100% uptime. But this value can drift depending on downtime and how many Souleaters you can get off, leading to some really awkward gauge management that isn't easily corrected and continues to drift throughout the fight. I felt like before it was a lot easier to fix the gauge as Delirium and Blood Weapon were different cooldowns and you could separate them if necessary so long as all Bloodspillers are expended in the 2min window. Torrcleaver looks cool at least. Other than that, TBN/Oblation/Dark Mind were not addressed despite being fundamentally weaker and more finnicky to use than every other tank's cooldowns. Vigilance is cool but it still doesn't solve the kit's core problems of being still a bit too magic-focused on mits. TBN is awkward as always, and is even more punishing to fuck up now because our MP economy got cut with only 3 hits of Blood Weapon where we used to have 5 hits, so we have less MP than before. And lastly, the gapcloser. It's fine, I miss the Plunge animation but there's nothing too wrong with it. I feel like it's a tad bit slower but not nearly as bad as what happened to GNB's Rough Divide. So IDK, we got like 1 nice cooldown, Torrcleaver is kinda cool, but then the rest of the kit has even more issues than before and the concerns around Dark Mind and TBN are not addressed for the 3rd expansion in a row.

[@Garl_Vinland_FFXIV]

PLD is so fun to play now

[@vemmis5404]

A minor thing I've noticed is that in your holy spirit burst window you can hold sepulchre instead of holy spirit, since they are equivalent(You use atonement, supplication, holy spirit rather than atonement, supplication, sepulchre) making the last three gcds sepulchre, royal authority, holy spirit for a small 10 extra potency under FoF. Very minor thing. Good video! I appreciate the paladin coverage :3

[@Robulite]

Xeno making an informational video is so chill where is the HELLL YEEAHHHHHH

[@microsoftpaintpaladin214]

My liege, the bots have taken note of your drawing techniques. Well done milord.

[@BM03]

Oh my GOD he did it again! He's calmed and collected and not insulting chat! PLEASE I beg you, pull at the bell and yell and kiss chat next video! I'M SCARED!!

[@TenebrisGladius]

Relax....Dark Knight is the last one.

[@DeuceTG]

Good explainer by Xeno. Having tried early FoF (Xeno's) and normal FoF, can say that the effectiveness is very clear time dependent, in EX1 I generally get a higher aDPS with the normal rotation, while in EX2 I tend to get more out of Xeno's extra activation, probably due to the fact that clear time on 2 is a bit longer than 1, mind you this was entirely tested on PF so with a coordinated group results may vary. Also, an alternative to DMHS - RA - DMHS for your 2nd best filler after blades, you can use the Atonement combo (that is Atonement - Supplication - Sepulcher) because they have the exact same total potency (1380 combined) or Sepulcher - RA - DMHS (1390 combined), however, like Xeno pointed, the potency difference between your worst burst filler and your best one, assuming you have prepped the best available choice prior, is pretty negligible (20 - 30 potency depending on what filler you used).

[@adrian-iw7gm]

it all depends if you crit or not

[@DeuceTG]

@@adrian-iw7gm sad but true, crit variance is more influential to your output than rotation variants

[@Shrimpcake]

So happy to hear you enjoy PLD as well Xeno! Everyone around me has been dogpiling on the class even though I've been enjoying the new pally a lot as it's also my main tank class to go to.

[@Braveheartbronie]

Pally is my main so knowing its good is very comforting

[@DrowsyBean]

Damage is a little low but nothing beats paladin in terms of utility. Easily my favorite tank

[@LordPebble2309]

its the worst tank rn dmg wise But otherwise it's been a blast. its my main too and its been fun

[@1337penguinman]

PLD was the class I started 14 on and for some reason I just keep coming back to it.

[@StriderZessei]

It's literally a difference of about 2% ​@@LordPebble2309

[@vespi57]

Xeno has been so Warrior-centered it makes me happy that he actually likes Paladin now. The one edge Paladin has over other tanks is their capacity with ranged skills. If you can get burst going during a mechanic that forces you outside max melee range, Paladin can safely go further away and still keep doing max DPS. In these situations you of course want to keep one Intervene ready to quickly get back to melee range, when it's safe again. And if same happens outside burst windows, hardcasting Holy Spirit is a decent way to go, since it has way higher potency than Shield Lob, but you better not get stuck on using it. One or two is usually enough. Then it usually doesn't mess your overall rotation too badly, it's quite easy for Paladin to get back into rhythym. One thing that I do, if my rotation gets messed up for whatever reason, is to hold my Divine Might Holy Spirit and Supplication/Sepulchre if my Fight or Flight is close to coming out of cooldown. Then I can get back into the rotation without losing much of anything. My way of handling my opener and rotation is to avoid getting Fast Blade and Riot Blade inside my Fight or Flight, since they have the two lowest potencies. This may not get the most optimal kill times, but I'm not a hardcore player. I have done extremes and savages, but so far I haven't cleared any ultimates.

[@mechaulfr9600]

I wish goring was an OGCD. That and the free cast from your combo, would be awesome to be OGCD.

[@freaknature1774]

Yeah should be ogcd like BoH

[@mechaulfr9600]

Im still casual (Dont even use potions @_@) so a lot of the opener walk was.... not quite beyond me but I skimmed. The design window for Pally seems to be that they want lowest DPR in the game on a non healer but with great survivability. Since nothing has really changed for tanks buff wise going off the previous FFlogs Id like to see it moved up to where Dark Knight is, and DRK moved just above warrior. Really id prefer DRk to be the strongest DPS tank, what with it missing an entire defensive, but Daddy Yoshi P seems to insist that GBR is top of the DPS. But at any rate doing less damage then Warrior is an embarrassment for DRK.

[@freaknature1774]

@@mechaulfr9600I’m not casual but I don’t use pots at all either, in hardcore raiding scenarios it’s necessary but not really in other content. Cleared ex1 30+ times never using a single potion, only food buffs

[@mechaulfr9600]

@freaknature1774 noice! With Endwalker I had intended to start doing higher end content, but I only started ff14 like 3 months before it came out so I was a little burnt out on new, and then ended up grinding for the Starbird. It took me like 3 months to get it to drop, and I'll never forget that run. I was half awake almost nothing but muscle memory and I almost just left without opening the chest. And there it was. I rolled a 99 on my need, ND it's been pretty much my exclusive minion for the last 2 years.

[@Drewbacca7789]

It used to be before mid EW changes right? Or am I trippin?

[@ThottyBiscotti]

I frickin love Paladin man

[@Bleachedentity]

Greetings milord I got my first ever 99 after following your guides for years praying for pld buffs in 7.05

[@mechaulfr9600]

@Bleachedentity .... yeah some buffs would be nice. It's not a critical need, but it would be nice if in general the tank dps was a little tighter. Like most ideally barely behind warrior with the 2 having a small gap between the OTs. No tank is bad really, but just a bit more dps for pally and a good chunk more for DRK would be perfect.

[@CojaGamez]

My favourite part about the new DT skills for paladin is definitely imperator. Being able to activate requiscat (or however its spelt) from a range is such a nice change

[@LunickTMM]

One issue i have with your opener is Riot Blade falling under the Flight or Flight buff. It's not a major issue, but it puts a move with 100 potency less than everything else in your buff window. It also pushes fof earlier in your rotation, meaning some gcds don't overlap. I understand the theory of "as many casts as possible" but i think that early is very wasteful and only self fulfilling for the PLD damage and not the damage of the group overall. I think this could theoretically be useful if you're pushing engage and need to squeeze out some extra bit of damage but they'll factor a lot into when exactly enrage is.

[@ViladelDJR]

I was going to make the same comment. You can use Goring Blade without breaking the 1-2-3 combo. I feel like you want to get Circle of Scorn and Expiacion on cooldown as quickly as possible, and then go into the Confiteor combo before you finish with Riot Blade and Royal Authority.

[@XenosysVex]

currently you want to fof immediately to see a final full burst. this will typically be the case more times than not.

[@LunickTMM]

@@XenosysVex But that's not entirely true though. Burst ends on X:27 for the party, and this early FoF means PLD burst ends at X:22. This means the only time you're truly getting extra activations is when the fight dies between that X:02 and X:22 mark, which only accounts for 1/3rd of the time line. If the fight ends anywhere outside of that timeline, that means you are missing a decent amount of party damage because you big burst hits are missing raid buffs. At least how I am personally grasping this, it's mostly kill time dependent. Again, could be very handy if a boss has a kill time of like 11:23 or something since you get a full FoF burst window out. It just feels weird to do that with the idea of missing out on 2 GCDs in burst window every 2 minutes.

[@leupoldxix993]

Mliege we await your Dark knight guide

[@mikeyparker961]

I love all the new job changes for PLD from this expansion. Makes me love PLD even more.

[@atwitchyferret]

Personally, to stop drifting I just make sure to do req into confedior directly after fof and goring blade. Keeping things together makes all the drift thoughts go away. Also, as long as you do the free damage buttons on cd, it doesn't matter where in the combo it is in, as long as it's in fof you get the damage boost. PLD has been a great turn your brain off rotation with no downside. Helps me learn fights.

[@StripedSooner]

Thank you, my liege 🙇‍♂️

[@thomasdiamond8343]

PLD was incredible to play during DT

[@FrEnZyfoX42079]

A few questions on the opener from me. 1. Is the pot usage 2 gcds earlier right on initial pull just because you can deal with an initial boss AoE so you can party mit early or more so just personal flavor and it "feels" better for you? 2. Using FoF/Imp 2 gcds earlier to account for the earlier pot usage as well as just guarantee the initial gcds in opener instead of the 2 gcds after sepulchre? Or is it again just a "feeling" thing?

[@XenosysVex]

the pot right after HS will ensure you get all your burst plus a full atonement combo

[@FrEnZyfoX42079]

@@XenosysVex fasho. Thanks for the answer big dawg.

[@wezzco_br8169]

thank you! very informative

[@Emblumm]

sorta a sprout question but what does it mean to “play a job at 2.5”?

[@cheezedogg6794]

he means 2.5 second GCD aka 0 skill speed build. since pld spells dont get skill speed

[@OldManInternet]

I've been holding off on leveling tank, because I wasn't sure if I wanted to do paladin or gunbreaker. I enjoy playing paladin more, but I was hoping they'd make the damage a little closer. But I think at this point I'll just play the one I like more, and hope it gets buffed up a bit in the 7.05 patch. And if not, I'll have time to level gunbreaker before 7.1.

[@WinterKnight735]

Can’t wait to see your reaction to Sufferhymns new video

[@Bulldog_FWMC]

Hi, haven't played in a while and decided to get back into it. One question (which I used to know the answer to but, now, forget), is when you say "I play PLD at 2.5," what does that mean exactly..? I remember that Skill Speed is optimal at certain numbers but how does "2.5" equate to a certain number of in-game Skill Speed? That is to say, how much SkS is "2.5"?

[@BlitzkriegOmega]

Rescast time, aka the time your GCDs are "rolling". Skill Speed shortens this time, but most jobs are built around the default 2.5s recast time and either aren't affected by Skill Speed (See MCH) or are actively harmed by it (see GNB).

[@demetriuswilliams4271]

Rip Drk is last

[@ShikiRyougi05]

fitting for its current state

[@matthewmellott1856]

All I’ve been waiting for lol

[@demetriuswilliams4271]

@@ShikiRyougi05one day us DRK mains will learn our lesson lol

[@chavalee]

Thank you!

[@samwilkinson9309]

I've been cycling lowest to highest potencies setting gup for a burst but the entering burst 1 atonement in is actually kinda big, might have to try atonement, into fastblade, riotblade if nearing if nearing burst and if I don't quite get to riotblade or something I'm set to do the last 2 atonement combo actions and a HS in burst whish seems nice

[@peterchapman3177]

You can also do sepulchre, royal, holy instead of 2 holys in the odd min burst

[@Bupkiss]

Paladin is the goat and my favorite job in 14 by miles

[@Lunar_Yojimbo]

🤔 thank you for info I was little worry regarding dps rank PLD low and is my main 😅 🍻

[@Heheyena]

Damn, pld lookin good, dat flow tho

[@polarbear8606]

The burst rotation is quite “flexible” in regards to what you do at the end. You can two Holy Spirits, one Holy Spririt and a sword action, or whatever. The potencies are all pretty close so messing up on lining things up for the burst window is pretty forgiving.

[@adrian-iw7gm]

With all the downtime on normal raid, I believe PLD will shine again

[@Farzeezy]

Personally i prefer to pot on 1 or 2 and fof after 3 if it doesnt mean id lose an activation later. I rather do the full atonement combo in fof now that potency is higher

[@youngimperialistmkii]

Pld is my new main in DT.

[@KadukuTena]

one thing about the filler GCDs at the end of your burst is double holy spirit isnt best anymore ever, its better to spend that holy spirit before the burst window and use sepulchre > royal authority > holy spirit instead basically your filler priority now is Sepulchre > Holy Spirit > Supplication > Atonement/Royal Authority It doesnt matter too much because its a difference of literally 10 potency inside FoF but a gain is a gain in my mind

[@XenosysVex]

Yea, thx! ill add it it the sheet.

[@PabloParres]

Sorry I’m new to the game, what does 2.5 mean? Thanks

[@jcjohnson274]

2.5 gcd. Gcd means global cooldown the time it takes for you to use a skill again so 2.5 means 2.5 seconds before you can use another skill.

[@ShikiRyougi05]

@@jcjohnson274 yup but dont worry about it. This is literally only important for high end raid content.

[@Fulbergt]

"2.5" refers to the gcd ( Global Cooldown )

[@Ohdyntv7]

Intervene is missing in the rotation idk if intentional or does not matter

[@XenosysVex]

thank you! updated.

[@daniellmarsden1797]

Balancing the cooldowns of all the tank invulnerabilities needs to be done. There's no excuse anymore. For Savage and Ultimate content they all do functionally the same thing with minor differences. They should have similar cooldowns.

[@monsters181]

Genuine question whats a good meld combination for paladin?

[@XenosysVex]

I avoid all sks. currently DH is best stat but eventually that will prob shift to crit

[@monsters181]

@@XenosysVex hmm so Crit Det and DH then?

[@sancticial]

​​@@monsters181dh/det for now and then crit + dh/det after a few patches

[@dkcsi9256]

So what’s wrong with hallowed ground? Why is it unfortunate that its unchanged? Is it a “*too* much better than the other invulns” situation?

[@pac16]

takes forever for it to come back

[@dkcsi9256]

​@@pac16 That can't be it, right? I've never noticed a time where I've *needed* it and it's on cooldown. In m1s it comes off in time for raining cats after using it to skip a tank swap. It comes off enough for 2-3 uses in dungeons. And hell, its the best invuln so it might as well have the longest cooldown. I've since then heard complaints about its *delay* to activate, But I can't bring myself to believe its the cooldown that's a big issue without further explanation lol.

[@pac16]

@dkcsi9256 it's because m1 is just boss specific. The big take away is paladin just can't pop invulnerable more often compared to the other tank. Back in earlier savage tier fight such as eden there times where all tank beside paladin can pop invulnerable 2 or even 3 time where paladin is just can take 1 due to its incredible long cooldown. The rest idc, dungeons are braindead easy.

[@dkcsi9256]

@@pac16 I don't think the cooldown time is an issue tbh. So what if the tanks aren't identical? Paladin gets the most effective invuln that takes the longest to come off cooldown. It's not like you *need* it and its unavailable. It's a trade off. If anything about it is "unfortunately untouched", its the delay before it makes you invulnerable.

[@swordxart1443]

Wat do u mean DRK is last

[@DrowsyBean]

Save the absolute worst for last

[@ShikiRyougi05]

@@DrowsyBean i was so excited for drk this expansion...look at my dumbass basically only playing rpr lmao. I miss plunge, i miss my MP, Disesteem is lame and the new combo is cool but doesnt add anything gameplay wise.

[@TenebrisGladius]

@@ShikiRyougi05 I was really hyped after seeing the delirium combo - now i'm playing PLD instead of DRK, after 3 years being a main DRK.

[@ShikiRyougi05]

@@TenebrisGladius yup...i was on copium until now but i'm leveling PLD to 100 rn.

[@raydearie9805]

whats wrong with hallowed? no dmg for 10seconds im not seeing the issue except a lower recast

[@dmj9798]

That's the problem. There's a lot of fights where Paladin gets one usage of it. The downsides to the other invulnerabilities (taking damage with Warrior and Dark Knight (with Dark Knight potentially dying if it goes wrong for X reason) and going to 1 with Gunbreaker) aren't nearly as severe as not having a potential second usage.

[@DerioTheArtist]

DRK is last because for the past few days he’s been busy trying to pull it out the grave

[@landonperry9371]

Paladin is my absolute favorite character in the whole game, really hoping they get a small dmg buff on savage patch :(

[@skell_]

page 5

[@Direwolf13PS3]

Paladin did indeed not get buffed.

[@nodot17]

I like guardian

[@kneegrowontharun]

Do a healer opener.

[@MiaCulpa24]

xdx dark knight video next

[@DasSuperWaffle]

Haven't played pally since the changes a while ago. Do you not spam holy spirit under req until one stack then use confiteor anymore? It looks like you use all stacks on confiteor only, or I'm a silly Billy?

[@phiefer3]

Not since the rework in mid-EW. The potencies of the blade spells are now dependent on using req stacks (they also reduced req from 5 stacks down to 4). So you only use holy spirit during req before level 90, after 90 you just cast sword during req.

[@DasSuperWaffle]

@@phiefer3 My GOAT.

[@darkviper1875]

im still disappointed that the new and final blades of honor replaces imperator instead of the actual combo

[@ShikiRyougi05]

But why? That would just extend the Burst for no reason, without doing more damage.

[@blazewardog]

​@@ShikiRyougi05 I think he just means button wise. It would play nicer if it swapped with confetti like the rest of the blades vs replacing imperator.

[@ShikiRyougi05]

@@blazewardog ohhh yeah ofc i misread.

[@jingliestpockets]

SEP-ul-ker

[@nodot17]

Sep- ul- chair

[@SPB___]

Sep - ul - ker

[@TenebrisGladius]

....Leaving Dark Knight to end the series....cruel, as cruel as the fucking dev team itself.

[@SkyChady]

SE should change the animation and graphics of PLD skills. They look boring as they are now IMO.

[@JenovaGirzz]

HUH

[@RM-eh3uq]

fppong sepultchur

[@matthewmellott1856]

DRK dammit lol

[@JeremiahSysloAirSyslo]

My liege... if my request may strike thy ear loudly. Fix Dark Knight. Restore it to the glory that we crave. Want not of a shield, but have a large slab of metal to swing at thy enemies. My bald liege, your insight will forever grace us.

[@barty1995]

I do wish PLD had gotten more changes from EW (the only actual change in the rotation is an extra oGCD in our burst) but it's otherwise in a pretty solid spot. Now if they'd just take the gauge cost off cover... I swear every time I might see a use for it I can't cast it.

[@carlobertolini7833]

Poster boy of previous expansion, + got a rework. Room for others now, thx.

[@fightingblind]

I never understand what Xeno has against Hallowed Ground... It's literally the best tank invuln in the game...

[@amethonys2798]

Because it has a 7 minute cd and is beyond awkward to use? Having to warp the group around you isn't enjoyable when every other tank combination is fine. On both P10 and P11 you got shafted for having a 7 minute invuln by forcing more tank swaps as you couldn't have invuln for Harrowing on 10 if you used it earlier and on 11 you also didn't have it for the 2nd Dike. Meanwhile literally every other tank could do both. Bolide is objectively better than HG especially since like 80% of groups have WHM to just bene to remove the "downside".

[@RHEDXLE4DER]

First!

[@hovsep56]

having not using magic circle be better then using it when the skill is DESIGNED to give you stacks for casting is the dumbest design decision i have seen. just get rid of magic circle all togheter at this point and just keep holy circle. the ff14 balance team showing they never even play the classes they balance.

[@bigquazz3955]

Listening to people optimize tanks in this game are funny. You may as well try to spreadsheet the summoner rotation too while you're at it.

[@alexanderwilliams799]

PLD still sucks lmao. Sure its hard to kill PLD, but it's really boring and barely feels different than lvl 90.