How many Guests can you get in One Year in RCT2?

[@Deurklink]

Your work on this video helped to uncover a bug in the award for best staff that has persisted in OpenRCT2 since 2014 - The function didn't actually correctly check if you have a staff member of every kind, and several other checks were left out. I see the developers made it a milestone for version 0.4.3, so it should be fixed in the upcoming Release version.

[@jazzybamba]

Nice

[@DrSpaceman42]

The fact this 20 year old game from my childhood still has an active community and modding scene is just bananas. Btw love your videos dude!

[@ismaelsantos5378]

@@DrSpaceman42 That's because the game is not "old". It is "classic".

[@toddkes5890]

Hopefully they are also changing the code mentioned in 13:00 so it first removes an expiring award before it checks if you can receive an award. This would allow someone to have 4 awards for 2+ months in a row

[@RobertoCighetti]

@@toddkes5890 then @marcelvos will have to replay the scenario and make a new video, maybe going up to 5000 guests!

[@CinciRon]

I went to Six Flags Purgatory because it had so many prestigious awards, but when I got there, they just funneled me into a long line behind a thousand other people, and I had to watch crappy amusement park line TV for all eternity. 10/10

[@raverblood]

sounds about right for a Six Flags park

[@cs8712]

At least you got in for half price by bringing a can of coke

[@whoeveriam0iam14222]

I don't even think I got hungry waiting for a whole year

[@sinclair2469]

but there was a literal furry show, and even i dont like furries that much, it magically kept a big smile on my face

[@samuvisser]

@@whoeveriam0iam14222 love how u phrased that lol

[@zeroyuki92]

"Since they cannot think about being hungry they doesn't count as hungry" Marcel is the philosophist of modern age

[@ismaelsantos5378]

"Once again a random guest who was born in the right place at the right time, got famous for doing nothing while other guests who achieved much more got absolutely squat" -Marcel describing guest nº 1million.

[@DeliciousDogMeat]

Sounds like something Marx would write

[@ismaelsantos5378]

@@DeliciousDogMeat Nah, the spawn of hegel are way more verbose and confusing (because they don't like debating their beliefs as they don't hold to scrutiny at all)

[@beenjamminbunny9977]

Dude is getting closer and closer to being a real life dictator every day

[@ismaelsantos5378]

@@beenjamminbunny9977 Ever heard of Magnasanti, the perfect city, that was conceived by the mind of a budist monk? kzbin.info/www/bejne/hIWtgoeZYrmkprc

[@spode2917]

Since you've discovered that you can reset the seed which determines the award, technically you wouldn't need to qualify for as many awards if you were strapped for cash - you could qualify for the awards it's cheapest to qualify for and keep resetting the seed until you got lucky. It would take more real-world time (and thus increase the tedium, better have a TV handy), but wouldn't require as much cash.

[@MarcelVos]

You're right. Technically this is possible while qualifying for only 4 different awards, it would just (probably) take a very long time to do.

[@SemiHypercube]

You somehow made tons of guests want to go to a park with plenty of rides that you can never go on, food you can never buy, bathrooms you can never go in, and a monorail that goes nowhere, never thinking anything else because of the TVs that keep them in line forever. For some reason this feels like an analogy for something but I'm not sure what...

[@exeggcutertimur6091]

Hyper-consumerism?

[@matsv201]

Government spending

[@ENCHANTMEN_]

This says a lot about our society

[@PhoenixRoseYT]

Capitalism and influencer culture/idolizing the wealthy

[@MixedByTheScientist]

North Korea?

[@Anarcho_Ingsoc]

"They just stand there like zombies, entertained by TV and the occasional furry walking by" Sounds like my average Saturday night

[@rutgerdenijs9286]

Yeah the furry had me laughing. FFS.

[@theplumbum82]

tbh I'm just seen every time he calls an entertainer a furry. xD

[@mrlaz9011]

your name checks out

[@firockfinion3326]

Surprisingly, Marcel didn't drown a single guest in this video.

[@ShinySwalot]

the ending sounds like an alternate version of "Twelve days of Christmas" XD On the first day of Chrismarcel, my RCT gave to me 1 tiny Monorail that never goes

[@tiaphilbin]

2 more tvs 3 more mechanics 4 park awards 5 broken rides 6 purple coasters 7 more tvs 8 more coasters 9 handymen....

[@Cedgd]

1 billion furrys...

[@MrCheeze]

Feels like watching a TAS. Apart from some very minor details like the exact number of frames that you unpause for, this is the first time anyone has ever done truly perfect play of RCT. I love the alien quality of play that you get, once you optimize for The Best Possible.

[@thomassynths]

How was this a "perfect play"? Marcel claimed in the video he was strapped for cash yet also built extraneous coasters simply to get a power of 2 of them, for example.

[@MrCheeze]

@@thomassynths He got enough cash to totally max out the guest generation (other than some slight imperfection at placing things fast enough during the first month). Since he's hitting the theoretical cap, having a bit more money wouldn't help for the goal he's targeting at all.

[@Tharronis]

You may not like it but this is what peak theme park performance looks like

[@RAFMnBgaming]

Theme Peak

[@elgee8872]

I think the park name should be Claustrophobia

[@sabretooth1997]

You know, those mini corkscrews, when lined up like that, from certain angles look almost like the game's best coaster - the heartline twister!

[@RobAdieComedy]

A challenge I would love to see is building the 'perfect' park. Have at least one of every type of ride, stall, scenery, etc. while also meeting the criteria for every positive award and keeping negative guest thoughts below a certain threshold. Love your channel.

[@HeadsetHistorian]

06:25 'This thought limitation is beneficial to us' Such a terrifying sentence haha

[@jweber018]

This is amazing, 15:40 of absolute nonsense and fun. Thank you Marcel :)

[@rasput1n6]

I love the technicalities you have to discover in order to answer an initially simple question. Good work!

[@Stingin]

"They just stand there like zombies, entertained by TV and the occasional furry walking by" Never Change Marcel Vos

[@MickanMansRCTStation]

I'm glad you drew attention to 'pausing' the game when selecting/browsing in game menus - it can be such a time saver in scenario play, especially when you hotkey the 'pause' button like you were!

[@tkbreen1381]

Hey marcel. Saw something on your “1000 rides in a 22x22” video and wanted to comment on a newer vid so you’d see it. You were wondering why all the entertainers were gathering in the corner of the park. They do this for the same reason as the impossible maze path finding algorithm. All the exit paths were on the same side of the path. Thought it was worth mentioning.

[@worawatli8952]

This is realistic, it's how many investment schemes are run, create some products that do not work but somehow fit to win a lot of awards, also making some insane reviews and marketing to get more investors. Some really nice entry and promises and things to keep investors excited(can't think of hungry= can't think of being scammed). Then before the bubble burst, the firm pack up and run.

[@sophiacristina]

"How was your day at the park?" "F- the park, the TV was GREAT!"

[@heyjakeay]

I reckon there's a slight difference between 'guests staying in your park at one time' and 'guests coming through your gate in a year'. It'd be interesting to see the other strategy (maximise guests input but also remove guests to allow more footfall through the gates)

[@MarcelVos]

The guest spawning is already maximized for the entire duration of the year here. You cannot get any more guests except by getting the park rating to 850 slightly faster and by having a bit better RNG (but that should vary very little over such a large amount of time).

[@heyjakeay]

@@MarcelVos Oh yeah, that makes sense. You'd always have steady footfall without the issue of the park filling up so those goals are one in the same.

[@test-rj2vl]

Imagine if this game had official scenario with goal of 4000 guests at the end of yer 1 or 8000 guests at the end of year 2 that you had to complete in order to move on.

[@pauls5745]

Marcel always finds another tricky way to manipulate the game and break it wide open

[@WackoMcGoose]

Tired: "I want to get off Mr Bones' Wild Ride" Wired: "I want to get *_on_* Marcel's Wild Monorail"

[@josephtattum6365]

Marcel Marcel, how I love your vids Reminds me of the days when I was a kid Playing RCT2 with my sister and friends With rides and joys that never would end Even now, though I am older, and life can be strange There is one thing that I know shall never be changed My love for this game that still fills me with joy Taking me way back to when I was a boy Thank you, Marcel for your humor and wit Thank you for always cheering me up a bit Thank you for getting me back into this game If I ever stopped playing, it would be a shame If I ever am sad, if I ever am blue I can always watch Marcel play RCT2

[@tails183]

There it freaking is. I knew someday RNG manip would play a role in this game.

[@marcusoppong1024]

I guess the only very little optimisation to this question would be to build a custom scenario which only has one tile of path before the entrance since that shortens the entryway to the park and that might pack some 20-30 guests or so. Other than that, insane optimisation there, Marcel, and the tidbit about RNG manipulation was really fascinating. Always enjoy your videos.

[@adiemuller5422]

Somehow, this is my first time realizing the "year" is only March-October. Which makes sense for a theme park, but makes it even more disturbing that guests never leave even while the park is presumably closed/nonexistant during the months of the Winter

[@scarletnight1077]

Ive just got back into this game and it's so in depth Im like shocked, I used to just charge people for the toilet and now I'm thinking about all this math lol

[@AmeHart]

"They just stand there like zombies, entertained by television and the occasional furry walking by" big same, Guest 473

[@UtarEmpire]

If you cannot think about being hungry, then you will never be hungry - so sayeth the Buddha.

[@jacobkueker7779]

As a kid who wasn’t even alive when this game came out I can truly say that this community is awesome and I’m truly grateful that this channel exists

[@IllyasArt]

Always fun to watch Marcel torture guests in fun new ways!

[@GeHeum]

There is a bit of time between when guests enter the park and when they get into the cue line, is it possible for guests that haven't joined the cue line yet to think the park is pretty and thus qualifying for the other positive awards?

[@MarcelVos]

More than 1 in 64 and 1 in 128 guests need to be thinking the park is tidy/pretty respectively, so it can only work when you don't have many guests yet. I tried it but it didn't work. It luckily doesn't matter for the outcome as we got the maximum amount of awards anyway.

[@brianargo4595]

Personal bugaboo, but queue

[@dojelnotmyrealname4018]

12:45 Well this does make sense. You wouldn't need the check for the maximum if they expired before the check went off, since you'd never reach a 5th one anyway.

[@Apiem1]

These challege videos are often my favorite of yours. If I may present a challenge of my own? What is the highest possible troughput of any ride in rct2? Cheats and all!

[@robertwilkinson5865]

Great video. I was surprised you didn’t drown them all at the end.

[@PhilipMurphy8Extra]

Marcel Vos video hype, Going back to RCT never gets old.

[@LilacMonarch]

Standing in a line forever with just TV and furries? Sign me up

[@LCTesla]

Without micro coasters right? Marcel: ... With out micro coasters... right..?

[@gostop1423]

Embrace them

[@cyqry]

"They just stand there like zombies entertained by television..." So like real life? "...with the occasional furry walking by" So like real life then?

[@ismaelsantos5378]

"Once again a random guest who was born in the right place at the right time, got famous for doing nothing while other guests who achieved much more got absolutely squat" -Marcel describing guest nº 1million.

[@scottthewaterwarrior]

Since switching to OpenRCT2 I just enable building while paused, but before that I would often use the unpause, build, pause trick. Origonally started using it in Locomotion when making very long tracks across the map.

[@PSChrisDC]

this park is pretty cursed. even more whenever you think about what's going on: thousands of people standing still in a cue line forever without food or anything, continuously blasted with TV but yet still staring forward to the person before them waiting for a ride that never will start or finish. not to forget the huge amount of actual working coasters with no way to access. and still this park gets overrun with people and awards. love it

[@Bururaian]

Today's Marcel Vos Word of the Day is "multiplicatively"

[@MrTTUStudent]

Your uploads are some of my favorite on KZbin! Thank you!

[@TheTdw2000]

I think if you started with all of these pre-built as part of a scenario it'd be a good way to do repeated testing, unless starting a new scenario doesn't change the seed.

[@mopsnuf]

Amazing video once again. RCT is such an interesting game in Marcel’s hands!

[@herpmcderp5707]

"Standing there like zombies entertained by TVs and the occasional furry walking by" kinda sounds like where humanity is headed

[@Davtwan]

I like how a bunch of guests are coming due to the awards but cannot access the rides and stalls that got the park said awards.

[@Bluedino549]

Very based of you for putting the answer in the thumbnail! I like that approach quite a bit.

[@HEYBUDDYMAN86]

I love watching Marcel doom virtual people to purgatory. Peak entertainment right here.

[@PaulCashman]

"I've been waiting for Marcel's Monorail Guest Trap #1 for AGES!"

[@Sc4rlite]

Technically, this is the amount you can get in Year One. For the amount you can get in One Year like stated in the title, you would have the park up and running already with 3-4 awards and then start counting to see the difference e.g. during the second year. Go break that 5000 :D

[@MarcelVos]

That's true. I chose to do this version because it involves some more interesting aspects like the pausing strategy.

[@Driving4bangers]

Definitely my favorite video so far of yours

[@comandercom]

What if you tried starting year 2 to give you better setup with the awards? you could make sure you had 4 awards active at the start of the challenge that way.

[@nottud]

Good point that would work.

[@2000Meilen]

I like how the toilet-array looks like a warehouse at the end of the run

[@sanderbos4243]

Loved it, such an absurd park

[@FinlayDaG33k]

The worst part is when you realize, that first guy in the queue has *probably* been standing there for about 7 months... Never needing food, not missed by his family... What a dedication to that ride.

[@kimttar]

Love your vids. Thanks for taking this game to the extreme!

[@n3lis94]

"Welcome to our park where you can only queu for one ride that never leaves. We figure €280 is a reasonable entry price" Guest: "oh cool sounds like a deal to me!"

[@goldenhorde6944]

Would be interesting to see a glitchless category of this same record, where the train does eventually cycle the guests through so you have to build such a long and circuitous track as to keep guest loss as low as possible.

[@AustinOnSugar]

Optimization like this makes me want to see you try and pay back the loan on Alton Towers as quickly as possible

[@Uerdue]

I suppose building new coasters does not actually reset the RNG seed, but simply consumes numbers from it as it's used to determine which coasters break down?

[@Shit_I_Missed.]

No, he means reset, which means to set again, or differently. You're probably thinking of the operation to return something to its original setting, but when you reset your password, are you choosing the same password again?

[@archtansterpg4246]

The moment he started talking about RNG seeds, I knew this was gonna get good. Actually, scratch that, I knew this was gonna be good the moment he plopped down all those inaccessible rides and stalls.

[@Rhythmmical]

What if you started the year with year 2? Then you already have the max rewards active for the first 2-3 months.

[@WakoJacKooo]

Love the work you put into these. Haha amazing

[@Deathspark]

Imagine going to sleep next to an open field and waking up to an entire theme park next door

[@mwmayerle]

I've been playing this game for like 20ish years off and on and I didn't know "Most Dazzling Colors" existed

[@jasmijnariel]

6:09 oh dear, the dutch accent. Same with the word SCENE😂

[@randomperson01]

Great video! Have you done/ thought about doing vids in RCT3?

[@FelixFee]

Again a great video! Thank you for that - unfortunately I have to disagree with you (but it's a point of view I guess): For 20 Frames it's already 1st March Year 2 whilst reaching 4905 guest; So at the end of year 1 it's "exactly" 4904 guest ;D .. but the titel leaves room for interpretation as to whether "in year one" or "within a year" is meant. Love your videos! Keep up the great work!

[@MarcelVos]

You're right. I noticed it too in editing, but it was too late to change it so I just let it be as it's not really a big deal. Well-spotted though!

[@mmhmnms]

"And the occasional furry walking by" oh my god I WHEEZED

[@lyyretv1126]

Honey wake up a new Marcel Vos video just dropped.

[@AngrocSound]

I wanna see what's on those TVs. Must be some hella good shows.

[@valenlaura100]

QUE SUIXO LOCO QUE ESTAS TE AMO MARCEL E SERIO ESTO ES EL MEJOR CONTENIDO BASTAAAA TE AMOOOO

[@-FOXX]

This is proof Marcel knows more than any of us

[@Valkyrien04]

openRCT2 bugfix inbound: allows you to receive an award in a month where an award would expire

[@PistolShrimpPimp]

4:50 You do not need one of every staff type, unless it changed from RCT 1 to 2. I'm playing OpenRCT with RCT 1 Scenarios and I get that award occasionally and I never have a single guard. To confirm this, I went back to a recent save from a few days ago where I got 3 awards 4 times during the scenario and tried to get a forth, but Best Staff I got two times without ever having hired a single guard.

[@MarcelVos]

That's a longstanding bug in OpenRCT2 that will soon be fixed.

[@Polyrux]

Great video as usual. I wonder what the theoretical max amount of guests you can have in a park is? I did a similar set-up to you to test a theory I had on guest population and to my surprise I was able to get to around 50,000 guests (through cheats) before it just became a laggy unbearable mess.

[@AuddityHipHop]

marcel i got some noob questions.whats the difference between the different rides? i know coasters have difference stats, but for everything else, are some rides just objectively better than others? like, why place a merry go over a haunted house, and vice versa, for example. or is it just personal preference? the build screen doesnt show ride excitement either, so is build cost a good indication of how much excitement a ride will have? and is there any penalty for spamming duplicates of the same rides?

[@patrickhopkins9922]

Hi Marcel, another great video! Can you just use queuelines for all of your pathways without them leading to ride entrances? Will you still get the guest happiness bonus if it is just a queue line with tv monitors leading to nowhere?

[@Patashu]

This is basically the final exam after the guest generation/keeping guests from leaving videos were the syllabus

[@motanium]

I cant believe you didn't drown them all at the end in celebration.

[@pascalnijboer9325]

great video marcel as always!

[@onfik]

Just finished my sandwitch and soup and I just watched Marcel Vos get 4k guest in his park by trapping with tvs and people dressed up as animals With that none of the stalls will ever make a sale and the bathrooms no one will ever use Kinda makes you think what the staff people think about the guests lol

[@HECKproductions]

the requirement of having at least one of every staff type to get the best staff award seems to be wrong because i have gotten that award ofent and i never have security guards

[@MarcelVos]

You're right, it's been wrong for many years in OpenRCT2 and was also still wrong when I did this. It will be fixed shortly though as that was the requirement in vanilla.

[@battleshiparmorlord]

Now I want to see 5000 guests being drowned simultaneously

[@russellsheridan3957]

Whenever you provide the answer in the thumbnail, I'm always like "how do you know that?" and the answer is to click the video

[@FrankyChords]

Who cares about cheating or not? It's these "hell-parks" why I like the vids - and, of course, the "hello everyone" in the beginning ;)

[@pierQRzt180]

I like those "valid" challenges.... Though it should be "highest X" while keeping things dynamic. So maximum guests and maximum income. Trapping guests do not bring income so it should be even harder.

[@Djuuuuuu]

Quite realistic, society drones won’t think for themselves as long there’s a tv telling them what to think 👍

[@JVGaming123]

Me when I started playing this game: *fast forwarding whenever I have no money to get more money* Me now *Pausing every few seconds to make sure everything is going 100% optimal*

[@gloweye]

"best value park" It's quite an achievement to qualify for that with a Prison TV BrainRot Dystopia.

[@TS_Mind_Swept]

I like how after all of that the queue still wasn't full LUL

[@AlryFireBlade]

So that means, i am only hungry, because I can think about it? xD

[@dominicjannazo7144]

I think, therefore I am (hungry)

[@caulish]

Would you have slightly more with a shorter path to the park entrance?

[@patsen29]

Don't think we didn't notice how you called your design "corkse"

[@jacobplemmons]

I love your anti-clickbait thumbnails

[@607]

Amazing!

[@janjanjul]

That RNG manipulation was next level.