How GOOD were Virizion & Iron Leaves ACTUALLY? - History of Competitive Virizion & Iron Leaves

[@ModernGamer_MG]

16:45 I'm Joseph :) I chose Virizion over kartana for a few reasons. Having stone edge for Charizard, volcarona, and Zapdos was valuable, and scope lens meant leaf blade and stone edge would crit 50% of the time. It was meant to counter teams commonly used by the Californian players, sun and rain

[@CuckRadioGermany]

Vote for Pin. Also congrats to your placements m8

[@noremac7216]

50% crit rate on 2 moves with such a good coverage together is insane

[@TheOtherNeutrino]

Technically, Stone Edge would crit 40% of the time when accounting for its infamous accuracy.

[@LEGEND-sp9ev]

W team. Congratulations for your placements man ❤

[@10jr92]

​@TheOtherNeutrino I might be in the minority, but I land a lot more Stone Edges than I probably should. In fact, I'd be as bold to say that I've missed more Play Roughs than Stone Edges. Those accuracies should be swapped 😂😂

[@Fletch_078]

Virizion really can’t escape a 4x weakness, even when it’s a robot.

[@kinghasturFFFF00]

it makes sense that the weakness of a robot is a bug

[@MaahirMomtaz12]

With the exception of Iron Crown, both Iron Leaves and Paradox Terrakion have a Bug weakness

[@Light_2461]

@@kinghasturFFFF00True

[@mysticpumpkin8520]

​@@MaahirMomtaz12Paradox Terrakion doesnt even exists yet......

[@VeganLatte]

But it's still so good

[@sandrahwu]

I’m just surprised by how many Focus Blasts you guys managed to land for this video.

[@matteodotdpsatgmaildotcom2451]

So much so that it turned into fire blast in the popular moves list

[@DeinoChenus]

Gotta love fire blast virizion

[@grydon6422]

_Video material gathered for 10 years to make that possible_

[@awakusutv1574]

They either Skill Swaped No Guard to it or had to try many many times until it landed

[@amateraceon5202]

I like how they were given the chance to make a cool future robot version of Virizion in SV but they still felt the need to make it look like the robot was wearing shoes

[@ianluk6385]

I kinda like Virizion/Iron Leaves' boots. They give it some nice flair and personality

[@MaahirMomtaz12]

They look more like hooves

Or boots.@@MaahirMomtaz12

[@sonofhades57]

It looks like its front legs are broken.

[@brendanboomhour7606]

​@@MaahirMomtaz12at the bottom, yes, but higher up they look like stereotypical boots worn by Renaissance musketeers

[@lillyie]

if paradox pokemon is now gonna be counted, we need a delibird remake!

[@cristianordonez7976]

99% of the video gonna the robo birb

[@rios5944]

Honorable mention: Delibird Literally just about enough material for a youtube short

[@abrahamgamino2276]

Delibird sucks one of the worst pokemon.

[@SufferingSuccotash]

You better watch out You better not cry You better not pout cause I'm telling ya why

[@ianluk6385]

I feel like we'd need a Donphan remake more than Delibird. Donphan has two paradox forms, and its video is pretty outdated

[@bradensmith8682]

Outspeeding many fire types like Charizard Y and knocking them out with Stone Edge is such an amazing feeling. Same with Durant, but overall, Virizion was much more consistent until Clefable became more relevant.

[@bobfrank7339]

Until it eventually misses ofc

[@felixma9192]

@@bobfrank7339physical rock type move moment

[@Pam234]

@@felixma9192 is power gem the only non signature rock move that is 100% accurate?

[@felixma9192]

@@Pam234 smack down and salt cure as well

[@Pam234]

@@felixma9192 salt cure is a signature move

[@Hnui03]

The Paradox inclusions now have me thinking, how FORESHADOWING was DONPHAN actually!?? Donphan being one of your first videos also deserves a remake too, Donphan has been a surprisingly understated goat for several generations with its occasional ventures into OU being a product of its more primal ancestors dormant DNA

[@mandalorianhunter1]

You already knew it was coming

[@PlatinumStrife]

And also his future descendants being a actually decent Pokémon in Ubers even though it sits in UU

[@mandalorianhunter1]

@@PlatinumStrife I honestly think it will go back to OU when the indigo disk comes back

[@papershadow]

@@PlatinumStrife Iron Treads is funny how its two best tiers are Ubers as a Miraidon and co. check, the skips OU to become UU's Great Tusk

[@MidoseitoAkage]

Great Tusk is the most overrated mon of the current meta and funny to say, I really love it.

[@gengstar09]

When Iron leaves was a raid boss, it had E terrain set up. I wish the paradox Pokémon had a damaging move that also sets up either sunny day or eterrain

[@brendanboomhour7606]

Yeah, it wouldn't even need to be ridiculously powerful either, 40-60 base would be just fine

[@waters_1020]

@@brendanboomhour7606knowing gamefreak itd probably be around 75-85bp

[@iplayonatoaster5406]

Even just a better E terrain setter might make it viable again. Pincurchin just doesnt do enough for anyone to use it. If Tapu Koko comes back into Scarlet and Violet, Paradox mons are going to have a field day.

[@dylangardinerthesmollestbo7902]

@@iplayonatoaster5406I remember one time a made an ou team of pincurchin and five future paradox Mons and it worked better than I expected. Everything was really fast and hit pretty hard

[@stefans4751]

If you include Paradoxes with their normal versions the eventual Donphan remake is gonna break Lando's record for video length

[@megasean3000]

Iron Treads, Great Tusks _and_ Donphan? 💀

[@tylerd1297]

Flutter Mane and bundle too being that they're legal in VGC

[@motoyeerma3377]

What about Volcarona, Iron Moth and Slither Wing?

[@wallapi1188]

​@@motoyeerma3377Volc alone would be a lengthy video since it was banned from OU

[@PkmnTrainerEmerald]

You forgot to mention how Virizion came in 2nd at worlds in 2013 with Fuko Nakamichi vs Brendan Zheng. It didn't come into the battle but the weavile that she had on the team had beat up making it likely it was the beat up strategy to raise the attack of Virizion. That's one thing I think was needed to be talked about. Other than that it was cool seeing you talk about iron leaves too!

[@ogfatalis2713]

One thing you forgot to mention about Virizion was its recent resurgence in ORAS UU

[@jaidenbeloved]

My favorite sword of justice! I’ve been waiting for the group to be complete

[@roninwarriorsfan]

Just one more to go!

[@togakhan1274]

Actually at the time of this video, Iron Leaves is UUBL for some reason. Also, there is a typo of Fire Blast in Virizion moves section in gen 7 or 8.

[@Eventuallyyyy]

*rubl. It dropped recently and got banned in a week

[@ShinyTillDawn]

it was supposed to be foc blast.

[@Magmatical]

It's rubl

[@o0_VanYsH_0o]

@False Swipe Gaming about 6 years from now, I can't wait for "How Good Was Baxcalibur Actually"

[@williamhumphrey2530]

….and then it got Scale Shot

[@magicfish8213]

It will be overshadow by Dragoneon, the dragon type Eeveelution.

[@justinnzamora5366]

I'm expecting the Salamence remake to include it's prehistoric form in Roaring Moon. Same goes for Volcarona and it's two Paradox forms in Slither Wing & Iron Moth.

[@cheyanne2001]

And the Gen 9 Volc ban to Ubers cos Tera Grass was OP on it lol. Volc has had a very interesting competitive career

[@Hilight277]

@@cheyanne2001also heavy duty boots

[@cheyanne2001]

@@Hilight277 true! heavy duty boots were a godsend to let it hit the field safely

[@lessgochamp646]

@@cheyanne2001 more like a curse. This item shouldn't have existed

[@cheyanne2001]

@@lessgochamp646 nah, Heavy Duty Boots were kinda needed, considering how freaking common and determental Rocks, Spikes, T-Spikes and Web were to opposing teams. It shut down so many mons for free which kinda sucked lol

[@arshianhassan395]

16:56 virizion getting fire blast in gen 8 is peak pokemon moment

[@racejones5939]

But Virizion cannot learn Fire Blast!

[@arshianhassan395]

​@@racejones5939i was being sarcastic. Click the timestamp and see the popular moves section

[@racejones5939]

@@arshianhassan395 well, I accept that.

[@okispokis7261]

16:56 Ah yes, my beloved Fire Blast Virizion

[@hershy1594]

It would've been really cool to see iron leaves get an electric grass typing. It doesn't get that nasty 4x weakness to u turn and with coverage could be a great sweeper

[@ruiribeiro8010]

This mon has a whole lot more in its record than i had initially predicted.

[@MazterP28]

Shiny virizion looks amazing. Perfect for spring the season

[@danielferrieri7434]

I like watching these mostly for the Competitive Clips in the middle rather how good the Pokémon were Competitively

[@Twin138956Productions2019]

I wonder what Past Entei and Future Terrakion would look like

[@mintsushi9598]

raging heat / iron rock (very original)

[@KinglerCookie]

they're already leaked so you can search it up

[@mintsushi9598]

fake lol

[@jesusaguirre2150]

Entei better be thicc

[@georgecortes3416]

Something tells me Paradox Entei will be a triceratops or a T-Rex. Wonder what its signature move will be: Walking Wake gets a Water-move that gets a power boost in Sun AND Rain, Raging Bolt gets Electric-Type Sucker Punch, so we'll eventually see what this signature Fire move will be...

[@gretchling5012]

i know people like to knock the future designs, but i really like how they look in-game. iron leaves' weird ferrofluid blades are dope

[@dragonlord8525]

Next week is the 1 hour terrakion vid 😂

[@Quell_Walden]

I’m always stunned when someone pronounces a Pokémon a different way that I’ve been for 10* years.

[@connivingkhajiit]

FSG's pronunciation is surely incorrect

[@boop53]

this confirms that the Salamence and Tyranitar remakes will straight up be 90 minutes long

[@snapclub8751]

One more Swords of Justice member left, and I have no doubt in my mind that Terrakion will have a one hour video.

[@Treeko13]

11:30 Jackson evolved his Clefa and went up a spot

[@videakias3000]

idea for a new theorem video: "the Ash Ketcham theorem: why "skill" is not only limited in teambuilding and understsanding of the mechanics". reading your opponent and predicting possible outcomes matters too. most of the top players in "random battles" are the same players in the other regular formats. and random battles is a format where the players are given zero control on team building.

[@lorddarkrai5753]

Imagine False Swipe drop the following in October: "We will only release one video this month , at the end of October.See you then!" My guess would be "Rotom is coming"

[@misirtere9836]

jesse what the hell are you talkin about

[@lawofson]

7:45 I'm Blake. I was really young when I made this team so I just put cool and strong pokemon into and placed well lol, also the gliscor was a full odds shiny named "legit". I didnt even know about natures, IVs or EVs.

[@dylanbuchanan6511]

I really liked using Virizion in Gen 5 OU. Yeah it was UU but had great special bulk and good HP and GREAT speed tier meaning it could set up SS with no problem. Its type combination was good enough at helping stave off the common rain teams you see so much both offensively and defensively and paired real nice with leftovers. In my opinion, a fairly underrated grass type

[@YesImJoeKing]

Dragalge, magcargo, drifblim, Aegislash or rotom and all of his forms! 💪💪💪

[@aidanlarimore4391]

17:36 ah yes my favorite move to run on Virizion, Fire Blast

[@julianokohlerdasilva3629]

Now that we have paradoxes i need "how good were jigglypuff and scream tail actually"

[@SeriousStriker]

If you're doing Paldea already, then the Bisharp and Donphan remake videos would go quite hard.

[@dukesmith3381]

Hey, Virizion! Virizion's VGC 2012 analysis was the only one I ever posted to Smogon ^_^ It doesn't credit me, but I wrote it XD

[@SemiHypercube]

tfw when you don't get into Scarlet/Violet but a robot that looks quite similar to you does

[@vtmagno23]

Oooo, we're pairing paradox pokemon with their inspirations? Can't wait for "How GOOD were Average Tusk and Great Tusk and Elon Tusk ACTUALLY?"

[@Giratina575]

How bad was iron jugulis actually

[@bluekirby_64]

​@@Giratina575 No match for the dreaded Iron Mugulis

[@eeveewithcoffee9554]

Can you do a theory on items in competitive pokemon? Items that make or break pokemon like thick club and evolite

[@Seth_rs]

I remember one of my favorite poketuber said back in the day using a special set of virizion vs heatran: i have a useless stab and the other is giga drain (referring to focus blast)

[@stephenveerasammy3074]

I'm digging the Sunday release. Much better

[@SACREDSCIZOR9116]

17:48 i think you mistyped focus blast into fire blast

[@lutoph]

I feel like the highlight of this video in terms of gameplay footage is the Breloom one shoting the Alakazam with Mach punch.

[@weatherseed8994]

I love Virizion and Cobalion as a casual player. They have amazing designs and interesting backgrounds. They have consistently been among my favorite Pokémon since their release. Iron Leaves is just as incredible, along with Iron Crown, and they are all tied with being my favorite future paradox Pokémon with Iron Valiant. Seeing their impact, no matter the size, into the competitive scene is fascinating. You're the only Pokémon KZbinr I watch. You're videos are great to watch and let me glimpse at a world of Pokémon I am not a part of. Seeing my favorite Pokémon featured in your episodes always brings a smile to my face.

[@dysr]

I’m glad to see BKC’s influence with that comparison to slasher films near the end.

[@leandrolopes5888]

Amazing! We are waiting the Misdreavus, Mismagius and Flutter Mane remake... And Tyranitar along Iron Thorns will surely be over a hour remake ;)

[@MightyMobileMatt]

Shoutout to Virizion from Mystery Dungeon Gates To Infinity. One of the better characters in the series.

[@Matpit18]

Wait. We’re including paradox forms in these videos now? Well, in that case, I can’t wait for the Misdreavus remake!

[@Dr.Deluxe]

It's so wild to me that when talking about Gen 9 RU getting massacred by Iron Leaves you showed Tyranitar getting beaten down by Close Combat. It's wild that an OU titan fell so far.

[@lory3771]

“A million unfunny Virizion Wireless jokes” Yep, that’s accurate

[@chilln0648]

Didn’t expect the paradox forms to be covered in the normal version’s video but tbh I’m all for it

[@DrunkenEros]

I don't think I'll ever get used to the official pronunciation. Ver-rise-e-an sounds so much worse than Ver-rizz-eon lol

[@cintronproductions9430]

Rizz. XD

[@kurodayuki3074]

honestly same... it sounds weird. Ver-rizz-ion / Vi-rizz-ion are what i am use to.

[@joseparra4322]

Do the top five paradox Pokémon that turn their useless counterparts into surprising monsters

[@migueldemendonca2398]

Please do the Charizard theorem. Why Gimmicks aren't everything.

[@Ropalme1914]

But how would that relate to Charizard? Charizard's gimmicks have been extremely successful, with Mega X being top tier in singles, Mega Y being very good on both singles and doubles, and Gigantamax being a top tier VGC threat on multiple formats (including the one with resstricted legendaries allowed)

[@kr555wizard]

If anything the charizard theorem would be a showcase of the strength of pokemon who can use each generation's gimmicks rather than a proof against it. you'd need a pokemon who never used gems, never had a mega evo, never used z moves and never gigatimaxed.

[@bobbybobby788]

But all of Charizard's forms have been extremely good, what point are you trying to make?

[@ianluk6385]

It would be the opposite, how gimmicks are everything. Both of Charizard's Mega forms were extremely successful in singles, its Y form was defining in doubles, it utilized Z-moves pretty decently from what I understand, its GMax form was very successful in VGC, and from what I understand it's also using Tera pretty successfully

[@DarthFhenix55]

That sounds more like the Smeargle theorem or the baton pass theorem.

[@XxTheCupidKidxX]

Virizion Wireless presents the Walking Wake

[@plazmatic2664]

I think FSG should do a video of all the paradox pokemon that wont be said in videos bc they've all been put in a video alr (E.g Delibird already has a vid)

[@NobodyDungeons]

104 speed was very good, but it has begun to fall off in OU with the insane levels of speed creep.

[@parkermiller1631]

“Virizion dissected the tier like a crazed, yet lucid surgeon yielding a machete” who tf wrote this script for their creative writing assignment

[@atn5944]

Am I seeing things or is there a Fire Blast in Virizion's movset for Gen VIII at the 16:55 mark

[@BackOff_xd]

Funny Error i saw: On the RU Gen 8 part, on the commonly used moves part at the left, they put "Fire Blast" on the move pool, instead of "Focus Blast"

[@AutisticStatic]

Finally my favourite outta the trio has gotten their video

[@Nullmeo]

The fact that both Breloom and Chesnaught generally outclassed Virizion in Gen 6 OU is a shame. I really love its design. Edit: changed “Virizuon” to the actual correct spelling.

[@playboikaniiii]

crazy how one update sent virizion from UU to fuckin PU, or how iron leaves went from UUBL to RU

[@IndiraDevi-yq6vm]

Fun fact: Virizion was a meme ish mon in most of SS nu till sirfetchd and machamp were banned. It isnt the best non NU fighting type. That goes to gallade. But its still a good mon. cheesing through the water+steel cores that r quite common in NU is big advantage.

[@pacmanboss256]

ah yes the wo chien of the sword of justice

[@awesomeraichu59342]

Can’t wait for the hour long video on Terrakion. I’m gonna say that half the video is going to be Terrakion in Gen 5

[@metayoshi1712]

It's low usage is contributed to it being an event only pokemon, and similarly, the same case applies for Walking Wake. Virizion is just weak as a defensive profile cause a single flying tera blast would make it go down. Iron Leaves is just way too limited as it stands, and unless it is Fire or Flying Tera, it has physically no way to counter the prevalent bugs in the tier. With scald coming back, it's gonna struggle even more.

[@ShiningJudgment666]

Battle simulators aren't hindered by such a limitation. Walking Wake is also OU.

[@zihaoguo6649]

24:54 the highlight being ru virizion bashing ttar in ru. When gen 9 is over a ttar update is gona be necessary to cap its eventful gen 9 journey

[@rin-zj4dt]

Really love that the swords of justice trio are getting attention! Any chances you and your team would ever do a "How good was generation N actually"?

[@PizzaPie728]

This is the first time I have seen the animation for Focus Blast in my life.

[@Mcflyeon]

It's Pokedex entries mentions that it has quick movements. Justified is nice and all but maybe we could give it an ability that matches the description like Quick Feet or even Speed Boost.

[@SuperFawful9000]

oh boy i can't wait for the inevitable hour long video for Terrakion on how GREAT he is in competitive scene bonus points if half of Terrakion's respective video length is him being amazing in Gen 5.

[@kelposo]

Didnt they already do a Terrekion Video??

[@SuperFawful9000]

@@kelposo no, you're probably mistaking Keldeo since that's the gen 5 sword Legendary that FSG did first and/or his top 5 Pokemon the fell off in OU since Terrakion was in that video.

[@Igorcastrochucre]

It feels weird that Virizion and Iron Leaves share a video, because they are fundamentally different pokemon.

[@grydon6422]

Yeah but not really. They are just variants of the original Pokemon at the end of the day

[@GoinGreninja]

​@@grydon6422In terms of how they look and such, yeah. But their stats are sometimes very different, like with Iron Bundle and Slither Wing and most importantly, they're considered different species by the games themselves, with Volcarona and Deliberd for example not getting any benefits for having their Paradox brehtren. Lumping them in just sounds unnecessary.

[@dylansturdivant5404]

Ready for the hour long Flutter Mane documentary

[@InkSams9386]

Gen 8 PU was wild

[@Patziken]

Personally, I think Iron Leaves shouldn't have been in this video. Paradox Pokémon aren't forms of existing Pokémon they just resemble the existing one. I wouldn't expect Tentacruel and Toedscruel to share a video for the same reason

[@sosams]

SwSh summary: "This thing can learn Fire Blast?!"

[@futureDreamer4]

Finally my favorite Swords of Justice!

[@thetky_clan666]

My favorite of the gen 5 trio overall, and one of the best grass picks if you didn't pick a grass starter (I did but I didn't care I had 2 grass mons)

[@BrandonPlaysStuff]

Gen 8 section: I don't recall Virizion ever being able to learn Fire Blast 😂 Probably meant Focus Blast there 😅

[@pastelprince1690]

i know this is such a niche remake but considering the paradox pokémon it would be cool to see a remake of misdreavous, mismagius, and now fluttermane 👀👀👀 just coming from the number one fan of them lmao

[@tktyga77]

Coming soon would be Iron Crown as Coballion's Paradox form. Terrakion would likely be next anyway even if it doesn't get a Paradox form alongside Entei

[@torru36]

Sweet, wonder what a Duraludon one would look like now.

[@ItsAZues]

Made Virizion sound like a hero turned villian.

[@DPedro3]

It think it's very funny how strange Virizion's movesets are, when you think about them. "Dropped fighting coverage for x-scisor or hidden power ice" is such a strange thing to hear

[@fabiaaquino2207]

Congrats man 100k views in less than 24 hours🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉

[@oxygen3143]

That’s going to be a fun Donphan remake in a few years

[@HarveyMeadowlark]

Vir-iz-i-on. That’s how I’ve always pronounced it, and I can’t/won’t stop now. Jokes aside, thank you for another video. I love these and listen to each of them dozens of times while I work. You really help me get through long days, thank you so very much for your content

[@EdmacZ]

We've been examining Competitive Pokémon with FSG for six years now, and I appreciate how we went from "Not OU, it sucks" to giving the lower tiers their due respect. The low tiers are not something to be mocked anymore. There are so many Good and Legitimately Great Pokémon down there. Their only problem is that the metagames are just too strong. With more ridiculous and Broken Mons emerging in OU, it isn't a badge of shame to be NU or PU anymore. The mighty Metagross and Tyranitar were claimed and even Garchomp was nearly taken away.

[@CaptainJLinebeck]

Yeah the Onix/Steelix video was very guilty of that

[@jakedc1997]

So if the Treasures of Ruin mirror the Guardian Deities, does that mean the Loyal Three mirror the Swords of Justice?

[@moonjelly5]

Maybe, but they are Loyal Three are based on a Japanese folktale of Momotaro, who was a boy who fought ogres alongside his monkey, dog and bird companions.

[@oyeh8908]

The Treasures of Ruin mirror the Forces of Nature.

[@TheMasterd333]

I won Worlds 2020 with Virizion

[@arshianhassan395]

Virizion alongside the rest of its quartet just needs sharpness giving them boosted sacred swords and in case of virizion boosted stab leaf blade as well

[@SoftwareLearningify]

If the swords of justice don’t get sharpness the next time they return, I swear-

[@deathpigeon2]

You could always say it like "vision" with a "rih" added between the "vi" and "sion".

[@bassfan82]

"infernape turned the meta game on its head" shows clip of Garchomp

[@seanmegahy3468]

I'd love to see a video of all the times pokemon were viable in ubers that really shouldn't have been a la parasect.

[@about7grams]

You guys should do these types of videos about pro/semi pro VGC or Showdown players. "How great was Aaron Zheng ACTUALLY"

[@mcleod56ify]

Might as well finish the three musketeers Pokémon and make one on terrakion

[@danielmaynard239]

I like the Future Paradox Pokémon more than the past ones *Waits for angry replies*

[@Ganon8Man]

Naaa i agree

[@jesusaguirre2150]

Some are pretty clean designs. I just wish the shiny versions were more than just "THE FUTURE IS CHROME" 😅

[@yungmuney5903]

Valiant is actually cool but Jugulus epitomizes everything that could go wrong with the future forms.

[@georgecortes3416]

@@jesusaguirre2150W-what's going on? Why are all the Shinies...chrome? Turo: Everything's chrome in the future!

[@Dusk70]

Eh i think the originals are way better than the paradox lol