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[@xDJ3NTx]

Yeah congregation mics are amazzzing. Great mix! It’ll also allow you to use less processed reverb and makes things sound even more natural. Awesome job and great tut!

[@jamieremus277]

Great information, thanks for posting this video. Another good idea that I was taught years ago with Logic is to place a Gain control at the top of each channel to adjust loud signals and have the option to switch the phase as well. 🙂🇨🇦

[@raymondrafael7740]

finally logic pro.. waiting for your next trick.. 👍👍 Anyway, i always "create track" for all buses so i can put them next to the channel source, so i dont need to go to the right on the mixer view..

[@ryanhoeper4487]

I recommend the limit mode on the la2a. Sounds great. Cut 525 and 3.2k on the acoustic. It’ll help you some.

[@tlstingley]

Hey! Thanks for this video - and all of the other videos you make to help us improve the worship experience for our churches. I recently shifted to using logic to mix our stream. Current setup: X32 > Logic (Apollo Twin) > ATEM Mini Pro > ProPresenter > Restream > Facebook/KZbin. I said all of that to ask you if you have any thoughts on latency or video/audio sync issues. The video is coming in SEVERAL frames before the audio. I’ve been scouring KZbin for tips on how to fix this! Any help on this would be greatly appreciated! Thanks, Tracy

[@JusDvine]

This was insightful and well put! Thank you so much! I'm in the process of using my churches X32 card to connect Logic and do the same. I just need to learn putting the board into controller mode and setting up the inputs in Logic. What you provided is a great foundation on the mix I'd like to hear. We also have crowd mics, just need to install them. Thank you so much! If there's a way I could send a small monetary gift just to show my appreciation, please provide 🙏🙏🙏

[@jay_palacios2314]

I was so waiting for this!!! When I saw your original video from the new church. I was stoked that you were using logic. I’ve taken the worship mix and master course but abelton is just not as easy as logic is for me!!!! Hoping you guys add this to that course for in depth course

[@undergroundmusicproduction5894]

Because I'm using Logic for a while, I recommend you switch the folder stacks to summing stacks. Summing stacks gives you all the benefits of a channel track (parallel comp and more). Also, you can minimize your tracks in folders like folder stacks. Very nice job by the way.

[@Marks_1777]

Since phone speakers don’t reflect low frequencies too well its a good idea to add a bus send for the bass with some clean distortion on it. Just route the output of the bus to the rest of the band. I implemented this and it works phenomenally. The base is still clean but you can hear it clearly on the phone making the mix sound fuller even on phone speakers.

[@busyngtv2861]

CAN U POINT ME TO A VIDEO ON HOW THIS IS DONE??

[@eddieyoung3856]

Pls share

[@Marks_1777]

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[@Marks_1777]

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[@GustavoSantos-ty4bh]

Couldn’t you just add the clean distortion on the bass channel strip instead of having it go through a bus ?

[@olumideoluwafemi6112]

Thanks for the video. I have some questions please 1. How do I route my master to another system via Dante? 2. How do I configure the solo button? I noticed channels routed to buses don't sound when on solo, only channels routed to stereo output will sound out. Thanks

[@bluedog8050]

Just a note for organization and simplifying your track count: Your L and R tracks (like keys and multitracks) can be combined into a stereo track. Just make sure your L track is on an odd input number, click the little circle symbol on the track input button, then select your channel pair (eg Input 7-8) and voila, one less channel and no need to pan left and right :)

[@specopbookie]

Wouldn't that make it to where you can't mix the level of each individually? If so, not a good idea imo.

[@bluedog8050]

@@specopbookie like most things, it depends on what you are doing with your channels. I just know that if I put a volunteer in charge of mixing in logic pro, it's easier to understand and control when a stereo instrument is on one single channel. If there is a case where the L and R signals aren't balanced, I can make adjustments with the stock gain plugin, it has a separate knobs for L and R

[@GregVasquez777]

Thanks Great video! How could I get a studio vocal to sound like it's coming from a live PA more? I've tried different reverbs and IRs, but looking for a natural PA / speaker emulation, a reverb that sounds similar or mauybe a mic emulation that could give the vocal and a few other instruments that live Hillsong or Bethel sound, some. Maybe re-amping and mixing in the sound? I havent tried that.

[@schlausprecher3361]

Waves' H-Delay has an internal tempo setting which can be set independently from the host tempo. It even has a tap tempo button.

[@darrenbeaumont9209]

+1 for H-Delay!

[@RylandRussell]

Sounds great! Ya crowd mics was gonna be my only suggestion.

[@obidavekenobe]

Tip: what i find works well for drumset is breaking up your drum groups. Like have a buss for your kick and snare, a buss for your toms, and a buss the things made of metal (cymbals). Each of those busses get some compression and those are routed to a main drum buss with light compression. Then you can send that to a parellel drum crush buss.

[@sdaka21]

Absolutely Not 💀

[@自由人-q1r]

Thank you for the video! This video is super useful for our church to mix live worship! One little question, you added a gain for bass as it does not have enought signal gain in Logic Pro, what level of gain you usually set for instrument and vocals when they enter Logic Pro? How much db is "enough" for logic pro to process the sound? Hope you will answer my quesiton :)

[@florin1290]

Hello! In your template there is no simple delay (for Logic users) to compensate the letancy created by the plugins. Is it not needed?

[@serge4349]

How does everyone deal with solo in LogicX? If you solo a channel, it will also solo it on the broadcast. Is there a setting in Logic that changes the way solo works?

[@zoa.barista]

in this case the acoustic is not so important in the mix, however if it is a key element in your mix and sounds like this DI'd acoustic, i highly recommend buying a worship tutorials acoustic IR pack for $15 and loading it into logic's stock reverb. there are some useable freebies out there as well.

[@adam_churchfront]

Definitely! we teach how to do this in our Broadcast Mix Mastery course.

[@kevinstevesolomon]

You guys are awesome love from India 🎉👍

[@robrig55]

Just wondering what made you choose the CLA 2A vs the 76 on your lead vocals?

[@mattwoltjer4376]

You like the CLA-2A for parallel drum compression more than the CLA-76? I've always used the 76 but I'm down to try stuff. Also, just started using Logic for our online mix too. Probably biggest difference for us is that I'm using it post fader off our LV1 so that I don't need an extra person or space to mix broadcast. I just tweak our template just enough that it sounds a little more produced for online and then how it's mixed in house translates to online.

[@finnybenjose]

I get a delay when adding steven slate trigger for live stream mix template. Just wondering if its just me or if there is any way around it!

[@kpillmatic]

Yo, you gotta do a in depth walkthrough for Worship Leader School. I know I personally like logic over Ableton….. I have been waiting for this video!! Finally, Logic Pro X

[@djsoundfxandlights2085]

hopefully we can download the file.

[@chrisj5643]

a template would be nice, i have a very similar setup almost the same plugins

[@joshedwards3827]

Are you able to share which Tom sounds/settings you were using from the Stevan Slate library?

[@chemdrum]

I'm curious to know, are you able to solo a channel in the DAW to hear how it sounds without affecting the main mix going out to you live stream lol? I've always wanted to know how to do that.

[@ricardo.i.i.i]

I think to achieve this you can make sure that the “i” button near the solo button is the only one with the “i”selected

[@danieleduca1241]

@@ricardo.i.i.i but that way you'll send to the livestream just that track without the others

[@schlausprecher3361]

No, this is not possible with Logic, at least with the dedicated solo button. You would have to use a dedicated bus send as some sort of "solo bus" on each track.

[@danieleduca1241]

@@schlausprecher3361 exactly. Maybe it could be done via dedicated bus and a macro (to have a button)

[@IgnacioP96]

That's the nice thing about Ableton Live, you just set the Solo to Cue mode and assign it a different audio output

[@paulkalusanjolomba1478]

I like it , it’s pretty simple but sounds great! You have great musicians too!

[@lanesmith5598]

Are you using Trigger live in the room or only for broadcast? I'm assuming you are using the plug ins live and broadcasting live...or do you do a lot of post work and broadcast later?

[@darsmatias]

i have the same question. i believed they do a post mixing work and broadcast later. if this was live/real time that would be awesome tho.

[@dylanraymusic]

We aren't using the Slate triggers in the room, but we are using a whole bunch of waves plugins on each drum channel at FOH on soundgrid. I don't believe Slate is currently able to run off of the SuperRack interface/server for FOH- only waves plugins work within SuperRack, as far as I'm aware. Our audio is straight from the preamps going to FOH and separately to our Broadcast, so we have totally different plugin chains for each channel and each destination.

[@feelgoodpiano]

So did you just buy the waves bundle and all these plugins come with it?

[@jr4895]

Great video! You can use an eq to define your toms, and use a gate/expander to lower the spills and then trigger. You can even use the mix know (Trigger2 ) to blend the wet and dry signal. Otherwise you hear for ex tom triggering every snare hit

[@D71219ONE]

I’m considering using Trigger 2 free to replace our kick and snare only. I’m totally happy with our toms. How does Trigger 2 account for cross stick, or does it not? I don’t want it triggering the snare when it’s a soft section of a slow song, lol.

[@karisonicaudio]

Hi good work down,please is there a way you can use an x32 console and the DAW instead of the sound grid. Thank you for supporting us.

[@djsoundfxandlights2085]

I really like this, do you think you can give the logic file?

[@Mr_T_Dollars]

tank you for dis, my only concern would be wat effect and ow eavy is d trigger 2 on your cpu, because of latency. I personally do not av d trigger2 but i av anoda plugin and it is cpu intensive.

[@lfisher8154]

How much latency does DAW processing add and does it cause noticeable sync issues with the video?

[@timioludayomi5137]

Great video Jake! Loved it. Are you selling this template by any chance?

[@nanayawasare1]

Honestly I hope that’s the case. Great question

[@aboutfaith1861]

Thank you for posting these videos, that help your brothers and sisters, learn how to put more of the precious time HE has given us to worship HIM. One question, Im (new) running Logic Pro, to the M32 with OBS. I can record just fine, but when I plug earphones into my Macbook, It stops recording the audio, when I pull the out it records, I must have missed a step ?

[@lfisher8154]

Thanks Jake. I noticed some bleed from the drum/OH mics - Did you consider adding a gate?

[@mosesroystonnandyala386]

Hey hi my name is Moses How do connect the Yamaha MG20XU To Login, or which Software should be used for the Live mixing

[@israelarb5693]

Could you theoretically use MainStage to mix for KZbin Live streaming? We’re using a presonus sl 3. Recording in a daw isn’t really a concern

[@danielalekseyenko4773]

What should I do if I’m dealing with latency when sending this to my black magic video switcher?

[@ianmaina8237]

My name is Ian please I'd like to know if an Allen Heath Gl2400 can work with a daw?

[@codygaesser2030]

silly question. If you use that Waves sound grid does it only offload processing power of the waves plugins or will it offload all the plugins?

[@AlfredGainesjr]

Do you have one for stock logic plugs ?

[@onzkicg]

Most of the modern churches today reupload/remaster the audio to improve recorded live stream for future viewing, am I correct? Tnx!

[@SoundRyteMobileDJs]

How did you end up sending audio to the video switcher?

[@Goggledreams]

WOW, could you share that template with us?... Thanks, Id be great!

[@cameronmurrell8161]

Have you ever tried ozone 8 or 9 on the master for the livestream?

[@richardlatham3771]

hi guys, we use a Yamaha M7CL desk for broad cast and trying to work out how to connect my macbook pro to the yamaha desk to use for mixing. does anyone have any advice. i know its a connection via cat5

[@Nokrang_Lkr]

Hi sir can you do a video how to do in abelton

[@sfcnetworkministries]

I have a mac for DAW mixing and another mac for streaming. how do I get the Daw audio to the mac that's used for streaming? please advise

[@samuelappiah5839]

I wanted to know how are you compensating for audio latency on the broadcast since the limiter and waves tune will introduce audio latency ? Also, what buffer size are you running on the template ?

[@schlausprecher3361]

Waves Tune Real-Time does not introduce latency. Additionally, Logic automatically compensates for latency of busses. If latency is introduced on input tracks, one needs to compensate on all tracks, as far as I know. At least that's how we do it, and we inherited that from the bethel template for Logic.

[@Lettemhearpodcast]

I wish there was a way where I can leave the live stream unattended and have the mics sound good across the board

[@JoshCoyoyDrums]

Hey man! Good work!! 🙌🏽 so i was wondering you guys have any latency from audio into your video recording.. logic is giving us a progressively worse n worse latency. We’ll start on time, and as service goes on, it’ll be up to 2-3 seconds.

[@youngeshmoney]

Someone has to monitor the latency, especially if you're recording, the more you record the more labor intensive in terms of ram. Download a ram cleaner and clean up the ram every 5 or so minutes and constantly check the latency in the "audio" settings. Set the buffer to either 128 or 256, 64 is the absolute lowest you'd go, the lower you go the less latency yes, however it's more ram intensive and when the ram gets clogged your latency will jump up anyway. So select whatever buffet size will keep your latency from 5-7ms but never lower than 64

[@chrisgazpacho]

Great video Jake! I am in the process of upgrading my church with a M32 and Waves card and we will send audio to Logic for livestream over the WSG network. Part of this process is I want to move the daw to a separate room for mixing. How would you recommend sending our stereo bus mix back to our switcher at front of house? You mention you intend to do something different in this video. Thanks! Chris

[@chrisgazpacho]

Ahh figured it out, I'll just send it back to the console over WSG. Send it to Aux 1/2 to the ATEM mini. That will be perfect.

[@Churchfront]

Yeah the challenge will be figuring out how to monitor the mic at the Logic computer. That’s why we ended up putting a behringer flow at that computer to pull usb audio out of logic and then we send the main out of the flow to the stage box

[@TuanTran-qv2tc]

is it possible I can have copy of your logic pro x project mixing template?

[@PampanosRecords]

You should use another reverb for vocals. I mean, a reverb that allows you to do a side chain to the vocals, to get better clarity… but it’s a pretty good job anyways, and you can use a bus to send the snare and then apply the Trigger 2

[@supermax1353]

Do you have any broadcast templates to have a good starting point that I can download?

[@Little_Messi907]

Do you know how to insert channels from my Yamaha TF3 Mixer to Logic Pro? I've gotten some channels working via the I/O Plugin. But My acoustic and keys just don't want to pick up on Logic. I think it might be something with the Mixer. But I don't know yet... Any Help?? :)

[@jay_palacios2314]

@jake possible template for us in the worship ministry program?

[@jerryseigle2538]

Great Video. Would love to see your panning techniques.

[@wholeheartedglobal316]

Good stuff man. God bless you.

[@Uzrdinma]

Hi. Could you share his all this routing is done? I pray you're not using Dante® 😅

[@heberluviano1584]

highly reccomend PERCS samples. Made by the Upperoom and Gatway church drummers.

[@caleblee9841]

How do you create a solo bus with this?

[@asa.james_music]

I think the only thing missing IMHO is having the ability to control reverb on command. It seems to be excessive in some areas or out of place. Thanks for the awesome in depth!

[@hqmultimedia_]

True but you can use a control surface for DAW control. E.g fader Port by presonus

[@asa.james_music]

@@hqmultimedia_ that's precisely what I mean

[@stevenkitonga]

What do you guys use to delay video considering the delay generated from the processing you have on plugins from Logic atleast to sync video and audio?

[@chriswaynegerlach]

typically video will naturally be delayed more than the audio. at least in my experience, i have never had to delay video to match the audio, however i have had to delay the audio to match video. which can be done with a plugin, set at the root of each channel strip (better to do this at the begginning of each channel strip, rather than once at the end of the channel strip if you are mixing broadcast so that: a) the audio will sync up with what you are seeing on screen in the media room, which actually does help give context to the mix. b) most importantly, putting the delay at the begginning of each channel strip allows you to hear the changes made to your mix in real time.(if you put one single delay on the master output, you wouldn't hear the changes in your mix until after they were processed by the delay).

[@av1972boss]

What waves plug-in do you use. What pack?

[@EncounterChurchVegas]

We use Reason because it's what the last guy used who set-up the system. I'm not a fan simply because no one has had a chance to "learn" it. We basically mix it make it sound ... not gross.

[@danielfmyers]

What about your time alignment for live? Don’t see the sample delay at top of channel strips.

[@BabyELC1]

Logic makes delay automatically in sync to timeline tempo settings. Unless of course you want it styled on a different time signature

[@dylanraymusic]

Oh goodness. I guess I have to start singing better at rehearsal 0_o

[@ethansfisher]

Is that possible tho??

[@paulkalusanjolomba1478]

Hahah

[@wayneebersole2054]

Great video! One question: how are they interfacing their mics and instruments to Logic Pro X?

[@bluedog8050]

It sound like they are using Waves Sound Grid over the network, likely plugging their instruments into something like a Sound Grid Stage box.

[@dylanraymusic]

@@bluedog8050 close! Our stage box is actually our "ears board" (x32 rack+the midas DL32 stagebox) and then from there the raw audio is all sent to separate places via Ethernet on the waves network. That way we can process our in ears completely separate from everywhere else, only downside being that the "true gain" is now controlled by our x32 rack and not the FOH board. It's been a more budget friendly way of achieving the multiple goals we were shooting for when we moved in to the building. Jake has definitely helped us take all of it to the next level and I'm sure we are gonna be changing some of it up here soon! But for now that's how we have been doing it.

[@ZachSwena]

Sounds like you need more body mic and less pickup/neck mic in that Taylor Guitar

[@terrellturner]

My question is: If you don’t have a volunteer for this, can you still run it? Or do you need a person to mute/unmute channels as they are used? And is there a way to do this without clicking with mouse?

[@samsound8510]

You could also set it up so each channel goes into the daw for processing, then back out to the desk channels for fader control. All the bussing would likely need to remain in the desk, however. Alternatively, some desks also work as a DAW controller, so there may be a way to assign the desk faders to control DAW faders, rather than the actual desk inputs.

[@clintyoung9902]

Curious why you didn't opt for tracks stacks in lieu of sending to busses?

[@Churchfront]

Because I’m a Logic newb. Lol.

[@clintyoung9902]

@@Churchfront haha all good brotha!

[@TsaiDidi]

May I know how to use hardware mixer to control Logic Pro? Any suggestion?

[@soundwaverecords9023]

I use the MCU Pro. really great and it gives you plugin control and is made for Logic unlike alot of others native to Ableton. I think Behringer might make a version as well.

[@Dank_Matter_188]

What cans are you using? They look nice!

[@Churchfront]

Beyerdynamic DT770 Pro

[@scottkorber]

As a drummer and a sound guy, I have mixed feelings about drum replacement (sample triggers). I feel like most of the time the sound you wanted could have been achieved with EQ and compression.

[@samsound8510]

I have to agree. When I mix recordings of our band the only time I replace a shell is if there is something really off. Even then I try to just augment the shell with a replacement. Controlling the microdynamics on drums is critical to get the impact and energy of the kit. Without it, yeah they sound like they need replaced.

[@emmanuelakande5597]

Do you need a Dante card

[@ralphciarletti8943]

What the best way to do live stream on a persons 24by4 mixer

[@estivalprod]

como você faz a transmissão sem latência no audio?

[@obidavekenobe]

Anther tip: think of using your dynamic EQ as a desser👍

[@thomasricks5737]

How do I set up daw for broadcast someone please help

[@manassehbunny]

how to connect Allen & heath sq6 to Logic DAW

[@ghostgaming6581]

How did you get the trigger thing working on drums?

[@brandoncrenshaw]

How do you solo channels to monitor in Logic Pro X

[@samuelowusu-poku78]

can we get the template

[@marclewism]

Greatest tip. Just let the instrument/vocal be natural first before adding some toppings to the cake ❤

[@scottkorber]

Yet still triggers drums. Lol

[@marclewism]

@@scottkorber thats a food color😂

[@LucasTateishi]

Whenever I use Logic to mix the livestream it starts to have a delay after a few minutes, how do I fix that? All the plugins have been checked for lag time, and I'm using a MBP 16" 2.5GHz 32GB, what should I look for?

[@AngeloRamosBR]

We were using a fully loaded 2013 MBP and we started getting that delay after a few minutes of streaming…we pitched a base model M1 MBP and we haven’t had an issue since…

[@soundwaverecords9023]

Ya i used to have that issue. Not really sure how i fixed it. I upgraded to an M1 and it works fine with my Dante latency all the way down. One thing to check is to make sure your prodject sample rate is set correctly. If you are using an interface, match its sample rate or dantes or whatever

[@djboost123]

Have any of you tried using an iPad DAW to live stream? Curious to know if it’ll work! Haha

[@schlausprecher3361]

We are currently using Logic for our broadcast mix, but I want to move away from it, as it has some annoying limitations and behaviors when it comes to broadcast mixing. I‘m thinking about moving to Reaper or Studio One.

[@robertsimpson5801]

What issues have you had with it that could be fixed with Reaper or Studio One?

[@schlausprecher3361]

@@robertsimpson5801 It's mostly a problem with the learning curve for volunteers. Logic has a very rigid UI which is far away from a mixing console. Reaper and Studio One have the ability to get closer to a digital mixer. Reaper has the ability to create custom themes/skins extensions, and plug-ins (I'm a software engineer), but that would take quite some time to set up, which I currently do not have. Studio One can show small widgets in the channel strip for gain/EQ/compressor/... and also offers a solo bus, which makes it possible to solo tracks during broadcast (this can be done using busses in the other DAWs, but is not intuitive - I think Ableton can do this as well).Both DAWs also have their downsides, which makes me stick with Logic for now. Reaper does not really offer an "input monitoring" feature, one needs to record arm the tracks. This means Reaper would always record all tracks, which is not what I want (it is possible to disable recording for an armed track, but that is hidden away and is just plain stupid IMHO). Studio One's UI is somewhat complicated in certain cases and we would have to buy the largest licence for all the features we want, and I do not want to spend that much on another DAW. Logic also sometimes has "hick-ups" on my system, where it will stop its audio engine because "a plug-in has reported a stability problem" and asks whether it should quit or continue, instead of just continuing... However this has only been a problem on my personal system when using more third-party plug-ins than usual. Our broadcast Mac Mini has been stable enough so far, using mainly stock plug-ins, Antares AutoTune, and some Waves stuff.

[@cedricbetke5748]

so guys, how do you do the delay time live?

[@arkofgrace9642]

I want to be a person like you.

[@chadt5584]

I’ve also had problems with Taylor acoustics sounding bad. I know the brand has a great reputation, but they seem to be so thin and just bad sounding. A caveat is that it’s usually 200/300 series that I’m mixing. I’d hope the upper series are better.

[@edwartedo5109]

Try use acoustic guitar simulator

[@alejandronunez9692]

Please do it with Pro Tools!! or Ableton!

[@danielfmyers]

60/120 100% works great for Waves Tune in Chromatic

[@MichaelNatrin]

Great stuff.

[@Lalo_plays]

Of course the mix will sound good on a 10k system. How will this work on a system that doesn't have the greatest mics?

[@schlausprecher3361]

You don't need expensive mics for a good sounding broadcast mix. You may just need to do some more processing to get it to sound similar.

[@JonathanWells-ei5mn]

"we need to find out why this guitar doesn't sound good on its own" yeah I've heard so many engineers say that about Taylors...