HOW IS HE DIAMOND?! | Is It IMBA Or Do I Suck?

[@wherethetatosat]

16:19 Reminds of Winter. "Yup, scanning to see there's still a group of Lurkers that killed my entire army and hasn't unburrowed."

[@kurzackd]

"Winter" ?

[@HP-ip5ow]

@@kurzackd WinterGaming, he does a series called Angry Coach which is like IODIS but meaner lol

[@courageousmelon5654]

Is it just me or was Harstem extra friendly and coachy this IODIS? haha

[@Ben-gd1so]

I agree. I think he was genuinely impressed with the Terran's play and wanted to give him real advice to get better.

[@danielzawacki4192]

Also, as Harstem pointed out early, it is very understandable to be frustrated with lurkers when the primary advice given to sub-GM terrains is marine, marauder, medivac, repeat. With a short to the point request, that both points out that he’s been trying to help himself before whining, as well as pulling on frustration Harstem can identify with, it doesn’t really surprise me that he was quite a bit more forgiving this time.

[@quitte1505]

his "friendly" request is regarding to the nice message of victor

[@soggycheese8485]

Because the form was short and to to point. "I dont know how to play against lurkers, help me". He is really just asking for coaching. And yeah he played well. Harstem respects that frustration with a unique unit

[@assiaisindegyara4905]

Yeh, dudes actually a good player, but just doesn't know lurkers. I always assume harstems having a blast and isn't actually frustrated with the players. And that still may be true, but here it's actually worth giving the advice. Like as he said this guy has a good understanding of the game. Giving advice doesn't seem useless. I imagine most people who post the things just want to hear what he has to say without acting on it. I guarantee this guy will work on what harstem said.

[@juice17776]

This is probably the most useful IODIS for the submitter ever.

[@Sequence322]

I don't play Terran or Zerg and it's probably one of my favorite episodes

[@amhm8664]

@@Sequence322 you simply meant, you play toss xd

[@ralfanari8854]

@@amhm8664 It could also mean he does not play starcraft

[@anatole088]

@@Sequence322 I don't play starcraft and me too

[@amhm8664]

@@ralfanari8854 quite right actually, :D

[@You-ul8qw]

25:44 Proof that Harstem is the master. He can click an orbital command with such timing and precision that this command center has 50 energy and yet cannot quite scan yet. Amazing.

[@kurzackd]

...what? O_o

[@nfzeta128]

@@kurzackd basically he clicked it right as the energy was ticking up to 50 energy for scan but the scan icon didn't yet change to available. Though Harstem had frozen the game so he could check all at the same moment.

[@kurzackd]

@@nfzeta128 is this a display bug? Or lag-related? Or is it just exactly as it is supposed to be? O_o

[@nfzeta128]

@@kurzackd not sure, probably either a display bug or just how it's coded.

[@kurzackd]

@@nfzeta128 if it's "just how it's coded" that doesn't make it not-a-bug...

[@victordias8899]

Hey Harstem! Thanks for looking into my game

[@dannymish573]

Gotta appreciate the short form. He wrote a clear imbalance complaint, most of these of are essays.

[@Amoeby]

What? Essay type of complaint is the best.

[@ZerglingLover]

@@Amoeby they’re normally really boring. just say x unit is imba, or do i suck? and move on.

[@rodcosta290]

@@ZerglingLover While it's true that straightforward statements can sometimes be more direct and to the point, there is a distinct value in essays that delve deeper into topics and provide a nuanced exploration. Essays allow for a comprehensive examination of ideas, encouraging critical thinking and a more thorough understanding of the subject matter. One of the primary advantages of longer essays is the opportunity to present a well-structured and well-supported argument. By breaking down the topic into various components and providing evidence, examples, and analysis, an essay can offer a more convincing and comprehensive perspective. This depth allows the reader to gain a holistic understanding of the issue at hand, fostering a more informed and nuanced view. Moreover, essays often serve as a platform for the development of critical thinking skills. They require the author to consider different angles, anticipate counterarguments, and present a well-rounded conclusion. This process not only enhances the writer's analytical abilities but also encourages readers to engage with the content on a deeper level. In addition, the extended format of essays allows for the exploration of context, history, and implications. This contextualization is crucial for a thorough understanding of any topic, helping readers appreciate the complexity and interconnectedness of different factors. By providing context, essays can illuminate the roots of a particular issue, its evolution over time, and its potential future trajectories. Furthermore, essays are an effective medium for expressing creativity and individual voice. While a succinct statement might convey a point efficiently, an essay allows for the exploration of personal perspectives, experiences, and unique insights. This personal touch not only makes the content more engaging but also contributes to a richer and more diverse discourse. In conclusion, while brevity has its merits in certain contexts, essays provide a valuable space for in-depth exploration, critical thinking, and the development of well-supported arguments. Their extended format facilitates a thorough understanding of complex issues, encourages analytical skills, and allows for the expression of individual perspectives, making them a valuable tool for intellectual engagement and discourse.

[@ZerglingLover]

@@rodcosta290 Very few people want to watch Harstem read a 60 paragraph essay on why banelings are imbalanced. There’s a reason he stopped doing them.

[@rodcosta290]

@@ZerglingLover i was just having a laugh, used gpt to make this haha. every one has his own opinion and thats fine

[@esarel]

harstem deciding whether he'll give the man in the desert the water or drink it so he can talk about how he sucks longer is a great image

[@Aristocrat15]

Came for SC2 content but learned how to invest instead. Thanks Harstem!

[@hawkenparker]

Same, I already invest 50k using his sound advice!

[@Supergoon1989]

15:06 Terran played beautifully right up until this fight. He got advanced warning of zerg army from sensor tower for a few seconds, then saw the lurkers with his army, had ample time to realise the fight would not be good and he should definitely leave as soon as he sees them start the burrow animation. but he just stims into units he can't even see.... :/

[@nfzeta128]

Wouldn't say beautifully but he definitely had a plan. The micro was actually just 'eh' but the macro and decision making was pretty good until he closed in on that time. Seems like the terran may even be new to starcraft and just put in the work to study the game beforehand.

[@Supergoon1989]

@@nfzeta128 No, they didn't look 'new' that was someone who has played for quite a while, they clearly knew what they were doing. Diamond level looked accurate to me. And that takes time. I'm Iow diamond at best and i've played for many years now.

[@nfzeta128]

@@Supergoon1989 The things he did the best in are the things that don't require experience as much as you can get from watching guides and such. He may just be a talented player who did his homework and that's why some of the basics are tripping him up.

[@richardgallimore5976]

@@Supergoon1989 Agreed, did not look like a new player that just looked at some guides at all. Looked like a Diamond player who probably has 500+ (could even be 5000 as progress gets much slower at that mmr) games played.

[@WouterLockefeer]

Just discovered this channel via KZbin recommendation. Rekindled my love for Starcraft 2 with your great commentary. Awesome work, keep it up!

[@parrotsticks]

That was a very friendly and understanding iodis. Nice

[@alfonshasel1995]

Holy crap you even thought about giving a disclaimer regarding investment advice ;) btw giantgrantgames would probably like to have a word on you thinking drones arent the best units in sc2

[@robertb7230]

Can kind of sympathize with him--the combination of being stealthed, long range and AE makes Lurkers an extremely unique unit to deal with. And the issue is in lower leagues, the vast majority of games will end before they come out. So many terrans get very very little practice against them and its just extremely frustrating when learning often creates instant losses because you chose to make a split second choice incorrectly.

[@colossaldonut5190]

Yeah, good thing Terran doesn't have long-range stealthed units that can create frustrating situations leading into instant losses!

[@robertb7230]

​@@colossaldonut5190 Kind of hard to compare a spell caster who uses a single target ability that requires intense micro, and also has to balance energy usage between stealth and their damage ability with a general purpose unit that produces an AE effect and utilizes stealth without the need for energy. Ghosts kind of become comparable in TVZ in the absolute top end pro-league where a 400 APM player can micro up 10 steady shots in under a second while managing energy and moving his army. The idea that you're seeing ghosts have near the same impact in diamond or even masters is...well, its silly.

[@nfzeta128]

@@robertb7230 think he was talking about mines. Ghost don't require perfect usage to be op anyway. Even if you don't snipe everything and have the ghost win the fight single-handedly sniping a few lurkers is already great and if it's against protoss it's even easier with emp. Also ghost snipe is usually used when the enemy retreats or the terran gets the drop on someone so you usually don't have to juggle much army movement with their use. Honestly in late game Terran could make their life easier at lower skill levels if they pair ghosts with more mech and less other bio, especially vs zerg.

[@robertb7230]

@@nfzeta128 Mech and bio aren't on the same upgrade tree, and most Zerg underestimate the immobility of mech and how easily exploitable that is in late game with a zerg who a lot of creep spread. (Like mech is essentially just a worse version of Lurker backbone comps. Mech has almost zero advantages compared to Lurker comps except just a little more range, but its several times less mobile--so the same strategy used to beat lurker, IE stay mobile, is easier to execute vs mech. It's why mech is so rare in TvZ in pro matches or the ladder) Mines are actually a decent comparison but they really fall short, because what they tend to 'wreck' in TvZ is a single comp if you micro them wrong, while Lurkers generally destroy everything unless you micro against them correctly. And that's the difference, with say mine--you can use macro to effectively nullify its advantage, you can't really do that with Lurker--the answer MUST be micro. And I'm not saying Lurkers are OP--but they are VERY unique in how you need to handle them, you can't use the same strategy as you would with any other unit (And that's actually rare in SC2) PvT mines are a different story, sure--but this is about TvZ. I would say of non-spell casters though, Lurkers are probably the most difficult unit to deal with in the game. The combo of AE, Stealth and long range, without energy usage or need to micro-target, just makes them a very unique unit to deal with.

[@nfzeta128]

@@robertb7230 They aren't but the mines don't need army upgrades and honestly neither do the tanks. Ghosts are their more as spellcasters not damage dealers. Also see how you already have a lot of conditions the zerg needs to win there? Good creep spread, and a mobile army? That's basically only ling bane muta which is weak to mines unless the zerg is just playing better and far ahead. The strategy may be easier to counter but it's also much easier for the Terran to play, hence the purpose of my advice for people who don't think they can handle ghosts with bio. "Mines are also a terrible comparison because what they tend to 'wreck' in PvZ is a single comp, " What?? Mines kill almost every tier 1 and 2 unit the zerg has, even roaches and ravagers which won't be as countered still would be softened nicely with a couple mine hits. Also how are marines and marauders 'everything'? Because that's all lurkers counter. Tanks as you say have longer range, Liberators just counter lurkers, ghosts are about even and depend on who gets the drop on whom but ghosts kill lurkers faster than lurkers kill ghosts if the Terran gets the drop on the Zerg. The above things are exactly what using macro to counter the lurkers is like. Heck just staying ahead and pressuring means the zerg would be hard pressed to transition to lukers. Drops also abuse their lack of mobility. You're literally proving the whole Terran blindspot with this one. Lurkers are only difficult to deal with if the zerg is playing better and being allowed into better positions, or being allowed to spread creep too far. Terran can just use tanks and libs to shred them before they can get close enough and burrow. This is also ignoring scans as an option. Protoss, while they would have a harder time can just use disruptors and time warp.

[@HighLanderPonyYT]

0:25 The dramatic delivery cracks me up every time! :D

[@MrSkarlowy]

Terran seems to over-stim a couple of times too, especially when he's panicking against the lurkers

[@drewseman9389]

✍️”90 supply of bio beats 6 queens.”✍️

[@bencheevers6693]

I really feel like I've seen CiTIZEN somewhere else on this channel or maybe Lowko, just the all caps looks so familiar in this font on the replay screen, and I'm pretty sure this is the first time I'm watching this episode as I'm catching up on all these episodes and had missed about a month and a half

[@Spaminator3000]

As Destiny taught us over 10 years ago, "Our BM is never prioritized over our macro." Or in Victor's case, over our unit control.

[@puqpetmaster]

"Often times - the biggest enemy - is our own minds" :D 26:08

[@hermeticinstrumentalist6804]

Damn. A fair breakdown. That individual could use a lot of work, but their early to mid game, as you said wasn't bad. Really enjoyable episode.

[@ashleywalls4097]

The ole half a tank trick. Gets 'em every time.

[@Ranfelt77]

Seems like Harstem was having a good day today, normally you just savagely tell people they suck :D - so many compliments in this vid

[@hermeticinstrumentalist6804]

@@stuwkd123 Yeah, it was very pleasant.

[@phelanwolf6747]

A single raven and 2 banshees would have slaughtered those lurkers. I always wonder why banshees have fallen so much out of favor. They are basically terran dark templar, only faster and can only be hit by anti air if there is detection. Sure research for cloak and speed is expensive but better than to die by lurkers.

[@st4rk1113r]

It's because to get lurkers, zerg have to have hydra. So the counter for banshie is already available. It's not the same for liberator because they have a better range, so libs can stay atop the terran army and pounder the zerg's.

[@alpha-cf2oi]

nah libs way better if u ask me

[@tigera6]

You can only make a single Banshee out of a Starport with TechLab at a time, and you still need to make Medivac for the Bio. Its also coming down to the production cycle.

[@kurtsolizcek9542]

Harstem at day -1: Lurkers are not imba. Harstem at day 0: thumbnail says lurkers are broken I like

[@lustydouglas7316]

Love "is it IMBA or do I suck" thanks for making them, Captain!

[@Crash32378]

I love this game I just started playing and wish I had the skills to play like you guys do. I play on casual and enjoy the crap out the story. I enjoy watching your videos though cause they got me started playing. So thanks man.

[@Kytrion]

You can also play casually rankeds. There is no difference at all

[@glassberg5018]

At 19:18 I'm pretty sure a widow mine shoots a spreading creep tumor. I didn't even know that could happen.

[@bendunko1904]

Pretty sure it was a Marauder from the sound effect. Mines can't shoot tumors.

[@glassberg5018]

@@bendunko1904 ooo you're right.

[@SaiKisaragi]

nah, I think that was a stray marauder shot lol

[@glassberg5018]

@@SaiKisaragi I am ashamed

[@SaiKisaragi]

@@glassberg5018 it’s ok, we still love you~

[@toPsenz]

“building half a tank“ I love these videos and your commentary =)

[@williamredwine722]

he couldve wiped out the zerg several times but decided to go back home every time to defend against an inferior force

[@chloesmith4065]

"Oftentimes, the biggest enemy is our own mind" - incredible words of wisdom from the Captain... Applicable to more than just an sc2 match

[@alpha-cf2oi]

liberators are great against lurkers btw, imagine there were 2 or 3 setup at these outside bases...

[@nfzeta128]

yea, even if you don't think you have the apm for the ultra zerg counter that is ghost, Libs are an easy but effective option, having a raven would have also been nice since he wasn't spamming orbitals.

[@assiaisindegyara4905]

@@nfzeta128 how do ghosts ultra counter, is it just in snipe? I've been using them a decent amount recently against toss but i just build lots of tanks for zerg.

[@tigera6]

@@assiaisindegyara4905 Technically, its Tanks that heavy counter Lurker but they sucks to Viper spell. But Ghost can decently fight Lurker with Snipe, and because they make Viper useless.

[@bernardo.bridon]

Man it would be REALLY helpful if terran had a flying unit with detection.

[@SaiKisaragi]

For me, the best counter to lurker is to make sure they never get a good number of them and to make sure they don't get upgrades. Even better; just make sure they don't get a lurker den / hive tech. Win the game before they can get hive and lurkers are trash :D - Hard Stuck Sliver II Terran player that goes for Servo Vikings or Thor/Hellbat every game - also Hard Stuck Sliver II Zerg that goes for ling, ultra, corrupter every game

[@bobjohnson1096]

Whoa whoa I Thor/Hellbat/Raven and I am 70% vs Zerg.

[@SaiKisaragi]

@@bobjohnson1096 oh yeah, no ravens. Those units fucking suck. They just fly in and die when I f2 a-move.

[@bobjohnson1096]

@@SaiKisaragi They suck because you a-move. Of course they need to be babysat but you can wreck someone so hard with anti-armor with enough matrix all of a sudden that army can't do shit. Btw check out a guy called Ketroc all he uses is Raven.

[@glaDos-]

I'm pretty sure a single Raven could have solve the whole issue.

[@bastooo3]

vs the hydras you lose it all the time. but i guess he woudlve only needed one in that first engagement vs the lurkers. anti armor + detection wuldve been GG. sometimes the micro decisions will win you the game..

[@electricitybomb]

Found the silver league noo

[@nfzeta128]

@@bastooo3 The zerg morphed pretty much all his hydras into lurkers so there weren't enough to burst down ravens or libs.

[@ds8867]

This all could have been summed up, when u see hydra u go for tanks and not mines. The mines you have you spread across the map ( like Harstem said ) or you drop them. More tanks and once you see some lurkers, you rly should tech up into ghost. thats it, great video harstem 👍

[@henningbreede6428]

That's not actually true. Mines are very useful against ling/bane lurker. You will see terrans in pro games keep up mine production all the time, it makes it much easier to play with ghosts too when they have some protection for the ling/bane.

[@meandmyself1600]

Not playing the game, just watching, so lacking personal experience. I always wonder, why terrans do not rely more on mines. They give detection (edit: map vision) + slow down run-bys (like clumped up lings). Is it too hard to maintain a proper first line of defence with mines, or is it too costly in the end?

[@nfzeta128]

@@meandmyself1600 I think a lot of terrans just hyper focus on certain comps, mines are cheap enough that no matter the comp as long as you aren't against another terran you should always have a couple at least, spread out all over the place.

[@henningbreede6428]

@@meandmyself1600 with detection you mean mapvision I suppose. Terrans do commonly put mines on runby paths. Too many mines however has the big disadvantage of sacrificing a bunch of active armysupply making it difficult to put pressure on the opponent. Without support they also get cleaned cost-efficiently by the opponents main army. Against protoss mines additionally fall off hard against colossus. Some are nice against prisms/runbies but too many and your army sucks.

[@meandmyself1600]

@@henningbreede6428 Meant map vision, my bad. Thanks for your feedback guys. For now it sounds like, a reasonable amount of mines would be good but it often gets neglected for whatever reason

[@T-adams]

I LOVE U HARSTEM keep doing the IMBA series.. u are hilarious and it is totally worth the views

[@M0r1tz02]

@Hamster thank you for including buildings in the trade info, really helpful

[@Whoisthis911]

You just know that whenever someone complains about Lurkers its the type of commander who would send his knife-only infantry charging into a dense minefield. Lurkers are a noob-killer unit, its like using dark templar for your main attack force because you know your enemy is densely clueless.

[@Sara_Feingold]

My own mind tells me to invest in negative-interest savings (: Hamster's stamps killed me XD

[@biglittledude496]

Your explanation on Terrence complaining about this because they don't want to switch units is exactly me and I feel attacked

[@biglittledude496]

@Michael Lochlann lol, agreed. Speech to text memes

[@ledrash6079]

@Michael Lochlann Haha, like Karen, but for sc2 :D

[@jikrochmal1174]

This is my biggest problem as a D1/M3 Zerg. Most games contain exactly one big fight, and if (when) I fudge it I lose. There is little opportunity to practice taking fights, and lots of opportunity to practice other things.

[@illlightning]

I’ve started to notice a trend here….. will there ever be a time where our captain actually calls imba

[@vladmatei1958]

What I see from high level players, lurkers, ultralisks, basically everything is useless against terrans because Ghosts. Maybe it requires a lot of skill to play Ghosts efficiently, but someone playing at 4k rating would know the right software, addons to practice.

[@N0noy1989]

Ghosts are very very hard to use vs lurkers. Lurkers and ghosts snipe have same range, and in high level games, there's always a flock of overseers accompanying the ghosts. If you see ghosts murdering lurkers, that means a massive APM investment on the part of the terran, while the lurkers just sit there. Ultra vs ghosts, yeah ghosts will eat them alive. That's why there needs to be infestor. Infestor catching ghost clump and 1 Ultra going on, will massacre a dozen ghosts caught in fungal.

[@vladmatei1958]

@@N0noy1989 I'm sure everything you said is true. My comment was based only on viewing the very high top tournaments where nothing seem to escape Maru's ghosts. Personally I only beat the computer on hardest level, I only did that by cannon rush :) and I never played a 1vs1 game.

[@bozydarziemniak1853]

@@vladmatei1958 In match vs ghosts best response are lurkers + overseers (works good even if mines are added), other way of playing are banelings + lings + fungal growth (this type is better when tanks are added). 1 good placed fungal followed by bane chase can kill 20+ ghosts i don't even say that this is highly cost efficient for zerg. Roaches are good at countering ghosts in early game when they don't have alot of energy for snipes, also in early game spine crawlers do job well vs ghosts. I rather recomend to avoid broodlords and ultras vs ghosts bcs they are less cost efficient in killing them. With good placement of terrain or buildings to cover ghosts they can easily counter tier 3 units of zerg. Mutas, corruptors, ravagers and hydras also not trade good vs ghosts so rather avoid them in your army if you play vs ghosts (do corruptors + ling-banes or lurkers if opponent play bcs + ghosts).

[@MajinSaha]

This was the nicest and most respectful suck claim I've seen from Harstem. Ma man Victor deserved it.

[@magni5648]

Wow, never was this early. And a Diamond player complaining about Lurkers? Oh boi, I have a feeling we're in for a good one.

[@RomanShigapov]

That explanation about different skills and sub-skills so true. I'm good at producing probes but bad at spending resources especially bad when I also need to control army.

[@bobjohnson1096]

I use to have problems with this. Then I learned I can run away. Spam tanks/ widow mine build Raven. Maybe throw in some turrets. Also Liberator when you have enough detection.

[@ghostsmoke11]

19:20 as a business student this made me lol hard

[@alpha-cf2oi]

im not a business student but i DO invest my money so yes me too lol

[@dominikmagnus]

well, in light of final battle, the best advice would be "don't get tilted", I guess...

[@DemonXeron]

Top tip: lurkers don't shoot up :)

[@Fimbu1vetr]

Ahh, did not expect to see an index fund analogy here LOL. The captain is pro at SC2 and investing!

[@Myoron]

Yeah, that's how I am. I can do pretty decently early on when it's just harass but when it's time to start engaging I just get too distracted by unimportant things and start missing out on production

[@emmetsmith6402]

big problem for this guy is he right click the medivacs with his bio. you need to unselect the medivacs so they can heal on the move. with A-move they also heal on the move so even if you can't handle deselecting fast, you can at least a-move the whole army once you're out of range of any targets.

[@1first367]

Props to you Harstem for all you do and I don’t give you enough thumbs ups;) I’d like to have you couch me and day of any week of the year.

[@howlingwolf5213]

I've always been curious why building 1 Raven as a Terran is a bad idea. Why waste so many scans when you could drop mules which I would imagine would gather more resources than a Raven costs

[@soggycheese8485]

So in order to be useful they have to be with the army. Scans obviously dont. Ravens aren't that fast and terran bio needs to poke in and out quickly. You saw in this game when his medivacs didnt boost they all died. Ravens have no boost so when the terran tries to retreat the ravens will get picked off

[@howlingwolf5213]

@@soggycheese8485 I mean the same holds true for Protoss right? Granted theirs are cloaked but once you start making Ghosts the Zerg are going to start making overseers so it's really not that much different in the grand scheme of things and Ravens are even able to contribute to the fight. If they get picked off you can make another one which yes is resource intensive but you'd still have Mules building a huge bank to make up for it

[@tigera6]

@@howlingwolf5213 not just the resource to make a Raven, but also the Starport with the Tech Lab dedicated for it, meaning unless you are willing to swap on and off Starport every time you make a Raven, an extra Starport will be needed or your Medivac production will be cut by half on that Starport. Overseer is cheaper and can be massed simply because there are plenty of Overlord flying around already.

[@Ninjaguy1b]

@@howlingwolf5213 Also keep in mind (in addition to the other points) that ravens cost a significant amount of gas, and mules only mine minerals, so you're going to be dedicating more SCVs to gas and lowering your passive mineral income. A mule is worth about 200 to 225 minerals, and a raven costs 100/200. This can be good for your economy in some ways (marines are an excellent mineral sink) but it messes up your resource economy in other ways (gas/mineral balance, building refineries earlier, and worker efficiency in general). However, ignoring money, ravens are also not great against lurkers in general because they have much shorter detection range than a scan, and flying close enough to see the lurkers often means floating into hydralisk range (and if they have lurkers, they have hydras). At this point the zerg can pick them off cheaply and then you're back to scans anyways except you also spent money and infrastructure on raven production. Using ravens efficiently requires a good bit of micro which is often difficult even for masters players. Late into the game terran can solve detection efficiently by just building extra orbitals. In some games you will see a string of 3-4 orbitals not associated with a mining base that just exist to gather energy for mules and scans. Three mules pays for an orbital, so it is a respectable investment even if you don't end up using the scans. And sometimes (seriously) you just really need to scan 15 times in a row in an extreme late game.

[@MrTubeStuck]

uh... that hurt. He left a game he already won

[@CPeyser08]

13:40 breakdown of power spikes

[@jerubaal101]

I'm here from the future. Harstem's next Terran video is about how lurkers are OP.

[@Bizm4rk]

Seems as a general rule of thumb for terrans: Don't spend your energy on mules when you are floating 1.5k blue.

[@bartoszkupper9551]

I had to close my eyes at 15:18.. I'd end the episode there.. as a Terran I have to say that it was horrific

[@GANGREN997]

Ahoy Harstem, I have an idea for a new series, it might be called (g) rate the cheese, or smth like that, when ppl might send you in similar fashion as is it imba, their worst and stupid replays, when they got blasted - focusing on more weird, shorter, cheese games instead of longer macro oriented. I'd love to see the opposite idea as well, where ppl could could show off their best replays and cheeses, but I understand that replay from a winning player might be a chance to bully and shaming the other player, so I'm not sure if it's possible to do in a proper way. Also maybe then just review a couple of games in one episode instead of one, you might also make topic episodes, like cannon rushes, so it'd be faster for you and more entertaining for us. I'd love to see some strange metal league cheese with your commentary and Hamster comments. Thanks to both of you for the great entertainment you guys deliver!

[@soggycheese8485]

I think he should just have a sub series that is shorter on average and just focus on cheese and the defense against cheese. "Is cheese imba or do I suck" cause all these games are usually macro based when most ladder heroes just cheese anyway. That's what we are all dealing with.

[@hellfox8886]

Speech in the end of the video is so inspiring, lol

[@kurzackd]

07:45 - harsh, Harstem. You're over-critical and you KNOW it. The Terran did well here. Similarly at 11:22 - um... that's exactly how he's like right now?

[@nfzeta128]

It's not being over-critical. Being conservative with stims when you don't have medivacs is basic, especially since he was on creep and therefore would later need the speed against both lings and banes. 11:22 Yes, but later than he should, there was also no prep for further production, especially of air units.

[@kurzackd]

@@nfzeta128 I was more referring to Harstem's general assessment that this wasn't very good for the Terran. Harstem's really over-critical here. The Terran did well with what he had.

[@Belhun]

love the format and how things where stated in this video

[@neeksthecuz]

This episode gave me UK Kitchen Nightmares Gordon Ramsay vibes here with the criticism

[@estebanacgo-o9019]

20:10 you made me just lost 1000€ in 7 different criptocurrencyes

[@drewhitchcock]

That savings account analogy though.....so hilarious 😂

[@kurzackd]

0:00 - wait, he DID NOT write "Dear Harstem" !!! :D

[@sfukuda512]

Make more starports and pump out some ravens. You won't need to scan as often. As the game goes on, make libs, and eventually bc's. You can't stick to tier 2 units throughout the entire game.

[@santeenl]

Lol it’s just what the tank is for zerg since 2010. Terran finally knows what it feels it. You actually have to THINK how you engage instead of pressing a move.

[@balazsfenyes3880]

What could one Raven do... Uthermal: What could 30 Ravens do...

[@nfzeta128]

Honestly, if you're the type of person who is scanning so often for vision that you get caught with no scans then just build a raven. I realise scan is so convenient that Terran doesn't go it unless to use it for other things but the raven is still a pretty good mobile detector unit and using them for turrets is always pretty okay.

[@mibsmibs9166]

Love the build orders at the start

[@robro2214]

As a Terran player I always struggled against lurkers but now I feel better about the matchup

[@ksztaltchmur]

Half a siege tank is a must in the mid game

[@fred.dekker]

best Starcraft material, next to ESL, ASL and Winter ,) Perfect entertainment!

[@ScarecrowKnights]

high quality video and a lovely editor

[@jason5811]

Diversify yo bombs

[@wosnqlwkdken3840]

The terran just needs to fix his large army micro. Split, stim, a-move, instead of walking everything into unscanned lurkers or everything in single file into lurkers.

[@aronrodrigues]

Typical terran. “X unit is IMBA. I can’t win only with marine, marauder and tanks….”

[@nfzeta128]

Worse, the terran could have won with that comp, just didn't have scans available because he didn't spam orbitals or get a raven.

[@Suzumegaeshi]

Love the vod, I don't even play Starcraft, but quick question: Your chair and shirt have mirrored lettering on them, are you left-handed or something?

[@joshuadalton6063]

His camera is captured/recorded flipped 180 for some reason. Not sure why or how it hasn't been fixed, its whatever/however his recording software is setup I guess.

[@Suzumegaeshi]

@@joshuadalton6063 Are you sure we haven't just been unknowingly watching his twin from an evil mirror dimension?

[@ivan12ju]

My English is bad and I'm watching your videos with automatic subtitles. It is impossible 🤣🤣

[@lambdasixtwo8808]

Dammit i wish you told me sooner that this isnt an invesment channel, now im a majority shareholder in Save the kids token. What am i gonna do????

[@lexistar8517]

Classic terran. Has a solid enough build order but psyches themself out when they weren't winning hard enough.

[@nfzeta128]

It's because terran early mid game is dominated by cheap early-mid game units and unlike other races they don't usually see the need to tech up so don't realise they are losing momentum when doing that. Which ends in terrans expecting to win against the counter to their bio army. I guess it's made worse by the fact that they can against protoss where marine marauder can run down collosus or avoid disruptors.

[@uni4rm]

With the issues with scanning and seeing constant lurkers would not a Raven been helpful?

[@bozydarziemniak1853]

IMO best response for this type of play is tank + raven, or tank + bc with mass orbitals. Bio totally suck vs lurkers so just sacrafice them with drops and replace them with some better composition.

[@anonymouse3471]

7:40 this is why you pre-split

[@TheOnlychriss9993]

So, no one is gonna talk about the fact that corpses in this replay just float into heaven?

[@smackyfrog]

Since the lurker burrow speed just got nerfed in the balance update, does that not offer validity to this imbalance complaint? xD

[@MarcoToniolo]

What about a couple of ravens just to save some scans ?

[@lorgarmor5886]

Whenever seeing Terran playing against Zerg with burrow or a lot of creep spread I'm wondering: Is it worth to use a scan everytime to reveal some creep tumors when you could build a Raven and use the energy for mules (or emergency scans) instead?

[@Qlmmb2086]

Ravens are extremely expensive and fragile, and have to be babysat to prevent them from floating right into the enemy army, which is not good against hydra/lurker because the hydra component absolutely shreds them. It's a case of... a scan only costs one action and some mule energy, while a raven costs dozens of action and 200 gas. On paper they *sound* like an easy "build one and have easy passive detection," but in practice they end up being way more trouble than they're worth.

[@nfzeta128]

@@Qlmmb2086 yea but every other race deals with that, terran can also use the same method as with medivacs. Terran's problem is the design of Terran itself. Things are so convenient that change in response feels bad. It's why this guy felt that not going libs or ghosts was fine.

[@Qlmmb2086]

@@nfzeta128 Eeeh... both other races' flying detection are both cheaper and less likely to die; Overseer is 150/50 to Raven's 100/200 and 200 hp to raven's 140 (and mass-producible), and observers are 25/75, invisible, and slow moving enough to not drift in front of the army. And on top of that... zerg/protos don't' have scan. It just doesn't make sense to use a more expensive, more vulnerable version of the other race's detection when you have something much lower risk in your toolbox. If it was really just about "what's comfortable" pro players would be using ravens for detection, because they care more about optimization than comfortable play, yet the higher level you go the *less* you see ravens for detection, not more.

[@nfzeta128]

@@Qlmmb2086 It's true that once you have the money just building more CCs for more scans is easier but in situations where you didn't do that ahead of time a raven is still the quicker choice, especially when you can just put them on a separate hotkey. Ravens are also tankier than overseers and they cost more because they can be more than that. Even if you build them for the detection, nothing stopping you from dropping some turrets. Though i agree it's another instance of Terran design beating terran.

[@Qlmmb2086]

@@nfzeta128 Swapping a starport to tech lab and building a raven is not quicker" than waiting for scan energy unless you somehow have all your orbitals on near-zero energy, and if you're floating over 1000 minerals you really shouldn't be overmuleing to that extent in the first place. How are ravens tankier than overseers? They have 30% less HP and the same armor. You're right in saying they can "do more," but that's kind of the problem; you're paying 4x the gas of an overseer for the same functionality if all you want is detection. Interference matrix isn't great against Zerg in general, autoturrets are useless against lurkers specifically, and the units that benefit most from anti-armor missile (light fast-attacking units) all get shredded by lurkers themselves. In this case it's not so much an instance of Terran being defeated by its own design as it is the Terran player making terrible engagement decisions, compounded a bit by him macroing a little too enthusiastically', insofar as building a lot of SCVs and dropping mules whenever available, and then not doing anything with that money and not having energy for scans because of it.

[@colossaldonut5190]

Zerg is the most IMBA race because they can build any unit in the game by using Neural Parasite on a worker unit.

[@soggycheese8485]

Yes. The OP mechanic used so heavily in sc2 pro scene. It's just so easy to pull off. And you dont at all have to spend tons of recourses to tech up again with the new race

[@Qlmmb2086]

@@soggycheese8485 The Joke Your Head

[@tianmuhe3971]

Another banger, captain!

[@AshtonH9317]

Lurkers can burrow without researching burrow first ?

[@nfzeta128]

Yea, otherwise they would be a useless unit, because they do nothing unburrowed. The same goes for swarm hosts.

[@StormflameMW]

Check out the thumbnail of todays video "Zerg Makes Me MALD | Getting top 100 with terran" and you know, why Harstem was so nice in this "Lurkers are imba" complaint.

[@AntiDoctor-cx2jd]

I suck and I would have been good enough to run away from those lurkers with my marines and no detection. Just anything air. People don't build battle cruisers because at the top tier ghosts are better but you can do a lot of damage with battlecruiers, just have to jump away from corruptors or have some vikings.

[@harrychufan]

Harstem talking about index funds ❤️

[@suigetsuh17]

This was really fun but painful to watch, not that I should be talking I'm a 2k bronze player :)

[@Max-C-92]

look at index founds now HAHAHA, srry, great analisis

[@dasbin8585]

Liberator, Ghost - BANSHEE you forgot to mention. They really hurt ground units well. A terran that has no Raven min 6 should not complain about burry, or invisible units .... I experience quite frequently that people rush that stuff... and raven is never useless. let it sit gain energy if no need for vision, and once you engage you have a nice debuff available, I think for not upgraded rines it is comparable to double dmg... and the debuff feels lasting forever...