how mappa fixed attack on titan's weird ending

[@Yama-qg3il]

It's always made me so mad when people take Eren's powers of seeing the future and the determinism that comes with is as "oh, so he didnt choose this at all, he just did it cause he saw it", that reasoning is extremely stupid, he can see the rumbling in his future visions because that's precisely what he chose, he acts horrified at reacting to what he chooses because IT IS, but he chooses it anyway because the alternative would break his heart even more, Eren's feeling all the time weren't a lie, he was angry at Marley, he was angry at all the people outside taking way his dream of an empty and calm world to explore outside the walls forever, he was angry at everything, and he just took the path he personally saw as less bad, selfishly so, and went with it, after the 3 previous seasons of suffering that we saw all the MCs endure up until then, it makes us understand why, even if it's terrible.

[@coggsie]

my thoughts exactly - he hates what he did but the alternative is either 1) Zeke's plan or 2) the rest of the world just exterminates them. obviously Eren's not going to just lay down and die. it's like, a guy that's drunk on the idea of freedom (and doing whatever it takes to get that freedom) is given a "kill everyone that opposes you" button - no shit he's gonna press it, even if it's messed up and innocent people die in the process.

[@bLaZify77]

he literally himself said that he didnt know why he did what he did...and that is fucking bullshit storytelling...

[@loganshalloe5927]

​@@coggsie I can tell you understand Eren well, but what you say here about "only 2 solutions" isn't right. You say it at 4:01 too. In Eren's mind there are only 2 options, because he claims to be unwilling to sacrifice Historia for the 50 year plan (a much better plan than the rumbling or euthanasia - and the scouts + Historia agreed to go with it if no other option was found). But with Eren's final motivation being found out, we know him refusing the 50 year plan was (maybe subconsciously) an excuse to flatten the world as he wanted to. He is willing to kill/get killed those he cares for (Sasha, Hange, even his mom) to see that scenery at the end.

[@coggsie]

@@loganshalloe5927 ah, good point! i do believe that his decision to activate the rumbling was ultimately because he wanted to, not because he felt forced to. that's a great clarification, i somewhat forgot about the 50 year plan, ngl. thanks for bringing it up!

[@mt2r-music]

This thumbnail perfectly represents the changes. 10/10.

[@coggsie]

the biggest change is that in the anime eren sits down

[@mt2r-music]

@@coggsie im rather talking about Armin not standing with Eren. In the manga he’s right beside him, symbolizing how he is going through all of that together with Eren. Motivation him after justifying his actions, while in the anime, Armin is looking down at Eren. He’s not supporting his friend. He calls Eren pathetic and is shocked about his actions. In the manga Armin is looking at Eren mainly as a friend, while in the anime he’s looking at Eren as mass murderer. In both versions both views are the big conflict of this situation but each version has a different aspect that overweights.

[@coggsie]

woah, fantastic analysis! i won't lie, i thought you were being sarcastic from your original comment, so my response was joking haha. but that's a great point!

[@mt2r-music]

@@coggsie haha, nice. Actually funny coincidence.

[@jura9484]

@@mt2r-music interesting, another way i could read it is that eren crumples during the anime scene and is open with how heavily everything's weighing on him while armin is staying strong for him.

[@Gell-lo]

Bro you got skills. Great audio quality, vocal skills, easy pacing and insightful yet humorous notes. Quite interesting.

[@dsvdaniel9031]

I think Eren as a representation of what a person can be/do when experience suffering and powerlessness the whole life, and finally get his hand in some kind of power. Without a good education and right mental support, is not so absurd that this person choose to use this power in form of violence, because is the most present thing in his life. That was confirmed to me in Eren line "Because I'm a idiot (...)" in the last coversation with Armin.

[@Hellstaraditya6356]

"Maybe the real peace was the end all along"

[@yavuzhannnn]

Thanks for a nice load of thoughts to listen and enjoy to, stay safe out there buddy.

[@TheeConfrazzle]

bro you got REALLY deep at the end there like DAMN I didn't even see that coming. literally went from a funny clown to deep philosophical prophet GREAT VID

[@ScienceGuy232]

Thank you for explaining in detail for us. Even though I don't think the manga ending is good, it makes me appreciate more what the author really tried to convey but failed to express in words.

[@augie6735]

dont forget mikasa is supposed to be unaffected by the founding titan's power but eren uses it to bring her to the paths, alter her memories, etc.

[@WingsOfRequiem]

shes not full ackermann though so it makes sense her memories can be altered.

[@augie6735]

@@WingsOfRequiem levi was also immune to the titan gas before fleeing on falco to kill eren

[@BarioIDL]

@@WingsOfRequiemah yes, solving plot holes with incest, i wonder why people don't do that

[@WingsOfRequiem]

@@BarioIDL huh? Incest

[@BarioIDL]

@@WingsOfRequiem "full ackerman"

[@MegaJackolope]

Okay, damn. Found this video way after it was released and AoT ended but you recontextualized the entire ending for me and made it make perfect sense. Incredible.

[@todd3143]

dunkey tier analysis

[@coggsie]

highest possible compliment

[@MoMbarek250]

binging your vids, loving them, subscribing.

[@coggsie]

glad you like em! :)

[@TruetoCaesar]

I think Eren had lost his sanity at that point after losing everything

[@phillipwafula1592]

Damn,mahn you explain it so well,would love to see more of your videos

[@ferrarideija1810]

Seriously underrated video and channel 10/10

[@sofi-2.718]

2:13 YUME NIKKI SONG DETECTED

[@Jvstna]

I hope this channel gets more recognition. Your truly entertaining and so is your content. Keep up the hard work and happy new year!

[@coggsie]

thanks so much! happy new year to you too :)

[@LightLight-c1e]

He destroyed 80% of humanity. There's literally no excuse for that. Armin shouldn't even have talked to him like that

[@marcissopegins1585]

sure, but armin is brimmed with guilt, in his mind, he's in no position to look down on eren

[@marcissopegins1585]

sure, maybe, but considering the fact that armin is brimming with guilt, in his mind he is in no position to look down on eren, plus he's a harbinger of peace, he would prioritise that over making enemies with his best friend who he relied on to be free.

[@lillones]

Why should he feel bad about it? Marley was warned what attacking paradis would result in, and what did they do? Well, they brutally attacked it. And when that failed and they were warned again, how did they respond? Well they attacked yet again. I really dont understand the sympathy from any eldians. As long as eldians lived, the world wanted their race enslaved, brutally tortured, and dead. Armin and Mikasa literally doomed not just their own race, but humanity as a whole as they enabled humanities ultimate path to destruction at its own hands. It was a story of kill or be killed... the "heroes" of the story chose both, and the show seemed to celebrate that decision.

[@Kio-x9z]

The people outside the walls mostly sucked so I didn't cared that about 80% of them was destroyed. I think Eren gave a chance for peace but people threw that chance to the toilet. Maybe Eren's decition to pull a Lelouch ending was a big mistake and should have destroyed 100% of humanity outside the walls.

[@SchwabGames2014]

Finally, someone who understands what Eren did. Everyone says “He did it to save his Eldia” or “He did it to save his friends,” No, he didn’t. Eren did the Rumbling because he was stuck in predestined future all because Armin showed him the book about the outside world. It was because of Armin showing him the book that fueled Eren to wish for an unoccupied outside world without humanity or titans, and that’s why he did the Rumbling. To fulfill his selfish wish for freedom from the childish fantasy his best friend showed him.

[@loganshalloe5927]

There's literally these lines in the show but people still misunderstand: Armin: "And you're saying you did all this for us?" Eren: "No, I didn't"

[@SchwabGames2014]

@@hayr-gb9cf Yes.

[@lotusluv]

I do think both can be true

[@ilsagita5257]

​@@loganshalloe5927I love how eren said that their moments of freedom he actually felt was when he spent that night outside the walls drinking with his Mikasa and others .

[@ilsagita5257]

​@@lotusluvI do think too Because eren also always said when Armin said that the world misunderstand us and eren replied no They fear us they see is as monsters and devils. That's not misunderstanding Eren could only see parts of future not the whole thing That's why he asked what sasha said before dying to confirm what he saw in his head was right or wrong . His selfish desire Of watching the sea vanished the day he went to marley and saw the atrocities or got his father's memory back really vanished It was just live in fear or kill Just like the outer world thought of devils of paradise island . He also said to Armin doesn't matter whatever he did to change the future it always ended up with the exact thing he saw in his future So like you know the cake is poisoned and your brother wants to kill you so when he gives you the cake somehow you dodge it and think you are saved but at the end you still died because of your brother poisioning your cake . Like yk it you try avoiding but situations always lead up to the same ending you saw in your head ... it's crazy ..to think how to operate in that situation .

[@ilsagita5257]

He also said to Armin doesn't matter whatever he did to change the future it always ended up with the exact thing he saw in his future So like you know the cake is poisoned and your brother wants to kill you so when he gives you the cake somehow you dodge it and think you are saved but at the end you still died because of your brother poisioning your cake . Like yk it you try avoiding but situations always lead up to the same ending you saw in your head ... it's crazy ..to think how to operate in that situation . But i completely agree to your last point ...kenny's words the first time i watched never left my mind and it still doesn't because it's fuckin true All judgement of life really has no meaning We all are trying to be unconscious with whatever we can ..just like drug users .

[@a1ds568]

holy shit your channel is awesome subbed asf

[@gryffindorgryffindor5557]

Bro I Hope im your first German subscriber. You’re Videos are really good. You will have a great future on KZbin.

[@loopeyfluff]

LMAOOO LMAOO UR EDITING IS SRSLY SO FUNNY AHAHAHAH. ur openings r such bangers and ur info is so concise. and u switch tones so easily without it feeling abrupt or jarring!!! how is it that ur pointing out a rock that looks like a poop in one panel and then a couple mins later ur monologuing about how armins monologue was fixed with solemn music in the bg. this is rlly stupid but i liked the use of the ratatouille clip when u complained about how fast u read everything HAHAHA. brilliant editing my dude

[@Pttryuto]

Finally someone who understands the meaning of the ending

[@mitchwestrile]

I thought this was work done by a KZbinr with 185k subs or something this was seriously a very enjoyable video

[@josiahperea5062]

This video was so good!!!

[@otato6561]

great video, lil bro keep on going! i liked the hxh one as well :))

[@spaceniceguy]

i loved the ending. But that one scene with the titans swimming looked pretty goofy so ill give it a 1/6 overall. cool vid btw, subbed

[@GeeseThompson-j4r]

Great video! Though I'm still not too sure about the part where Eren did everything out of his own free will. I sort of took it as him destroying 80% of humanity being preordained anyway. Perhaps he would have been open and to not doing that being unwilling to kill innocents like Ramzi but ultimately he also wouldn't mind doing so because it's in his nature to "take the freedom of others before they take mine"

[@coggsie]

it's definitely one of the most up-for-interpretation parts of the story. i think at the very least, he would have done it even if it wasn't preordained - it's like when he tells armin (in the anime) how he just wanted to see the world as a clean slate. but there was absolutely an element of destiny and inevitability involved with the Attack Titan's powers. idk, it's one of those cool mysteries Isayama left intentionally ambiguous :) thanks for the comment!

[@dsvdaniel9031]

@@coggsie I think Eren as a representation of what a person can be/do when experience suffering and powerlessness the whole life, and finally get his hand in some kind of power. Without a good education and right mental support, is not so absurd that this person choose to use this power in form of violence, because is the most present thing in his life. That was confirmed to me in Eren line "Because I'm a idiot (...)" in the last coversation with Armin.

[@loganshalloe5927]

The thing about 80% being preordained stems from a misunderstanding of this line: "So many times I tested it, all to no avail. Things always happened exactly as I saw in my future memories. Armin, it's as you said. I'm a slave to freedom" This makes people imagine a doctor-strange-type-of-situation, which is not accurate at all. Eren is saying that every time he lived through moments he had previously seen future memories of, he always succumbs to his desire for freedom and thus acts according to the path he knows will bring him to the view at the end, "that scenery". That's why he says he's a slave to freedom, and not a slave to some sort of preordained fate with no cause behind it. He is a slave to freedom, which caused him to destine a fate for himself. But he is not a slave to that fate. He wants it.

[@gavinattalahadiyan325]

So in a nutshell, Eren Yaeger is Paul Atreides?

[@Kio-x9z]

Yes

[@guilhermeteodosio40]

Personally, if I was in Eren's position I would've chosen Armin's plan of partial rumbling (destroying all military bases in the world) and getting rid of the titan curse ensuring my friends' a happy titan-free life and generations of peace for my people

[@itsofficiallypluto3670]

It was kill or be killed 😂🤷🏻‍♂️

[@atakji_art]

I re-read AOT when I was sick a while ago - I've read like half of it when it came out and now the other half for the first time and man - I was sooo disappointed in the ending... maybe I should watch the ending for the manga to finally find piece with this shitty ending

[@Tupadre97]

they reworded it better simple

[@RedFrost6]

Lol i never read the manga, but i got spoilt by google T_T

[@fxeditors]

Wait season 2 ending in bg

[@felipeaguena5289]

Wait so the manga ends differently? Jesus Christ, Armin thanking Eren for being Hitler is hilarious

[@pirateluffy01]

I need more explanation

[@mechajay3358]

Personally, I'm still not a fan of the ending, not one bit, but I can understand why the anime had to fix the scene from thr manga.

[@indoAMV]

It still weird

[@RoniloJrLawas]

"I swear bro the fandom, has more lore than the actual anime itself💀" With this video I glad I miss it, however the amount of usage of copium was a spectacle

[@furorteutonicus9045]

lol its not fixed, its just a little less bad.

[@Gravecoyote]

I'd say they more improved it than fixed it, the ending is still kinda meh. The thing that bothers me most is Eren turning into the collosal titan after he lost the founding titan and zeke got decapitated tbh

[@fxeditors]

Lol

[@crismota4389]

the ending still sucks and eren is the most delusion character in all fiction

[@loganshalloe5927]

That makes him a greatly written character imo

[@K_MeXD]

the worst ending in manga could be the hxh ending

[@navi7402]

Normie ahh video

[@ReinaldoKyesse]

Both anime and manga endings are garbage.

[@syedkaneki91]

Fixed ending? It was still bullshit

[@luc7478]

debate is useless with a OP fan, and as matter of a fact, you should be worried about the ending of OP judging by how Wano arc ended.

[@syedkaneki91]

@@luc7478 i know wano arc has its problems. I can agree with that . but u still cant compare it with bullshit ending like aot. I love aot but ending was bullshit

[@esawakita3043]

no bs ending here just u who don't understand it or apreciated @@syedkaneki91

[@dantdmfangamingrich9802]

@@syedkaneki91I will always love Aot and I am “Meh” about the ending. I don’t like it that much but I don’t hate it. Eren should of just said he wanted to protect everyone and had no choice. He should of trampled 20% of humanity, goes back home to fix things, and live long lives. Also Mikasa or Armin should of died before Eren. Thousands of years go by and the world is only eldians and civil wars break out because that’s human nature and the power of the titans never come back. (I’ll edit my comment to find mistakes)

[@loganshalloe5927]

​@@dantdmfangamingrich9802 how did the titan powers disappear in this version?

[@guthak10movie8]

aot started good but it fell so bad mid season 2 and ending is so bad, a lot of empty tropes, a lot of plot holes, i dont like it

[@pedr0_m198]

nah, is still bad