How I Was Fooled | A Real Sea-Gull Vs A Fake Sea-Gull

[@bonbonkickzz]

Give this gentleman a like for sharing his experience with us to help us prevent getting scammed. Good sir!

[@whatsonthewrist]

Hi, bonbonkickzz. It’s crazy but thanks. Hopefully someone else can learn and benefit. 🙌

[@rektison]

I hope you didnt throw away the smaller Seagull. The smaller one's movement is also from Seagull. Right now, Sugess bought the right to reproduce the product which is why people confused. However, Sugess bought the produced movement from Seagull only. . The smaller seagull you have was launched by Seagull itself 11 years ago. Its a mechanical tourbillon movement. . the 42mm dial you have is an automatic tourbillon... that automatic tourbillon, even Sugess doesn't have it. (with the exact design) . Final thought: I don't know about the warranty on the smaller watch. But yes, it's better to buy the 42mm Tourbillon from Seagull. Personally, I am a lazy person. I hate that I have to wind up the watch every time.

[@markphillips2072]

Really appreciate your honesty . I've made lots of mistakes when it comes to watches and I know it hard to admit when you miss something but I'm glad to have the information so I'm paying more attention. 👍👍👍

[@whatsonthewrist]

Hey, Mark. Sorry to hear about your situations as well. I’m sure if I spent time with the fake that I would eventually notice the totality of their flaws. I hope so at least. Thanks for sharing your experiences, Mark. 😜

[@jasontoms2859]

Watch enthusiast's in the US & Europe have become very favorable towards Sea-Gull, so its no surprise that a fake industry has developed. We must always be on our guard. Thank you for sharing this with us. t was a great report.

[@whatsonthewrist]

Well articulated, Jason. It’s true. Thanks, brother. 🤙

[@johanlarsson5425]

Fake industry in watches was even in 1800 so :D

[@ChristopherEarleBellevue]

Good analysis. Oddly, I'm not averse to generic "replicas" without branding that don't purport to be what they aren't, so I'd not be averse to that movement in the fake case if they hadn't passed it off as a Sea-Gull watch.

[@whatsonthewrist]

Yes, I agree there’s nothing wrong with using a Sea-Gull movement , but it’s different trying to pass it off as the branded watch. Thank you, 馬文傑.

[@TheSupertecnology]

What an unexpected turn of events. Even so, it's still impressive how the fake still is a tourbillion and does use a seagull movement, despite the case and dial being fake.

[@whatsonthewrist]

They probably obtained an actual seagull tourbillon movement and built it from there.

[@binkyboobosh1]

@@whatsonthewrist I agree...that's a Sea Gull movement. A tourbillion is not an easy watch to make and Sea Gull have taken the price down to almost a loss on every unit.

[@treehugger3615]

There was an article of how the fake Sea-Gulls were busted by the police. Apparently it was an employee with more than 10 years working in the company that started selling out the blueprints and parts. On the topic of Chinese watches, I always tell people my watches are Chinese... even when they are not (although parts were probably manufactured there). This way I avoid thieves. If someone, man or woman, judge me by the watches I wear, they are not worth my time much less my friendship.

[@whatsonthewrist]

Hi, feralbear3615. Nice deterrent to protect your watches and friendships. 👌

[@tayl0rd553]

Unless you eat, sleep and breathe high end watches of all types, it's best to buy them straight from the source or from a source-recommended retailer. It's so easy to be scammed on high end watches.

[@whatsonthewrist]

Yep. Agreed and fortunately for me it worked out. 🤙

[@tronkel1]

An expert review of this wonderful timepiece - and perfectly presented as well. Congrats and many thanks!

[@whatsonthewrist]

Thanks so much, tronkel1. 🤙

[@raysuarez6161]

Thank you! I almost did the same mistake... I'm new to this and it's always good to know someone has your back a bit.

[@whatsonthewrist]

Hi, Ray. It pleases me to hear that. Glad the video was helpful.

[@sAmiZZle82]

From what I understand the Sea-Gull 1963 has unofficial version that use the same movement as the official version and Sea-Gull have approved other manufacturers producing this. So my question is whether this is also just an unofficial version of the Tourbillon or is it a fake?

[@whatsonthewrist]

Hi, sAmiZZle82. The smaller model has an actual seagull movement and it’s been performing just fine. However this particular model was not approved by seagull.

[@dragonfire3102]

The stitching on that fake is absolutely horrendous! Glad you figured this out. thank you for uploading this video.

[@whatsonthewrist]

Yes thank you. There are so many more examples, just too many to mention.

[@AliasEveWatches]

Damn, sorry to hear you got scammed. Your lesson learned will be a benefit to all of us. Thanks for sharing this!

[@whatsonthewrist]

It worked out, in the end, for me. I was fortunate. But thanks and it pleases me that someone can hopefully learn from my experience. Thank you, Alias Steve. 👌

[@mjmorrill081]

Awesome! Thanks for the comparison and information. I'll be saving my money! I started with an ST5 and haven't looked back. Love my Sea-Gull watches. Respect to you and the company.

[@whatsonthewrist]

Thanks man. Enjoy your collection.

[@jameszalinski2414]

Hey Rich, This was a total teachable moment that we can all learn from. Thanks for sharing

[@whatsonthewrist]

Hi, James. It’s definitely all about finding a legit source on rare watches. Thanks, brother.

[@thomasmargolis6057]

Interesting to do the real vs fake with Seasgull; where typically with the higher end watches [roles, ap, iwc, etc] and swatchmoonwatch, too.

[@beakytwitch7905]

I'd choose the fake ! It is non-self-winding but is thinner. The beauty is in the tourbillon rather than dial features. The 'fake' strap is nicer too.

[@whatsonthewrist]

Hmm.

[@melody3741]

ITS NOT FUCKING FAKE ITS JUST A DIFFERENT MODEL!!! THEY ARE ALL MADE BY THE SAME FACTORY!!! Im in contact with the factory and i PROMISE you they are both absolutely real and made by the same factory. They are and always will be cheap chinese watches. They change the design between the automatic and manual variants. That’s how it is.

[@hannahuang6118]

They were owned by government but went public around Y2000. One important point: the rear Seagull watch has a signed seagull movement. The fake one does not.

[@whatsonthewrist]

Thank you, Hanna. Good eye.

[@spasdar]

First thing that stood out to me was the word "Tourbillon" not being in all-caps on the fake. I was considering ordering one of the cheaper 1963s since it was 40mm, had lume and sapphire, but this video convinced me to get the original instead, thanks :)

[@whatsonthewrist]

Hi, marpe. I won’t disagree with you. Fortunately the original is reasonably priced too. Let me know once you get it.

[@dpmjole]

@@whatsonthewrist reasonably priced??? SEA-GULL 1963 is $550 RED STAR 1963 is $150 they are literally the same,how is that reasonable?

[@southnx]

Wow, that is crazy my friend. I am glad it all worked out. I thought the fake looked good, but side by side their is just that added refinement to the real deal. Thanks for sharing this story with everyone and hopefully it will help keep others from getting scammed.

[@whatsonthewrist]

I hope so too, that others can learn. Thanks, John. 🙌

[@jimmeyer803]

Excellent video. Informative, just wish your side by side comparisons were a bit longer. It is not possible to compare without pausing the video. Thank you nonetheless.

[@whatsonthewrist]

Yes in hindsight I agree, Jim.

[@swisswatchcompany1710]

I think in most cases it would be fairly difficult to spot unless you are actively looking for it to be a fake and directly comparing between a fake and the real deal. Some fakes are so good that even with a direct comparison it can be difficult to spot. Like you mentioned, this one, when compared to the real model is easy to spot but I personally wouldn't expect a piece like this to be a counterfeit! Hopefully this video can raise some awareness for others.

[@whatsonthewrist]

Well articulated and I agree. Thanks, Josh. 🤝

[@tongxu721]

Above all, at the beginning Sea gull didn't release 1963 to markets. It's just a small amount of souvenirs for veteran. You know the "small" workshop can buy Sea gull's movements include st19. They made lots of 1963(they also design panda). Later Sea gull decide to release 1963 only 5500 pieces of it. It's limited. But now Sea gull stil not sold it out.... In the other side, some design of Sea gull is not as good as "small" workshop.

[@whatsonthewrist]

Thank you, Tong for sharing this.

[@musicwatchquattro]

Thank you for the insight, its greatly appreciated. It just sucks that counterfeiters dont even respect manufacturers from their own country.

[@whatsonthewrist]

Thanks and agreed.

[@L4busaures]

For anyone new, Sea-Gull sells their tourbillon watches again now - theyre around RMB999 or around $150

[@noelr9376]

Thanks for the info. I like tourbillons just because I think they are cool. I wish seagull made one that was less dressy and more of an every day watch. My favorite as an example is by Hajime Asaoka. His project T tourbillon watch is perfect. Elegant, sporty enough to wear everyday, but not overdone calling for attention. Although way out of my price range. I’m also not a fan of the ERA watches. Something yells cheese with ERA when they advertise as a billionaire watch for everyone.

[@whatsonthewrist]

Hi, Noel. Yes I agree watching a tourbillon in action is a beautiful thing. I like the idea of a sportier model with one. Lol to ERA’s slogan.

[@MrCuckoobox]

Hi Rich........Sorry that happened. Thanks for sharing and letting everyone know. Great Job making "Lemonade"...... It is all you can do when they give you "Lemons".

[@whatsonthewrist]

I was also fortunate so I can kinda relax about things now. Good to see you and thanks, MrCuckoobox. 🤙

[@toshi-ki6016]

@whatsonthewrist: Hi Rich, maybe the "fake" watch is a fake of a Manual Winding version of the watch?

[@Reloadeez]

And that's the issue with Sea-Gull, they don't care. They sell their movements to anybody and give permission to anybody to make identical watches. The 1963 is a good example, they only required makers replicating it not to use a solid back, they told them as long as they use transparent case backs they can copy anything else they want. So all watches made with Sea-Gull movements are essentially Sea-Gulls now. I question from a business perspective why they diluted their brand name doing this, I can only assume they think it's more profitable to sell the movements to makers and give them free rein on replicating them, while also selling their own watches. As to an authorized Sea-Gull supplier, they don't exist, some of the largest watch supply companies in the world can not become an authorized dealer. Sea-Gull has told them they don't do it, if they want watches or movements then just order them. If they had an authorized dealer program it would effect their profit on selling movements to makers who copy the watches. The largest suppliers in the world, such as Otto Frei, and Cousins-UK have disclaimers. When you purchase Sea-Gull movements from them, they say the movement was purchased from Sea-Gull, but they do no guarantee, or have any verification it's authentic, and you're buying at your own risk.

[@510MyTube]

Your legit Tourbillon comes in an automatic movement?

[@whatsonthewrist]

Yes, Captain Obvious.

[@baiqing]

I heard seagull stopped selling rejected movements, but idk if they still have a lot out there though

[@whatsonthewrist]

You’re correct, Andy. I’m sure a few slip out there one way or the other. Contact Jeffrey at Faoiki. You’ll get what you want directly from Sea-Gull.

[@notyourgrandadswatch7705]

The fact that the "homage" Seagull still uses the sea-gull movement somewhat negates the fact that it didn't come from the actuall Sea-gull manufacturer. From what I understand it is very hard to get a genuine Sea-Gull, especially the 63' and there are 100s of dealers selling them. Sea-gull has somewhat lost control of their designs on the grey market. Alot of folks are looking for the movement more than anything. Great review cheers

[@whatsonthewrist]

Hi, Broguesy. Unfortunately so many ‘63 owners aren’t aware that their a good likelihood theirs isn’t authentic.

[@notyourgrandadswatch7705]

Yeah, if you haven't seen the video that Jody from just one more watch did recently, he talks about this exact thing.

[@wallytuber]

I'm fairly certain that anyone who does a fair amount of research knows all the seagull 1963 are fakes unless you're paying a ridiculous amount of money for one. I'm ok with it. It's a Chinese thing.

[@Stomo1709]

Where did you get the real one and how much ? The real one has automatic movement as compared to the replica which requires winding, is that correct ?

[@whatsonthewrist]

Hi, Stomo1709. Yes if I recall the fake had a manual wound movement. I got mine from Faoiki.com. I also left the link in the description. They are an AD for Sea-Gull.

[@stableianF1oracle]

These are for sale nowadays for under £600 …. The guy from Watchfinder reviewed one saying it’s good for £600. How did you pay so much for one ?

[@watchhans]

It is shocking that now even high-end Sea-Gull watches are being copied. But due to the low production and wholesale cost of a Chinese tourbillon movement, it is just too tempting to copy this kind of watch and to earn a tremendous amount of money. Even Sea-Gull itself make a huge amount of profit with their Tourbillon watches. No wonder they offer a lifetime free service. It has been already calculated into the official retail price. But in general, if you can buy a genuine Sea-Gull watch, their quality today is the same as with any lower priced Swiss watch. If not slightly better in some tiny details, like a sapphire crystal for even their low priced dress watches.

[@whatsonthewrist]

Hi, Blau. I agree. My real Sea-Gull is a real gem and beautiful to look at. No issues. 🤙

[@watchhans]

@@whatsonthewrist I own 3 original Sea-Gull watches bought at their flagship stores in China. Quality and accuracy are the same as with Tissot, Longines or Certina.

[@whatsonthewrist]

Congrats on yours. Too bad it’s such a minefield to land a real one but when you do, it’s worth it.

[@lunster5154]

Where do I buy the real sea-Gull and how much? I want this exact watch

[@whatsonthewrist]

Hi, Dr. Kevin Lun. May I suggest Faoiki.com. They are an AD for Sea-Gull. I left a link in the description of the video. You can get a discount by mentioning my channel. I do not get a commission.

[@lunster5154]

@@whatsonthewrist thank you!! If there is ever and issue with this who would I bring it for warranty/servicing)

[@whatsonthewrist]

@Dr. Kevin Lun. I imagine you can go thru Faoiki since they get the watches directly from Sea-Gull. Or you can send it directly to Sea-Gull. The warranty card is included. That is my understanding but you can confirm with Faoiki.

[@decoidy7751]

Do you know which website is legit for seagull so i can buy safe and sound? Thanks

[@toshi-ki6016]

@whatsonthewrist: Hi Rich, have you checked if the "fake" watch has a genuine version from Sea-Gull? It seems the "fake" is a wind-up watch, so the move is different and not self-winding.

[@whatsonthewrist]

Hi, Toshi-ki. The movement seems to be a seagull movement but the rest of the watch isn’t. It was not produced by seagull.

[@toshi-ki6016]

@@whatsonthewrist Thanks for reply ... I suppose there is a real Manual Winding version too? Maybe a comparison of that will add to this video, too. = )

[@whatsonthewrist]

Interesting idea but perhaps a separate and stand alone video.

[@toshi-ki6016]

Another idea: Do a video to understand the relationship between the parent watch maker and other watch manufacturers using Sea-Gull movements ... and discuss when it should be called "fake", or "Replica" instead, or the watch is from a "Sponsored Factory" as tolan65 printed in his comments.

[@whatsonthewrist]

A fake is when a third party makes a knock off and tries to pass the original brand as theirs. A replica is a look alike but without using the original brand name.

[@RussMeister70]

thank you for this. I learned something. it's hard to tell the difference unless you have side by side comparison. I wasnt aware of the excellent warranty by SeaGull.

[@whatsonthewrist]

Hi, Rusty. It pleases me to hear that you walked away learning something new. 👌

[@spatialentanglement]

Which online store is a good one to buy an original Seagull?

[@whatsonthewrist]

Hi, Magnus Hsu. May I suggest Faioki.com. They helped me and is an AD for Seagull. I think I also left their link in the description.

[@rektison]

One is an automatic tourbillion, another one is a hand willing tourbillon.

[@fakenodata1548]

I do not agree that this is fake, it's just two different models with two different mechanisms (one with automatic winding, the other without it) and two different housings (one 40mm thin, the other 41mm thick).

[@whatsonthewrist]

They took the first watch back because they didn’t make it within their walls.

[@fakenodata1548]

​@@whatsonthewrist You said 10:20 you bought them from a third-party seller. Maybe the seller just took them back to avoid fraud charges? It is easier for the seller to agree with the buyer, apologize and return the money, than to argue and conduct an examination of originality. Even if the stuff is really original.

[@whatsonthewrist]

@@fakenodata1548 The third party is an AD. In any case it worked out.

[@WorldPeace-xyz]

it is not a fake seagull ... it is either a seagull movement that is made in tianjin (original seagull movement company) or made in one of its accredited watch factories ...

[@system11yt]

Honestly I'm tempted to buy one of those cheap aliexpress tourbillon watches. At least those are definitely bottom basement "it's a movement that works" and there's little chance of being scammed as long as the balance wheel cage is rotating.

[@whatsonthewrist]

Hi, System11 YT. Well it depends on what you really want from your watch.

[@system11yt]

@@whatsonthewrist I'm at the "that is an attractive or interesting design" stage. I'm putting money aside for one of the new Accutron Spaceviews at the moment.

[@whatsonthewrist]

Nice option to aim for regarding the Spaceview. 👌

[@chaschbe4564]

I have a question: How much did you paid for the fake? Was it at least cheaper?

[@whatsonthewrist]

It cost the same, Chaschbe.

[@CareerProgramming]

What's this model called? Can't find jt anywhere

[@whatsonthewrist]

Hi, Career Programming. I left a link to the store in the description of the video. Faoiki.com.

[@nintendokings]

Crazy story. I’d only buy them from the sea-gull AliExpress store

[@whatsonthewrist]

Hi, nintendokings. Fortunately it worked out. 🤙

[@melody3741]

When seakors has one too there’s absolutely no reason to fake it.

[@jpdavis6042]

I have a quasi vintage pre-owned -Rolex purchased a few years ago from a big name lux watch internet outfit that I still have occasional doubts about. Yes, they have their in house watch makers, authenticity is part of their reputation, but have my doubts as to 100% original parts. The bitch is, opening one and having to replace seals. It's a $5k watch, so not like I'm on the hook for large money. Eventually I guess I will find out when I have it serviced. Nice to see you, Rich. Best, JP

[@whatsonthewrist]

You have an interesting story. That would be intriguing to find out, if you ever make that video. Good to see you too, JP. I hope you had you Dunkin’. 🍩 ☕️

[@richardvacanti4265]

Very glad everything worked out. I would not have been able to tell the difference . Some one tried to scam me on a SanMartin. I ordered a 40mm San Martin with pt5000 what I got was a 43mm with seiko Nh36. I immediately called eBay they were extremely upset. They refunded me all my money and told me to keep the watch.

[@whatsonthewrist]

Hi, Richard. I’m very glad that things worked out for you too. It’s hard to tell in most instances until we see the real one side by side, but even then we can still get fooled.

[@the.hamel.mammal7802]

How is a seagull worth faking?

[@whatsonthewrist]

Their movements are pretty good and they’re brand recognition is solid.

[@ShardsOfNarsil]

I bought a SeaGull army watch from Times International and if it is a fake its of a quality I have a hard time believing.

[@whatsonthewrist]

Hopefully yours is legit, Christian 777.

[@rentsy3444]

wow where can I get some sea gull tourbillions?

[@whatsonthewrist]

I left a link to the store that helped me in the videos description, Rentsy.

[@mmtbmts4100]

Could you make a side to side comparison fake and real one

[@whatsonthewrist]

I believe this video is about that.

[@FullJikama]

I’m sorry which one is the fake one? I’m confused

[@whatsonthewrist]

The smaller one.

[@francisng341]

what is HWC tourbillon movement? Hangzhou or PTS movement?

[@whatsonthewrist]

Hi, Swee Siang Ng. HWC makes movements too.

[@Happyfacehotwheels]

The real one looks really nice. From what I understand China copies everything even Chinese items. If they can sell it, they will make it. I remember back in the day, Street vendors in the city would be tripping over themselves and each other to sell you something. That's how China is.

[@chaipod]

Remember John Denver sang, 'I'm sorry the way things were in China...' n 40+ ั yrs later many thing u buy comes from China n cheaper.

[@whatsonthewrist]

True, Chai.

[@joshgarland28]

For lower budget to get into turbillons would you recommend the faioki turbillon Neptune on the same site you linked in the comments? Is the turbillon a seagull one or not? Thanks!

[@whatsonthewrist]

Hi, Josh. No the Faioki tourbillon is not a Sea-Gull. It uses movements by HWC. Good movement choice.

[@joshgarland28]

@@whatsonthewrist as a good first turbillon for someone who’s not rich but wants at least a few years out of it, would you personally recommend it based on its stats?

[@whatsonthewrist]

@ Josh. If you’re still referring to the Faioki house brand then it is a nice option at a fair cost. While HWC started making watches, they are better known for manufacturing very good movements. Faioki has been a trusted source and I know they work directly with HWC, no middle person involved. So long answer is sure if you like the look because the quality is good.

[@hvacae6904]

So where we can buy a real one cause seagull is not available on most of the mall ?

[@whatsonthewrist]

Hi, HVAC AE. I think I included the authentic seagull link to the online store in the description. Faioki.com

[@Dashdonkey]

Is seagull same as sugess?

[@whatsonthewrist]

Hi, Dave. These brands are not manufactured together.

[@unclesuworld]

No they are not

[@danielangelov91]

What is (as I hear it) "gealashe"?

[@whatsonthewrist]

The detailed pattern on the dial.

[@vr2vna]

You are comparing two different versions of seagull watches. Smaller one is ST8004, dial diameter 40mm. Larger one is ST8004SZ, dial diameter 42m.

[@whatsonthewrist]

Yes, John, you are correct. But the point was being sold a fake Sea-Gull with a dial that tried to pass as the ST8004ZS.

[@vr2vna]

@@whatsonthewrist Oic. I noted that as well. Thanks.

[@evonrn2000]

Where can I buy the real one?

[@whatsonthewrist]

Hi, AGN. Faoiki.com is an AD and they helped me with the real one. I also left a link to their website in the description.

[@evonrn2000]

@@whatsonthewrist Thank you so much my Friend 🙏

[@whatsonthewrist]

My pleasure. Jeffrey will take care of you. Please let me know how it goes for you.

[@jlse170]

And the price? It's equal?

[@whatsonthewrist]

Yes they were the same price for me, José Luis Serrano.

[@floyde9630]

I was thinking of buying Sea-Kors... Is that a bad watch?

[@whatsonthewrist]

Hi, Floyd. I think it uses a Sea-Gull movement, case, and dial and basically inserts its branding in place.

[@floyde9630]

@@whatsonthewrist Would you consider it as fake?

[@whatsonthewrist]

IMHO yes. It may be a real watch with a legit movement but still a fake.

[@althebrokeone7383]

Idk how you missed the single most obvious difference. The fake one has dates going up in odd numbers while the real one has different numbering completely.

[@whatsonthewrist]

Hi, Michael. I think I might have pointed that out. There are a few more differences I noticed since. On the fake, the date spills onto the rehaut area while the real one stays within the ring.

[@andrewcorless4147]

Hello - I don't believe you have a fake watch there; I believe they're both authentic, just different versions. The one you're calling the real one is model ST8004ZS. Retails off their official Chinese website for 16800.00 Yuan (appx. USD $2,600), and in Canada and Europe for more than that (probably due to import fees, etc.). The second one, the one you're calling fake, is model 819.316. It's currently retailing off their official Chinese site for 959.00 Yuan (appx. USD$150). I'll give you the links for the official site so you can check out the differences. If you google Seagull Canada or Europe you can double check. Or, you can go to the wikipedia page, at the bottom you can find the links to the various global sites they sell through. Tricky stuff to stay on top of! Here's the official site links for both models: www.sea-gullmall.com/goods/detail/id/226/is_custom/0.html www.sea-gullmall.com/goods/detail/id/262/is_custom/0.html Cheers!

[@whatsonthewrist]

Hi, Andrew. Thanks for sharing this. Sea-Gull actually took the watch (the one I referenced as fake) because they did not manufacture it from within their facility. Hence all the misaligned numbers etc on the dial. It may use a genuine seagul movement but it’s not considered authentic since they didn’t manufacture it nor give permission to use their branding. Sea-Gull provided me with their authentic watch manufactured by them.

[@andrewcorless4147]

@@whatsonthewrist That's super encouraging, really cool they did that. They have a nice skeleton on their Chinese site that they don't sell over here...thinking of ordering it, and from your experience, sounds like a very good company to deal with!

[@whatsonthewrist]

May I recommend Jeffrey at Faoiki.com. He is an AD for Sea-Gull and he can help you get you a watch that is hard to find directly from Sea-Gull. I don’t get anything out of it, but I know he is very helpful and honest.

[@andrewcorless4147]

@@whatsonthewrist That's great - thanks for lead. Do you mind posting the company link again, it's not working...thanks!

[@whatsonthewrist]

@@andrewcorless4147 faioki.com. I also left the link in the description of the video. Let me know how it goes for you.

[@davidpopatnig8527]

Where can i buy a real one? The link in the description does not work in my country (europe)

[@whatsonthewrist]

Hi, David. Try to Google Faioki watches and maybe it will come up in your country. If not let me know and I’ll see what I can do further.

[@whatsonthewrist]

@David. You can also email Jeffrey at Faoiki at [e-mail]. Jeffrey will take care of you.

[@davidpopatnig8527]

@@whatsonthewrist ok thanks for the answer

[@blueshirtbuddah1665]

Nice video. Thanks for being honest with us Rich.

[@whatsonthewrist]

Thanks, BSB. Hopefully this is helpful for someone. 🙌

[@juniorjohnson5961]

I keep trying to get Richie to check out Flippin Zippo and Join the discord !!

[@dracolnyte]

if its a tourbillon, then they are both real. one is a manual wind, hence thinner and smaller

[@whatsonthewrist]

Yes both movements are legit. The issue was the manual wound movement was inside an unauthorized seagull case.

[@dracolnyte]

@@whatsonthewrist ah cool minor to me. It's not as deceptive as putting a Chinese movement in a Swiss Rolex case!

[@whatsonthewrist]

@@dracolnyteMaybe so but it’s still deceptive to put a brand on a watch that isn’t yours.

[@dracolnyte]

@@whatsonthewrist i think its all part of the same family now? I see they sell the 40mm under the sea-kors brand while the 41mm is under sugess with a slightly different face. in fact when I search on taobao vs ali vs official website, i see different face variations of the same movement, probably differentiated by the markets they sell it in

[@christurner1226]

Where can I buy this watch?

[@whatsonthewrist]

Hi, Chris. I include the link in the description. It’s faioki.com

[@christurner1226]

@@whatsonthewrist ...thanks... awesome video!

[@whatsonthewrist]

@Chris. It’s my pleasure. Jeffrey at Faioki will take care of you.

[@binkyboobosh1]

Not many companies in China can make or assemble a tourbillion movement. Not sure if you've bought a fake there or just an early version of the same watch. Sea Gull watches are still comparatively modestly priced. It could be that the movement is a Sea Gull but the watch has been cased by a third party.

[@whatsonthewrist]

Yes I believe that was exactly the case. Non pun intended. The movement itself is legit but not faded within their walls.

[@tchmarketing]

Wow crazy. Thanks for sharing all the details.

[@whatsonthewrist]

Hey, Adam. Crazy indeed. But now I have a cool story and experience. 🤙

[@mjmorrill081]

I have been collecting watches for about 15 years. I bought my first 1970s ST5 about 12 years ago. I love it! I have a few of those, a 1963 Chronograph, and the elusive 55th anniversary model. ( which several friends are very jealous) I am going to save up for the tourbillon. I do see some advertised for less than 1000 USD. Should I stay far away? Thanks. I'd rather have a nice Sea-Gull than a Rolex. Just my opinion!

[@whatsonthewrist]

Hi, mjmorrill081. Congrats on your collection. I understand that price sounds attractive and it could very well be the real thing but $1k is a lot to lose. There are even fakes of the 1963 that most people don’t think about because that’s not a high ticket item. I like the source I used. I left a link to the website in the description if that helps. He is authorized. Good luck and please let me know how things go for you. 🤝

[@unclesuworld]

If you buy , make sure buy direct from Sea Gull official website

[@AeternumAngel]

It's strange when I see a lot of people being proud or their fake "Sea-gull 1963" not knowing that it's a fake watch! And alarming that it's being sold by reputable watch guys, that's even more concerning!. Anyway I stay away from any Chinese brand, but do appreciate your honesty Ritchie!.

[@tomlee4540]

Rich, I have a 1963 hand wind chronograph. I received as a gift for an accomplishment at work. It’s in my rotation regularly and without problems. But I never thought about this until now. Do u think the 1963 could be a fake?

[@whatsonthewrist]

Hi, Tom. It’s my understanding that it is possible even for the 1963. But I hope that’s not the case with you. It really boils down to the source of the purchase. It sounds like you’re enjoying it free of issues. 🙏

[@tomlee4540]

whatsonthewrist That’s true. Fingers crossed but I think I’m curious enough to look into it even if it was a gift. Maybe I’ll bring it in to my local jeweler. He’s pretty good. Thanks for this video. 👍

[@whatsonthewrist]

Sounds good, it’s good to be curious. Let me know how it goes, Tom.

[@whatsonthewrist]

Thank you.

[@James_k59psn]

@@tomlee4540 if it has exhibition caseback it’s fake

[@lawrenceong8501]

Very informative and great sharing ! Thanks Rich!

[@whatsonthewrist]

Thanks, Lawrence. And good to see ya, brother. 👊

[@DangerousKittenFangs]

Until you've personally experienced the customer service, I wouldn't tell people they have great service. Any company can claim a great warranty without backing it up.

[@mercster]

Looks like on the fake it shows all the odd numbered dates, but the authentic skips by 2. That at least should have been a dead giveaway (not judging you, I am not good at spotting fakes, but that seems like a pretty big difference... that's why the numbers are squished....)

[@whatsonthewrist]

There were definitely several discrepancies, Merc Fredis.

[@mercster]

@@whatsonthewrist Yeah... I'm glad you finally got the watch you wanted though. I am a poor man and can only buy watches less than $200 or so.. I have looked on some sites for Seagull 1963 (Aliexpress, Ebay) but even those, there is so much variation. I can't tell what is authentic and what is not... I also understand there is a difference between Sea-Gull and Seagull. I guess they all have an authentic movement so, that's good... My perfect Seagull would be 40mm, sapphire crystal, display caseback. Oh well I'll probably just buy another toy :-) Thanks for the video.

[@whatsonthewrist]

I reviewed a different Sea-Gull in a smaller size. It was a Sea-Gull Matrix maybe more to your preference, Merc.

[@lardiserrano5988]

This would’ve been perfect if the whole video they are compared side by side.

[@whatsonthewrist]

If I recall there are side by sides, hopefully enough to identify any differences, Lardi.

[@michaelkaercher]

All good. But if I spend 5.000-80.000 Euro on a watch I do not buy a chinese one. That is the price they are sold in Aliexpress currently from sea-gull. If you want to buy a ok quality tourbillon then you go for a sugess and you get a cool piece for 700 Euro. It is a cool gadget but it is not the highest quality.

[@NIN8914]

Well, Bonia has a new Tourbillon Watch... :'D

[@whatsonthewrist]

Enjoy your next tourbillon from either brand. They’re nice to look at indeed. 🤙

[@tongxu721]

Sea gull movement is very cheap. Such as st3600 series It's only about 125 yuan(19.5USdollar @6.4), goose neck trim should be added 2＄. In fact this is retail price. "small"workshop's price maybe less than 15＄...

[@whatsonthewrist]

I agree.

[@msbrownbeast]

Would this type of watch movement stand up to daily usage?

[@whatsonthewrist]

Hi, msbrownbeast. I think so unless you have a very physical job. But it’s great in an office environment.

[@msbrownbeast]

@@whatsonthewrist It really looks cool. Which would be the safest place to purchase this watch (i.e. a real one)?

[@whatsonthewrist]

I got this from Faoki.com. They are an AD for Seagull. I think I put their website in the description.

[@msbrownbeast]

@@whatsonthewrist tks!

[@whatsonthewrist]

My pleasure. Also let me know if you’re interested in one. I think I might be able to help with a discount code. I don’t get a commission.

[@juniorjohnson5961]

I have the Seagull 1963 very nice watch outher than that I haven't looked at their watches much , I'm glad you can got the situation straighten out Nice looking watch !! Congratulations 🎉

[@whatsonthewrist]

Congrats on your 1963. Thanks. Sorry just been busy but I checked out one of the shows with Blueshirt on it that you were talking about. Thank you, Junior. 🙌

[@juniorjohnson5961]

@@whatsonthewrist I think you would like the live stream it would be nice to have you on !!

[@whatsonthewrist]

@Junior. Whomever is in charge, please let him know to send me an invite and I’ll do my best to join. Thank you, sir.

[@juniorjohnson5961]

@@whatsonthewrist Blue Shirt Buddha is one of The people , I'll let him know . During the show they send out a link to join the show ! But he could have you on as a special guest since your a Utube celebrity !😂

[@whatsonthewrist]

Thanks for making me laugh a loud. That was funny. Nonsense but funny. Please nothing special but let’s try it when you guys are on and if timing works out then wonderful. What’s the channel again...Showcase?

[@jgab115]

How can you get scammed if you just order from the seagull website itself seagullwatchcompany

[@whatsonthewrist]

There are a lot of websites that claim to be a genuine Sea-Gull store when they are not, JGab.

[@jgab115]

@@whatsonthewrist oh yeah I see. Its hard to imagine why they would fake a Sea-gull watch haha. Good work

[@whatsonthewrist]

Thanks, JGab. 👊

[@kennethbraun1568]

1. You get what you pay for. 2. If something is too good to true it usually isn’t

[@maciekjr06]

You saying Chinese are making fakes of their own watches 🤔🤔🤔🤦‍♂️🤦‍♂️🤦‍♂️

[@bodhimeditation108]

F*@k!! Fake watch inception lol, how can you trust anything? Makes me hesitant now I was considering a Sugess or Sea-Korea which supposedly use genuine Seagull movements but now idk

[@boomclash101]

The government will fix this oversight as soon as they get wind of this travesty. 😑 lol

[@solo8827]

hello.. may i ask how much is the real m182sk seagull. if you have an idea, i will really appreciate it. found m182sk online with a price tag of 150usd. i don't know if it's ligit.

[@whatsonthewrist]

Hi, Lemuel. Well the model you are referencing is not the same model I have. However, may I suggest contacting the company that helped me? I left the link to their website in the description. They are an AD for Seagull and are a great and legit source. Let me know how it goes in your quest.

[@solo8827]

@@whatsonthewrist thank you for the info. i will let you know if i will get the info i need.

[@whatsonthewrist]

My pleasure. 🤙

[@solo8827]

@@whatsonthewrist sir, any online store you can suggest that sells authentic seagull watches?

[@solo8827]

I just realize that you already got an answer of my last question. And its faioki.com.. By the way, i got a reply from them. They said the price is possible because the model is on sale right now in some areas.. 150usd is more or less fare enough if it's on sale..

[@tommy2553]

The first carousell watch ( not really a flying tourbillion which is different) is a seagull automatic movement, like the 818.900 model. The second watch (fake one?) is also a carousell "tourbillion" having a genuine seagull movement, but it is mechanical, meaning that you have to manually wind it. Most of the watches offered in aliexpress for example carry the ST8000 series movements which are manually windened. I think it dependes how much you want to pay, not necessarily a scam. I dont se the scam here just different watches with different movements.

[@whatsonthewrist]

Hi, Tomas. One of them uses a Sea-Gull movement but the watch itself is not manufactured by Sea-Gull. A third party used an unauthorized branding.

[@tommy2553]

@@whatsonthewrist I have just noticed what you have said. Totally impressed and sory for the first impression. Where did you buy the not real one?

[@whatsonthewrist]

@Tomas. Interestingly, they were both from the same person. However, it was before the broker became an authorized dealer for Sea-Gull. He was fooled going thru a third party. Fortunately he no longer has to deal with that. As an AD, he only deals directly with Sea-Gull. Prior to becoming an AD, he was a good guy who did the right thing for me and remedied the situation promptly. Faoiki.com is now the good source.

[@yasyasmarangoz3577]

What is your opinion on sugess watches?

[@whatsonthewrist]

@Yasyas. Decent and affordable designs. If I recall they use Sea-Gull movements.

[@yasyasmarangoz3577]

@@whatsonthewrist Thx mate! I own a moonphase branded Sugess, for the price I was more than surprised... Keep up the good work, I like your channel!

[@whatsonthewrist]

Congrats on your Sugess. Who doesn’t like moonphases? And thanks man. 👌

[@johndesmond1987]

So, completely different movements.

[@whatsonthewrist]

Yes, true.

[@harrycee656]

People makes fakes of anything that can make them money. Regardless of whether the product is Chinese, Swiss, etc.

[@whatsonthewrist]

Yep, Harry.

[@landscapes4149]

At least you got some interesting content out of it.🤷🏻‍♂️ I need some of those cuff links.

[@whatsonthewrist]

Cool cuff links indeed. Cheers, Land Scapes. 🤙

[@PhoenixRising-nm1he]

I love the irony of a Chinese watch being counterfeited!

[@whatsonthewrist]

Well to be fair it’s not any Chinese made watch that had a doppelgänger.

[@alexsdg3441]

Hi rich. it has been a while since you made a thorough and detailed watch review which reflect your watch knowledge and love of the industry. I really enjoyed this video and probably I will pick up one Sea-Gull watch when I go to China early next year.... Hopefully we will get the vaccine and this pandemic will be over by then. Thanks again and great video, Rich. have a wonderful day.

[@whatsonthewrist]

Hi, Alex. I felt this video needed to be made. It was actually longer as I pointed out every single details on the fake, but I think it was enough to get the point. The dial is thoroughly flawed. And yes let’s hope for a vaccine sooner than later. 🤙

[@ronjenkins4257]

Sorry you got scammed; thanks for helping others in the future. When comparing the two watches however, just lay them down side by side, so we can see from one to the other. Holding them up one at at time, flipping them front to back, is disorienting.

[@whatsonthewrist]

Good point, Ron.

[@NoldorinPrince]

It isn't real alligator band....it is stamped leather

[@whatsonthewrist]

Surprisingly it’s alligator, NoldorinPrince.

[@cartoonpete407]

Crown on the fake looks signed though 🙂

[@whatsonthewrist]

Hi, THE SINGING CARTOONIST. Yeah it’s a pretty well made fake for sure.

[@cartoonpete407]

@@whatsonthewrist Thankfully it ended well! Thanks for sharing :)