How Good Was Mewtwo in Smash? - Ranked Super Smash Bros.

[@StanleySophana]

Honest: Mewtwo is the first character to return after being cut. Dr. Mario: 😕

[@MrGameguyC]

The Doc disrespect is too common.

[@ZachHonest]

Its because Dr. Mario is just Mario with a Doctor's coat on, he sux. Nah jk I should've mentioned Doc too, my b.

[@SonicTheCutehog]

The worst version of Mewtwo is the Brawl version because he wasn't there

[@oOTheMastaOo240]

How id balance Mewtwo in Ultimate: Better grab and dash grab range (his grabs are extremely short and he goes for alot of grabs) Give upsmash a better scoop ( would make it more consistent to combo with and would be better out of shield) Make his tail hurtbox smaller ( would prevent him from getting cheesed by moves that shouldn't hit and would increase his disjointed range) People saying to buff his weight need to realize Mewtwo is supposed to be a glass canon. Make his strengths stronger to make up for his weight

[@armandomorfin3845]

I've always been against the notion that you can't make M2 more offensive like it's blasphemy to even suggest it and that it's already perfectly okay as is, that only limits the ways in which you can buff the character and close minded

[@oOTheMastaOo240]

@@armandomorfin3845 some of the most offensive characters are light. Im not sure what you mean

[@armandomorfin3845]

@@oOTheMastaOo240Read it again my guy lol I'm agreeing with you, basically I like what you're suggesting is what I'm saying haha

[@armandomorfin3845]

@@oOTheMastaOo240 I hear a lot of people's opinions on the matter and many sadly share the sentiment that M2 is already strong enough

[@oOTheMastaOo240]

@@armandomorfin3845 gotcha

[@Mr__Jack]

Mewtwo was perfect in Smash 4. He should’ve never been touched for Ultimate.

[@CorbinLeonard-rp4et]

No it was not it was bad when he first come out it wasn't good

[@Amoro22]

Idk too much about smash 4 but didn't everyone hated his airdodge spam? I feel like he could be fixed with some buffs in ultimate, but the devs just didn't

[@armandomorfin3845]

@@CorbinLeonard-rp4et I think they were referring to post patch Sm4sh M2 not pre patch since they're mentioning the transition to Ultimate

[@armandomorfin3845]

@@Amoro22 As much as I wanna be biased even I have to bite the bullet and say the complaints must've been warranted to a degree just how much exactly idk because I don't remember or wasn't fully there when they happened

[@kicksyo2171]

I played a little bit of Mewtwo in Ultimate and I really grew to love the character. I wish I had the chance to play him in Smash4. Great video, Zach!

[@armandomorfin3845]

I mained Sm4sh and Ultimate M2, I recognize what players find unfun so I propose a middle ground of giving the character flexibility like returning side b's (Confusion) mobility and/or neutral air's bigger hitboxes from Sm4sh to help alleviate the sub par disadvantage by giving more landing mix ups As for the tail hurtbox, it comes down to having to change animations to reduce the janky interactions that get clipped, if possible move it into the Z axis but keep the hurtbox as to not create an absurdly braindead disjointed sword tail when using the moves that utilize it

[@saxeladude]

I like the idea with the z axis thing it the tail hit box can't be abused to advantage mewtwo or the foe that way only concern is for competitive players now have to consider how much into the z axis every move goes

[@sham_noway]

M2 is definitely on the rise in Ult fortunately,, with players like Anbil constantly pushing what the character can do definitely an underrated character

[@yungmuney5903]

Kinda disappointed on how Mewtwo is included in this series, given that melee is a 2001 game, there's not much to really to take after, resulting in his moveset being pretty dull, especially after playing pokken. Maybe if melee had a couple more months he could also make for a sick ass boss character akin to Sf3 Third Strike's Gill, and the unlocking method is to defeat him with every other character prior rather than that disaster of a method we got. 😂

[@sperryyoungerjr.3985]

The other unlock method for Melee Mewtwo is to do 700 Versus matches, and anytime I try to unlock him, I just do that method instead.

[@mandalorianhunter1]

Mewtwo is mostly great Imo he is still good in Ultimate but under utilized. Also today is my birthday

[@thatonegirlyouprobablyhate]

Happy birthday 🎁

[@mandalorianhunter1]

@@thatonegirlyouprobablyhate thank you

[@ZachHonest]

Happy Birthday!

[@mandalorianhunter1]

@@ZachHonest thank you

[@nesswednesday2976]

Ayy! Happy birthday!

[@Flash33c]

Regarding Mewtwo's Melee unlock method you can actually reduce it to single digit hours if you have 4 human players in a match as more human players=less hours required. That aside Mewtwo has always been a favorite of mine. While I'm not particularly the biggest fan of glass cannons I think Mewtwo strikes that nice balance of being fun but also not too frustrating to play. That said I do think making him a lightweight is a mistake, and I think making him be a middleweight would be a nice and fair balance between durable and powerful but not overwhelming and immortal. Hopefully more people will be able to do well with him in Ultimate tourneys in the future but we'll see how it goes.

[@gast321]

Imagine if Mewtwo was in the Subspace emissary story

[@PrinceOfMadness]

9:11 , not true. Dr. Mario holds that title for being cut and then being brought back

[@sallywilson8800]

Smash 4 Mewtwo was my fav high tier to watch. He feels strangely incomplete in Ultimate

[@mohammadalhusaini810]

Ultimate mewtwo is so tragic because he is kit is VERY GOOD its just that damned tail and light weight, same thing applies for sephiroth honestly they would be very good characters without the weight holding them back

[@TheGameMan76]

I had to take a break from smash as a whole due too characters like Steve and Rob while I play little mac and dk but watching your content continues to make me come back. Your content has done this to me a few times and at this point I think your my favorite smash content creator.

[@smashmonkey6304]

8:36 This isn’t correct as the Fighter Ballot came out after Mewtwo was added as a DLC character.

[@ZachHonest]

Good correction, I assumed Mewtwo was high on the ballot. You right the ballot was 2015, Mewtwo was out in 2014. I still think he was highly requested even before the ballot, everyone was wondering if he would ever return. But you right, he was before the ballot.

[@smashmonkey6304]

@@ZachHonest You're totally right that he was a popular request. I saw him talked about all the time back in the day.

[@Bokobb_Edits]

This channel is lowkey underrated

[@1weyrandom]

Just a note, disable was rlly good since smash 4

[@Telcontar86]

Melee Mewtwo's dsmash has IASA frames that make it much safer than people seem to think. It's total active frames is 59, but you can interrupt it on frame 38. Trimming 21 frames from the ending of a move is a pretty big deal lol You can see the Mewtwo player take advantage of the IASA frames @4:47 or so. Also Mewtwo's "chaingrabs" in melee aren't true with DI, but the throw combos on fast fallers are

[@BuddyHolly94-e4j]

the best content you can find in todays youtube is here and its made by a amazing content croeator thats honest another 10/10 vid.

[@rafaelcarmona4647]

mewtwo should have stayed as a top tier, I need to have another top tier pokemon besides pika (he is still amazing in ultimate, but at most he will rise to mid tier but still)

[@TheCrankyTechnician]

Best legendary ever

[@pepeelghetto1231]

This man is very honest, love It 💪

[@saxeladude]

21:40 kind of sounds like kirby and meta knight design wise good at many things but can't hold advantage and predictable in disadvantage also has no air ground preference

[@toonatic220]

I've said it before and il say it again mewtwo should be a heavy

[@evbevbeats]

Tf illinois gotta do with this

[@sourthecat]

Lmao ​@@evbevbeats

[@badfish321]

Nah, M2 is kinda cool being light. He kinda fills the ‘Villain’ role for Pokémon, and we don’t have many light weight villains.

[@carloilfanSuperMammaMia2]

​@@badfish321Can't It Just be a normal Weight that levitates like It should be?

[@wolfbeat6427]

I think it's supposed to represent its (relatively) low defenses.

[@vengeflyking2722]

Well, in official Pokemon tournaments Mewtwo is considered trash, because you're only allowed to bring 1 or 2 of the strong legendaries, and Mewtwo definitely can't keep up with those because they usually have better stats and abilities. But it's not the worst of them because this list includes several Pokemon that are made bad intentionally.

[@thethreekings9120]

Bold of you to assume I know who Mewtwo is.

[@twotamatos]

Glass cannons work in Pokémon the game but not very well in smash bros despite all his flaws I think he has potential in melee I just really enjoy playing him in that game over any other game I have tried in every game to make that character work & really he is a tough character to use any game so pick your poison, I think melee having more basic fighter movesets gives him more of a favor in melee I just feel like the way 4 & ult are played the games evolved too much to where there r pretty much rush down characters that hit like heavies and with how fast the combo games r in both those games he just doesn’t work being a big slow floaty lightweight is just brutal he does hit like a dump truck and has a nasty nasty jab in ult I’d argue better the villagers and Jrs jabs from just how fast it racks up damage I just wish in ult they gave him a project M buff and let him act outta teleport that woulda been what kept me playing the characters XD

[@twotamatos]

I also feel like being a floaty with as good of a recovery as him is actually a boon in melee where recovery is as tough as it gets like ness genuinely feels like lil mac in that game great everywhere else but the recovery that’s all that holds him back in that game in ultimate that isn’t good being floaty slow falling character doesn’t give u any favors when how easy it is to get back on stage anyways

[@Joel-wr8dr]

Mewtwo is one of the interesting and pretty good characters in smash games in my opinion but I am happy that they put Mewtwo in the smash games Mewtwo is one of the popular pokemon and I enjoy this video this video of ranking Mewtwo in super smash bros games is great and wonderful

[@bampunged]

Mewtwo is so fucking underrated. I can hit some amazing combos and kills with mewtwo. They don’t deserve to be so low. They have flaws yes. But there are some WAY WAY worse characters.

[@falsethemacro]

if people are complaining about Mewtwo's tail wait till Raichu gets added.

[@NOTMrpeppermint]

can you do one for link

[@Benjawin6671]

Mewtwo is my favorite Pokémon and it still baffles me that they still keep making him lightweight despite him canonically being over 200 pounds. I mean really he should be a heavyweight considering Charizard and Incineroar are and they're canonically lighter than him.

[@saxeladude]

Apparently mewtwo has 4 movies and none are the best one or so I've heard

[@flyforce16]

The TAIL

[@saxeladude]

mew two shouldn't be light the tail hitbox is funny and maybe give it exclusively super armor

[@armandomorfin3845]

Why to everything you just said, the light weight thing, tail hurtbox being funny and exclusive armor

[@saxeladude]

@@armandomorfin3845 balancing: he isn't super lightweight in pokemon, the tail having a hitbox makes sense I wouldn't like rocking chairs either if I was a cat instead of the chair phasing through it; also consider if he did not he'd be a sword fighter with many disjoints; plus provides more strategy to playing as mewtwo, the reason for armor on the tail is for it to be less punishing for a mewtwo player that hasn't mastered the movement yet; also hitting a tail is like hitting paper it will just evade blunt force cause it moves like a fluid.

[@gkgeze]

I would be so good in smash bros

[@alchemist26126]

then get good

[@rapidretrovenue563]

I think he/she is referring to their avatar, which is.... A Jolteon?

[@gkgeze]

@@rapidretrovenue563 no, literally me. I’m the best fighter

[@rapidretrovenue563]

​@@gkgezeI mean that's debatable lol RBY OU do be stacked. Alakazam, Starmie, Chansey, exeggutor all great competition. You beat Starmie but lose to Rhydon/Golem tho :/

[@gkgeze]

@@rapidretrovenue563 whar? I’m talking about smash bros. And me. Human me.

[@susiehaltmann3342]

Holy shit i literally cannot hit anybody as mewtwo. Why is mewtwo a lightweight? If he was heavy it would still be bad but would make more sense

[@CorbinLeonard-rp4et]

Ho no is a psychic type let's shoot are head,s wait a minute that what Mewtwo want us to do no it doesn't Yes it dose no does mew two what is worng with him

[@steveminecraft3573]

Ngl mewtwo isn’t actually that good in Pokémon anymore, used to be the most OP Pokémon back in generation 1 but power creep happened

[@peterbutterjelly114]

When your goat is, and has always been washed:

[@rapidretrovenue563]

I think ult M2 sucks ass. Melee M2 is actually decent, just hard af to use. He's the heaviest variant and the fastest movement wise if you properly use his djc and teleports. Sm4sh M2 was topps. Didn't like how he felt, but he was objectively better than in melee, so I played him. Side B was so cracked. Reflected shit, combo'd used for movement and recovery, it did everything! What ult did to M2 was a fucking disaster. They took away everything that gave him some sort of edge and gave him a buff where he didn't need it. No djc aerials or NiL teleports like in melee, no cracked side B like in sm4sh, no, they gave his ass "better down B" like wtf lol down B is too situational to benefit off of... Either give M2 back his cracked side B, djc aerials, or NiL teleports, at LEAST one of the three..

[@armandomorfin3845]

It's odd/ironic to me that you praise Melee variant as being underrated but not the Ult version because it almost seems as if you dropped Smash as a whole after Sm4sh or at least just M2 for that matter I'm left to wonder how much you actually know or still play the game because you clearly do know the changes since you named some between the transition of games but I guess you could also be blinded by Sm4sh to judge Ult M2 for what it is (different)

[@rapidretrovenue563]

@@armandomorfin3845 I'm not wrong though. Melee has tons of movement options, so you can make underdog characters work because of how much movement there is in melee. From sm4sh and further, a character needs to have the full package or at least damn near it because the modern smash titles don't allow interactive movement, so players can't really push a character as much. Look at Yoshi in melee, ppl thought at first that character sucked lol you can't replicate that in modern smash. Platforms are hazards, can't shield drop, no wavelanding, nothing. They gotta make ult M2 more like sm4sh M2 especially with all the crazy DLC fighters.

[@armandomorfin3845]

@@rapidretrovenue563 I won't be able to comment much on Melee since I'm out of touch with it so I guess we'll fill in each other's missing info but yeah I agree if the base game doesn't allow for fundamental freedom of expression movement tech then it all depends on the characters at that point Ult M2 can still teleport cancel btw like Sm4sh M2 did, it's just a little tighter since they changed the traction between games since Sm4sh to be less like you were running on slippery Ice floors, it's not like we don't have anything anymore or they didn't give us new things Although I will say, I do miss quite a few things I think they shouldn't have changed ngl like the old Side B (Confusion) from Sm4sh that you said I actually hugely agree with

[@rapidretrovenue563]

@@armandomorfin3845 yeah I know what ur saying its like... ok ult M2 is not like TOTAL trash but it's like, the power creep of the DLC characters man, it's a jump from sm4sh. Somany more wild characters to keep up with. Hell, even sm4sh M2 might have struggles in ult. Yeah you see NOW you're talking! That cracked side B was basically his new movement. It was fair trade off from his melee movement. You could glide around with that thing in neutral, he really needed that to compensate for modern smash movement limitations.

[@rapidretrovenue563]

@@armandomorfin3845 think about it like this: why does ganon suck so hard in newer smash titles as opposed to melee? Its cuz they didn't give him anything to compensate for the movement he had in melee. Hell, Bowser's slowass in melee can move around nicely if the player was good enough. Players in melee can pick up a slow character and boost their speed significantly. In modern smash titles you can't really do a whole lot about a slow character. You just sit there and shrug like "damn, ur slow man. I can't do anything as a player to help that.."

[@gusonian8637]

Hey man these videos are great, but tbh I feel like the name is really holding you back. I don’t know if it’s really your name or anything, but ‘Honest Content’ is just pretty disingenuous and bad for searching. There’s a lot of fun puns you could make with the word and keep that ‘Honest’, but adding ‘Content’ to a channel name just feels off, and I don’t want it to keep limiting you since the content is great

[@gabrielmarchena1755]

Mewtwo is one of the few character with canonical weight and they made it even lighter than Pikachu! Why he is so light weight and floaty ?

[@substitutedoll5224]

one of the worst designed characters in the entire series

[@woodenspoon5513]

Dude, I don't like being mean but get a second pair of eyes on your scripts before you record them. You repeat yourself so much, it's insane.

[@theronnoc5208]

I love your content, but I’m sorry you remind of Huggbees but less cool.