How Good is the New Update? Helldivers 2 Patch Review 01.000.300

How Good is the New Update? Helldivers 2 Patch Review 01.000.300
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[@gabeperras3711]

The 5 people who use exploding crossbow must be extremely confused about their nerf

[@d3knot]

Fr, I've never queued with anyone using it and it got nerfed. 💀

[@mikey9504]

I was so happy when i realized its just great for crowds and then i wake up to that nerf 😢

[@MrBluedove12]

As one of those few who rolled the crossbow. Yea it was a surprise…

[@heimheim3584]

Yeah, as one of the five, it was its only saving grace. Being able to lock down term spawns was amazing.

[@ruhenot6682]

If it had the ability to destroy factories and holes (which it really should have) i would love it as a weapon. But nah, they nerf an already bad weapon..

[@temperturkey]

Team reload should be an option no matter who holds the backpack, whether the shooter or loader

[@temperturkey]

Also you can't call down hellbombs on Spore Spewers

[@muchhorrorsuchwow]

​@@temperturkeyspore spewers are weak af even after the buff to them. I'll take no hellbomb on them.

[@K-tw4wb]

Should definitely be a hellbomb option now, sometimes I want to run turrets or something

[@erikmccormick9331]

The team reload thing probably would require an entirely new animation. Animations take a long time to create.

[@mkultra_86]

If it was an option nobody would do it. There's a reason they put these mechanics in the game, because if you want that power, then you need to have somebody reload for you. It's not that big of a deal. And most of those things don't even really take that long to reload, you just have to time it and not try to do it in the middle of a breach.

[@regularbeaneater]

It's weird. Every time they add stuff or make changes, it makes the game feel less finished. I'm taking a break until at least DOT is fixed.

[@muhdamzar6465]

I took a break after the first month of the game release, with this update and all the other stuff seem fun and good, will be back grinding and spreading democracy

[@justanotheropossumchannel5304]

Im taking a break until they figure out where they want things to generally be. Which i just cant firgure out how they cant land this. The last game barely had any noticeable changes between patches and its a great place to spring board from. All they had to do was say "hey, whats the spawn rate of X enemy, what weapons affect X enemy, how many mags does X weapon have, etc" But its like a whole new team that just forgot theres a whole first game out there.

[@itsraventm]

I'm in the same boat. I've never left a game because I didn't like updates but Helldivers updates feel so jank that I cannot stick around until I can actually play without the worry of it feeling entirely different next week.

[@ChairmanLevi]

@@justanotheropossumchannel5304except like 90% of the OG stuff felt straight useless above difficulty 8. And basically had must picks on 15.

[@khimaros]

@@ChairmanLevi exactly, I was running Eruptor Flamethrower laz backpack and tearing up everything from Suicide upwards. They gimped my whole build, half the ammo for eruptor, urgh.

[@BrianAldison]

They making too many drastic changes to keep that Day 1 struggle feel. This is what’s gonna destroy the game, because there’s never gonna be a sense of true progression. What’s the point of me grinding war bonds and getting new stratagems if they’re just gonna be nerfed heavy next week. This is the equivalent to getting a pay raise at work, but ur landlord then raises the rent by double.

[@AsterTDs]

They buffed the erupter and multiple other warbond items??

[@BrianAldison]

@@AsterTDs but then railgun gets nerfed to shreds, and quasar becomes a 15 second liability. Imagine playing SOLO with INCREASED MOBS, and you have to wait another 15 seconds cuz you hit the wrong part of a charger (while there’s 3 other chargers coming at you). Also why would I buy into a warbond, if I’m not getting the product I’m expecting? If the community loves a gun… say goodbye. You basically get a paid 1 week trial of having a slight power advantage before you are back at square 1 after grinding multiple warbonds. Imagine that for ppl not spending money on the game. 100’s of hours just to be stuck in the same spot as week 1.

[@redpilldredd9907]

So true bro. No point in buying the warbonds anymore. Fuvk'em.

[@majinkevinci]

Well tbf people still play league of legends and it's a game that every time a champ is releasead there's 90% it's stupid broken just to be nerfed the very next weekly patch. And the game has been going on for more than a decade.

[@BrianAldison]

@@majinkevinci the thing is, league is a PvP game. Balancing changes are NEEDED because it’s a competitive platform. Can’t have any notable advantages during professional tournaments otherwise it becomes hard to compete. Helldivers is a PvE game. The bugs and the bots aren’t complaining about balancing. Instead they keep coming with increased drop ship numbers and breaches. Yet, we’re subject to nerfs just cuz “increased struggle = fun”. If I wanted a struggle PvE game, I’d play Elden Ring.

[@jjprs3062]

They balance this game like it's a pvp game.

[@redcenturion88]

It's PVD - Player vs Developer. I mean that too. The devs have fallen into a toxic cycle of trying to defeat its playerbase. I don't play DND but it's how I would imagine a spiteful dungeon master.

[@UmbraWeiss]

You don't see shit like this even in a PVP game... they do drastic changes, in a PVP game they do very minimal changes, so they don't f up the entire thing, and make minimal changes in the next update if needed... here they slap 50% - to this and that like it's nothing, or change things that makes the game play entirely different...

[@_Indi9o_]

​@@redcenturion88 "toxic cycle of trying to defeat its playerbase" wow what a take lmao

[@redcenturion88]

@@_Indi9o_ I'm right. They're trolls.

[@BaneOfXistence4]

​@@redcenturion88I love how you mentioned the spiteful DM syndrome. I mentioned this on Reddit a few days back. It's one thing to tune up your monsters so they don't get rolled by the players, but making it impossible because the DM feels he needs to "win" against them? That's a shitty DM.

[@Thesavagesouls]

Having more patrol is not fun. The meat of the game is attacking outpost/nest without triggering a massive dropship/infestation. Not being stopped every few minutes by a new patrol spawning from nowhere.

[@jackplisken4738]

few minutes ??? you mean seconds

[@wolfsaints]

It didn’t effect full squads

[@EarlCorgi]

It’s gotten ridiculous honestly. The patrol changes have just made it unfun.

[@KsnypsAdventures]

I absolutely agree good sir. What’s the point of doing POIs and side objectives when there’s enemies literally EVERYWHERE?! What’s that? A bug breach? You want to run and break line of sight between the enemies? Well unlucky for you cause wherever you run, there are three patrols of hunters, seven chargers, two bile titans and a stalker nest. Fun shit I tell ya!

[@jackplisken4738]

@@wolfsaints oh it did ,, and hell it did

[@thisguy7078]

Bullet reflection should work both ways. Any bot shooting us carrying a shield or wearing heavy armor, those bullets should reflect back. That’s actually just fair.

[@trevordrakenor2063]

The spray and pray was originally intended to shoot directly at helldiver that is surrounded by bugs. The bullet would bounce off the armor of player while killing the swarms. For whatever reason, they decided then our armor should not deflect bullets. Hence the change to increased armor penetration. An indication they will never want bullet deflection on heavy armor for helldiver.

[@thedoomslayer5863]

​@@trevordrakenor2063realism when it works against us but not when it works for us. I'm beginning to really dislike these devs

[@NozoBox]

Wait a sec that might make ballistic shield kinda crazy for bots.

[@Shmat49]

@@thedoomslayer5863 Crybaby mentality

[@shpilot172]

The developers are doing an outstanding job at accelerating my apathy for this game.

[@MrJohannson]

Oh no, my one-size-fits-all-make-everything-else-obsolete gun is not as powerful as it used to be, the game sucks now!

[@jooot_6850]

@@MrJohannson BACK IN MY DAY, BAIT WASN'T OBVIOUS git gud scrub lmao

[@MrJohannson]

@@jooot_6850 what are you even trying to say?

[@ItsASickSadWorld]

@@MrJohannson bait used to be believable

[@MrJohannson]

@@ItsASickSadWorld How am I baiting?

[@vynnski]

Completely agree on the Quazar, people used it because it was reliable and effective, while the alternative options weren't and still aren't great options. Players don't want to just run the same exact loadout all the time, we want to mix things up and have good reasons for running different loadouts, so it'd be far better to buff the other options.

[@glitch-ify]

weren't and still aren't*

[@yusriyahbagheri8843]

This game needs teammates to help you reload when YOU hold the pack.

[@BoneheadPlays]

Facts, team reloading is too niche to be a mechanic to legitimately balance around

[@SPACE_BOOOOOST]

It's hilarious to me that part of the community is celebrating others having a bad time and leaving the game due of the constant nerfs. Like brother, your beloved game is falling off because of this, matchmaking will get worse, the studio makes less money, updates will come less often, etc. If you start gatekeeping an online game, it'll eventually just die.

[@CheeseDanish85]

It makes sense to care this much about "balanced weapons" in an MMORPG or a competitive shooter. But this is a 1-4 player co-op game. I really don't care if one guy can clear helldives solo, good for him. Not everyone has the time, patience, or friends, to deal with group play. And that's ok.

[@gvido2923]

steam rankings say it all lol this game is going down no breakes :D

[@ArionEquus]

Were you born with an innate ability to see the big picture? Cause it's a pretty rare talent.

[@CheeseDanish85]

@@ArionEquus Basic statistics is now a rare talent?

[@fin9365]

People weren’t just sheep-ing when they use the quasar, that feels a bit reductive and rude. We used it because with the current state of armored bug spam, there’s no time to kneel in the middle of a fight to reload a recoilless. It was a semi on demand anti armor weapon that we could hot swap to in order to be able to move around and shoot the rest of the fodder after taking a shot. They nerfed it because everyone was using it and didn’t look any deeper at WHY. It was a perfectly balanced weapon.

[@roymain36]

people were absolutely sheeping when they picked the quasar for bots, it's just not great there yet it was the most seen support weapon. Against bugs it was a good pick but still overrepresented, though probably because it was simple and easy to use compared to other support weapons

[@DrauulGaming]

When you aim the Quasar, you are standing there almost completely still for 3 seconds to charge. The recoilless takes 5 seconds to reload. We are not the same.

[@snarky5341]

@@roymain36 The more needlessly complicated a weapon is the more of a liability it will be.

[@rhetro777]

Everyone needs to turn off data collection in settings so they won't know wtf we're using.

[@demonluck999]

I see why people use the ant tank rocket and the quasar in game now to deal with the dam run bug like bio can be deal with but then big ass big that run for you can fk up your run if 3 of them on you like per nerf the quasar was deal with that kinder bs but now that 15 sec wait time just kill it use of people make it hard to deal with them

[@slabella9413]

punsihing progress is not a positive direction- fix the crashing, fix the cheap ganks. Make more things useful

[@N00BSYBORG]

Really feels like they either don't want us to have fun or straight up don't know what they're doing. Like, cool, the marksman rifles are finally decent but we're still keeping the Slugger in the trash because we don't want it being the better marksman rifle even though marksman rifles are better now. The buffs are appreciated but didn't do much to make bad weapons that much better on helldives. While the nerfs to the "OP" weapons only made them more of an inconvenience to use if anything.

[@SovietUnion_]

They caught the lighting in the bottle, and now they have no idea what to do with it

[@MrSolidsnake293]

​@@SovietUnion_they keep opening the lid that's why... If you let the lightning out it was pointless to catch it in there in the first place, they need to harness it without opening the lid. Aka they need to stop buffing enemy's while also nerfing things. it just seems like a lot of work and walking over work they already completed previously

[@SovietUnion_]

@MrSolidsnake293 the sad thing is that there is a chunk of zombified community that thinks that all of such changes are great, difficulty should be increased, you should be forced to play with things you don't like. And they are generally the loudest, so arrowhead will always listen to them instead. Toward dark times we are headed

[@black_ghost1215]

@@MrSolidsnake293 the devs themselves play level 3,4, and 6 so they have no clue of anything in higher diff they didn't even know about modifiers that lower how many stragems you can have. they people scream the loudest don't even play on higher diff than 5 saying the game to easy for them.

[@thedoomslayer5863]

​@@black_ghost1215I wonder why some people don't think "hmm before I say how easy the game is why don't I shut up since I only play at most level 6 dives" But no they go on to cry about other players having criticisms of the game that play helldive regularly. Mindless NPCS IRL. when are we getting a patch from God that makes em unable to speak lol

[@bigbyrd7755]

Just let me reload recoiless bro (and all the others) from his own backpack. I like the required teamplay idea but trying to coordinate cute matching outfits with randos is impossible.

[@slayzet4293]

I once tried to reload someone's AC and it was only after i got myself extra ac backpack so user can use it while being alone and i can help reload when needed. It kinda sucks because 1) i have to wait for him to drop me backpack as im running amr, 2) i exit reload stance without a reason so i have to get close to him and find right spot to re enter it. Once it worked out, destruction it brought was great as two of us basically held off entire drop from geo survey objective. If i could reload off of his then i would bring supply pack and help. It would make more sense to bring one and help your mate. At the current state either we swap backpacks or rely on 2 backpack to be somewhat useable.

[@jooot_6850]

Yeah it really doesn't make sense from an ergonomics perspective either. You'd have to twist your wrist and put it in such a compromised position to grab these big full-sized cannon shells, instead of having it on THEIR back where it is also conveniently right next to the butt of the recoilless rifle's loading portion

[@Boamere]

IMO this patch was a loss. The buffs we got were so minor they don't really matter (Other than to the senator and Dilligence CS) wheras the nerfs were pretty huge (and they crapped on the crossbow which was already mid)

[@earthtaurus5515]

That crossbow both makes zero sense... why give it such crappy bullet arc if you want to make it a single target weapon. Pre-nerf, it was a decent range / hoard clear weapon... I found that out when a bug kept setting the crossbow as my primary at login when I had the eruptor selected last game.

[@25xxfrostxx]

They need to change assisted reload to have the helper remove ammunition from the shooter's pack to load the weapon to the one with the recoilless carries their own pack instead of splitting the weapon and ammo between two people. As it is now, the recoilless will never measure up to the rest when you have to have a designated powder monkey. Quasar got nerfed because it was used regularly by players playing solo. It's just like when they got mad that people were able to solo Helldive after launch. They looked at gear picks and said "Oh, they're soloing with breaker, railgun and shield backpack, nerf them all". If you play this game solo, arrowhead unironically hate you.

[@highrulerdiamond6717]

It always never made sense to me how it would be more efficient to have someone else wear the ammo bag, just the idea of lifting out those heavy ass shells with your arm twisted backwards is so much more ineffective than just taking shells out of the bag from someone else since you already have to stand at their shoulder to reload them

[@Legendary_Honey]

This would make me use it all the time.

[@carlnielsen1458]

This. Its not even overpowered, its just self sufficient loadouts to deal with everything. If there are even 2 players i liked eats more bc you could either both take them and have plenty or have more airstrikes.. when solo you get limited to the thing that kills the biggest repeatedly bc you can't just wait for cooldowns

[@johnthetactician5139]

Powder monkey? The loader has a very important job while team loading, making sure that the launcher isn't caught by surprise. This is a team game, stick with your team and you will succeed more often than not. Plus, it's more efficient having the loader carry the RR pack anyway while the launcher carries the supply pack The launcher can fill up the RR ammo easily this way.

[@Ironed-Silver]

It was obvious from the beginning with the Bunkers hard requiring a teammate. Helldivers 1 did not hard force you into coop. These devs are clueless and definitely hate solo players

[@ondrejmalek1322]

the nerf to damage of guard dog rover seems to me like a buff, since i use it mostly to kill the fodder enemies who die nearly instantly anyways, but if it hits you or a teammate you can survive it more easily

[@Evan-mt7bc]

It's a massive nerf. Pre nerf if a Hunter leaped at you the Rover would kill it mid air if it wasn't focused on anything else. Post nerf that Hunter is getting a hit off on you, makes it nearly useless for keeping Hunters off you, you can especially feel it in Hunter planets where it doesn't feel like it's doing anything where pre nerf it effectively kept 90% of Hunter's off of you with good movement. The Guard Dog Gun is infinitely superior at killing Hunters at the moment but it's bugged/poorly designed right now because it only reloads off of resupplies and not ammo drops. In solo and duos when you can guarantee that Resupply on cooldown for yourself it's a fantastic backpack but if you can't guarantee that then it's nigh useless.

[@cynicist8114]

But according to the patch notes, it's the guard dog that got nerfed, not the rover.

[@user-bm7mo2ck6r]

Careful don’t say that too much or they’re gonna nerf it again. Can’t have anything nice in our pve game

[@caliburxzero]

Was just about to say this ​@@user-bm7mo2ck6r

[@DrauulGaming]

Interesting take and I think I might actually agree with it

[@itsraventm]

They update the weapons like how microsoft updates their products: instead of making them more enticing, they just crush the competition until you're forced to use what they want you to use.

[@TheEggroll4321]

They buffed like 20 things, try it out

[@huevote9474]

@@TheEggroll4321Ah yes, they buffed the liberator by 5 damage thanks AH. The only meaningful buffs is senator and CS that’s it. Stop glazing arrowhead with the double sloppy

[@papagroovy9909]

@@huevote9474I mean have you tried the liberator? It’s actually pretty damm good now you’d be surprised how much of a difference 5 damage made

[@huevote9474]

@@papagroovy9909 I like the feel of the liberator but it is horrendous in lvl 9, runs out of ammo way to fast, also the 5 damage buff literally does nothing, no noticeable difference at all, maybe brood commanders die in one less bullet? Yay?

[@BlackTempleGaurdian]

Dagger doesn't feel like a laser pointer any more. It went from "is this dealing damage" to "this feels a bit weak"

[@Planterobeets]

1:40 Keep the Croissant Cannon as it was, and just let any teammate help you reload by taking the ammo from your backpack instead of them having to carry the ammo backpack for a specific support weapon. That alone will balance anti-tank support weapons

[@jooot_6850]

Yeah being able to load from the gunner's backpack would be big. I understand the intention of the devs though. They wanted to have a specific gunner and loader, which is closer to real life examples. Most crew served guns are too heavy for 1 man to carry himself, with some weapons actually being broken down between up to 3! soldiers to carry it. Something like an Autocannon would weigh at _least_ 50lbs given its chunky construction, and 60 rounds of ~20mm rifle rounds would also be a pretty hefty load for even just one guy to carry

[@Bombsuitsandkilts]

I think the salute before dropping is a clever way to allow people to back out if they hit ready on accident.

[@cahill22]

Played a bug nest mission on level 7 today and the spawn rate of stalkers was insane. Literally couldn't get near the stalker lair without 2 to 4 stalkers jumping you and with their invisibility being buffed I just gave up and left the game 😑

[@SuperhotdogZz]

And somehow at difficult 8, i still get teammates would run off to do whatever when they get their ass tongue by the stalkers without dealing with the nest. It just me shouting to the void with “Stalker, let’s get their nest!!”.

[@cahill22]

@@SuperhotdogZz That's annoying but at least stalkers used to come at you one at a time before. Now they're jumping you as a team which gives you zero chance.

[@jooot_6850]

Increase Stalker spawnrates by 100% to balance this. Also remove the Railgun and Arc Thrower from the game Increase headshot damage by 3,000%

[@cahill22]

@@jooot_6850 XD I'm sure that patch is in the works.

[@Emperor-oh7nb]

Seem to me like skill issue

[@pancakeanati2590]

They should at least make the quasar cannon cooldown icon accurate so we have a better estimate on when you can use it again.

[@slayzet4293]

They forgot to scale it to 15s as its still on 10s timer... i can live with 5s nerf as lomg as i can see when i can use it again. Atm either count it in the head or guess. Oh i guessed wrong i guess ill keep running... so bad

[@glitch-ify]

How to shoot your own foot - A $10 course by AH that will have half of its notes removed to make the test more fun for the teacher.

[@tweedydragon4986]

New profile picture just dropped?!?!

[@Legendary_Honey]

I was real confused for a minute

[@user-do3cg8ns4m]

“Dropped”. The grown manchild changes his pic into something with pedo vibes and everyones hyped?! Tf is wrong with you. Hes a grown ass man and hes got the goofiest 🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡

[@rinnoX1]

@@user-do3cg8ns4m ???? explain cause you sound like a mental asylum patient

[@OhDough]

Seek help, please

[@Eric-kt9lz]

​@@OhDough perchance

[@Citizen13]

Team assisted reloading for THIS game is not ideal. You can’t always run beside your gunner to reload him when shit hits the fan, this is not Helldivers 1 where it’s as easy because the shared screen is forcing you to stay together. Plus the reload your team mate animation gets jank.

[@carlnielsen1458]

I mean if you ever try it with the recoiless, you'll realize how strong it is.. the fire rate is something else considered its rockets.. but yeah unrealistic to expect other player to give up their backpacks especially randos.. I like the idea of someone team reloading you using the back pack your carrying

[@dyroth]

This comparison is great, because the first helldivers is a much more teamwork oriented game. Me and my friends had to draw out plans and roles before going into missions to even survive. This game is all about running on your own, kiting enemies, and running away because enemies are so fast our outswarm you so quick. Nothing in this game incentivizes teamplay, yet they still want us to help reload each other :/

[@robadams12]

Spot on :)

[@johnthetactician5139]

RR DPS is significantly better than quasar, and teammates and switch the roles midmissiom by switching the launcher and packs if desired. Yeah, you can't necessarily expect pubs to want to be team players. If they are team players though, those are the ones you'll want to send a friend request to

[@ezkiller93]

Considering how powerful a weapons team recoilless is, it SHOULDN'T be easy to always link up. You need good communication and tactics to make the most out of it. And that is okay. It shouldn't be dumbed down because some people are too daft to coordinate which way to kite or when to disengage and when to link up again. It's part of the fun.

[@TheLaughingDead]

Stop talking about the autocannon or it will be nerfed!

[@mrROAR104]

gun is too good at everything

[@Harvest133]

at this point, it should be so that people can stop coping that the devs know how to balance.

[@The1stApothecary]

it already was indirectly with walkers getting explosive resistance

[@hunter-tm2kl]

@@The1stApothecary does it not oneshot anymore?

[@JP-jq7ob]

the first rule of autocannon club is not to talk about the autocannon

[@FongBot]

I think AH's unspoken stance on how to promote using other weapons is to nerf the weapons people are using and it just doesn't work. We've shown that the carrot works better than the stick time and time again. They make AT weapons better against heavies? More AT options open up. They nerf Queso Cannon? People still use it but just complain more. I'm tired of hearing the "only buffing is bad balancing" argument. At the end of the day it's a PvE game and all the guns should be fun. I can't see a single use case for 90% of the guns and I WANT to like them all.

[@ArionEquus]

"All the guns should be fun" seems to be a very novel concept to AH. But so very directly condenses what the majority of us seem to want, but aren't exactly getting.

[@MrSierra116]

What is the point of making POIs, outpost/nest when patrols keep spawning on you every minute if not second, what is the point of PATROL when enemies are everywhere, at that point do you even need a patrol ? just turn this game into a horde shooter like L4D if you really want to punish solo players that much

[@caliburxzero]

The developers show once again they hate anybody using something thats good. Whoever does balance has room temperature IQ and/or is a massive troll. This is the first ever PVD game (player versus developer)

[@lima8tango80]

So... No one's gonna talk about the Stalker buffs?

[@icata12345]

its not a buff, their invisibility didn't work at all, not it does

[@LordLeif1220]

In regards to your closing statement, I agree 100%. Group think kills the fun of experimentation. Recently, I've been using the Orbital Gatling Barrage, and I actually really like. It like many things can be hard to aim, and could use some slight tweaks with the aim such as actually aiming at targets even slightly. Back to your point, I like when we all have a free stratagem to use like when we got the 110mm eagle strikes. I never run them but I used them enough to have fun while it was "issued" to us.

[@moroblizniak4457]

I dont understand the patrol stuff. If i go alone, i need to take down more enemies than full squad now? Why? Doesnt make any sense?

[@coajokazz]

Ive read somewhere that it was like that: solo should have 1/4 of patrols but actually was 1/6. Now it is 1/4, so basically you have to kill the same amount solo as in a team. Dont know if that is true tho.

[@InvaderTroy]

@@coajokazz that is correct, solo players are coping hard right now but all that happened is the devs brought them up to the same level team play was at. Every solo player pre-patch had at least one comment asking why their patrols were so minimal. now we know why and all those same solo players are crying about it.

[@xendakakorva3267]

@@InvaderTroy I tend to run solo aswell and I very much felt the effect on 4, and even before the patch at 7 I still struggled with patrols appearing due to close proximity to bases and objective zones, did I complain? yes, was the struggle worth it? ALSO YES.

[@coajokazz]

@@InvaderTroy i played a few rounds solo today on 9 and wasnt impressed. Still pretty easy against bots. Havent tested bugs yet, but that could be pain in the arse

[@timtheenchanter340]

If they made it so you could reload the Recoiless Riffle while you were running, there would be no need to nerf the Quasar. Boom, solved it.

[@CheeseDanish85]

Or even just letting others reload you from your own backpack. RR can reload in stages, you don't need the full 5 seconds standing still.

[@Guangtian2077]

I'm pretty certain at this point their balancing goal is to make primaries not feel good to use, something something rely on your stratagems.

[@jooot_6850]

Reduce the Railgun's damage by 50%. Make it explode instantly upon firing outside of Unsafe Mode. Increase Hunter spawn rates by 10,000%

[@lukeludwig1055]

@@jooot_6850 Increase charger and bile titan spawns by 1000% just to make it a little spicey. Nothing a few Helldivers couldn't handle, amiright.

[@dathoodieguy7121]

What I got from the video is that there’s still nerfing all the good weapons and not letting anyone have fun with the weapons with the releasing

[@sultryjmac]

Correct

[@jonathantrenholme10]

feeling's about patch: total shit, enough said.

[@jeromearenas8028]

Couldn't agree more 💯

[@TheReaperHunter]

The fact people are still taking the Q-Cannon over the alternatives despite how not great it feels now still says how painfully bad the alternatives are. Needing to carry ammo packs literally removes the ability to use Guard Dogs, Shields, and Jump Packs. Those SUPER useful backpacks will always outway a launcher that needs it's ammo carried and only kills Chargers, Titans, Hulks, etc. maybe 40% of the time.

[@robbytherob]

The only time I would not use the quassar cannon is when the cooldown between each shot is more than 35 seconds. Even at 34 seconds per shot, it still outclasses the EAT which only shoots 2 shots every 70 seconds. That’s not even including the call in time to be fair. I can give the quassar cannon to a buddy after the call in cooldown, which also frees up a strategem. That’s a free orbital laser we can drop on 3 heavy bases/objectives.

[@earthtaurus5515]

@@robbytherob That works if you're playing with friends not randos who loot your support weapons after death and when you call in a strat lol...

[@spaghettivevo9759]

Team loading should be changed so that your teammate doesn't need to wear the backpack. They should just be able to reload off the pack that you're wearing. Not even in a 4 player premade lobby would I want to sacrifice my backpack slot so my friend gets a slightly faster reload time. Also I think it'd be cool if airburst had a mode where you hold down fire and it'll keep traveling and once you let go of the trigger it'll detonate.

[@michaelbowman6684]

This patch further solidifies my belief that there is at least one developer who is purposefully sabotaging the game in minor ways because they enjoy the sense of power it gives them over the playerbase. Most weapons receive fairly minor adjustments, but there is always one or two weapons that just get completely curb stomped for some reason. Why did they take away _half_ the ammo of the Eruptor? In my eyes, that is an excessive over-correction that only serves to make people stop using the weapon altogether, it's not _balancing_ in the slightest. You don't just remove everything from one side of the scale all at once, you make minor adjustments until the scales are equal.

[@Kizaru3314]

I actually like the salute before launch thing, because it gives you just enough time to realize you made some kind of mistake with your loadout and unready yourself.

[@NguyenThe1017]

The first game did have individual resupply call ins, but you had to select it as one of the four stratagems you bring. You might think that sucks but consider this. It had a really fast cooldown when upgraded (plus you could have a perk that gives you a flat 40% cooldown decrease). You didn’t have to bring it depending on your loadout (you have an energy weapon, no support weapon and etc). Only one person could run it and it would mostly be fine for the whole team. There’s no stims and grenades were whatever in the first game so all you had to worry about was ammo

[@arczer2519]

both have 3min CD base (in HD1 required perk for 40% reduction, HD2 has passive upgrade giving 10% reduction) and give 4 packs in HD2 if you even fell like you need more, you can always take Supply pack and just use it as extra resupply + it doubles resupply effectiveness if you pickup resupply while having empty slot in Supply Pack, through it doesn't work if you're using support weapon that has ammo backpack

[@NguyenThe1017]

@@arczer2519 you're right about the cooldown. I don't really use it myself so I just assumed upgrading reduced it

[@bejibx]

8:57 - resupply was just a regular stratagem in first game, so everyone was able to bring it on a mission. Even multiple ones. At the same time, when joining someone you were not able to see their loadouts. Pretty often you join team of 3 players, not bringing resupply because you assume some of them have one and immediately realize - no, they don't have it =D

[@chastion3689]

I went quasar because it let me deal with chargers every few seconds. I can still run from the horde and shoot when it's back up, no need to lock myself in a long ass reload animation which isn't happening vs terminids, and I'm not screwed if i need more than 2 shots every 80 second. Even lets you get a rover or a shield. It was simply more versatile, still is i'd argue.

[@norbertscheibenreif8336]

I got to say something about the guard dogs : The liberator rifle got a slight buff - 5dmg. Which means that the dog makes - slightly more damage. Now the scythe did get whoping 50 dmg increase, so the dog would be almost better than all Helldivers, and could kill all 4 Helldivers in few seconds, so it got nerfed by 30 percent, resulting in guard dog performing roughly the same as before, kills small stuff fast, but maybe it won't kill helldiver *that* fast

[@carlnielsen1458]

Despite them having those exact weapons, I don't think they were ever linked to the damage values of the weapons. Im 90% sure the rover did more damage than the scythe ever did

[@LaserTractor]

50 per second or 5 per bullet God, give people lessons in MATH!!!! Scythe is trash even after buff. Only good in sweaty hands of a tryhard who always score headshots on bot front. 50 to 300 is 16,7%. Not 30%.

[@25xxfrostxx]

Yep. That's why the ballistic guard dog got a "slight buff". It's because they bumped the liberator and it effects both. They just didn't want the laser obliterating enemies and helldivers alike.

[@ashero2092]

The problem with this 5 dmg buff is that it's a spreadsheet dmg. The damage operates in breakpoints per enemy. If target has 150 HP, increasing damage from 55 to 60 did literal nothing, you will need 3 shots to kill it anyway. And all other enemies with larger health pools usually have medium+ armor, which Lib can't penetrate. So far I'm under the impression this is a pure placebo change and not even a buff.

[@arczer2519]

@@ashero2092 well breakpoints aren't set in stone as you don't always deal listed damage, raising damage makes weapon more reliable at clearing thresholds (most notable on Diligence and Diligence CS) First is damage drop off from range (depends on weapon, for example DCS could one tap Devastator head before patch up to ~17m, now it can at all practical ranges) Second is damage reduction from matching armor 50% (when armor is matching penetration, light pen weapon against light armor.) Third is damage reduction from deflections 50% (hits at high angle when penetration is one level above armor, AMR and AC against Devastator Bodies) Fourth Body part damage multipliers

[@Bombsuitsandkilts]

Can I just say you've been crushing it with the rate you've been getting videos out Dough. Very much enjoying it.

[@invaderIRK1]

Quasar didn't need a nerf, the recoilless needed a buff to make it a more viable option compared to the quasar

[@Nazwabezcyfer]

You can cancel recoiless reload early by about 2 seconds.

[@BackwardsPancake]

Yeah, this seems to have been a stealth change. More precisely, it used to be that the reload had 4 steps, where you would get a "checkpoint" after each one and could resume from there if interrupted: - Unlock and rotate away the blast cone - Remove shell - Insert shell - Rotate the blast cone back and lock it Now, it only has the middle two: Removing the spent shell and inserting the new one. So the weapon is considered loaded as soon as the new shell is fully seated, and you can animation cancel the part where you rotate and lock the blast cone. (But if you get interrupted before removing the old shell, you now also have to open the blast cone again even if you did it previously)

[@BuIzeeb0]

Yep. That plus the fix to Superior Packing Methodology makes it much stronger this patch. We'll see if people actually switch from Quasar to RR, personally I expect a decent amount to stay with the Quasar but who knows.

[@robbytherob]

Why switch when I can also bring a guard rover that fires infinite ammo non stop?

[@BuIzeeb0]

@@robbytherob Because you want to be an anti tank specialist instead of being a generalist? That's the trade off for not having a backpack, the RR fires 3-4 x faster than the Quasar now. A RR user can kill a BT and a charger before a Quasar is finished charging their second shot.

[@Zelisius]

Talking about the recoiless and such... The team reload should not require the team mate to carry your luggage. 99.9% of random players will never give up their backpack slot for your convenience. Team reload should work while you are carrying your own stuff. That one, simple change would make recoiless an enticing pick

[@slayzet4293]

I wouldnt mind helping fellow diver reload their rr faster and keep running as it would benefit us both. However i would never give up on rover, jump pack, supply pack for whatever build im going for as it would ruin the build just to help anither diver to reload faster? Trade off is too disadvantagous for benefit it brings.

[@BalgaBear]

Why is Challenging (difficulty 4) such a huge jump in difficulty now...and oh lord when I tried to solo a difficulty 5... 3 chargers standing next to each other

[@thisdude9363]

Considering this patch made the game unplayably laggy and stuttery for people with a WIDE range of hardware, including high-end PCs, I think that's a far bigger issue than whether or not someone's favorite gun got a nerf.

[@YureiOni]

I think that’s one of the biggest issues I run into when playing with randoms. Theres that one player running around solo dropping supply drops for themselves without consulting with the squad like they don’t exist.

[@josephsaint2652]

Man, nothing like unlocking the quesadilla Cannon and the gard dog rover only to have them nerfed the morning after ;~; The only truly good thing in the Democratic Detonation warbond now is the grenade pistol (Eruptor is ok still, but good luck trying to clear the zillion hunters pressing W at you) And before people say "adJudICaTOr is GrEAt bRO", AR-23 Liberator > BR-14 Adjudicator.

[@dyroth]

Adjudicator is the most ass fun ever even after patch, idk how ppl say it’s good lol

[@dudeiii2069]

Recoilless needs a 4 second reload and the quasar changes need to just go.

[@BuIzeeb0]

The RR does have a 4~ second reload, the fix to its ammo discard bug appears to have made its 3rd stage unnecessary now and if you cancel the animation by tapping the crouch button to stand up you can fire right away. Whether this is intentional or not is unclear.

[@nittocsx]

Recoilless is way worse than quasar: Limited ammo, 5 business days to reload and needs backpack. Those weapons are not equal. The recoilless SHOULD be able to reload while moving and should do much more damage than quasar, otherwise nobody will use It. Nerfing the quasar is bullsht decision.

[@BuIzeeb0]

@@nittocsx Says you. I was using it before the patch and it's even better now. It fires 3-4 x faster than the Quasar and with Superior Packing Methodology its ammo economy is very nice.

[@ivanfranebijelic7009]

Dough, the Recoiless got a massive reload speed buff with the ammo bug fix, now you can tap your strategem button or weapon swap to cancel the reload as soon as your character puts in the new shell, you can cut the reload by like a second and a half, so you got a roughly 4 second reload that can be separated in two stages

[@Greycobalt]

I just started really enjoying the crowd clear capabilities of the Explosive Crossbow, now it can barely kill a scavenger it lands directly next to :(

[@shawnk300]

The crossbow needs hard hitting explosive damage on delay and stick to med armor targets.

[@tomyorke3412]

Even when running with four people it feels like there are away, away more patrols and bug beaches. I know they said it did not effect 4 player games but it sure does feel like it does.

[@redpilldredd9907]

There's definitely a glitch in the coding. Because I've been getting F'ed hard with my team of 3. Wayyy more patrols on 7 than ever before

[@JimmieReese01]

1:24 you are absolutely right 5 seconds makes absolutely no sense. I use this weapon from time to time and I just don’t understand why they did this to the Quasar Cannon?

[@nickkyg]

Yappologist/10 Def agree on railgun, better, but needs more. Quazar feels terrible, but anything with infinite ammo/recharge will always be more usable than something that 1.)Requires sending a request form back to HQ and waiting 3-5 business days in order to reload, or 2.) asks one of your 4 squad mates to basically hamstring themselves by holding your pocket the entire game.

[@abominablesound2769]

new spawn patrol rates are horrible. i play with duos and it becomes annoying almost immediately, cant get a moments respite all match. charger spam is also back.

[@carlnielsen1458]

8:42 the dagger is on the final page of cutting edge so its not really a building block weapon. I also dont agree that ALL of these weapons are meant to be replace by better versions, particularly the counter snipe.

[@tybirous3417]

Yeah, that's something that annoys me a lot about these discussions. It's /okay/ for some weapons to be bad, there's doing to be disappointments, not everything will be a winner. I've been running the DCS for months, up until the funny blitzer buff (which I used before as well), it was my favorite primary. Yes, I took it on helldive and did fine, but it's extremely C Tier. Folks scream and rant about their favorite weapons getting the slightest nerf, or how "hurr weapon bad" like it won't be fun to use at the end of the day. Suddenly everyone becomes a expert game designer and scream at the team without taking the slightest consideration that this is maybe a fifty man team with a lot on their plate, and if something is stinky they can just change it. It's toxic how this community does "discourse".

[@justyouraveragem4a136]

Yeah the point that weapons are meant to replace each other in a stat hierarchy was hella dumb, they wouldn’t have buffed the Liberator for instance if you were supposed to replace it with the Defender or Sickle, which they did I honestly don’t know if this guy knows how the developers actually want the balancing to be at times

[@carlnielsen1458]

@@justyouraveragem4a136 well to be fair to OhDough, they haven't done a good job keeping early warband weapons relevant and adding more and more will make that task harder and harder.. take lib pen.. why would I ever take it over adjudicator if I have both? Its just simply worse.. maybe they could have tweaked the lib pen instead of adding a second med pen full auto small mag rifle but now they have 2 that are identical roles with one just being better

[@justyouraveragem4a136]

@@carlnielsen1458 yeah Libby Pen is in some desperate need of a buff, especially since it now had 15 less damage than the normal Liberator and a whopping 20 less than the Concussive

[@josephhein9497]

@@carlnielsen1458 The LP should perform like the Adjudicator, for sure. That's how I imagined its performance before I unlocked it. Now, it's entirely unusable and pointless.

[@bejibx]

Mobility is in core of this game. On highest difficulty levels if you standing still during the battle you are probably gonna die. Team reload kinda makes both of you that stationary target. Also you constantly have to be right near each other, otherwise weapon cannot be reloaded even by user. I really support idea to change this mechanic so it can be done even if backpack is on gun user. Yeah, this mechanic comes from first game, but it was significant difference which makes it more viable - everyone share one screen. Also in first game you goes into crawl state before you die and your teammates are able to basically instantly heal you back by just running to you and pressing one button. This also makes it more reliable to use team reload because it's easier to get to your foots and continue shooting in cases when some of you get down. And even with all this I rarely saw anybody use it. So no wonder almost nobody is using it now.

[@joshua7529]

8:58 So the Resupply stratagem in the first game was one that was not shared between the entire team, which meant that someone had to bring it along with them in their stratagem loadout. Sometimes, two people had to bring the Resupply stratagem to keep pace with the later difficulties. Also, keep in mind that in the first game, everyone shared the same overhead camera, so you couldn't just run off and do things on your own when playing in a squad while keeping the Resupply to yourself. It also only restored ammo, and the first game did not have Stims, and healing was done through other methods like having a drone or picking up your teammates when they went below 50% health.

[@Error-mn4el]

I wish that there was a weapon for the bug front that is similar in function to the autocannon on bot front, it blows my mind that apparently the autocannon is the gold standard for balance and its good against literally every single enemy on the bot front but weapons that are only good against certain bugs and are rather meh on bots get nerfed, why

[@Raionhardt]

these devs are clowns, they're going to kill their own game just nerfing popular weapons constantly

[@TheCosmicAstro-]

game is already at a quarter of the playerbase starting from beginning of march to now.

[@redcenturion88]

​@TheCosmicAstro- I think the devs were actually counting on that. Fewer players means less of a headache for them.

[@TheCosmicAstro-]

@@redcenturion88 which is a dogshit business plan alongside is shit for the players who do actually enjoy/want to enjoy their game.. kinda wack if that was actually something they counted on.

[@redcenturion88]

@@TheCosmicAstro- it makes sense, though, if you think about the fortune they've already made. It's also expensive for them to maintain a certain server capacity. And with fewer players, there's less pressure on them in general. They wanted to be known for being souls-like horde shooter. So they're going to make it unbearable for the casuals until they have a select playerbase that won't give them such a hard time about their decisions. "A game for everyone is a game for no one" is their motto

[@JimmieReese01]

Keep up the great work we need you buddy.

[@Villainous_WaWa]

Did i misread the patrol changes or something?? Because More patrols on sub 4-player squads makes zero sense?? And a +50% more patrols spawned on solo is absolutely insane!!??! surely it should be the opposite??? edit: Patrols were wayy overtuned for solo play so this update is just rectifying that However I still agree with the below paragraph I love these devs but they have no idea how to change player behaviour. If you want people to do something make it more fun/effective instead of making the fun stuff worse... Just like the quasar cannon vs recoilless you buff recoilless dont nerf quasar (well maybe nerf it a little... an infinite antitank that doesnt take up a backpack and reloads passively is kinda op) Or idk let people team reload without the backpack because its really really silly. nobody uses it purely because of this. useless feature without it honestly...

[@electprism2136]

The way the patrols used to work is that solo players would have 1/6th the spawns of 4 man squads, which then scaled non linearly. This was apparently unintended, so they've increased the spawns of solo players to 1/4 of a full squad, which now scales linearly.

[@Villainous_WaWa]

@@electprism2136 Ohhh ok. now that sounds way less ridiculous lmao

[@thrackerzod6097]

@@Villainous_WaWa It doesn't, it was fine before this update. Intended does not mean good. Now you often find yourself very easily overwhelmed. You can easily end up running into 4+ patrols at a time leading to you getting overwhelmed. It doesn't help that patrols can spawn very close behind you, it's not fun running away from a massive wave you cannot clear only to run into a bunch of hunters and a charger behind you. I'd be fine with this if patrols at least could not spawn close to the player and could only spawn in a large radius around them.

[@SnakeHoundMachine]

I like the quasar because I can wear my shield pack. I work full time and have a family, i maybe play 3 or 4 hours of GAMES per week max. I dont have time to git gud and have no interest in doing so.

[@rhetro777]

The devs don't seem to want the game to appeal to normal people with lives and responsibilities, even though that was a major part of their success. They want a small player base of hardcore basement dwelling sweaties chanting, "Skill issue".

[@madman1111112]

the resupply in hd1 was a stratigem tho so you'd be out a slot. and they brought the mag capacity for the energy weapons to match 1 for the players making that change id reckon, i'd like to be able to double and triple up on some call ins instead

[@ferdithetank7535]

6:06 that would make sense... if unlock progression wasn't so borked to begin with. They give you most of the good stuff right at the begining, with important armors and boosters being at the middle of free warbond, than they flood you with side or even straight downgrades of base guns and only at the very end you get the "OP" thing. This weird power curve along with ubiquity of armor types makes it confusing to practise different builds, which is probably why "meta" is such a big concern.

[@nittocsx]

Honestly I cant understand the last updates. The weapon usage and damage has no sense. They nerf good weapons and players DO NOT have real builds variations. Almost all players are using the Quasar Cannon, because there are not real alternatives to fight against strong/armored enemies. Autocannon is pretty good but you need to use the ammo backpack and it isnt the best option against aircrafts, chargers, titans, etc... Devs are improvising different bullsht in the last patches, as a early access would do.

[@IchiEyes]

Love the cycle of releasing a warbond or stratagems with maybe 2 things worth using, then they get nerfed cause the playerbase obviously gravitates to them over the rest of the slop. Arrowhead is starting to really show their spite towards their community

[@void.society]

They honestly need to make it so you can get reloaded by a team mate off your own back.

[@Sir_Meowss_A_Lot]

good review, hope the developer takes notes.

[@KEKW-lc4xi]

in the past 6 or so dives on difficulty 7 we have not gotten ANY super samples and the random team I played with this last dive no one even extracted alive. I'm not sure what the deal is but for some reason it is much harder. roving Guard dog (the laser one) is dog shit now.

[@Ralph6555]

6:52 Hot Take: the Adjudicator does not need to exist at all. it's a waste of space. if they wanted to make a viable medium armor assault weapon just buff the Penetrator. It literally makes no sense for it exist

[@Betoni]

I was watching your armor testing video, the heavy armor you chose with the explosive resistance. Ive had people telling me that specific armor you tried in the video is bugged and it doesnt have explosive protection even while claiming to have it.

[@andremariaribeirodacunha3695]

I was one of those people who always ran quasar in bugs. But, unlike the autocannon, which feels fun as hell to use, the Quasar is one of, if not the most boring weapon in the game: you have to sit there, with sight on target for a few seconds, then you have to wait for cooldown... For me, it's the least fun weapon in the game, and if nerfing it means that in upcoming patches other anti-tanks will be buffed, so be it, and good riddance! However, I really cant be too sure other A-Ts will be buffed, given the somewhat erratic patching criteria of the dev team...

[@DS-uf4qw]

Yup, they are nerfing weapons based on spreadsheets and not based on actual gameplay. Nah, I don't get the Quasar nerf, dumb decision.

[@-Bill.]

The solo patrols thing is a prick move for people who have social anxiety and don't want to play with randos and the toxicity. Unless you're a professional streamer or KZbinr it was already hard to get super samples. There should be a system to trade 5 rare samples for a super sample.

[@sultryjmac]

Yeah, the solo pat things was just hateful and spiteful. But, I mean, they hate us right?

[@papagroovy9909]

Solo players are supposed to get 1/4 of the patrols of a full squad whereas before the patch they were getting 1/6 all they did was fix the ratio to what it was supposed to be.

[@adrianspinu4653]

@@papagroovy9909 this is on paper, but if you play the game they just keep spawning non stop, it's not 50% more like 200%.

[@ashtengreen2727]

I think a good buff to backpack weapons would be allowing your teammates to help you when YOU wear the backpack. Not them. Also allow me to stim teammates when they are missing 1/3- of their health, not 95%.

[@juce18]

I wish they would change the reticle on the adjudicator as well, only have the center portion of the reticle illuminated. Or change it to a chevron or circular style reticle that draws your eye more to the center of the optic.

[@zero11010]

the scythe, the dagger, and the peacemaker are all totally usable now. scythe does a decent job of melting through things. A second or two of damage and most things are done. the dagger is about the same. it's more skill based than most other things because you have to keep the beam on target, plus manage heat. This SHOULD allow for skill based play via weapon swapping to eliminate cooldowns. It feels like the dagger builds heat too fast, but I may not have tried it on enough planets. peacemaker is taking out littles and the smaller mediums in very few shots. It got like a 20% buff in damage or something. It's up to 70 damage per shot. For a secondary this is putting in work. 140 damage from two shots takes out most smaller things.

[@613Nightmare]

devs are hellbend on making the game and the weapons as little fun as possible, so many random and stupid changes half of the time based solely on popularity because they cant stand too many people using the same loadout ... maybe if they brought more weapons to fun and good levels instead of making 90% of the options feel miserable to use people would try different stuff

[@shrimpin4145]

thats exactly what they are doing though. Most people that are upset by this balance patch seem to totally ignore the buffs on the list and just focus on shit like uh.... The Eruptor being nearly identical to what it was before. You want more weapons on fun and good levels? Just this update the blitz shotgun, revolver and the plasma punisher got a strong and fun buff. Hell, even the adjudicator feels pretty good now. And your point about making weapons as little fun as possible is actual nonsense too, all the nerfs were non-consequential besides the crossbow one.

[@613Nightmare]

@@shrimpin4145 just because there are multiple ''buffs'' listed that basically dont do anything doesnt mean they are making other weapons any good, giving a few points of damage to a sniper thats 1/4 of the power of the better weapons is a joke and most of the buffs are like that basically there so you can say there were also buffs none of the changes made any new weapon good, fun or viable at any stage of the game ... the weapons from the basic warbond need huge buffs they are simply that bad ... blitz shotgun is nice but not everyone has it and because of the weird textures its just so awkward and not fun to use, revolver is nice quality of life, punisher is fine ... giving the explosive sniper a 50% ammo nerf and a dmg/aoe nerf right after people spent money on that stuff is basically a scam, nerfing the crossbow which was already terrible and needed a buff is just absolute insanity and just tells you how clueless the devs are and that they are just throwing out changes at random without understanding anything about balance ... and then there are nerfs like the spore spewers that feel like their choices come straight out of a random generator

[@shrimpin4145]

@@613Nightmare i dont know what to tell you man, the update made three weapons actually viable, and i would argue 4 cause one of the sniper rifles got an damage buff that lets it finally one shot devestators. The nerfed weapons except the crossbow feel still as good as ever. If you dont find these weapons viable now maybe you should take a step back and see if youre playing the game wrong. The shroom cloud change also makes sense to me, because before that you could barely call it a side objective and was way way easier than any other objective in the game. If people like you had the control over the balance of the game any challenge would be gone.

[@heidedgar]

​@@shrimpin4145I agree with some of your points some of the buffed weapons actually became good like, Railgun, Blitzer, Punisher Plasma, and the Senator. The other buffs were decent(Laser Cannon was good before this patch, and the nerf to the crossbow was just stupid. Still need to test the Peacemaker, both diligence and counter sniper. Scythe is still a disappointment 😞

[@613Nightmare]

@@shrimpin4145 yeah lets agree to disagree cause just as you think my opinion which so many other people share is bad so do I think that making the game ''hard'' just for the sake of it being hard which is the current approach is dumb... and also helldivers is not a hard game to play its just annyoing and unfun with these constant changes ... also challenging and unfun dont have to go hand in hand which you seem to have a hard time to comprehend so yeah if people like me had control over the changes maybe it would finally be a nice challenge and fun to play too

[@xRagingxDemonx]

The Erupter doesn't hit walkers anymore after this change. Well it doesn't 1 shot them when hitting near the top of their shield. Or when hitting where the walker legs connect. It's weird.

[@crypticerr0r664]

Hey OhDough, I appreciate the information you provide, and I appreciate the time you put into your videos. However, I feel I need point out a flaw in your Quasar Cannon cooldown timer at the start of the video - these times displayed are labeled incorrectly. Your times labeled as cooldown are including the cooldown *and* charge time combined instead of just the cooldown. The cooldown between charges was 10 seconds pre-patch, 15 seconds post-patch. To verify, you can replicate this by starting your timer the moment the quasar fires until it is ready to fire again. (Ex: First test: 03.02s for initial charge, 10.00s for recharge, 03.03s for second charge.- Amounts to the 16.05s you arrived at.) Other than that, I appreciate your content, and I look forward to your next video! *(Edit:)* Yes, I do agree that the 5s penalty was a bit too much, I could understand maybe 2-3s, but an extra 5s (50%) on the clock can make a hairy situation spiral downhill quickly.

[@gibbers2]

I'm confused at your stance that the "basic warbond" should be the basic guns, while the premium warbonds should have the "good guns." Sure, you can get super credits playing the game, but it's still a huge step towards making the game pay2win.

[@OhDough]

Unlocking a warbond doesn't instantly or even quickly unlock weapons. You can get 1k super credits in less than 2 hours of playtime by farming it and less than 10 hours by just playing the game regular and doing poi's

[@FireInNight27]

​​@@OhDough no you cant. Stop spreading misinformation. You dont get 1k in 2 hrs or 10hrs, no shot

[@FireInNight27]

​@@OhDough most people dont play like you. People have fun, f around and play for objective. The medium time to farm 1k is not 10 hrs

[@bouncybubble]

@@FireInNight27took me around 30 total hours to get 1k

[@gibbers2]

​@@OhDough A few counterpoints on this, so apologies I'm a bit long winded here. First, as @FireInNight27 said, most people absolutely do not get supers that fast (I know I don't!). I put 250 hours into the game and if I didn't get the deluxe version to get Steeled Veterans Warbond that way, I would not be able to unlock the last warbond. Second, let's say you're right and supers don't take that long and I just suck at finding them, wouldn't your logic apply to medals as well since we find them in POI too? If you can get 1k super credits in 2 hours of playtime by farming it (I assume level 1 poi resetting, which I don't works anymore), then you can use the same method to get about 200 medals. I won't fill out a warbond, but it will get you at least the first tier or two of weapons. Third, let's say you're right on 1 and I'm wrong on 2... wouldn't that make the premium warbond primary weapons easier to get in general, since you need far less medals to get the page 3 primary on them over the page 10 non-premium primary? Shouldn't the Scythe be the "best primary" since it's the hardest to get via page 10? Fourth, taking that logic a bit further, wouldn't that mean that the lower level stratagems should be worse than the higher level ones? Nerf the Anti-Materiel Rifle because it unlocks faster than the Heavy Machine Gun? Make the Eagle Airstrike worse than the 110MM Rockets because you get them at a lower level? Not apples to apples sure, but I hope you at least get where I'm going with this.

[@zero11010]

You asked a question. It's a common question from gamers. I made video games professionally for over a decade, and I think I can provide some insight. Here's the basic situation. There are four things with different attributes. One of those things ends up being much preferable by players due to how it works. That one thing is being used 80+% by the top tier players. Those players CAN use the other three things. But, that one item performs better enough that it's the item of preference. Why not buff the other three things to be as good as the one outlier? Were people succeeding on levels too easily, just enough, or did the levels seem too hard? This is a really important question to ask. My group of level 100+ helldivers do max difficulty missions and get all sub objectives and clear all lairs and we do 40 minute missions in 15-20 minutes. We're not only completing EVERY mission, if a 40 mission takes more than 20 minutes on the highest difficulty it feels sloppy. Sounds to me like the game is too easy. None of us are exactly pro gamers (I made games professionally, but I'm certainly not a pro gamer). Is the game possible with the other less optimal equipment? Yes, yes it is. It's harder than with the one favorite item. But, it's possible. Is it acceptable to make the game harder? Well, I think we just recognized that the game is too easy with the optimal equipment, and the game is possible with the less optimal equipment. So, do we take the power level of the less optimal equipment and raise those up so they meet that optimal item ... or do we diminish the optimal item? Well, if you want the game to be harder, you diminish the optimal item. What's your rate of missions attempted to missions completed? How often do you totally fail a mission (when you're not experimenting with something or trying something weird out)? It's pretty rare, right? So, the game isn't too hard ... unless you get a batch of horrible randoms from quickplay ...... Making equipment more powerful makes the game easier. That begins to trivialize the game. TADA! That's the basic reasoning behind why the original railgun got nerfed and why the quasar got nerfed. If that nerf goes too far or not far enough ... that's a whole different story. But, if you take a step back and think about the situation ... the reasoning behind why these guys do what they do becomes pretty clear. It's definitely true that nerfs are a feel bad moment. But, sometimes they're needed for the overall health of the game.

[@Harvest133]

I can save you a whole paragraph. They do the exact same thing the Dead By Daylight devs do: Balance by spreadsheet. I promise you, they aren't thinking very hard about any of it. They just see something is very popular, so it gets the hammer. That's it. That's the extent of their reasoning.

[@FireInNight27]

Honestly, the game isnt this easy. We usually play a 2 or 3 man squads and get clapped by automatons at difficulty 7. Cause of random patrol spawning behind or drop ships being called by bots outside of our range. Idk how yall think this game is too easy. I think it is just right. I dont want to sweat to death to update a single ship module

[@zero11010]

@@Harvest133 Sounds like you've never had a conversation with a game designer.

[@Harvest133]

@@zero11010 Sounds to me like you've never used logical extrapolation based upon demonstrated evidence and actions. Game devs do not have a monopoly on problem solving, game design, or fun.

[@constantinebratanata]

Thank you for this. I feel like a lot of people within this community (including this channel and the commenter above me) and the gaming community more generally don't always understand the realities of what they're asking for or appreciate the thought that does go into the decisions behind a change. For example, the "only buff" sentiment is just absolute nonsense if one actually thinks about it. Sure developers make mistakes but just because you're salty about another developer doesn't mean this one behaves the same. Who's more likely to think about a game more thoroughly, the guy who plays the game for fun a few hours maybe every night or the person whose job it is to work on the game every working hour most days of the week and whose livelihood depends on the health of the game. What's going to likely create more mistakes, changing one overtuned weapon, or changing every weapon that's underpeforming by comparison. Most if not all these changes need to be worked on by a lot of different people. You want to multiply that workload over an order of magnitude more weapons every patch? That sounds pretty unsustainable especially when you consider how frequent the updates already are for this game. I've never played a live-service that felt this alive. If they started doing this, they'd have to start charging more to pay for more staff or start worsening the game through neglect or in other ways to compensate. I feel like it's rare to hear this channel ever talk positively about anything that might make things harder for a player. The only thing I can think of is in this video about buffing the small bot striders. It certainly feels like he and many others don't appreciate the work that goes on behind the scenes and frankly it's pretty insulting to hear someone say even as someone not in game development that the extent to which all developers look at when weapon balancing is just popularity. It honestly seems like they're projecting with how many out of touch comments I've read from these people. Like get over yourself, dude. 😂

[@Velaroz]

I wish the Liberator Penetrator had gotten a damage buff, like the other Liberators. It feels forgotten.

[@Coach_Brian]

Man, I love your channel and your presentation. Thank you. I really hope they change the spawn rates of patrols, because I hate it. Im a solo playet and now i just feel like im playing a hoarde shooter now. I miss what the game was.

[@nnnickkk]

Why the heck is Arrowhead nerfing on a PvE?!?

[@DanteX3M]

The patch notes for Helldivers be like: no fun allowed. Guns look ok to use? - Nerf it! Guns is almost horrible? - Nerf it!

[@metrolgel1453]

hey dough, the recoiless rifle reload is now significantly shorter since they attempted to fix the extra ammo consumption bug but now you dont have to wait for the animation to finish. As soon as you put the shell in the gun the reload is completed and can be interrupted.This reload can also be split into two: take shell out and put shell in. Not saying this is what they intended but I now find this bug makes RR much more versatile

[@Darthseedi]

theres not enough mediumm armor pen primaries, but i agree with so much of the stuff you said. the revolver triangle is ridiculous haha i thought i was the only one annoyed about that

[@StainlessPot6]

I noticed today while playing that you no longer have to sit through the entire recoiless reload animation. The moment you stick the new shell in you can cancel the reload and it will be ready to shoot, shaving a good second or so off the reload.

[@waldamy]

13:30 in regards to the salute. I think it's more for the players like me, who right at the moment when they press Ready realize that they have forgotten something. That way you can press it one more time and equip the thing you actually want. Just like going from bug mission to bug mission and forgetting to change from Incendiary Breaker.

[@NekoHime720]

recoilless rifle reload is brutal but it now seems that you can actually animation cancel the last part of the reload. Watch the hud during the 2nd part of the reload, you can see the shot reload right after you chamber the rocket so you dont actually need to finish the closing part of the animation for the reload to go thru. Doesn't really do a whole lot for it but hey its something I guess (till they patch that out too lol)

[@Lunaspecter69420]

for the beam weapons why not decrease the damage tick rate?(numbers used for examples only) ie: 200dmg/2.5 sec to 200 dmg/1.5sec

[@victorwaterfall1457]

15:28 Bro, so true. Right after the nerf i tried using quasar against bugs (which is still an amazing option after testing it against EAT) and immediately got kicked out of the mission with comments on my loadout.