How Hoyoshills Ruined Genshin Impact

[@redfoxakame]

As an HSR shill, I am BEGGING for people to criticize the game like PLEASE! Sh*t on it! We've had a good run but the devs have been lacking recently. I need the game to keep improving like it used to.

[@ziephel-6780]

What is this anomaly?!

[@ninahana2793]

Agreed. Had to waste 200+ saved pulls for the 3 Amphoreus husbando on friggin Herta that I had no interest in whatsoever, but knowing how powercreep works in HSR, I was gonna be doomed for a while if I didn't get the designated Meta character, esp. with the husbandos (my main interest) being 90% Imaginary and rarely ever good supports. Being forced to pull for characters you don't vibe with is absolute bs. I'm thinking appt quitting HSR after Amphoreus because it's just pointless to play if all characters are rendered useless after a year or so.

[@asti38]

@@ziephel-6780 THIS!

[@Maerclyn]

An HSR shill who genuinely wants the game to improve

[@eumeliaria7081]

Who are you? And how do we protect you??? What voodoo do we have to do to ensure your safety? 😂

[@soratenshi2847]

the biggest genshin haters are the hoyo shills, cause they simply dont want their game to improve, its a sabotage

[@wave4acc-c9j]

oh someone realize this

[@BeurreDeMichel]

To be honest the primogems after patch is even worst then that, the next patch ( 1.5) has about 57 earnable pulls. the " new year gift" is just stolen primo's from following patches.

[@algozord]

if you did all quest exploration and stuff in pot, to milk all free primos there's no chance to save in one patch more than 50-60 pulls, If you lose your 50/50 you're fucked

[@megugao]

cant get more evil than that no cap

[@noahi.1381]

Speaking as a former GI player, a launch HSR player, and a launch WuWa returnee... Please excuse the yapfest, but I need to let this out... What basically happened to Genshin was a loss of direction, for BOTH HOYO AND THE PLAYERS. I had a gut feeling when I first joined GI and saw the Travail vid that Natlan had ZERO direction. And I was right. Fontaine was where the dying star of GI shone bright before Natlan killed its hype with its out-of-pocket character designs. Plus, the chokehold of repetitive content and yapfest of exploration and Paimid was already killing GI. Sumeru and Fontaine's region designs and OSTs were honestly hardcarrying GI from an early death in Inazuma. And the historic wackiness of Lantern Rite was honestly a fire alarm dressed like a Chinese lantern. For HSR, it COULD head in the same lack of direction, but thankfully, endgame players and CCs (save for those like Brant and Pokke) have enough braincells to realize that HSR is objectively getting toxic with its endgame experience and new-screenshot-number combat instead of BUILDING THE WHOLE EXPERIENCE (map design, GETTING THE VAs BACK, ease of movement REGARDLESS OF CHARACTERS, etc.). I really hope HSR hears us out, otherwise they'll ironically lose their biggest market: Dolphins and low-spenders like me. Finally, WuWa. Sadly I couldn't hang around for 1.2-1.4 because I had storage issues on my device TT, but I always kept in touch with the community. WuWa, regardless of its rough start, had two focal points in its game design: *REWARDING SKILL and ACCESSIBILITY* WuWa rewards skill not only in rewards, but also in satisfying gameplay and just basically A BETTER EXPERIENCE and PLAYER-DRIVEN PROGRESSION, regardless of spending level. As for accessibility, you see this in WuWa's exploration design, the quick responses to surveys, the combat, Rinascita in general, and channels like Glaive's and yours that keep the community and devs constructive and reactive for each other's benefit. WuWa isn't just a worthy competitor to Hoyo in general. It's a constructive rival to Hoyo THAT DESERVES TO STAND ON ITS OWN. From here on out, I'm definitely gonna stay more updated on WuWa compared to HSR. You're also right about Day 1 HSR. It was a whole different experience from HSR now, and is the reason I spent in HSR. Yeah... that's pretty much all I have to say. Congrats to anyone who took the time to read this. Questions are welcome. P.S. I have not spent a cent on Genshin, even though I played since 1.1 (I stopped after finishing the Fontaine Archon Quest in 4.2).

[@dficwriter]

I spent in total abt 500-700$ on genshin and regret it deeply. 3.0 made me consider quitting hsr which I only play for half a year. Hoyo lazyness truly shines when their games become popular. At first I wanted to join hsr because it was a better game where devs listened at least somewhat and now… Fuck Amphoreus. The quest where they mock players who complain abt storytelling is VERY indicative of how much they “care” for the playerbase. They don’t. They made a 10 hour yapfest with static dialogue and shills praise them. There is no hope for this game to become better.

[@Aleksandr_Tararin]

I'm pretty sure that "biggest market" is always whales. If you meant "biggest playerbase" then sure, but whales usually cover more than half of total earnings.

[@alexmalmax8076]

Hello, another former GI player here. I can say that Sumeru and Natlan was a literal black hole for me. Both for exploration and yapfest. At least Fontane was enjoyable, even had yapfest as well

[@EmanatorOfRemembrance]

I gree, genshin isn't the best game we hoped it would be. The overall direction the game has taken with Natlan simply proves that. I do find it odd there are those who refuse to see the drop in quality of the game, not just the story but the narrative as well. Question, do you see yourself returning to game, maybe when a major region like snez drops. Will you perhaps find it as reason to come back?

[@alexmalmax8076]

@@EmanatorOfRemembranceif it'll be second Natlan by story and/or 2nd Dragonspine by exploration - then the answer is obvious

[@k-jellrl]

Ladies with gentle hands

[@yancaban4197]

I'm dying that by mistake he says this 😂

[@Tomil4444]

​@@yancaban4197when or where he say this xd

[@Gheniel_]

Again bru😭

[@D_enDAionNoEien]

Wtf 🤣

[@Aerrow09]

I remembered that goddamn Drake insta vid and idk why

[@froeloe]

*⁠it blows my mind that 5 years in genshin, and still nothing with these:* 1. access to buy previous 4* event weapons _(HSR has this)_ 2. skip buttons for dialogue scenes _(ZZZ & WUWA have this)_ 3. artifact loadouts _(WUWA is about to release echo loadouts)_ 4. double artifact drops event _(not just double leyline and double talent books drops event)_ _(HSR, ZZZ & WUWA have this)_ 5. claim weekly boss drops 3x a week from the same weekly boss of our choice_ _(WUWA & HSR have this)_ 6. inter-conversion of weekly boss drops into another drop of a different boss _(Example: 1 Dvalin drop + 1 Boreas drop + (Solvent) = 1 Apep drop)_ _(HSR has this)_ 7. conversion of overworld boss drops into other overworld boss drops _(HSR has this)_ 8. daily respawn of overworld ascension level-up mats _(WUWA has this)_ 9. resin reserve overflow system _(ZZZ, WUWA & HSR have this)_ 10. no day-locked domains for artifacts/mats _(HSR & WUWA have done this)_ 11. Katheryne tab so we don’t have to go to her to claim commission rewards every single day _(WUWA & HSR have this)_ 12. fix layout of Teapot furniture buying list. it’s vertically sooooo long. 13. better rerun banner system 14. portable crafting bench so we can craft condensed resin or anything anywhere _(HSR & WUWA have this)_ - There are more for sure. But these are the ones I can think of. - If you’re a Genshin player, fan or not, wouldn’t you want these QoL changes implemented in Genshin?

[@generalalatusfallingin]

All of these are so good!! To add to the better character rerun system, chronicled banners should last an entire patch or reset every few patches so players can plan their pulls better and guarantee the characters they want. If only GI listened to their player base more…

[@crazhsyyy]

These are so good that Hoyo won't even bother adding it because they are lazy.. Genshin could never.. GENSHIN WILL NEVER EVER

[@daruinosui7782]

mf woke up and decided to speak fluent faxx

[@stormer2349]

A lot of these are very much needed QoL, nice list! 6, 8 and 9 feel like non issues to me though. They feel a bit forced, just for the sake of comparison. 9 is debatable, but I'd rather have improvements to condensed resin, rather than a whole new system like the other games. I also like having to go to the crafting bench, and go to Katheryne. Tedious as it might be, I'm completely okay with it because it's at least integrated into the lore, and it's integrated well. I like a lot of the ways that Genshin flavours gameplay aspects with lore, and so I'm happy to click a few extra buttons, for more cohesiveness and meaning to my daily actions. The alchemy stuff in Genshin in particular is very juicy.

[@Danny-mp8dq]

You forget Fix banners (ZZZ has banners lasting all patch long, and HSR has triple banners now) Exploration (WuWa has an actual flying glider and a grappling hook. Genshin locked this behind Natlan characters) Better animations (see ZZZ and WuWa) Track ascension materials (WuWa has had this since release, and Genshin just now added this) Build Tracker (added to late) Instant teleportation to boss (WuWa has this) Synthesize from the main menu (HSR and WuWa) Better artifact crafting (HSR) Still no skip button (ZZZ and WuWa) WEAPON BANNERS STILL AREN'T SEPERATED OR GUARANTEED (HSR with segregated weapon banners and WuWa with guaranteed weapon banners)

[@jclspice]

This video is great. I used to be a hoyo shill and actually used all these excuses to justify how shitty genshin was becoming. Then I tried WuWa, and realized, oh! Gacha can be premium! Fuck hoyo! They don't get another penny from me

[@OtakuCulture-69]

Amen

[@Jellostyle]

You should try Zenless Zone Zero. That game is the best game Hoyo has ever put out. Not even Genshit can compete.

[@AlbertNongmaithem-bj7jo]

​@@Jellostyle For now...

[@DJSMedeiros]

​​@@Jellostyle nah, i don't trust Hoyo anymore, they already ruinned 3 games with their greed, ZZZ very likely to be the next on the list, 1.5 already show signs with the quality of the story dropping and big red flags regarding powercreep. Never touching any hoyo game ever again, even if they release a amazing game i know they will ruin it later

[@MYWanCh]

​@@DJSMedeiros relatable

[@Nadran4444]

Am I worried that WuWa could have bad powercreep in the future? Yes. Is it 100% because I'm traumatized by all the other gachas I've played? Absolutely.

[@NLGogeta]

Powercreep won’t happen so don’t fear it, there’s a reason why Kuro Games made Nightmare Echos (unless they stop creating them) then we’re screwed.

[@ChaseYu]

Powercreep? I watched a video of someone playing Danjin vs the hologram AI robot boss on blindfold yesterday! Powercreep only exists when all the Danjin main can no longer capable of solo bullying the bosses 😂

[@nguyenngoi793]

If they decide to make 3 quintillion hp and 99% dmg res mobs to sell characters then yes. This could be seen in their earlier game PGR. That takes of yours, we need more time to know.

[@Thick-xia]

In my opinion, powercreep will come eventually but hopefully that doesn't make player die hard untill the characters become unplayable like other games. Looking at the character that release, maybe the term "powercreep" will come with different tech, mechanic, and potential team building in the future. If that's the case, maybe the player don't even see that as powercreep but just some new fresh gameplay or different way to enjoy the game. 😅

[@TheGarageFreak]

Powercreep in WuWa, will only happen if People start talking how bad Danjin got nerfed and can't clear ToA and Holograms solo. That's when Powercreep will happen.

[@cherozkiahyusof4902]

Until now Pokke still got no ball to call out Glaivekiyo 😂😂😂😂

[@Shhh_94]

He's knows that he will get rekt by him 💀 he doesn't want that fob treatment 😂

[@imcat1236]

Genshills : Because he doesn't want drama. in saintontas voice 🤣🤣🤣

[@Takodachii1727]

Kiyo really hasnt said anything wrong so if pokke attacked #2 kurobot, #1 kuro bot will rekt him

[@nguyenngoi793]

People in 2025 rank Kurobot but forget Rexlent exists

[@fouadhalim2341]

Well nobody give a fuck abt rexlant ​@@nguyenngoi793

[@creckonic]

don't let glaivekiyo distract you from the fact that bran online is distracting you from the fact that doro44 is distracting you from the fact that gacha smack is distracting you from the fact that tectone is distracting you from the fact that jenazad is distracting you from the fact that captaincabinetz is distracting you from the fact mtashed is distracting you from the fact that hexjuice is distracting you from the fact legionzgaming is distracting you from the fact that saintontas got a pink shirt on

[@WuwaLegion]

Alright, bud, I think it's time you give the internet a break

[@D_enDAionNoEien]

Dude go touche le grassion ...🤣🗿

[@mikoajbaszczyszyn4568]

Don't let Saint's pink shirt distract you from the fact Tectone is bald

[@zacksoclean]

i wasted time ill never get back reading this

[@Intothevoidforever]

Give me my 10 second backkkkkkkkk

[@ChiaraArbiter]

hoyoverse putting the free 20 pulls on the second half was a strategy they used to guarantee players to use their credit card to pull for Mavuika and Citlali

[@DartNguyen]

:)) so they need dont give anything instead:)

[@Yukiwae]

and they made it so u get all the rewards after 12 days 💀💀

[@ninahana2793]

I skipped both cause I don't like either of them. Arlecchino >>>>>>>> Mavuika

[@jacktheripper7935]

And funny thing is, Mavuika is the least pulled archon and made less than many other banners.

[@pitchblack9053]

Many said it was for the Chinese new year celebration

[@Pun1819]

i remember in wuwa 1.0 a lot of people complain that the story is ass, and wuwa community agrees and not says "its a gatcha game" and because of that kura give as skip button and a summarize or what were skipping so we dont have to be stuck on a boring ass story, i know its not the best solution but atleast its the much faster one

[@noahi.1381]

And the way WuWa stepped up so hard in 2.0 that I even forgot about the skip quest feature XD (I was one of those 1.0 players)

[@hacchiyotsuba]

Well it is for the global release but ngl the beta is 🔥 sad the CN community didn't like it I mean look at Crownless Kick

[@__Senpai_XD__]

​@@hacchiyotsubasometimes i feel kuro listens too much😂. Old crownless was the goat tbh but well cant dream of things we cant have.

[@Danny-mp8dq]

I remember playing WuWa during 1.0 as a former Genshin player and was legitimately shocked that people were holding Kuro accountable They immediately took to Twitter to apologize and slowly but surely took their time to fix the game Even now, we're getting new and highly requested features like Echo loadouts, Nightmare Echo sets, resource tracking, build guides etc Aka things that have been requested for another unnamed gacha game for over 4 YEARS

[@TheZombie2415]

The skip feature is still useful for dailies that you have done multiple times. Otherwise I don't use it lol

[@imcat1236]

Genshills : We play gacha games not for the gacha, but for the story and good gameplay. Hehe sure 😂

[@Player_brianx10]

Example of "Good lore, bad representation"

[@mr.edelweiss]

There was a video a few months(or weeks) ago talking about "You should write Better Lore than Better World building." and my mind goes to Genshin Impact about "Lore" and I said, "Yeah right..." ​@Player_brianx10

[@kenchen704]

I think Genshin’s story could have been so good but stupid Paimon and lazy asf devs ruined it, a shame!

[@imcat1236]

​@@kenchen704 I like the stories in Genshin. But everything other than that is rubbish. Especially the combat gameplay.

[@belliebeltran4657]

@@imcat1236 Stories in Genshin isn't bad, but it's terrible compared to just reading an epic fantasy book which takes just as much time to read a bunch of chapters than reading their terrible dialogues and characterization of characters. I want a SKIP button because Genshin's story does not meet my standards on story and storytelling--and I like its unique combat from traditonal RPGS and JRPGs. Exploration is decent too. Is that too much to ask?

[@davidcoso1179]

I am lucky that the Spanish community's CCs are at least objectives about the game. Put Putupau as an example, the biggest gacha YT/streamer, he's always telling both good and bad things about all the games he plays, even though payed. In fact Hoyoverse removed him for 2 entire years from the CC program because of the facts he was telling in videos and on stream.

[@dandyshark6094]

what people forget is 1. Genshin dev confirm they want the game for casual and no more endgame , and just recycle content event and mostly kid puzzle 2. People who defend hoyo dont know what make game is good because they themself never play any other game and their first gacha is genshin 3. We talking to the wall who only know genshin and hoyo game 4. Actually smart people can be discuss with and i meet some of them but most of the time toxic guy meet the other toxic guy making it difficult to actually having conversation in the end of the day, we need someone who can voice our concern to hoyo but it is what it is, 4 year with minimum quality of hoyo just saddening.

[@alexmalmax8076]

Don't forget: they're planning to create Genshin 2

[@onlineresident2174]

they want game to be casual then drop the worst spiral abyss floors after natlan to force players to pull for natlan characters

[@invictus_sham]

@@onlineresident2174 exactly, also, can you source me where they said genshin is a casual game, officially?

[@riel0563]

I think the difference between what is called a Hoyoshill and a Kurobot, is that most of the people I see being called Kurobots are likely to abandon WuWa the moment they start acting like a Hoyo game. I'm sure there will be a lot of actual bots defending it to no end, but for now, it seems that many wouldn't be afraid to jump ship the moment they see or get close to an iceberg.

[@152mmapfsds]

Just saying, when a new game sets a higher bar every other game should see that as standard from that point on. There's no reason to be bad on purpose

[@Max-hc9vu]

Genshin is the definition of Sunk Cost Fallacy

[@noahi.1381]

It should be a modern textbook example at this point

[@froeloe]

@@noahi.1381 i actually agree.

[@daruinosui7782]

literal sunk cost fallacy of no return

[@AxelStr023]

Ngl applying "it's a gacha game" in other subjects is funny to a point it's getting ridiculous they use it as a defense for gacha games mediocrity when we know they can do better. "I got food poisoning" "It's a gacha game what do you expect" "That movie is so bad" "It's a gacha game what do you expect" "My father left for milk" "It's a gacha game what do you expect" "My child got an F in every subject" "It's a gacha game what do you expect" "My spouse cheated on me" "It's a gacha game what do you expect"

[@daruinosui7782]

it is a nice mantra to replace my "it is what it is"

[@shahilrai7697]

i could say i have done all genshin quest but the truth is I paid someone to complete it all for me so that i can spend more time on WuWa

[@alexmalmax8076]

Bruh, literally the same, but I'm the one who completing quests, tho, just for context - I already played everything on my own acc until Natlan, so skip button still needed, no matter what hoyoshills say😂 And I rest in WW and I'm glad that Kuro doesn't betray themselves (yet)

[@Patpig10]

If you want a laught the first event of 3.0 is a recycle of every puzzle that's in the overworld. Nothing big, nothing speical just a lazy event for a boring update if you're not building anyone.

[@sagefowler1180]

I left a long comment on a video you posted yesterday about this exact type of content perpetuating drama across communities being harmful for WuWa’s success, and within 12hrs you posted a perfect example of what I was talking about

[@northstar67]

Cant believe I wasted my time in this Dev Forsaken game. Like I genuinely want them to improve but they just wont listen, its infuriating.

[@steven-jamesfritz3634]

16:39 *laughs in solo alto and danjin combat* wuwa doesn't even need 5 star units to clear the hardest content while hoyo power creeping everything

[@noelrakman9641]

At 3:00 , what u says here is exactly what Tenha did during the boycott genshin era, so it isn't something new. Btw the dude almost joined Atsu and Envy.

[@Leonie_0845]

My favorite Genshin fans L take was "wuwa give so little for their players genshin will give us a free limited 5 star charakter in the new year event" 😂😂😂😂😂😂

[@hacchiyotsuba]

LoL so little that we get a S tier Limited event character for free and guaranteed standard banner character as well as weapon

[@Danny-mp8dq]

Capitano dead. Iansan MIA. Natlan's terribly worldbuilding. The storytelling falling off of a freaking cliff Hoyoshills: "This is fine."

[@SageRuffin]

Iansan... the one character I was excited for SINCE 2020 and her release feels like more like a pipe dream by the day. Not to mention she's the only character from that story trailer that... didn't really DO anything in the AQ. It's hard to stay motivated at this point. I just don't care about anything else in Natlan. If she somehow avoids the "X.5 Curse(TM)", I'll be surprised.

[@Gab-tc2mr]

Iansan after carrying Natlan(she barely did anything):

[@ceobricks7458]

Speaking as genshin fans genshin is very bad and have bad naration but they improve the naration of world quest and archon quest but its not engouh to become one the best game they need to add 70 other quality of life i hope mihoyo will improve the game with the 6.0. and i hope the people will read this will be understand i d'ont speak good english

[@deej8979]

As someone that stopped playing Genshin after Mauvika's announcement and seeing the pattern of upcoming characters, it just made me extremely sad how directionless Natlan feels as a region and the weird character designs. I just find it hard to justify just how much disconnect the region is from the past regions, while I see a ton of other players defend that Natlan is a great region, then good for them, but after playing Love and Deepspace, I saw how well the devs were able to create a main story and event related stories to the characters. The grind to level up characters didn't have that traumatizing powercreep, and the rewards are insane.

[@qelluc]

> exploration gatelocked behind world quest argument. Do we ignore the top right island in Rinascita that is impossible to explore since there is a literal storm wall until you do three puzzles and a short quest because… why? Because the quest’s length is incomparable to Aranara in Genshin? I mean, yeah, true, but saying that there is no gatekeeping exploration behind quests in Wuwa is disengenious if we are not criticizing this particular instance in Wuwa.

[@Migi218]

Wait, is this fr?

[@qelluc]

@ You could easily verify it if you haven’t 100% Rinascita yet. Top right island, north of Tacet Field of Carlotta’s echoes. Just try to fly there - you’ll get teleported away and be notified that the storm blew you away or something. The storm is broken by a relatively short quest with a turned off Mt. Firmament-like construct right before the entrance to the island. If I remember it right the last flying challenge is located on that island. If you haven’t completed it yet, the event page should say that you need to complete a specific quest to gain access to it.

[@cynthiahembree3957]

Saintontas conveniently doesn't mention when WuWa does the same things Hoyo does.

[@Zip_bomb]

I want a rap battle between kurobots vs hoyoshills

[@dttorress3298]

My standard is if my waifu can't compete with the newest character I'll quit. I've quit every hoyo game ( just recently quit zzz becasue Ellen).

[@iamcurious_id]

PHOEBE WHEN?

[@kilo1901]

Next patch, but I don’t know if she or Brant is releasing first.

[@LUCAS420BLZ]

Phoebe is probably first

[@rikimaru_snow_production]

​@@kilo1901afaik she goes first

[@grymns]

2.1

[@iamcurious_id]

i see

[@NotComrade69]

dont let the word hoyoshill make you forget Bobby Lee is making the video.

[@Snzn_7]

Gacha carbon copy of Bobby lee

[@peli8luca]

I was able to save up for 1 weapon and 3 character (and losing all of them then got them early lol) with skipping only one version's banners in wuwa. Although I lost my 50/50, I feel good cause I didn't need to save for half a year the have all of that. I think its cool, but i wish I won them to have 2 more weapons

[@wheretao6960]

Ellen powercreep isnt shocking at all. Zzz doesnt have a lot of character elemtn and type combinations to begin with nor does it have a reaction system to diversify niches. Much like how Klee was powercrept by Hu Tao in terms of being a pyro dps in Genshin. Besides that, Miyabi is an archon/herrscher level character so she was expected to be broken. The rest of the upcoming characters in ZZZ are absolutely not Miyabi level.

[@EyelessAugust]

Isn’t Ellen the first limited S rank too? The first limiteds usually don’t last long

[@Nadran4444]

You know, I genuinely enjoy the core gameplay of HSR. It's not groundbreaking, but it is still fun (for me). That's exactly why I care so much about the bad direction it's taking. I completely agree that the biggest critics tend to be the ones most invested in the game.

[@basic_2004]

Don't let glaivekiyo distract you from that bobby lee is reacting to he's vid.

[@labrosmit7365]

Hey isn't wuwa literally using basically the same predatory techniques as genshin. Dailies, some ''free'' primogems (there never really are free primos, you pay with your Time in these games and then money) and many other things like these. Of course wuwa is a lot better than the hoyo games in a lot of stuff (especially listening to feedback and stuff) but it's still a gacha game. Saint from the content I've seen from you i like your guides and stuff but to me you seem like the doro44 of wuthering waves during videos like these. You're rightfully criticizing hoyo games but these problems you're talking about exist in basically every gacha game wuwa included but you're talking about it like it's some sort of godsend and a gift to the people. I will say again that wuwa is way more friendly to players than genshin but it also has problems like having trash 4 star weapons incentivizing players to pull for 5 star weapons as well (that's why there is no 50/50 on weapon banner in my opinion, makes you think it's worth it to pull on it). I'd recommend everyone to watch ''The real cost of gacha games'' by yakkocmn to kind of understand how these games control you. He says it way better than me. The problems this youtuber talks about in this video exist in wuwa as well but you are ignoring it.

[@C.Moore46]

Then what do you want from all F2P Gacha games that still expecting to get profit at the end of day?

[@Etherwinter]

One of my favourite things is Genshin/Hoyo players being quick to criticize other games. From character designs to gameplay, without the slightest hint that their favourite games either do the exact the same thing, or do them worse. One of my favourite "critiques" from a Genshin player is that WuWa's designs (even 2.0) are bad because they tell you nothing about the characters.

[@tinkily23]

I got both Miyabi and Ellen in ZZZ both when they released, but I haven't really felt the powercreep for Ellen herself (no signature weapon, just second event weapon for the stat stick). If anything I felt indirect buffs with Astra on the team and she's more engaging to play than Miyabi. It's anecdotal and isolated as my account and experience, but I haven't felt any of the early units going downhill. What *I* think they're trying to do is give players options and letting you mix and match as opposed to Genshin's team being tied to the same 3 units and screwing over old units like HSR, and the fact that one of the 5 stars was completely free also helped a lot with having some variety for end game content.

[@schobaxt.8781]

The only reason to play genshin is the modding community.

[@truck_0097]

Private servers and mods lmao.

[@kilo1901]

Dammit Saint, I thought this was Bran’s video. I thought Bran was about to drop some accountability on Hoyo and Hoyofans.

[@froeloe]

Bran is incapable of that. 😂

[@kilo1901]

@ Imagine if he did though.

[@stormer2349]

Ironic because he actually did. Check out his most recent video. He basically calls out all the people who were criticising him for calling 5.4 mid, and says people get too touchy over discussing and criticising Genshin. Idk why he gets lumped into the hoyoshill basket lol, he's more than happy to criticise the game where he wants.

[@kilo1901]

@stormer2349 Oh I saw that Video and good on him.

[@cyugon5716]

I never thought of it that way. Genshin rly fed up my brain to think its my fault that i cant get a char. I also only did the char quests that where needed for the main story the rest is still untouched. I didnt do the wuwa char quests bc i feared theyre just the same as genshins but after this video im gonna do them! i accidentally walked into carlottas quest and was suprised shes there at the beginning.

[@elinamanansi5508]

I don't like ppl shitting on hoyo really. I just want ppl to quit their game and never talk about them ever again. Idaf to criticize, I have no plan to play their game even if they fix all the problem. So if ppl still shitting on the game it means there are some ppl who care and hoyo shill should be grateful for that.

[@froeloe]

“sunk cost fallacy” prevents this from happening. it’s hopeless, really.

[@mandzph]

As they say, the opposite of love isn't hate, it's apathy. If people think that outrage is bad, then try imagining a timeline where a Hoyo game releases a banner and is met with absolute silence because even ccs didn't bother.

[@ellielauta9567]

​@@mandzphliterally heaven

[@ArthurShotgun]

​@@mandzphthat would be ideal. Genshit is so boring and bland it deserves no discussion. Just silence

[@ZeHoovy2595]

A gacha being talked about like: " [insert game and genre] feels like it just happened to be a gacha " is basically the highest praise you could give to a gacha game ever

[@the_delusional_dreamer]

Might drop HSR for AK:Endfield soon, spent quite a bit so I kinda regret it, but it’s best if I just treat it as a expensive vacation I don’t enjoy half way through it

[@iceebearr]

2:14 i want to delete genshin for this fuking 20 pull .. it's just fukingggg 20 pull .. i can't wait 15 fuking day's for this 20 pulls .. i am f2p .. i hate this more and more now I love wuwa ..

[@pitchblack9053]

When those rewards were announced and people freaked out, some people defended it with: “The annual Chinese New Years handouts are handed out... during the Chinese New Year?”

[@jacktheripper7935]

Oh yeah, JUST THE DAY AFTER the scummiest banner ever lmao.

[@xuanhiepluong4798]

Just when he upload this video, wuwa already give us 10 pull 10 hour ago

[@AlbertNongmaithem-bj7jo]

Wait they did ( I haven't played for today)

[@xuanhiepluong4798]

@@AlbertNongmaithem-bj7jo 3 phase, first phase 1 800, rest is 400

[@Savasvania]

When I did play Genshin I did do ALL the hangouts. I have a completion problem. That being said, I also have a second monitor that saved me for a bunch of the boredom. The second monitor is probably the only reason I made it a year in HSR.

[@theragainbaga]

Bobby Lee

[@yancaban4197]

Hoyo has Mr. Pokke, we have Mr. Lee 🔥

[@Zaid2k2]

Mr.Jokke ????

[@OmegaBladeAlpha]

It's great that Bronya and Sparkle are just completely binned now. Truly. I am struggling to find the motivation to even start the new Amphoreous quests. I'm almost certainly dropping Star Rail soon.

[@froeloe]

i did the Amphoreus quest. 8 hours. probably longer-i don’t know anymore. I lost sense of time-not because it was amazing, but because of just wanting it to end. It was exhausting. i found my self most of the time saying, “when is this gonna finish?” I was also groaning in every room when there was a new tutorial for another puzzle. Had to do the puzzles or you won’t be able to continue the story. The puzzles were too much imo. If i’m just exploring, puzzles are fine. If i’m doing a main story quest, puzzles should be minimized. Too much of them ruins the main story quest for me. It’s like the puzzles became the main ingredient of the story. And i think Amphoreus needed more “show, don’t just tell” situations, especially for an introductory patch of a new planet. show the lore, not just tell it. there were so many instances of black screens with sentences on them, and the walls of text from dialogues… omg. at least use more static images or still art to show what’s happening or depict an interesting scene. when the Amphoreus quest was finished, i was like “glad that’s over.” And then i didn’t touch HSR for 3 days after that.

[@edreanhenrytombaga562]

Not every character was like Bennett, but then over time, you just feel he's becoming more like Diluc

[@YojimboBlade]

Hello, thanks for the video. In regards to the issue regarding powercreep in ZZZ: yes Miyabi outdamages Ellen, that is undeniable. However, saying Ellen is therefore "unplayable" shows you have not spent anytime looking at the content they've released and the rewards for them. Granted, I've played Zenless the most out of WuWa and Hoyo games, but I play a free-to-play Billy, the 4*DPS everyone said at launch was weak, and many videos from myself and other mains prove otherwise. Since they've introduced Deadly Assault, you are required to have up to 3 teams. And guess what? If two bosses are weak to Ice, can you put Miyabi on two teams? Of course not. And even then, each boss has a different mechanic they incentivize that to play around, meaning even if Miyabi deals more damage, Ellen can score just fine because she's a better fit against that boss. Finally, what are your rewards for clearing the highest difficulty? Absolutely nothing. You get all your good "monetary" rewards at 6-stars, the middle level. In the limited-timd Battle Tower, nothing after Floor 15 gives Polychromes, meaning there's no reason to go past that floor for rewards if it's too hard. Of course, there have been the "did you get Miyabi" bosses, and those are harder to beat without her, but you never have to do well against them to get all the good rewards. In Deadly Assault, the difference between a 6-star clear from a 9-star clear is ~135k Dennies, which is less than 120 Battery. That's absolutely worthless. Now granted, this could all change, I'm wary that it could happen slowly but surely and I will be the first one to call it out. But to say Ellen is therefore "unplayable" is a lie, and it hurts your reputation when you say that. Especially when they just introduced Lost Void, a mode designed for people who play Ellen to enjoy playing her even more with mode-specific buffs that make her even stronger and cooler to use. You are absolutely right about Genshin and HSR, Blade players deserve a refund, lol. Zenless hasn't gotten close to those levels YET, but it's very possible. They've also added in a bunch of other modes for regular, casual players that are actually better for the game's health. That's why I'm not ready to raise an alarm for Zenless. But I do appreciate when Creators like you aren't shills for big Corp, it's reassuring. Thanks for reading. Have a great day!

[@ryuk6795]

i really wanna see wuwa content more rather then this

[@gus74v07]

i cant agree more, every saint video is just drama and drama and more drama, i just miss when every upload was wuwa content and just chill

[@coolwizi]

Nah, don't expect that kind of videos anymore. Drama and reacting to other ppl making content is easier and brings more views + it has the support of 90% of his audience.

[@pitchblack9053]

Yeah but this generates traffic into his channel and he has bills to pay.

[@TheZombie2415]

What allows Hoyo to give mediocrity while still gaining lots of money is nothing but the players themselves. Criticism exists for improvement but Hoyoshills ignores this and instead attacks everything on sight.

[@Jellostyle]

I dropped Genshit and it was the best decision ever.

[@tasenova2717]

dude hsr and genshin updates defended by mr pokke was the most immature take I've ever seen.

[@nvmage]

Plan upfront -> you dirty leaker. Don't plan -> greedy and stupid. You can't be good anyway in a such kind of game

[@robingrob9717]

Love it how in genshin half of the speaking chars are just on mute... For no reason... In the new event npc number 378 and qiqi are allowed to talk but hu tao who is the focal point of the event isn't voiced... Bro what the shit are they doing...

[@alangreyson2556]

Saintotas.... Please.... I'm tired of this drama videos already.... Just focus on making videos or streaming about wuwa by itself and don't associate with the drama at all... The one thing make me like your channel is for your wuwa videos in the early days and now its getting hard to watch your videos You're becoming what you hated the most So please return back to your original content

[@MisterHabadu]

5.3 and 5.4 will be somewhat of a filler patch. Especially 5.4, I can see it being more of a real filler patch. The 5.3 Lantern Rite just dropped and their final quest is finished but I can say that the quality of this Lantern Rite's quest is absolutely phenomenal and its quite hype. I've been more engaged in the story here in Lantern Rite rather than the stupid 10 hr version of Honkai Star Rail 3.0 Amphoreus, which is ludicrous... I'm still not defending them for putting both Mavuika and Citlali in first half, which is fucking annoying. They never did it before so why the hell did they even do it right now? Its so predatory and scummy. I'll still give credit where credit is due but I am not accepting on whatever the hell they're doing with the banner systems, its fucking annoying.

[@DartNguyen]

but it too late if put citali to second half

[@MisterHabadu]

@@DartNguyen Nope, never too late. Arlecchino and Clorinde has nothing to do with the 5.3 Lantern Rite, so they have no right of being a re-run characters during 2nd half.

[@SerHimsworth]

Hot take: if you can't peer into the future or pull better it's a skill diff, obviously it's a gacha so if you're not good at gacha just retire unc

[@JoseHernandez-kr5xo]

Hats to the guy in the video he doesn’t hold anything back, he talks about the problems of all Gotcha games. Doesn’t matter which one it is popular or not, the game can be cool but it could be better if the devs want to bring more people into the game.

[@SweetoDoggo]

Well, I guess they can’t just use "it’s a gacha game" as a shield anymore, especially since gacha games like WuWa exist. Personally, WuWa made me feel like I was playing a game similar to The Witcher or Elden Ring again. I’ve played Genshin since day one, and while it was good at the start, it has essentially remained the same game since then. There haven’t been any significant improvements or new content to keep the game fresh. On top of that, the developers don’t seem to listen to feedback, often 'fixing' problems that didn’t exist by providing QOL updates that barely make a difference.

[@NLGogeta]

No like deadass tho I was hoping to get Mavuika buuuuut since, greedy ass mihoyo decided to locked 20 FREE PULLS BEHIND PHASE 2 I lost all faith in that company. Genshin and HSR are literally going down a dark path with absurd amounts of powercreep it’s objectively worse in HSR since it’s HP stacking for endgame now, is the time for HSR fans to speak up about this problem and ZZZ is the only hoyoverse game with some light in its path.

[@tsrndn]

I have lost hope for Genshin. The only reason for me to log in is to grab some background images and references for my fanworks lol As for HSR, I think the team over there is a bit smarter and more open to change. I hope they improve 3.1 onwards.

[@imcat1236]

21:44 I did 100% map, I did all Hangout quests, I did everything 100% during sumeru patch because Im F2P I quit Genshin in Dehya patch.

[@zemaralucious]

Genshin has an excuse with quality because of the type of story it is but Honkai Star Rail has no excuse. The quality got better yes but is it the best that they can do? NO. We just need to add better quality to the game.

[@nolahahaha]

Hoyoshills always so toxic in every media platforms

[@armandojr.villarias9853]

Having the nightmare echos was a blessing for 4* users. Jinyan mains can enjoy the unga bunga monke now

[@MihaiCornean]

If only Kuro would make a HSR clone, I just don't have the time to play these massive open world gachas. Tried Wuwa but just couldn't enjoy all the time wasted on exploration.

[@cynthiahembree3957]

They will never be making an HSR clone. Kuro has said they dislike turn based games so they will never make one. Solon himself said this

[@LUCAS420BLZ]

Can we talk about why grass is green and why water gets things wet too

[@white-_-glitch3032]

6:51 sec source ?

[@MikaaWoo]

I quit hsr because I didnt like the story and you cant skip it.. i loved the release but oh boy it went downhill. When I quit hsr shortly after Wuwa released 2.0 and I finally had more story to play after starting it in early acces and it was a blessing honestly. I was legit movdd by Shorekeepers story. Its a beautiful game with amazing combat. I will not go back to either hsr or Genshin.

[@crackcaster]

on the flipside hoyo has like the best customers you could have as a company, inconditional loyality

[@robingrob9717]

The fact that genshins answer to wuwas crafting from inventory is "we will mark you the crafter on the map" is the most hilarious bs i have ever seen... I KNOW WHERE THE CRAFTERS ARE... JUST LET ME FKN CRAFT WHEN I FOUND THE STUFF I NEED... What year are we living in that i still have to tp to the next capital every time to craft my higher rarity talent materials ffs...

[@Zanzecus]

When I played Genshin, everything about it pissed me off. I noticed a predatory practices, and the trash story almost immediately. It colored my impression of Gacha games, and I had no amount of faith in them. Then 2 weeks ago I stumbled upon Wuthering Waves. It was free and something told me to give it a try. I couldn’t put it down, I love this game. Is it perfect, of course not, but god help me it showed me the potential of Gacha games if they’re handled right. Wuthering Waves makes me want to spend money on it, because I haven’t spent a dime and I’ve had an incredible time with it.

[@G0m3rion]

I'm a HSR "Shill" and tbh, I've stopped praising the game months ago, cause the glaring issues cannot be ignored. I shall be a "fan" but as a true fan, please destroy the heck out of the new patches till the games get better or ends crashing and burn like Genshin. I want my favorite gacha to be better, not worse. Awesome video! To critize it, it's to care.

[@billycrobus4399]

Недавно говорил с другом, который уверенно отрицал все минусы в последних обновлениях ZZZ и HSR (особенно), потому что "Ну, это всё вина сообщества. Как хорошо что я их не слушаю никого и не жалуюсь"

[@Tempest27]

As soon they putt the 20 pull to thr second Phase it the last straw for me greedy devs getting more and more greedy and throw garbage trash fillers path for the next few months well good luck the genshit prayers

[@SageRuffin]

21:43 I've done all the story quests (no Hangouts though because they feel too much like dating sims). Deadass. BUT... not because I thought the story was good or interesting, but because doing it all ASAP meant I could get to the parts of the game I actually liked sooner.

[@Drunkendrakon]

I have both Ellen and Miyabi its literally night and day. I still use both to clear content but im still sad. Hopefully the devs release the alternative kit for Ellen to use in the main game.

[@OliviaValed]

GI is basically a star, at start it was shining, basically the brightest start at the time of release due to pandemic, and as time went on the shine starts to fade and become smaller, then Fontaine came and once again it shines bright, but what really happened is that that star blew up, that reason why it was shining so bright is because it was because it was on it's final moment. Then Natlan came and there's nothing left from it. Now this is where we are now and it can go one of these ways, either genshin gets better due to actually giving it good criticism, basically becoming a star once more and maybe even brighter, or turning into a blackhole destroying everything around it and basically blowing up in the end, basically genshin going self destruct and taking other games under hoyo's umbrella with it and basically just be gone from the gacha space.

[@reyzer9722]

Remember that Hoyoshills are doing it to themselves by telling that its good for Genshin. This way Hoyoverse takes that mediocrity is good and keeps making mediocre content

[@Wartwarka]

Editor fucked up with the outro music and it's very quiet

[@Ouroboros619]

Hey, just stepped into WuWa after hearing so many good things about it. I love Genshin and wish it was better, but I don't know: WuWa is missing something that Genshin fulfills for me, but I'm having trouble putting my finger on what it is exactly. WuWa combat is fun and hits the right notes when you pull off a perfect dodge or break an enemy's 'armor'... but I always find Genshin more enjoyable. I don't connect with many of WuWa's characters either like I do with Genshin. Is this just an early game feeling and does it get better?

[@Zukitta]

21:28 i have completed all of them including the hangouts (i 100% everything and do every quest) and the majority of them are not that great. I only really enjoyed maybe like 6-7 out of them and they all featured majorly the character in question and not a random npc. As for the hangouts, i found them aight tbh, some where fun In WuWa ive done everything before 2.0 (haven't got a chance to play it to completion yet) and i really enjoyed every single character quest, maybe except Lingyang but that could be cause i don't like him as a character that much compared to the others The main difference I've noticed is that every single character quest in Wuwa gives you a better look at the character's personality, their background and motives. It gives a whole different charm to the character after completing the quest This is something Genshin needs to do. The newer tribal chronicles quests were kinda better on that aspect credit where credit is due but it still needs improvements. (For the record, i play Genshin, HSR, , ZZZ & WuWa, my 2 favs now are undeniably ZZZ & WuWa 100%)

[@cynthiahembree3957]

I will say people are right about saying that WuWa will have power creep. WuWa does have powercreep it's just not enough of a difference to be meaningful. I also think it will be years before we see any meaningful powercreep

[@Saphi_92]

21:50 i have all story quests and all hangouts done, but it was boring..... i "skipped" most of the hangouts and the last character quests like siegewinne and emilie wasnt good, cause in my opinion it was not their story quests... it was a story quests where there are involved

[@anime6161]

losing 50/50 sucks but its my life lost every 50/50 in zenless and wuva i think i am at 11 in a row till now

[@stefanie_jones]

I quit GI way back, can't remember. Right after first zhongli banner I guess. Played HSR since day 1 and have recently stopped playing that one too. It got too boring where I didn't even care about advancing the story. Didn't care about the new characters that were basically just nothing (imo) I stopped playing WuWa on and off because I was playing on mobile and the small screen was too limiting. Now at least it's on console (not the greatest, I know) so I have the chance to continue on and have felt excited about playing again. They've done a lot right, the story is good and I don't want it to end. The music is great. I really love it. The animation and character interaction is well done.

[@despacitoking237]

You should make a video of how wuwashill don't talk about their own game, but their competitors

[@nickyschobben4074]

Great video overal, and i also want to add one more aspect to the debate which is the free to play aspect of it. I feel like most of the excuses for garbage gacha games/content always cycles back to the same bullshit of it being a "free to play" game and that we therefore should be thankful it exists. People have to understand that free to play does not equate generosity from a company's point of view. It is a business model just like a p2p or subscription based game is, and should therefore also be treated as a game with a price tag. It is merely a different strategy/approach on how to reach out to customers, lowering the entry risks and improving the odds of retention and ofcourse spending that way. Kind of like your typical 2 weeks send back if you're unhappy with your purchase kind of deal. A big and engaged community is absolutely crucial to the life of a gacha game, because that is exactly what draws people in and company's know this. This is where i feel the majority of the free to play players actually contribute much more then what is given credit for. A lot of free to play players bring value through marketing, community building and mouth to mouth, almost identical to how Apple built it's success. They indirectly bring in the cashflow. There's still plenty of people who contribute absolutely nothing to a free to play game but that is the trade-off the company makes, is very well aware off and calculates it's whole model around. My point being is that every gacha game should be treated as a game with a price and every update as a DLC with a price. Stop treating free to play games as a generous offer from these charity companies, and start judging them for what they truly are.

[@alien_liwil]

Sparkle WAS actually good. She came out BEFORE Robin so nobody knew she was gonna be powercrept in 2 months

[@AuroOfOsnem]

Yeah powercreep in zzz is wild, not even at 2.0 yet and already an M6 char cannot even compare to an M0 char (Ellen and Miyabi)

[@ALilLttn]

Papatontas has blessed us with another video once again

[@tairitsu2352]

Funny how I got a genshin ad while watching this LMAO

[@VeilsideC12]

We need more WuWa content, Buddy! Maybe some updates guides on character's that can benefit from the new Nightmare Echoes?

[@hacchiyotsuba]

It's still impossible though since the ones who might benefit from them the most haven't released yet so Maybe after Zani banner we might see those Echoes at high potential

[@VeilsideC12]

@hacchiyotsuba Oh okay. I know there's kind of a running debate on Sanhua or Mortefi benefiting from Empyrean vs Moonlit. I really do enjoy Saintontas content though, so looking forward to the future videos!