How Hard is it to Beat Factorio with NO BELTS and NO BOTS?

In this video, I lose my pants.
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0:00 Intro
1:11 Run Starts
5:40 Heresy
10:45 Automated Science
16:21 Blue Science
25:14 New Base™ Rises
31:10 Green Circuits
40:53 Real Science
45:33 Rocket Launch
47:06 Final Thoughts
Music Used:
System Shock Soundtrack - Elevator
RuneScape - Trawler Minor
Anvil - Path to Nowhere
Skaven (Future Crew) - Mercury Rain

[@DoshDoshington]

Hello, I've posted a poll on my channel on what mod you'd like me to play next. Go vote, or something. Keep in mind the longer the mod, the longer it will take to finish.

[@livingunderarock3095]

here is a hug🤗, for when you need it . thx for the vid

[@danyl_bor11]

Too many cool mods to see you play. Hope one day I could watch all of them.

[@themoldyjellybean6291]

Will there be streams on these next few mod packs?

[@nuclear_bread8633]

Most popular now is SE, so we will see you next time in next millennium i think

[@cright1282]

good vid as usual, what if everything was a fluid?

[@jarafPL]

This run deserves a Nobelt prize

[@Vizaru]

he Trained hard to earn that prize

[@Rakaziel]

This should be an Achievement

[@ayumikuro3768]

I wanted to correct you on the spelling of the Nobel Prize, then I realized what you did there. There is using train carts as belt substitutes and then there is this, this is truly disgusting. You vile creature.

[@harrygenderson6847]

You win. [Insert-er applause]

[@svrcinamarek]

genius

[@Alexamyah]

So I was expecting chest and inserter spaghetti but the way he gets it done is so much more janky and cursed than I could have imagined at the start of the video

[@satibel]

Those wagons are basically big chests

[@kabob0077]

@15th Century Priest I've gotten like +80 Insight from this...

[@ShouldBeSleepin]

@@satibel ok k

[@UnknowinglyDerpy]

With wagons basically big chests this isn’t just spaghetti this is a whole sheet of lasagna

[@user-jm8sy5ox2j]

I don't think that would be practical because of the chest to chest transfer rate with single inserters, plus most inserters would have to be filter inserters and you'd have tons of problems with chests getting clogged with 1 type of item. Doing this with train cars for the sole reason of being able to filter individual slots is what makes this possible

[@NorDank]

A 48 minute video with 29 minutes of playtime is a true testament to your factorio skill

[@DoshDoshington]

Let's just pretend it was sarcasm and I didn't just accidentally say minutes and not catch it

[@mcgravitybuilding7346]

@@DoshDoshington with the way you talk it sounds like sarcasm, love it!

[@kinglionex4888]

@@DoshDoshington now do it without trains.😂

[@supernenechi]

@@DoshDoshington I didn't even think it was a mistake. With how you talk in your vids I genuinely thought it was sarcasm xD

[@creativecraving]

After nearly 30 hours, it's no wonder if your brain is a bit overwhelmed. Great playthrough!

[@mridontknow4586]

It's 4am. I have never even heard of factorio before. This is interesting. I demand more

[@NoahtheEpicGuy]

Most Factorio players are still online at 4am, so you might be a great inductee! Well, if, and ONLY if, you haven't already been inducted.

[@flazerrazer2992]

If you want to play steam has a free demo that lets you play the tutorial (if you buy it tutorial is optional and the tutorial is actually kinda helpful and enjoyable which also feels similar to the full game)

[@memoryfound9208]

one of us one of us

[@ebmusicman84]

Imagine this being your introduction to what Factorio is... 🤣🤣

[@mrlegodude96alt2]

it feels like a personal attack that your end base is still neater than mine and I get to use the main features of the game still.

[@ronim.h2769]

5 years of gameplay experience, keep that in mind

[@hellhedgehog2560]

You'll get better at it eventually

[@goldenegg7447]

I just finished my first playthrough with like 8 friends that took us just under 50 hours to get a single rocket built. This man, alone, finished in half that time without fucking belts.

[@JudgeNicodemus]

@@goldenegg7447 keep in mind he's not only great at the game, but also motivated bu sheer spite.

[@autonomousanonymous6310]

he's also an engineer in real life, so there's that

[@psinjo]

"Personally i prefer my challenges to test my brain and not my patience" honestly, i think that's 100% valid. i wouldn't even mind if you set up construction/logistics robots just to help build, as long as you didn't use buffer chests, but respect the dedication to just staying with your own robots. Honestly this build ended up a lot more interesting than i expected

[@Mr.Sparks.173]

Yeah I would have counted it if Dosh went with "logistics embargo" rules with bots- no requester or buffer chests but everything else is on the table

[@drearyplane8259]

Watching this provoked a physical reaction of intrigue followed by disgust, followed by fear. 10/10.

[@Za11oy]

10/10 would watch again?

[@manitoba-op4jx]

sounds like my reaction to scrolling through twitter

[@nikkiofthevalley]

For me it was just fear for this man's sanity all the way through.

[@giganooz]

I honestly really liked it. I just didn't get why he didn't make one default train inventory that has all the basics, and then copy that everywhere, instead of having to set it over and over again everywhere. I don't think you need all the trains to have only one specific resource and then tons of it.

[@mytiliss682]

​@@giganoozhe said it's deadlocks

[@SoylentGamer]

I love how this run has imbued you with the wisdom of the beltless, and the train car mall has showed up in every single run since. I hope we keep seeing it.

[@Mr.Sparks.173]

It's like he glanced upon some eldrich truth and was forever changed.

[@kabob0077]

@@Mr.Sparks.173 This run granted him eyes...

[@1_1bman]

9:55 i was mostly on board with all of this up until this very moment when my body found itself in a state of revulsion unknown to me. i feel as if i have made eye contact with cthulhu, and thus have broken from the knowledge that the world is doomed. i understand now that all is to be lost and there is no hope. video is great though

[@benjaminmeier7070]

Priceless comment :D

[@arielsproul8811]

>says niko oneshot

[@JGenM]

Understandable It is as if one has tasted from the fruit of forbidden knowledge, your soul forever tarnished with this sinful lore and the covenant to god broken. Truly one can only lose hope at such prospect.

[@coconutcute712]

You mean the diagonal wagon at 9:57?

[@kylebennett4434]

Wow this is incredibly quick with how long these runs and videos take to make, glad we're able to see more of the suffering after just a short few weeks away

[@TheRDB46]

love your last name

[@irrelevant_noob]

@Kyle Bennett well, considering the first 16 minutes were in fact a condensed review of 6 hours of ACTUAL game-play... yeah, it's quite quick. ^^ PS Those 29 hour-long "minutes" at 46:20 make the video about 37x overall. :-B

[@martylawson1638]

Was expecting mega-base style train to train with train wagons filtered to match each recipe. Instead you made an amazing eldritch horror 👍

[@TheFoxfiend]

One day space explorers will find this world, see the expanse of cargo wagons across the land and go insane as they try to comprehend what was done by the lunatic that crashed here. This was amazing, thanks for the great video.

[@jakestaples93]

Unless of course they're Keen Faction Space engineers who will just think of the trains as conveyer spaghetti

[@NoahtheEpicGuy]

For a second, I thought you meant IRL in about ten thousand years, somebody lands on some random rock in space, metal detector in hand, finds an old storage device from the Idytonium Era, plugs it in, finds a game called Factorio (doesn't quite understand the name of the game, humanity has come a long way since English-speaking tourists embarrassingly proclaiming their pregnancy to their waitress during a trip to Spain or Mexico), _somehow_ the game launches on the SuperQuantoTM quantum detergent reality co-processor. They get five seconds to look at it before a signal in their brain tells them it's time for Gronking. Don't ask me what that is, they didn't tell me.

[@jacobgray3112]

This video was like watching someone saw their leg off with a rusty hacksaw in slow-motion. Great job!

[@ThomasBomb45]

"Sawing off my leg with NO KNIVES and NO SAWS"

[@rustyshackleford1508]

@@ThomasBomb45 Using passing trains to do the job

[@Wulfjager]

@@rustyshackleford1508 he should research sharpened train wheels

[@aloysiuskurnia7643]

"May I present to you, the forbidden factorio knowledge" Whoa that is not really cursed, tbh I kinda like it "You can make the rails diagonal too" Yeah nope nope nope nope nope "I can use cars too" Stoooop "Well the tank won't do so we can use diagonal tanks" Aaaaaaaaa

[@amateurishauthor2202]

Just about the same really, I thought it was really cool, and then the trains became diagonal and I have been recoiling until the end of the video

[@PrinceSilvermane]

Those storage car shenanigans are tech heresy of the highest order. Please continue.

[@shadowflamelightburst4503]

As a new factorio player, I find this “cursed” knowledge very entertaining to use

[@starry4471]

I get genuinely excited every time you upload. Your content is literally the best, most watchable Factorio content on the platform by a long shot.

[@tonoldomantreeno9416]

If you’re looking for more you should check out Zisteaus space exploration play thru. Still highly edited but covers less content per episode.

[@HandsomeGamerGuy]

@@tonoldomantreeno9416 That sounds *worse* though? Less Content per Episode?

[@trondsjafjell4656]

You should try a 1 train challenge. You will only have 1 impossibly long train

[@tygodankers6526]

that is awesome

[@AustinKeegan]

The Snowpiercer Challenge™

[@cyrolocker1229]

@@AustinKeegan Now I want to see if it’s possible to make a snowpiercer style factory, Everything is moved by 1 train

[@rainbowhyena1354]

Hеndriks already done it in his x-line series

[@grantonthenet]

So a normal UP train? (knows little about trains)

[@casssaph2287]

i love that beltless/botless is actually leagues more tolerable than seablock

[@unlivingskunk]

It’s been over a year and I’m still coming to terms that your start in this video is faster than mine normally

[@json_bourne3812]

Some of the best megabases we've ever seen are belt+bot-less, mainly for the FPS/UPS you save by not running belts. Always a fun challenge!

[@ericmyrs]

Depends on what you're optimizing for. If you're optimizing for sanity, that's almost certainly false.

[@trikop7575]

Belts as far as I've understood has gotten incredibly more optimized and multithreaded as well so 🤔

[@turdle2767]

LoL doubt that. You either have 1 example or are just straight bullshitting.

[@jako3015]

@@trikop7575 only as long as the belt is fully compressed, otherwise they are still pretty bad.

[@trikop7575]

@@jako3015 they're still multithreaded, although idk how much that helps Anyways if you're making a belt megabase you would want to have your belts full for maximum efficiency anyways

[@Ailtir]

Only started playing recently and am so glad I managed to find this channel. Insanely high quality editing, gameplay, commentary and interesting challenges. Criminal that you have so few subs. (for now)

[@sefarrell07]

I've watched a number of videos of yours now, and every time, it's the same thing: shock, awe, intrigue, a headache, fear, depression. You're a genius. And I thought doing the "There Is No Spoon" challenge in under 6 hours was good. The ideas swirling around in my head right now...I...I have to go...play...Factorio...

[@oz_jones]

The Factory must grow

[@Freezinggreece2]

​@@oz_jones the omnissiah demands it

[@mendozamonreal1719]

Ngl the base looks absolutely amazing and the managing of moving stuff looks really good considering theres no belts, you can efficiently move many materials in a sigle wagon and actually using the filters

[@sphygo]

And the game still runs with no issues. I'm constantly amazed at the optimization of this game

[@dudu28r81]

They didn't spend entire years optimizing the game for nothing

[@link_team3855]

​@@dudu28r81 their still giving optimization updates lol

[@kcinnay2]

There is something oddly beautiful about these "belts". Also there was a mod that basically made it that backed up belts spill out at the end I think a playthrough with that would be well not fun but you know what I mean

[@jeffwilson3818]

I cannot express enough how much I want to see him do a run like that.

[@axjkalsok1058]

+1

[@Sinaeb]

easy, just make the ending loop around 2 tiles back into the belt

[@riccardoorlando2262]

@@Sinaeb The mod is cleverer than that. Basically, any time items on a belt are stopped by something in front of them, they spill on the ground. This includes backed up belts, belts that end, belts that merge into other belts, splitters, sideloaded undergrounds... basically any time items on belts can't move, they spill

[@panmelnyk]

Belts are irrelevant now, forget about them

[@Veklim]

My friend and I have posited this build concept on a few occasions and whereas we decided it was *possible*, neither of us ever imagined a time when either of us would have the patience, audacity and sheer insanity to actually attempt it. Then you came along and did it for us, you glorious, nutty bastard!

[@Grandosco]

12:52 I'm glad that even after 5 years, a veteran player still smashes into their own electric poles like I've done hundreds of times in the less-than-a-year of my own playtime XD

[@LiamCadenMusic]

I’ve been rotating through all your previous Factorio videos for a month waiting for a new one. Excellent content man. Breath of fresh air.

[@lelandbatey]

This is EASILY the most cursed, most forbidden *anything* I have ever witnessed in all my years of playing Factorio Congratulations 😡👏🎉

[@larswillems9886]

But it is genius aswell

[@imnotgivingmyname2389]

When you mentioned a forbidden technique, I guessed what you were going to do as I had seen a note about this on the wiki before. I did not quite expect it to work that well though. Makes me want to try something similar. I feel like the deadlock issue should be solvable, and if so, then this could actually be a a good belt replacement for recipe trees with too many inputs and outputs and intermediate products, where belts simply don't have enough lanes to make the solution anything but messy.

[@yugimotobutjacked3231]

All dead locks are a result of poor math in regards to production

[@AkashSingh-jv5im]

I thought I knew how you were going to do a belt-less run, but this went "off the rails" real fast. Great job

[@embertillhawk8160]

Wow. I'd thought of doing a train-as-belt factory before but I didn't know that you could do it exactly like that. That's actually amazing. Now I wanna go try it...

[@pedrobroek2228]

Don’t do it, it’s for your own good not too

[@trappedsan3932]

"Now I wanna go try it..." *No.*

[@lynxgamerlife]

I really want to now. Things will be traveling at the speed of light now.

[@Rafael_Fuchs]

@@trappedsan3932 Yes. And please do share your creation with us. Lol

[@seanlarkin8010]

Can't wait for the 'NO BELTS, NO BOTS' speedrun's to occur!

[@chadasmr8304]

Your dedication is amasing, and the line "i've been playing this run for so long this looks normal" as you gaze upon a monstrosity got me to sub. Awesome piece!

[@alexanderhetzel8271]

I love how you always manage to surprise me with these play throughs. Astonishing, how neat the base actually looks and how it all fits together (expect the train network, that is just a mess, love it).

[@ggibby0450]

I'm dually impressed and physically reviled by what I have seen this day. In either case, applause is deserved.

[@notloopers1110]

5:40 "man enough DD for the day let me take a quick brea-" *stress points taken*

[@kevinknutson4596]

Your builds are always interesting and this monstrosity is truly inspiring. Throughput tanks are the real heroes here.

[@maxd1107]

I’ve watched all your factorio videos and I am a huge fan of how you do them. Keep making great videos.

[@Whistler-007]

Congrats on the run .... "29 minutes" awesome

[@orange3423]

Just wanted to throw out there that you've quickly become one of my favorite content creators. Your factorio videos are really, really well made. Exactly the content to feed my factorio addiction AND my weird unconventional challenge addiction. Keep up the good work!

[@crashbug4343]

Dude these videos are amazing! Your dry humor is at the perfect level to make these videos incredibly fun to watch. Hope you keep going!!!

[@llamaduden3397]

Another certified banger!!! I actually love the final build and how functional it actually ends up being, great job and great video!!!

[@ly49nkallo]

Somehow you manage to capture the pure essence of this game. Limitless playstyles and creativity. Always entertaining to watch, it makes me feel like my first playthough keep it up

[@RoyalFusilier]

Considering the time and effort it must take to make these, you really are cranking them out. Very much appreciated, this is nearly the ideal way to experience Factorio outside of actually just playing it. Honestly probably better since it's somebody who knows what they're doing. I tried this challenge once many editions ago, using just inserter arms to move cargo around, and my findings before the video starts are that it *really* doesn't work even *slightly.* By Green science, the throughput was too low to sustain anything. Look forward to seeing what you've come up with. EDIT: Well, I sure wasn't expecting the most cursed thing I've ever seen in Factorio by a signfiicant margin. Awesome work, necessity is the mother of invention.

[@runikwolf7755]

8 minutes in and I’ve already learned so much misc tech that I feel like I’m going insane. Nicely done.

[@TheGemmaster22]

I feel like this may have been the coolest thing i have ever watched. The way you used the trains made me think of a pipe of anything and everything that was available anywhere anytime. It was beautiful

[@ColinTimmins]

That was fantastic! So many ideas that I wasn’t insane enough to think up. Thanks for the video.

[@minikretz1]

I'm so amazed with how casually you explain something so crazy like the uranium. I sometimes have to rewind once or twice to understand the brilliancy.

[@bovax6259]

I am late to this particular video and especially late to your wisdom / madness playing this game. I have found myself doing what I can to binge your vids on this game just for the artwork you put up on screen here. I bow to your Factorio game play awesomeness. Your knowledge of the game mechanics ( from the 3000+ hrs helps a bit there ), your skill, your narration and your dry humor is what brings me back. Krastorio, rampant death world, the one on circuits and signals and a few others of your challenge videos that my mind cannot think of at 2:45am pst.

[@carnivoreblues1331]

I really thought I knew what was coming after reading the title. I am so glad I was wrong! Your solutions to the same problems we all face are really amazing! Ty for the content! You got a sub.

[@topa9487]

Holy shit I've been waiting for what feels like ages for you to upload again after I binged your entire factorio catalogue, let's gooo.

[@techpriest2854]

It truly is a delight whenever I see a new video from you. Every one has shown a new tidbit of knowledge and learning (even if it is a bit cursed)

[@randomclipsofmedoinrandomd4253]

Wow all your knowledge and facts and tech and tricks in this game makes this so much cooler! I enjoy watching your videos and it has inspired me to get into Factorio.

[@SiTrixonian]

This was one of the most interesting and creative Factorio runs I've seen! Thank you :D

[@ookinachongusu2644]

I've waited so hard for this one, watching you suffering is the greatest factorio content I could've hoped for

[@Hadanelith1]

Well that was absolutely cursed, and incredibly well done! Excellent problem solving, despite the heresy. Looking forward to your next run - these are great fun to watch.

[@xkiztor7058]

Absolutely incredible video! Keep up the good work!

[@MrDrCthulhu]

Randomly recommended this, it's one of the most confusingly cursed but also beautiful things I've ever seen in Factorio. I can't imagine doing this myself, but you made it look easy. Awesome work.

[@tomduke1297]

i love how the factory looks so neat and compact... and stationary. kudos mate! ;)

[@lucasc8972]

Challenge failed: used tool belt

[@anthonymurray2085]

Only just found your channel and have realised that I've watched hours, ha ha. Love the videos, keep up the god work Dosh. Also Merry Christmas

[@LennyJenss]

New to the channel, I absolutely love your videos man. Keep up the great work, you've earned a loyal subscriber

[@Robert-hb8fo]

You should combine this with the sushi belt challenge to make a sushi train challenge. No belts, no cargo wagon abomination, just 1 train that spans the entire factory.

[@dainbaril2934]

You are making the best factorio content on YT right now

[@Kabluey2011]

You sir, are a madlad, and I love it! Excellent job!

[@mypaxa003]

Accidentally found your channel. It is amazing. You 100% deserve more subscribers. 👍

[@drakky1227]

I genuinely thought you were going to do an entire train network for all the things you need automated, but this just blew my mind with how effective this works

[@Attaxalotl]

I don't think God stays in heaven because He, too, fears what He has created; I think He stays in heaven because He's afraid of what Dosh has created.

[@DavidLindes]

Fascinating. Thanks for showing.... quite a different approach to things!

[@interesting7797]

This video is interesting, so much effort to make all those ideas, good work and I can't wait to see the next videos.

[@youtubecomments2740]

"33% slower than ideal" for wires into circuits: False. Ideal conditions are 5 assemblers to produce 2 assemblers' worth of circuits. 1:1ing it means you use 6 assemblers to produce 2 assemblers' worth of circuits. Your base is 17% slower than ideal. Efficiency!

[@_mwk]

Inserter-chest chains? EDIT: Damn, you found something much more crazy...

[@IqweoR]

❤ keep up the good work. Your factorio videos are one of the only ones that doesn't get me want to sleep while watching them. Factorio is a great game, but watching it, instead of playing, can be very boring, and you managed to keep all of them very entertaining!

[@dseszu425]

Yay, new video :) Was pretty excited to see more of your stuff. Edit: This was a really ingenious run

[@MrAbgeBrandt]

I think I have never laughed this hysterically at a factorio video before as when you crashed your train into itself :D Thanks for that! Also I think this was a genuinely aesthetically pleasing base.

[@nathanieltokich9883]

This was completely bananas. I wonder how you'd do with the Tiberium mod on a death world playthrough.

[@mr_b_hhc]

Just been introduced to your content and boy you are crazy. Love it.

[@nate000088]

your stuff is so relaxing, puts me to sleep right away, I gotta be careful when n where I watch your stuff 10/10

[@ender-gaming]

Over 1200 hours of Factorio and I completely didn't know you about the fact you could change the container via overlap by which item was placed first with movable containers... Also moving across the main bus...wagon...main transport path via filters on the wagons was honestly brilliant and quite convenient. The use of vehicles as throughput enhancers on t-junctions was also crazy brilliant. Honestly so much amazing out of the box thinking happened in this one video I'm just left beyond impresses.

[@tame2409]

This is morally reprehensible. I can not believe no one stopped you from doing this.

[@grayhill6728]

The originality alone puts this among the top Factorio content on KZbin. Impressive! Subscribed.

[@TimidTerrapin]

Your videos are awesome. Can't wait for the next one.

[@kilometershaldex]

This was so incredibly cursed, but I loved every second of it.

[@jmartyn4417]

I love the Factorio community, it is equal parts "That's a neat idea" and "But WHY?"

[@movax20h]

Well done. Always wanted to do a similar run. The trick with bidirectional wagons and filter inserters is cool.

[@atcrds]

A new one , great effort short period between them I'd say , must been a great joy of suffering to deliver your forth successful movie ( in a row ) . Wish you abd your channel the best m8 , do whatever you want next , you got the taste that pleases the hungry greedy eye of mine . JJ . Loved it as as always.

[@Kokuh206]

Is there a way to do the "every item is liquid" run? Sounds fun

[@arkeuzarts5140]

I know there is a mod called liquefy and a few mods like it that allue you to get some cursed stuff, like liquid circuit

[@LenkyLad]

I gotta wonder how you haven't grown weary of Factorio at this point. Spending roughly 60 hours or more at a time with each challenge/modpack and sifting through all that footage to cram it into an hour or less length video and making sure you were recording it all properly within the span of a few weeks to a month.

[@monsterbash2821]

Amazing content, dude. Keep it up!

[@juanpablo7065]

Man i really love your voice, i just played the tutorial but still watched all your videos 😩

[@SiverJohn]

faust

[@TheNuclearDragon]

I hope you're aware that inserters after the stack upgrade can be manually overridden, just click on them and select "Stack Override" and set the value to 1. For context, 11:20

[@json_bourne3812]

He also stated "but we need the throughput" immediately after, which I took that he was inferring we couldn't afford to limit the inserters.

[@grandmaul9003]

Like your videos, this game is a gem, had an idea from another game I played like this of dumping components from machine to machine, using a sorter to dump finished products into the selling unit. Everything was arranged so that raw materials were instantly being turned into parts the moment there was space

[@packediceisthebestminecraf9007]

This is so cursed... But at the same time, this is one of the most interesting runs I've ever seen, the way you use wagons is amazing!

[@alexburnaby8042]

I watched this video and instantly subscribed. 10/10 bruv.

[@peroute2040]

Great video! As always :)

[@essidus]

Thanks for another awesome video!

[@darkkenji1]

OH BOI HERE WE GO! love your content brother