We visit Omega pistons to see the fascinating process of forging a 73.5mm A-Series racing piston. Part 2 - • How it's made - Omega ... Part 3 - • How it's made - Omega ...
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@nickbadi35993 жыл бұрын
I installed some heating at Omega 30years ago when they had not long installed the forge. I was chatting to the old chap who ran the business and he was telling me about how when they first started forging pistons they were nearly all scrap due to die lubrication problems. They had had various specialist companies in with sprays lubes etc but no joy. he had nearly given up and he was chatting to a guyin the pub who had worked on a forge all his life. He told him the trick of offering the pot of lube up to the die (1.22 ) they went from nearly 100 percent scrap to have a reasonable sucess rate overnight. Not long after a team from Honda came for a look around and picked up a forged piston and asked how they had made it as they didnt believe it could be forged in that shape . As luck would have it a billet was just up to forging temperature he dipped the die and forged the billet . Luckily it came out perfect the Honda team were very impressed.
@abim25992 жыл бұрын
Hgccx
@benburnett81092 жыл бұрын
BS. It was a bar not a pub. And you left the part out where the guy paid for his chicken fingers and potatoe sticks.
@nickbadi35992 жыл бұрын
The only bars around then we're the alloy ones used for forging the pistons .
@silverxiree2 жыл бұрын
@@nickbadi3599 ahahhaha nice one.
@Omega-Phil Жыл бұрын
That's funny, the old bloke at that time was my dad, Fred, he's still there now operating machines at 85 ;)
@GWAYGWAY15 жыл бұрын
When it came out of the press, it looked like one of my racing two stroke pistons after a meltdown sieze up.
@danhillman45235 жыл бұрын
Right? I have melted a few in my sled motors.
@travissmith22115 жыл бұрын
Nothing like a bot of controlled chaos.
@bnghjtyu7675 жыл бұрын
Looks like a good job to have in the cold winter.
@markdavies97655 жыл бұрын
have used many sets of omega pistons over the years, all have done there job faultlessly ,a quality product. Nice to see where and how there made
@villagetube15815 жыл бұрын
Excellent work 👍👍👍
@sixtyfiveford5 жыл бұрын
That's neat.
@djquick4 жыл бұрын
Very cool! Thx for posting!
@Limeayy5 жыл бұрын
I love this channel!
@victoryfirst28784 жыл бұрын
What is the lubricant you use on the dies and on the aluminum also ?? Thanks
@MEDEngineeringTechVideos4 жыл бұрын
It's a special graphite-based solution, to withstand the high temperatures and lubricate both steel and aluminium. Understandably Omega keep the exact mix a secret.
@victoryfirst28784 жыл бұрын
@@MEDEngineeringTechVideos Thanks.
@onkelt26245 жыл бұрын
This Pistons are well done. 👍😊 Like auf Steak.
@arthurmchugh51845 жыл бұрын
He has done it for HOW LONG?? couldn't stand to work in the same spot day after day
@ZHGAmingAllTheWay5 жыл бұрын
24 years is defenantly a long time but some people do much longer. Had a friend who's mom worked at publix for 40 years
@cristianpopescu783 жыл бұрын
Very interesting! Great video!👍from me
@SubieRow5 жыл бұрын
I need skirts that long. Might help my ej25 stop slapping... ha ha ha
@lianeko90932 жыл бұрын
Can you make piston from damascus steel.?
@martinkamberov49572 жыл бұрын
Hi ! How long does it take to produce a piston - from raw material to completely finished product ready for shipment ? Thanks
@paradiselost99469 ай бұрын
i would say theres about 1.5 to two hours work, all up. they could probably check time sheets and get a pretty good idea "per unit", but remember its all done as batch work... 100, 1000 at a time sort of thing. set that die up, and just punch out blanks for putting on a shelf, then run through on another size... finally a batch gets pulled down, jigs set up for specific runs, lathes tooled, boring machines clocked in... and yeah... hard to really say? only have to set the jig up once for each run... some may stay set and be universal... as a hobby machinist i never saw the sense in one-offs. i always try to make five, ten of something... depends what it is of course!
@beachboardfan95442 жыл бұрын
Why 2618 instead of 2024 or 7075?
@piotrlenarczyk58035 жыл бұрын
These could be even lighter with some perforation. I guess: consider magnesium surface layer for aluminium foam. Thank you for sharing knowledge.
@markhall9125 жыл бұрын
Yeah
@TheAnonymous1one3 жыл бұрын
Awesome vid
@gautamsinghal7397 Жыл бұрын
What temperature we heat the die??
@davidalejandro2442 жыл бұрын
como se llama el horno donde estan los 500 pistones?
@hantimau3 жыл бұрын
2:33 we have same boot
@deaniversen3513 жыл бұрын
polish the fugg out of em, then coat, then balance match, oh boy, knife edged crank all polished up and balanced to the nuts.. fugg it, polish and balance the cams too, everything, weightmatch rods, rings, anything that moves
@NhatCoKim2 жыл бұрын
Chế tạo quá đẳng cấp bạn ơi.
@saeedqab2 жыл бұрын
if you permission me i want to dubb your video in urdu launch your video in pakistan
@florin31613 жыл бұрын
To be very good forged is need that the clamping has no escapes on sides....if has escapes...os only presed aluminium not forged...
@Limeayy5 жыл бұрын
I didn't think they'd use billet stuff to make forged, i thought more of cast aluminum. Wonder how much strength, compressive strength, tensile strength going to billet to forged makes any difference or some difference vs. cast to forged.
@Limeayy5 жыл бұрын
@steve gale I understood the top portion but not the 50x stronger. i really have hard time believing its 50x stronger though... Anyways, thank you for information. :D
@jimthomas7775 жыл бұрын
Lime , you could make a cast piston yourself , just heat aluminum until it melts and pour into a mold , a forged piston is already forged aluminum then heated up and pressed with 400 tons of pressure forging it again , any of this and what Steve Gale said sinking or being forged into your brain yet ?
@Limeayy5 жыл бұрын
@@jimthomas777 ooh ok. Thanks lol i was just curious :D
@Bricksandmortars5 жыл бұрын
@steve gale wont the heat treatment cause recrystalisation undoing all the strain hardening of the forging process?
@leneanderthalien5 жыл бұрын
@steve gale no microfractures: cast aluminium =cristalisation, forged aluminium stretch the cristals to fibers: this made it much more flexible and streong...
@MrFuguDataScience5 жыл бұрын
I would have to do blood work and chest x-ray for long term workers.
@hamstrtj5 жыл бұрын
You what?
@MrFuguDataScience5 жыл бұрын
@@hamstrtj , doing that kind of work over years I would suggests looking into health effects.
@hamstrtj5 жыл бұрын
@@MrFuguDataScience you should focus on your English before complaining about others profession. You can clearly see they suck off the air from the forge. The rest is just dry and not toxic work.
@shadetreeforge5 жыл бұрын
@@hamstrtj Even with good ventilation, there is still the physical wear n tear on the human body! Working at Wiseco piston, (a larger manufacturer) I forged hundreds of thousands of pistons by hand no robotics every year for 16+ years! had to give it up because of health concerns!
@Omega-Phil5 жыл бұрын
Maybe he didn't wear his apparatus so that he could do a live commentary.
@akshayV7014 жыл бұрын
what does 2618 stand for ??
@MEDEngineeringTechVideos4 жыл бұрын
It's a grade of alloy.
@andesandess1153 жыл бұрын
Mantap mister
@fredlee90545 жыл бұрын
Okay...i need to say it....the middle finger bothering me a lot...sorry
@elcb875 жыл бұрын
why is so hard to understand uk slang rather than us?
@goldgitter35485 жыл бұрын
They bend their/ words.
@MEDEngineeringTechVideos5 жыл бұрын
We speak English in England you know...
@elcb875 жыл бұрын
MED Race Technologies so wich is the pure english actualy?
@shadetreeforge5 жыл бұрын
@@elcb87 what the British speak, in the states our English is Americanized! been that way since the Revolutionary war!
@elcb875 жыл бұрын
guys calm down... im just want improve my proper english only... :D
@edmondcasenas25652 жыл бұрын
I realized it's waste of time making your own piston just to recycle the loosen old piston spare parts... Waste of money... Much better to purchase in shop than make your own cuz you need pressing machine kind of stuff.
@marklowe74313 жыл бұрын
Totally different to what I expected. Great video.
@Zak69595 жыл бұрын
Mechanic porn, Old-school.
@chrispilling86335 жыл бұрын
Ace, great videos!!! Really appreciate being able to get this sort of insight!! 👍👍
@scottydntno5 жыл бұрын
Wish they would of shown the complete process including the machining.
@Mekanikpanggilanmanado3 жыл бұрын
mantap
@kevbarry64575 жыл бұрын
Techo porn....Give me more!!! Loved this Jason. What beads do you use? Show us your blasting cabinet.
@nyirgu2 жыл бұрын
Great video. Thank you for taking the time and putting this together Steven. Very informative. Big Thank you!!
@geek96425 жыл бұрын
Loving these videos, really informative.
@pec17395 жыл бұрын
some factory honda B series type-R pistons are made by them
@larryhooverpedofilekillerc41774 жыл бұрын
hello good afternoon thank you for being beautiful thank you for being wonderful I hope you have a great day. Goodnight greatness in you is beautiful
@teukudjw77374 жыл бұрын
Great video guys, thank you. Make sure to put back that suace pan to the kitchen. :)
@gumerranggg46335 жыл бұрын
.....Wowwww!!.Thank you very much. I'm from Thai land.🎃🚬
@kevintucker33545 жыл бұрын
Who doesn’t love to see that hot aluminum squeeze out of the forge press! Sorry, aluminium.... Why is aluminum underlined in red?
@daniel_67415 жыл бұрын
It is called Aluminium, youre missing an i ;)
@camgnilpe93004 жыл бұрын
@@daniel_6741 not in american english!
@stokkelandsmia16315 жыл бұрын
As a blacksmith i do like this , heat treating aluminium has me intrigued thou but i bet that a trade secret .. right ?
@shadetreeforge5 жыл бұрын
Not really, Alcoa aluminum has specs for this and gladly supplies it to the customer, Every alloy is different, If I remember right 4032 = 950deg @ 1hr and quench in 150deg water.
@stokkelandsmia16315 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the answer 👍
@КонстантинПанов-б2и4 жыл бұрын
Hello , please tell me what press pressure is necessary for forming this piston, it is very important to me . The video is cool 🤘 🤘 🏿 💪
@ethanmurphy20062 жыл бұрын
using your manufacturing process for an engineering project in my undergraduate! what is the size of the initial aluminum bars?
@isaacsaenz89354 жыл бұрын
162 estúpidos dont like 👏👏😄😄
@slybunda4 жыл бұрын
ask for genuine not forgery
@jiffypangestu16884 жыл бұрын
My bike using 150 cc diasyl cylinder and forged piston.. ans liquid coollant too 😂👌🏻
@louisvanrijn3964Ай бұрын
After looking to all that piston-casting video's on slippers using mainly undefined alloys, this is deafening step towards quality.
@AmrinderSingh-zx9hr Жыл бұрын
I am running a garrage with the name of PUNJAB RACING STORE Kharar-140307 in INDIA 🇮🇳. Where I modify and tune bikes for RACING. I usually use Wesico,woosner,Pro-X etc. Please tell me, How you can send me Pistons in INDIA as per my requirement.
@AngelaWest-if5ko2 ай бұрын
The guide has been there nearly 30 years. Must be a decent place to work. I’m sure they ask each other “hot enough for ya” every day lol
@paradiselost99469 ай бұрын
heh heh heh. i do this at home ;) well, not quite. i dont have billet (surprisingly hard to get!) so i melt down pistons scored from the racetracks... pour in the mold, let it set... then slam it with the fly press whilst its still pliable. casting... then forged. a piston is amazingly simple to make. yet its amazingly complex! most of its in the accuracy... dead square pin with dead on tolerance bore and the ovality...
@AngelaWest-if5ko2 ай бұрын
I was expecting the forging process to be a machine that slams down on the billet, not something slow like a hydraulic press.
@SevenDeMagnus Жыл бұрын
Cool word 'forged' like Thor's hammer, or Excalibur: "forged by the gods..." God bless the ancient engineer who inventing the first forged tool, I wonder who it was?
@craigywaigy47033 жыл бұрын
Oh come on, we don't need subtitles, just because his accent isn't mid-atlantic and is Northern!!!! Great vid otherwise.
@arefa23502 ай бұрын
Yea but its actually to compensate viewer loss of hearing due to machining noise.
@regimen9786 Жыл бұрын
Can anyone tell whether zinc aluminum alloy is good for making pistons of bitzer semi hermetic?
@doanprasmana14443 жыл бұрын
we aply lubrican.... the lubrican gone to vapor wgeb touch the hot iron... then he swap the iron with towel...
@dieselscience4 жыл бұрын
Blits of Al Millennium?
@redpillsbluepills4 ай бұрын
Its not so labour intensive and fairly a simple process, so why are they so expensive???
@MEDEngineeringTechVideos4 ай бұрын
Material cost and an enormous energy bill. Forging the piston is only the first process. There are many hours of machining once forged.
@chipper4424 жыл бұрын
How many forgings can you do with that tool, before it has to be reworked or replaced?
@MEDEngineeringTechVideos4 жыл бұрын
Omega still has some early forging tools from the '70s. So quite a long time if used properly!
@dadybig65225 жыл бұрын
This fire is on more than 8 hours I amagin the bill
@WPXTacoMan4775 жыл бұрын
dady big probably not that much to be honest, industrial grade fuels can come pretty cheap
@MEDEngineeringTechVideos5 жыл бұрын
Pretty high yes!
@BigRW8 ай бұрын
I was expecting the billets to be hotter, as in glowing red.
@nova01huawei985 жыл бұрын
BTW he's from England
@beedalbahgraham29815 жыл бұрын
Noice
@yavuz72485 жыл бұрын
Where is the part 2:)
@MEDEngineeringTechVideos5 жыл бұрын
On the way :)
@bigbothoee86179 ай бұрын
How Much pressure is required to do that to billet
@rosewhite---2 жыл бұрын
what's difference between a billet and a black? I think billets are long pieces and small pieces like these piston pieces are blanks.
@framegrace15 жыл бұрын
Wow, when I thought about forged aluminium pistons, never really thought it would be like this, just in one step. This is almost "extruded" pistons...
@MEDEngineeringTechVideos5 жыл бұрын
This is just the internal shape - there's a lot more to go yet!
@leneanderthalien5 жыл бұрын
this process is called "matrixing"...
@framegrace15 жыл бұрын
@@MEDEngineeringTechVideos I meant, forging in one step. Used to work on an iron forging company, and is done in multiple steps
@shadetreeforge5 жыл бұрын
Aluminum forging in this case is a reverse extrusion and formed in 1 shot, and must be formed slowly to prevent tearing!
@bestamerica5 жыл бұрын
' what kind of vehicle use this piston
@MEDEngineeringTechVideos5 жыл бұрын
These are for BMC A-Series engines, so Minis, Metros, Sprites etc
@Steve211Ucdhihifvshi5 жыл бұрын
ahhhh by mini piston you mean those shitty pommy cars not small
@edmondcasenas25652 жыл бұрын
Now I understand why pistons cannot casting... Much better to pressed to compressed the aluminum material for greater strength, I saw some video on KZbin attempting to copy the piston rod just to recycle the spare parts of a car made of aluminum cans. It works actually but didn't last long cuz it's casted...
@asicsair10233 ай бұрын
هل تستطيع صناعة سلندر ؟
@olivderpo Жыл бұрын
What is the press effort?
@lhawoekcreator2 жыл бұрын
Amazing
@frankgonzalez21652 жыл бұрын
That's not the full process it's not even finished it half way thumbs down from me sorry
@MEDEngineeringTechVideos2 жыл бұрын
You're right. That's part 1
@karanmalhotramalhotra18733 жыл бұрын
Sar Fiat petra kar ka piston ring piston
@maksud92792 жыл бұрын
hello. I live on the other side of the earth. is it possible to specify the weight of the production process? or to produce jointly in our country ?
@guyconnell22503 жыл бұрын
How do you spell Aluminum in Australia? Is it spelled "A-L-U-M-I-N-I-U-M"?
@afsarauto55393 жыл бұрын
Forging per hour a capacity
@davidvang33102 жыл бұрын
Takes 2 minutes to make why the fuck are they so god damn expensive
@MEDEngineeringTechVideos2 жыл бұрын
It takes a lot longer than two minutes!
@oilylampman72522 жыл бұрын
Just got my lotus esprit pistons from Omega! they do look very very nice!
@MyCatInABox5 жыл бұрын
Damn...that hydraulic machine squeezes the shit outta them pistons, huh?
@stevelee57243 ай бұрын
Why the DUMB music ? Ruined the video.
@MEDEngineeringTechVideos3 ай бұрын
Very loud and unpleasant background noise - there was no usable audio track. Thanks for the comment!
@tonyroma90464 жыл бұрын
Do they spell aluminum differently too?
@MEDEngineeringTechVideos4 жыл бұрын
Do you mean aluminium? :p
@tonyroma90464 жыл бұрын
@@MEDEngineeringTechVideos Really... You spell it that way? That just doesn't seem like a word we'd have different.
@jameswilson88204 жыл бұрын
The English spelling is correct😎
@leneanderthalien4 жыл бұрын
@@tonyroma9046 the only country in the world who say "aluminum" is the USA, in all other countries in the world it's aluminium...
@tonyroma90464 жыл бұрын
@@leneanderthalien Apparently Canada is same as USA www.thoughtco.com/aluminum-or-aluminium-3980635
@gaildimick18313 жыл бұрын
Need a 8-3/4” aluminum piston. 5 ring groves
@subramaniamchandrasekar13975 жыл бұрын
Never heard extrusion can also be called forging.
@MEDEngineeringTechVideos5 жыл бұрын
This is not extrusion.
@subramaniamchandrasekar13975 жыл бұрын
Thanks. You are the expert. No arguments. Regards.
@leneanderthalien5 жыл бұрын
@@subramaniamchandrasekar1397 yes this is not extrusion: this process is in reality called "matrixing"...but the pistons from the common cars (inlusive GTI's) are mold , not forged/matrixed...
@siggyincr74474 жыл бұрын
Extrusion is when it is pressed through a shaped die and comes out the other end with the same profile as the die. Kind of like how some pasta is made. Forging is when a chunk of metal is heated till malleable and then formed between and upper and lower die.
@bearfacts79443 жыл бұрын
Specific!
@konstantin112 жыл бұрын
What temperature do you hear up the billet before forging?
@bigred84384 жыл бұрын
So, after what I have seen in another video in which the piston manufacturing process includes them being cast and machined in many different procedures which is extraordinarily time consuming, I would think that forged pistons are cheaper to make.....but somehow they aren't.
@MEDEngineeringTechVideos4 жыл бұрын
If you check out parts two and three, you'll see the machining involved in making a forged piston is identical to that of a cast piston.
@paulerickson30893 жыл бұрын
Always wondered how they go about forging those. Very interesting.
@Dagowly835 жыл бұрын
MED - What options have you guys got for turbo charged applications on a +40 application without going down the 18cc dish route (as that would give my a CR of 7.8:1)?
@MEDEngineeringTechVideos5 жыл бұрын
We keep a 10cc +40 in the diecast Omega range if that may work for you?
@Dagowly835 жыл бұрын
@@MEDEngineeringTechVideos might be of interest! What piston deck height are they on a standard crank?
@MEDEngineeringTechVideos5 жыл бұрын
@@Dagowly83 They're standard 1.498" crown height.
@SarmatKa7774 жыл бұрын
That press can punch a hole through across the globe :-)
@ralphcruz848411 ай бұрын
Can you make a piston out of titanium material
@MEDEngineeringTechVideos11 ай бұрын
It's not viable, no.
@johnvillagomez6373 жыл бұрын
Just curious, what liquid do you guys use to quench the piston after heat treating? I understand medal can be quench in oil or water after heating to certain degree.
@MEDEngineeringTechVideos3 жыл бұрын
It's a closely guarded secret that one, sorry.
@haseebqureshir93242 жыл бұрын
Very nice work
@6ixss4 жыл бұрын
imagine workers car pistons :D
@DumbCarGuy3 жыл бұрын
Love the video but can anyone answer why you can get 8 forged pistons for a common Chevrolet 350 engine for $300 but it will cost you $1200 to get 4 pistons for a fiat, or lotus or escort
@MEDEngineeringTechVideos3 жыл бұрын
Not sure. We sell the forged Mini pistons for £540 Inc vat
@alreed24343 жыл бұрын
Quantity as production numbers go down price ea goes up. How many people order lotus pistons probably not millions. So the same people probably make multiple types therefore tooling changes e.t.c.