How Heat Really Works in Tekken 8

[@FrameWhisperer]

As has been pointed out, heat engagers heal a large amount of white health back, but not necessarily all of it.

[@songbird-hk9so]

Thanks for the guide Fred Durst from Limp Bizkit

[@JPROP-vb7sv]

NAAA NO WAY

[@c16621]

You know you have to prove this, right?

[@AtaIarion]

When framewhisperers voice cracks he starts spitting lyrics from limp bizkit songs. He also did a nice cover of behind blue eyes after losing to a bryan

[@djfusionkotb]

LIKE A CHAINSAW. WHAT!!!

[@walmartian422]

He did it for the nookie

[@melvinshine9841]

That might be the most cursed FrameWhisperer thumbnail, ever, holy shit.

[@Jate7]

Frame will always appreciate more girth.

[@codeineskywalka5691]

I just want to let you know I woke up from the middle of a nap checked KZbin for a split second and saw you posted this video. I was half awake and very confused, I fell back asleep and this thumbnail legitimately haunted me in my dreams. I hope you’re happy with your self.

[@georgecastanza6712]

Bruh turned Reina into Hugh grant musk whisperer

[@leoryzap]

The cynicism is not my favourite. Sure there are problems to sort out and they know that, but saying that they stumbled on a simple to have fun with, difficult to master system by accident is an outlandish take. Regardless this was a really good and helpful video, i have to go and reexamine my combos and see what I can get with this new information

[@Harveeee]

Heat Engager heals a huge amount of recoverable health but definitely NOT ALL of it. Try testing it with a half hp recoverable health and it won't regenerate the full bar. I think it's fixed at a certain amount only.

[@Moqlnkn]

Good video, Frame. Time to list all the stuff you missed / chose not to include: All of your attacks deal 30% of their damage when blocked while you are in Heat mode. Moves that normally cause block damage even outside of Heat follow their own unique rules, though. All block damage, and 70% of damage taken while airborne, is stored as recoverable Gray Damage. Getting hit while standing on the ground is completely "true" unrecoverable damage. You cannot be K.O.'d by blocking an attack. Getting hit by Rage Arts and Wall/Floor Breaks removes all of your Gray Damage, so it's unrecoverable. A few characters also have moves that do this to you regardless. Attacking the opponent on hit or block regenerates chunks of your Gray Damage. Heat Bursts are armored on startup. This is basically identical to regular Power Crushes, which means the armor does not start instantly, and it doesn't work against Lows and Throws. If you get hit during the startup of your Heat Burst, you don't enter Heat mode, and keep your Heat bar. Heat Engagers do NOT regenerate ALL of your Gray Damage - there is a maximum, about 25% of your lifebar. (It's basically all of it, in most cases) Heat Engagers are +17 on hit midscreen, but what happens when the opponent hits the wall depends on the move. Some Engagers start a wall combo. Whether a Heat Dash starts a full juggle or just gives a free hit is related to the STARTUP speed of the Engager used; 14f or faster = no juggle. You can usually also combo into these from certain hits or counter hits, so it's a good balance choice. Heat Dashes are all +5 on block, but they become at least +18 if the opponent is near the wall, with nothing guaranteed. They also take a massive amount of additional block damage when you Heat Dash. Almost every Heat Smash is either a plus-on-block mid, or a punishable low. There are exceptions. If you hit the opponent into a "free hit" state, similar to the state after a 14f or faster Heat Dash, and then use a Heat Dash on that free hit, you cannot continue the combo at all. This includes all "Floor Hits" at the end of wall combos. In general, they really made sure that you absolutely could not continue a combo after getting an unscaled hit, which includes "free hits."

[@haclongthien8680]

Wow, great info.

[@hotcoldman9793]

Silly Frame the big move in heat is called heat Smash not heat crash. I'm gonna spank you now 😮😅

[@LegendaryPlank]

Nice and informative. One little tidbit some folk might not know - Heat Smashes ignore amour, except on Rage Arts. So the beat Power Crushes clean, and even beat Heat Burst if they catch the start up.

[@marcossantos1998]

1. In neutral, incorporate Heat Engagers (Normal hit/Counter hit followup) a. Free mixup & gimmicks b. Heals c. Launchers/Partial combo with Heat Dash if in heat 2. On combos, extend with Heat Burst if needed (wall carry, kill confirm) 3. Situationally use Heat Smashers for punishment (block/whiff) or as heat runs out 4. On round end, pop and cancel HB to not waste heat

[@Section8dc]

Great video Frame, the difference in the health regen between heat engager vs universal heat was something I hadnt noticed, love you buddy, your humor is so my style so I cant wait to see what you have in store lol

[@Oreavs]

Didn’t know about cancelling the Heat Slam! Thanks Frame

[@kinginthenorth1437]

This is off topic but your latest video seems like the logical place to leave a comment for you. I always appreciated your videos on the realities of online play, what ranks mean in the real world in reguard to skill ect. I'm playing Tekken again for the first time in years (you can probably guess at why) and 8 obviously handles points and ranks differently than 7. I'm rusty as hell, can't move well or remember most of my combo routes, nevermind all my neutral tools/tech and there is this whole new mechanic I haven't really learned how to utilize yet. Yet I have the highest rank I've ever had while still progressing upwards. You don't even lose points on a loss in the green ranks which previously were know to be a near inescapable hell that required you to actually get good at the game and learn matchups to even have a chance of getting free of. So I'm really hoping once you have some answers you'll do a video and discuss things like where did Green Rank Hell relocate to? What ranks makes you an above average player? An actually good player? Ect. I can't take any satisfaction in a free promotion to yellow ranks and am curious what the data (when we have some) says about what my actual goals should be and what I should be striving for.

[@FrameWhisperer]

It will be long time before we have numbers to answer those questions. There currently seems to a spike in power around Flame Ruler, but it's probably because a lot of legacy players have not had time to filter through to higher ranks. I plan to get Fujin tonight myself.

[@kinginthenorth1437]

@@FrameWhisperer Thanks for the reply. My guess is hell relocated to yellow or orange, probably orange. But I'll need a few weeks to a couole months to knock the rust off and learn the new match ups before I have my own skill where it should be to guage how good my opposition is.

[@Mr440c]

28:15 for some characters there are alternatives to their heat engagers if you don't want to activate yet. Jin has ff4 and ff2 to pressure from mid range and for i13 after ch 4 he gets either 1+2 or df1,4. First one engages heat the second one does more damage and gives +10. However while having this liberty Jin doesn't get much from his heat mode compared to some other characters. All of his good sutff is spending heat entirely except for easy electrics which is not much of a bonus for me as a Jin main as I can threaten people with that without heat anyway. On the other hand there is Kazuya who gets enhanced ff2 and his devil hellsweep etc. Azucena gets enhanced liberator that can actively retain heat bar if the opponent is scared. Victor has excalibur in heat which is basically multiple use heatsmash given its properties. Oh and Feng gets a safe b1 that gives shoulder on nh. So that's also part of character identity in T8 actually. Some characters want that heat and spend as much time in it as possible. While others (like Jin) are very careful about using it but when they do they want to absolutely obliterate you with very damaging heat smash or enhanced versions of their engagers. EDIT: Jin doesn't even want his heat smash because f3,1 is better as it gives a full combo that will do significantly more damage, impacts 1 frame faster, is 2 more frames plus on block, has a mix up option with f3,3 and is hit confirmable. The only times heat smash is more valuable is when you can use the second version that gives wall splat from big distance that will give a wall combo which leads to over 80 dmg. But you need awareness and some skill for that. Also I forgot his sanchin stance but that's because I don't use it. Personally I don't like it. With that hellsweep you risk with your life. It's not worth it.

[@georgealvarez1195]

Once I started treating it like DI and DR like in SF6, it "clicked" for me

[@t7justkc64]

The thumbnail is so cursed! Hahaha

[@postmortemm_9747]

I hope this video is helpful

[@Trunks47r786]

This was a great video explaining heat especially with regards to using it every round as a free resource.

[@clarkszeto2328]

Informative, insightful, & thorough. You sir are a gentleman and a scholar. Thank you as always~ 🙏

[@Aignith]

Hitting with heat engager doesn't heal all the recoverable damage. It recovers a fix amount.

[@FrameWhisperer]

shhhh

[@FND1337]

Some Great info here ! I finally was able to implement Heat Dash into my Combos. Lot of Potential here in general though ! Thanks

[@theanti-hypemonitor9079]

Love the recent regular uploads!

[@mccollio0909]

Great and informative. It is complex you're right, and nuanced and character specific. The ability to take away white health also diminishes the advantages of going into heat engager somewhat too

[@artsq1550]

Cannot agree of "not what Namco was aiming for". That's exactly what they were aiming - simple on basic level, but complex and deep, if you look closer

[@FrameWhisperer]

Sounds like giving them too much credit. This mechanic and a roster of 31 characters obviously needed way more testing than they were gonna bother with. Adjust it in patches, sure, but a game sold at full price should be finished.

[@artsq1550]

@@FrameWhisperer now you're falling into "white/black division". Sure, I have my share of negatives about both T7 and T8 game balance. But I'm 100% sure that such complexity was intentional. Tekken team has some good mechanics designers. They wanted to make a gamechanger, not "yet another wallbound", so they followed Nintendo principle and made Heat multi-purpose. For newbies it's "press-to-damage" and "press-to-combo" button, for mid-range - some panic move and extra damage, for high-skilled - additional mechanic to work with in depth, expand decision tree. The fact that it's not balanced for everyone... well, even if you totally remove it, same characters who has powerful heat also has strongest out-of-heat moves. So it's a general balance (or, perhaps, marketing) problem. But that doesn't cancel out the fact that someone actually tried to make new mechanic as versatile as possible, and used not only for blind charge into opponent.

[@championredd]

@@FrameWhispererthe game is very finished

[@championredd]

@ex_asperated I don’t even notice what ur talking about 💀

[@championredd]

@ex_asperated u honestly just tryna make shit up

[@KyeCreates]

I LOVE THAT THUMBNAIL 🫡

[@ZeroSleap]

The "universal heat activator" is called Heat Burst.

[@ToastedToast21]

Thanks for the info. I've mostly just been using the heat dash with Feng Iron Fortress into his FF3 cuz it does a fuck-load of damage. Kinda similar to Heihachi's Rage Drive in T7 where he'd do that stomp afterwards and it would CHUNK. I had no idea the other engagers into a dash did different things not gonna lie.

[@artsq1550]

Really glad that you finally looked into it.

[@deathripperx1]

Don't think this was mentioned in the video, might have missed it: During heat, recoverable health is 100% of the combo damage, whereas normally you only get to recover 70% of combo damage. not including the first few natural hits of course.

[@sylehu7056]

Great video Sir. It helped a lot to grasp the big picture

[@sinister2478]

Always has the best guides

[@chudeexiste7329]

my man, you look as if elon musk had a child with hugh grant

[@c16621]

alluding to any similarities to Elon Musk is not a complement.

[@chudeexiste7329]

@c16621 agreed, a complement is a "thing" that contributes extra features to something else in such a way to emphasize or improve it. And it wasn't a compliment either, it was a joke

[@WeMissDimebag]

Don’t know how I feel about this mechanic yet tbh. On some characters it feels really obvious and intuitive how you’re supposed to utilize their heat moves and those feel awesome to play. Other characters it feels really ambiguous what it’s for. Like he been playing Asuka, Jin and Law, and on Asuka it’s really obvious what it’s for, but on Law I feel almost like I’m missing moves? The nunchucks getting buffed is cool but Law doesn’t have scary lows to induce crouching so having a big safe mid launcher doesn’t really do that much for him. Auto-parry seems cool but he still doesn’t have a scary low from DSS so it’s not a powerful offensive option. Then Jin has power stance into Omen, but you have to be literally on top of them to make them block it, and then he doesn’t have a strong mid from that either. So I have no idea how I’m supposed to get value out of heat on either of them besides their smashes (which are really good), whereas characters like King, Raven, Alisa, Leo, Jak etc. seem to get really large buffs.

[@mohamedtanakim5901]

The best thumbnails on youtube

[@SzyszuPL]

Actually, there is a cap on how much health you can recover with heat engager, still quite the amount

[@ladrellhart2063]

I'm back Frames. Nice video bro.

[@HaradaSayingAno]

Damn, furamu in 4K ?

[@FrameWhisperer]

Thanks for noticing unlike these Reina playing peasants in the comments saying I look like Elon Musk in the thumbnail even though that's clearly Hugh Grant lol ffs.

[@artsq1550]

20:20 Now we're talking!

[@FrameWhisperer]

Appreciate the advice but it's hilarious how clearly you work for Namco bro like rofl are you actually Murray? Stop looking at Twitter and nerf Dragunov ffs.

[@Section8dc]

​@@FrameWhisperer"and Nerf Dragunov"😂😂

[@CaptainYesz]

Amazing details I didn't know!

[@merc9nine]

It looks like Huge Grant

[@afrazyazdani8996]

14:34 can you actually confirm that’s how it works. Caz with being that plus isn’t helping some of the other characters land the heat. lol.

[@JameboHayabusa]

Its probably not an optimal strategy at all, but ive been learning Jun and ive been saving my heat for when i hit rage and then try to get all my grey health back. Its cost me quite a few games but when it works you can juat aee the opponent start to freeze up, its hilarious.

[@octo3167]

Jun is cancerous

[@afrazyazdani8996]

This was really educational 💪🏽

[@PK-ow1kj]

That thumbnail... bruh 😂

[@Hayfever33]

I thought that was Hugh grant in the thumbnail

[@hysteria2256]

vVey good and valuable guide. Thx PS when Raven breakdown? ;)

[@Displatcher]

Can the heat engager used within a combo to get a tornado/spin be used after you have already hit a tornado/spin to get a 2nd one to extend the carry/damage or does it drop out and give a different fall away on the opponent so you cannot hit?

[@Wombola]

Nice guide frame

[@Ampersandersson]

Shaheen bros, could this be a hint for a future video/guide?

[@Guitar-Dog]

Thumbnail looks a little like Elon musk

[@duggyfresh8899]

Ware the stocks no longer a thing like they were before the game came out?

[@runayswarts970]

Yes

[@anthonychase6906]

It was too broken

[@runayswarts970]

No you do not recover all of your recoverable health if you land a heat engager

[@abhishekvalsangkar]

Can Zafina use it to punish a -12 low? I think it should be possible.

[@xal927]

no stream today?

[@FrameWhisperer]

Not tonight, I've learned the importance of rest.

[@ZiyaB3ast]

2:40 unless you own a cheat box :)

[@cache3938]

So heat is a install for every character

[@CosmicVoid420]

Brother what in the fck is that thumbnail??

[@chadafiy]

I like heat but visually it looks like stink lines and the dash looking like fadc sucks aswell.

[@FishGlove2024]

Why did you put Karl Jobst face on Reina?

[@manjibean4015]

Has anyone fought a shaheen in the wild yet?

[@kasufert]

I've fought one in the wild and one in captivity (my friend is a shaheen main)

[@falo4043]

I fought two actually, had literally perfect fundamentals and just won through poking and defense. The other one abused his guard break with heat that guarantes DB2 which does 40 dmg and takes ALL your grey health and also spammed UF1 which is plus on block, cancelable and heat engager

[@jjlw2378]

Shaheen is great in T8. Retained all of his poking abilities but gained even more substantial mixup potential. Quite strong and fun to play!

[@manjibean4015]

Like 15 hours of ranked, currently in red rank not fought one Shaheen yet. According to my experience the roster is; Hwoarang Azcucena Reina Devil jin Victor In no particular order, but fighting anyone else is a rare treat

[@laine1967]

Got one actually good Shaheen at purples. Had crazy flow with oki slide. He looks like a cool character.

[@thatblindtekkenwarrior1177]

Within the first minute I disagree with you LOL. Yes Namco want the game to be easily accessible. But that doesn't mean they don't want it to be complicated at the high end. Easy to learn hard to master. That's what they're going for. Not just dumb it down to make it easy.

[@FrameWhisperer]

Don't give them too much credit mate. We know for a fact that they have nothing but contempt for us.

[@thatblindtekkenwarrior1177]

@@FrameWhisperer yeah, but they keep giving me two bears every game. So I can't really stay mad at them. Good video though, I did actually learn a lot. I had no idea that Jack could extend his combo in heat with b1+2. I knew about the knockdown and the guaranteed ground follow-up. I didn't realise the properties changed if you did it in the middle of a combo while in heat, so cheers for that.

[@tonisnooker]

Finally offline videos like before yay!🎉

[@robsthedon]

👍

[@DoctahDizzle]

I love pixelized women in heat! Is it just me?

[@OzirV1000]

God this system is so convoluted and stupid

[@clarencetuurngait7628]

Yes it is

[@runayswarts970]

Would have been better if heat just buffed some moves instead of having the dash and smash too

[@defmos630]

GIRTH

[@hectorchainlock6953]

Why do you say girth…. The way you say it…. My guy! Sug av…. 🤭

[@tuwds]

Just in time 🥸