How Marvel Actually Makes Movies Years Before Filming | Movies Insider

[@333dae]

So they're like 3d rendered storyboards?

[@eddienyagah]

My thoughts exactly.

[@fenrir-art4742]

Yes!

[@arav13]

Yeah but instead of guessing the lenses And equipment needed, it can provide accurate details about how far to fit the camera and how the camera moves for each layers which are shot separately in green screen. I don't think movies like endgame will be possible with just story boards

[@jonasc.7059]

Yep pretty much

[@josephbenobasa]

Incredible analogy

[@yousefyaghoobi282]

The vfx artist deserve the attention

[@harsleykentlawas8908]

i guess , but some artist dony like the celebrity attention . they deserve a lot of pay tho .

[@Choppa773]

The 2016 thanos on the thumbnail is off THAT'S NOT THE DESIGN IN GUARDIANS OF THE GALAXY

[@Choppa773]

And guardians of the galaxy came out in 2014 not 2016

[@Choppa773]

And avengers age of ultron came out on 2015

[@sonicandroxas]

@9ine9ine1ne stoopid you shut’d him up lmaooo lmao

[@muhammadoling7988]

hell, in my country they use previs as actual movies 😂😂

[@cyberbot2709]

Ur country making movies?

[@fenrir-art4742]

better that than the cheap final results like in avengers endgame.

[@swifttodeath]

@@fenrir-art4742 that take was garbage😂😂

[@calliope8458]

@@cyberbot2709 why so surprised?

[@rudra20048]

Bollywood

[@dimitreze]

without pre viz you get Cats not only they didn't have pre viz, the actors weren't even wearing track suits the team that made the special effects were lost in post production

[@profy5305]

Good to know lol

[@Sophia-cy5pm]

Yeah it was like the director for cats didn’t know how to film with cgi in mind. The cgi team were given a horrible hand with a short deadline. But even with good cgi it would of saved the movie either.

[@DJVARAO]

Well, previs can't make miracles either. Vice (with previs) has one of the worst scripts ever made. What a waste of time.

[@Wade_Fucking_Wilson]

Wym lost??

[@dimitreze]

@@DJVARAO it's just a tool like any other can be used in a good way or bad way

[@ForeverSweetx3]

I hope that means Stan Lee was able to see Endgame in the form of previs.

[@813hyro]

that's a good observation that brings me peace

[@MorbiusBlueBalls]

thanks

[@malusisoko7030]

I believe he actually saw the movie

[@atharva3017]

Unfortunately no, because he only liked to see the movie during the premiere

[@donkeykong4983]

R.I.P ✝️.

[@rohithreddysama3123]

5:28 "where Strange ,Spiderman and Starlord join the final battle" Drax: Invisibility achieved

[@Smbdy_not_significant]

😂😂😂

[@silverone8498]

Mantis: *none existent*

[@AnonAnonymousymous]

Best comment😂

[@deadlypyre]

Drax is pretty useless anyway

[@Hey.its.israel]

Lol underrated comment

[@abhijiths426]

Next : How DC Actually Makes Movies Years Before Proper Planning

[@kptmaci4979]

*Decades is more appropriate xD

[@k-studio8112]

*Proper lighting

[@anuroopkm3181]

*Proper shaving

[@joshbrosh6626]

@@greasycheese9050 its more like wb was the talentless fools

[@NP-zv4bf]

@@greasycheese9050 exactly, It would have been so amazing for dc fans to see some of our favourite comics come to life in live action, but the the teamwork between them and Warner bros is terrible, and really everyone working there is to blame, I think dc could eventually catch up but definitely not in the next 5 years

[@arijitdebnath25]

So someone in a studio is developing a previs shot of Galactus vs Avengers now😁...wow

[@musicbyalexYT]

Doubt it. lol

[@calebtheowl1516]

More like Thor Love and Thunder and Blade

[@bryandaddy]

@@calebtheowl1516 yeah

[@The_Capo671]

@@calebtheowl1516 ooo yeh

[@mrnoone3213]

@@calebtheowl1516 nahh thor love and thunder are literally filming rn

[@Krazzy88]

The vfx artist knew Endgame spoilers 3 years before the movie and didn't spoil a thing. Massive respect.

[@Hezefem]

They are not 6πm3 like that kid named tom

[@ParzivalTheThird]

You seriously have to commend them for somehow not letting ANY of this leak in FOUR YEARS.

[@Mystic.ape.]

They probably make every single staff member sign an NDA

[@mohammadwajdi8315]

These guys are the real heroes

[@quakethedoombringer]

Homelander approves

[@Player-kg1ds]

"YOU GUYS...."

[@stare4539]

LoL

[@mangosharky4377]

Imagine any of these had gotten leaked

[@tyrannapusandfriends6254]

The fact these were practically unleaked for years is impressive

[@funnerz]

I bet the entire phase 4 previs animations are chilling in the marvel vaults right now.

[@allenpault3858]

@@funnerz 😂😂

[@IvaN-cf7qt]

@@funnerz they would literally kill you if they catch you stealing them. It cost them billions and years of planing. And the mouse never forgives

[@donalain69]

Guess they work offline...

[@Yeet_master69]

It's basically a storyboard but much more detailed.

[@jaunie8217]

yup. roughly animated to get the timing right.

[@jaunie8217]

Aren't they called playbasts?

[@ft.jackjimmy7282]

they even tell you how to aim the camera right. They do all the calculations and math before filming so they can do it fast, actors are busy and expensive, you can't keep asking them to reshoot just because you aimed the camera wrong. Also, the post-production takes a long effing time, to piece together something out of basically nothing, having this helps the post-production team know immediately what to put together.

[@ch1qui]

Its a movie directed by the producers and a marketing team.

[@melsyoutube]

this is incredible! i'm so glad marvel does this. their visual effects are always top notch, whether it's a fight in space or in a glass building on earth. everything is so beautifully detailed and rendered perfectly that it's hard to distinguish what’s real and what’s cgi. great job!

[@NolanMillerArt]

It's nice to finally see a video on all the work us Viz artists put into tv/film etc.

[@Zralock79]

OK, let me get this straight. So you are talking that there are already Previews ready for all Marvel movies that have release dates in the next 2 years? I am really surprised that none of them ever leaked because there should be quite a bunch of people involved. :D

[@DarkshadeMusic]

They all signed NDAs I think.

[@gamblinoob]

if 1 ever got leaked im pretty sure allot of people would be in trouble

[@Zralock79]

@@DarkshadeMusic Yeah, but something always leaked and you can not be sure who was the suspect... and I am surprised that nothing ever did.

[@ccelite3782]

Oh they probably were leaked, we all just thought it was some SFM Animation and was fake though.

[@pablorios9468]

Well, probably they make sure only certain people work on it. And NDAs, like a lot of them. Allan Mckay (vfx legend) worked on the poster for Avengers Endgame and said that he had to sign 3 ndas before they could tell him any details 😂

[@Arashocky]

Marvel studios should've put this in the ending credits: 'Directed by 3rd Floor & Russo brothers'

[@LeonXfilm]

Directed by Third Floor. Special thanks to Russo brothers. Lol

[@daveWillkent]

Well considering the third floor gets directed by the Russo brothers I’d says Russo Brothers are still the directors

[@Arashocky]

@@daveWillkent if you watched the video, 3rd floor studio have already directed their scenes before Russo brothers were even hired! When the brothers join the project, they just follow whatever 3rd floor made for them in pre-vis!

[@parry111]

@@Arashocky And you can also see that third floor makes multiple storyboards, so no, they haven't "directed" the movie yet. Not all the shots done in previs are shot frame to frame in the final movie, only the most important ones. Kevin obviously works on these important scenes with third floor, there's no one more capable than him after all. But most of the movie is still left for the directors to do their thing. That's why they make multiple storyboards, to give the director a core idea, and the directors take it up from there. And Kevin feige having control over the most important scenes is great imo, he's the marvel mega nerd after all. Also, a lot of times directors approach marvel with concepts( like James Gunn, Chloe zhao) after which they're hired. So yes, most of the times directors are also probably involved in the pre vis process

[@Arashocky]

@@parry111 I agree with you on the process that Marvel Studios uses for their movies and there are exceptions that make them look like it was directed by one person like James Gunn who's a big comic book guy like Feige and also does his own storyboards and writes his own script which makes him a perfect choice for superhero movies. But not every marvel movie has a unique vision like Gunn's. So they take the safe process which I'm not against but it's pretty clear some of the directors don't interfere with the creative decisions on action scenes already made by 3rd floor because they don't have Gunn's experience which makes the Black Widow a great example of that. Gotta admit Wandavision almost changed my mind about that impression for its creativity and cool concept until the last episode brought it back to the same old Marvel action scenes again!

[@jasonong2552]

Imagine being the test audience where you have to watch a low-rendered version of the movie filled with spoilers even before watching the final high quality one

[@shankarshanaratnasabapathy2058]

must suck

[@victortiradodj]

What would you say if they ask you to previs Spiderman 3 right now?

[@MysticalStd]

I heard they had to sign a contract and give Disney there first born child A price for everything

[@joshbrosh6626]

@@MysticalStd bruh u mist be dumb to believe that shit

[@Itsssameee]

@@joshbrosh6626 bruh it's very obviously a joke

[@NoorM115]

So weird to think that while everyone was excited about CA: Civil War, Endgame was already done with the previs stage.

[@makatron]

Imagine the logistics of knowing the exact cameras, lenses, and cranes needed to film a year in advance. It's like a 3D storyboard.

[@yungjose3369]

This type of stuff is so impressive. Just makes you appreciate "animated" movies much more.

[@westnilesnipes]

This is pretty impressive. Props to the teams working on the previs for these movies. I can see how some people might not like the overuse of these previs things, but it works for Marvel. The MCU is hugely successful after all.

[@ft.jackjimmy7282]

in reality, there are still demands for independently produced films where traditional methods are utilized. I'm not downgrading traditional movie-making but when you're in the business of cranking out tight scheduled high production action movies, you'd need innovative tools to make sure it's fast and saves money with high quality looks to it. The pessimism is from the idea that things done this way shouldn't have the success it has. And I agree, I haven't seen a Marvel movie winning an oscar yet unless it's politics-related. It's best to know what you're into and what you're not and understand how the movie industry actually works, it's not as simple as most people think it is, where you have one director writing the plot, calculate all camera and lighting angles, and direct talents as well that would take 10 years to film one movie instead of only 2-3.

[@carso1500]

@@ft.jackjimmy7282 in general sci fi or comic book movies don't win Oscar's, only two have done it (both Batman or Batman related movies btw), the academy is extremly biased towards a certain kind of movies to the point that there are "Oscar baiting movies" because they are extremly easy to predict In general if you do it about WW2 with some sad storyline about one of the groups you have a good chance of making to the Oscar's

[@viveks9954]

Wats even more mindblowing is the fact that they managed to keep the story of endgame a secret for 3 effing years.

[@alexm566]

..what story? all avengers are just a bunch of useless cgi and nothing else.

[@emiratesaviation33]

@@alexm566 they aren't useless. They have entertained us for over 10 years and will continue to do so for many more years to come and I respect them for that.

[@alexm566]

@@emiratesaviation33 they're useless for ones like me who can't stand a movie void of storyline and human emotions.

[@emiratesaviation33]

@@alexm566 well everyone has their opinions. I respect your opinion but please don't disrespect the opinion of others. That's all I wanted to say. Many people like them and love to watch the movies. Thanks😊. Btw, I am not being rude. I just want a nice and healthy conversation. That's all. Thanks again😊

[@alexm566]

@@emiratesaviation33 Agreed, thanks for the civilized conversation :)

[@bokocop5725]

I like how it's like movies have different phases, you get phase 1 which is basic 2d animations that everyone can make with some practice, phase 2 which is the pre vis that pretty good indie animators can create, and phase 3 which is full movies from big studios, and each phase uses the previous one as a layout/preparation

[@saintgeorge572]

the bit about how marvel pulls indie directors to film their films makes me so intrigued for chloe zhao’s (who’s previous filmography is entirely made up of independent small budget films) eternals and nia dacoste’s captain marvel sequel. i really wonder how both directors are gonna change superhero story narratives

[@ft.jackjimmy7282]

I like the diversely skilled directors used for action movies, I'd certainly not watch a Marvel movie made by Micheal Bay.

[@rubiksstudios4584]

They only use independent artist because exec producers can manipulate them to do whatever they want

[@romxxii]

I don't think they're going to do anything groundbreaking from a narrative perspective, but the visual language will probably be distinctly their style. Like how Ragnarok is definitely a Taika Waititi film, or the Guardians films are James Gunn's babies.

[@romxxii]

@@rubiksstudios4584 LOL that's not how it works. The directors they hire usually have to pitch their concept to Marvel; that's how James Gunn got the job. Ant Man replacement director Peyton Reed also stated how he had to sift through Edgar Wright's script and then pitch his version of it. It's about which director can provide the exact style they want for a specific film.

[@rubiksstudios4584]

@@romxxii Yeah but, James Gunn and Edgar Wright are not Indie directors, they already have well established careers in the industry.

[@milomodo]

Starlord: How many previs shots did you see? Strange: 7300

[@justthinking650]

How many did get rendered?

[@PrathamInCloud]

@@justthinking650 7000

[@IvanJeromela1]

Underrated

[@TheJonix46]

Underrated comment!

[@shuaibsalim6616]

Previs Shots of F4 and X-Men In Development now..

[@billijoebobbyjr]

Damn can’t wait to see it in theaters in three years 😪

[@Jb-ik3pq]

Doubt it, F4 will be in 3-4 years and X-Men will be in 5-7 years.

[@arialoren4877]

@@Jb-ik3pq i hope not ... in 7 years I’ll be 33

[@flarestriker2005]

@@arialoren4877 I'll be 23 by then

[@CesarDainezi]

@@arialoren4877 Damn, truth hurts

[@MovieJunkieOfficial]

I was in the middle of typing exactly what she says at the end. Yeah, some directors might not like having shots planned. But it’s what’s made the entire universe work. Unlike DC that just said ‘WHAT DO WE HAVE, MAKE A MOVIE ABOUT THAT QUICK’.

[@cruzefx3652]

It's different approaches, marvel has more control over the movies and the directors are just puppets supervising the process. DC gives it's directors freedom to have their artistic choices and shooting style, after that they cut and control. Both has it's pros and cons.

[@Yebi263]

Excellent. Every word of what you just said is wrong.

[@jLenger1]

@@cruzefx3652 DC’s problem is they lie to the directors. They say they have freedom and then afterwards they manipulate everything the director did and edit it into shit. Man of Steel is the only guaranteed true film that belongs to the director. They need to give Zack Snyder creative control like Kevin Fiege. People can disagree but at least then we would have a cohesive universe love it or hate it.

[@cruzefx3652]

@@jLenger1 That is what I said, DC gives freedom on the making of the movie, but after the movie is shot, they take over and try to please the suits that couldn't care less about superheroes

[@oranmcclintock302]

@@cruzefx3652 DC gives its directors so much freedom that we have fans demanding we get seperate actual cuts months after the movies come up

[@SilentGAMER-c9r]

So basically you need a damn PhD in Mega Editing in the Movie Business

[@SAMoralesTP]

well its hundreds of people working on a single film, even if a department is only a few people they have teams behind them helping assemble the previs

[@kingchaos6050]

All this prep is the reason Marvel is CRUSHING DC!

[@dans4129]

so this is why Marvels CGI is always so amazing , special effects artist deserve so much more credit

[@bounty8438]

Yes! Digital artists get screwed over so often and I’m sick of it!

[@dyfx9788]

a common misconception is that CGI is created with BIG computers and no artist are involved and that it is all the machines but it is so wrong. It is sad to see this as a CG artist.

[@bounty8438]

@@dyfx9788 I feel so sorry for you guys. Y’all get shafted so often and it ain’t fair.

[@user-xh6ju3pg8c]

@@dyfx9788 same here..." The never properly credicted animators and CGI artists That's why people hate those actors who acts like scacubass infecting society

[@HTJFilms]

Vai

[@BenStockdale]

I'm starting to see why Edgar Wright dropped out of Ant Man. These scenes are on the verge of being ghost directed by the previs and CGI departments. That would suit a collaborative director but not an auteur one that's used to constructing every shot themselves.

[@oranmcclintock302]

@Gary Webb Scott Derrickson left and Sam Raimi came in to replace him, not all bad I suppose

[@georgezee5173]

Wright left because he didn't want to add Falcon's sequence and other Avengers connections. That's about it. Actually, and contrary to what you say, someone like Wright enjoys the chance to previsualise EVERYTHING since he loves to make visually elaborated shots and this technology enables the director to explore all sorts of camera angles and moves, adding more control in planning the whole thing in advance. In fact, by the time Wright left he had been working on the movie previs for months, since filming was about to start in a few weeks. He even had shot a small test scene YEARS before the movie started production (maybe you can still find the leaked sequence on KZbin, which was shot by Wright himself back in 2012).

[@BenStockdale]

@@georgezee5173 I guess tbf it may have been more plot/story driven with Edgar. But I guess what I was getting at is that by signing on as a director for Marvel, you do seem to lose a certain amount of control just because of all the machinery Marvel now has to assist a filmmaker in creating the film. I do find it interesting that the Russo Brothers who have seemingly worked very well with Marvel, come from a very collaborative television background rather than an auteur film background. I think they're used to playing in someone else's established world and are happy to sacrifice a certain amount of control to enable that to go smoothly. However Taika Watiti and James Gunn show that it is possible to have a personal touch within Marvel, but I imagine they still had to make compromises.

[@georgezee5173]

@@BenStockdale It's obvious all these movies are supervised, since they work like a TV show on steroids, with Kevin Feige being the showrunner. But we were discussing here the use of previs/animatics, and it's simply not true those are made before the director is in the project nor without his control. Precisely Marvel hires their directors years in advance, even before they have a final scriptm, and they're hired because of their takes on the stories (I can guess Feige has an overall idea beforehand for each movie to make the MCU go forward, he let's candidates know that starting point and they elaborate on it and even change it within certain limits to impress him).

[@BenStockdale]

@@georgezee5173 yeah you're probably right when it comes to previs. I might have taken too much significance from the director who dropped out.

[@danbaseball]

The Thanos they used for pre visuals was kinda scary

[@aguzman222]

Dumb move, all Marvels directors have said they can freely collaborate and provide feedback - the final word is obviously Feigi but I don’t think it’s different from any studio unless your name is Nolan.

[@justthinking650]

@@aguzman222 why are you people always comparing endgame to nolan's trilogy, like i get it they're great movies but there's no reason they should be compared

[@_Just_Another_Guy]

That Thanos render looked like mid-2000's PS2 "realistic" graphics.

[@AllenHanPR]

Knowing this I can imagine for a director it doesn't feel it's creating anything. The glory isn't there. It's like someone made the recipe for a cake and just laid out the ingredients for you and asked you to dump the ingredients in the bowl. I can see why most established directors might turn it down.

[@DearlyDeparted]

This was so cool to watch! Being a musician, it was cool seeing that VFX artists have their own way of "Demoing" their ideas just like music!

[@apollousa8512]

Mind blown didn't know this. So it's kinda all fixed for directors.

[@LungeloShandu]

Always has been since the beginning of filmmaking. Directors always worked with material given to them.

[@jothishprabu8]

@@LungeloShandu Only the Screenplay is given to them pal.

[@LungeloShandu]

@@jothishprabu8 I think we're saying the same thing, you just used the technical term. 🤷🏽‍♂️

[@kingmatolo8381]

The directors are hired years before the movie is released. They will oversee the script and previs. Previs is basically prototyping

[@GuyWithAnAmazingHat]

Directors are needed to pull the right performance from the actors, you can plan everything out but still need someone to direct the actors to do a good job.

[@MotorCityPhoenix313]

This explains why they're able to use directors who have little experience with action movies.

[@SKYROAMER]

Yeah, they're basically hired just to oversee the talking scenes.

[@PHlophe]

@@SKYROAMER those directors are basically figure heads

[@nickyyy3983]

@@PHlophe not the nicest way to put it....but yeah. Thats what they are apparently. I can understand why the female director turned down Black Widow.

[@edinibranovic9667]

Because they don't actually use them lmao

[@wolverineiscool7161]

@@edinibranovic9667 sadly its true but marvel movies also work for a reason so idk

[@jonyyfhibell2795]

these kind of vfx/cgi video essays are so entertaining to watch.

[@victoriap1561]

I suppose this explains why most marvel movies feel like they are playing it safe

[@okyes2753]

Right? The fact there's not a dedicated writing team while creating the movies explains so much. Mad respect to the previs team for what they're able to make, but it really does explain why so many plotholes and weird threads pop up. Rather than having a writing team dedicated to making a cohesive meaningful story, they have a previs team dedicated to creating cool and badass shots, with scenes interjected every now and then for whatever they find meaningful at the time. You can't create consistently groundbreaking stories without the kind of experienced writing that a dedicated team would provide. It's just weird.

[@17.ketansurana8]

The fact that crushed my soul is that they map out every scene of the movie even before a director and cinematographer is signed for the project....

[@ft.jackjimmy7282]

@@17.ketansurana8 I don't think they map out everything, just the really complicated action scenes or impactful scenes. You have to realize not all directors are well-versed in the plots as the studio does, they still have to obey the studio's rules. I do get that in order to make a large production, you have to cut some corners like having a previs team to take the guesswork out of everything. That's why it only takes 2-3 years to film a Marvel movie and not 10+ plus years like Avatar. It's a sacrifice they took in order to crunch out these movies in a tight timeline so they won't lose audience interest. The directors are there to provide the overall tone and an interpreter of previs for actors and crew to understand. The directors can also have their vision be prototyped and tested with the previs team before filming instead of realizing that everything doesn't look right after filming. However, I do agree that Marvel movies are not made for everybody, not everyone finds superheroes as meaningful, my mom thinks they're lame, but it is still owned by Disney, who have very high standards for these things. And it's only logical that 20 plus movies made from the same studio are bound to have repeated factors or you risk people questioning if the connection is even there at all. To be honest, I do think there are some weak movies like third Iron Man, 3rd Thor, and Captain Marvel, but I don't think there are significant plotholes that jeopardize the overall story.

[@MythopoeicNavid]

​@@ft.jackjimmy7282 What's actually a production achievement or breakthrough for Marvel Studios is how much they are still operating with the same ethos as Marvel Comics -- not only editorial and writing and in-house productions, but what this previs arrangement reminds me of is how in the comics they'd always have inkers and even pencilers who would "Redraw" images to better fit the company model (controversial of course, esp. when DC used it on Jack Kirby's renditions of Superman and Jimmy Olsen when he was crafting The Fourth World). But at least for the films, at least Marvel continues to have very consistent fight sequences that are entertaining. The comparison between this and storyboarded action sequences come to mind as both make the action-component of the films pretty stellar (both DC and Marvel). However significant that is tho, one has to question just how much that matters in the overall quality of the film. One of my favourite Marvel films is the Black Panther and its final-act action just felt rushed and not altogether original (despite the entirety of the film from its set-designs, character-dynamics, worlds, themes, etc. feeling VERY unique and unlike most MCU fares). Similarly, WandaVision felt very properly experimental and once the MCUisms began, it actually popped off and felt right at home. I loved that sort of visual similarity. And the action sequences were still great. However, that's the problem tho that most of the action-choreography need to be reassessed as well. Perhaps there's a way to move forward with this tool and still make unique action and visual sequences within the limits of a tentpole studio production and still come out with original and unique content. WW84 for instance, got a lot of criticism but I loved how it was inspired by Cirque du Soleil, and it just feels like more could've been done there along those lines. Say if the next TransFormers movie decides to make a predominantly "close-quarters" style bar-room brawl between giant robots or say if they remade Troy with a focus on individual fighting styles (Greek boxing and wrestling are mentioned in the Iliad), it'd be a different visual language altogether. Ideally one cannot put the director on the back-burner with this. Like a video-game director, you keep the director at the helm, and that's somewhere Marvel differs in their approach. All of these are Kevin Feige films and their successes and shortcomings all come back to his creative input. I say that he's fairly modest about taking credit as it might be a bit strange for consumer-perception, but from what we've known Feige's involvement in the conceptual and planning and writing stages feel like something he deserves more credit for.

[@reduxboi.8586]

@Scorpio Wanda vision was a mediocre series and mcu fans are calling it a masterpiece.

[@gokuLM10]

Kevin Feige and Jon Favereu❤️ The pillars behind Marvel's success. Something DC should emulate.

[@Re-InCarNation]

If you're wondering why this was reuploaded it's because of the ant-man poster.

[@dylansarich687]

Is it cause ant man had a airplane pillow? I thought that was a joke that just went over my head

[@AntonioFloresBlanca]

What antman poster

[@ken_lagi694]

Waiting fortnite kid to say stfu

[@Jb-ik3pq]

What ant-man poster?

[@ken_lagi694]

@Notic 5.0 yeah my bad man, anyway stfu

[@seyidrml]

Imagine trying to keep that secret for 3 years damn. Effects team are goats

[@u235u235u235]

they're using foreign workers in Korea and India.

[@MB-ey6vv]

so basically, they're also into making PS2 cutscenes.

[@PAPERBUGTV]

Eventually chosen over the old method... Prutthead. 😅

[@zylnexxd842]

Yeah

[@samsignorelli]

Pretty impressive planning....and not limited to film. The show coordinator for the 19-time world champ Blue Devils Drum & Bugle Corps starts planning out shows 3-4 years before they're planned to hit the field, which gives him and other staffers time to try out show elements with various band programs they work with. This allows them to not only know what should work in the actual show, but to plan out changes to the program as the season progresses. They knew what they were going to do in the 2019 program as far back as 2015.

[@Mahmood.23]

Real ones have seen this before

[@AntonioFloresBlanca]

Why did reupload

[@thepuzzler317]

I’ve watched a few Previs scenes from wolverine from a friend it was soooo janky

[@sash2590]

And they reprivated it

[@DanielsTechStudio]

We're one step away from completely automating the on-set experience

[@theavatar9191]

Which makes sense for huge movies like these

[@sumedha4655]

its not automating, the previz people are still people and it would have still taken a lot of brainstorming, its just less control with the director

[@srikanth5955]

nope!

[@prettyaverage97]

Automating? You know it is PEOPLE doing all this work, right?

[@-empty.hallways-9739]

Nope.

[@darth_27]

The actors don’t deserve oscars these artists deserve waaaayyy more attention

[@donn780]

So why does that take away from acting performances?

[@fandydiadline]

There is an award in that area.

[@alexman378]

The artists get Oscars as well, not sure if you’re aware... No need to shit on one area to prop up another, and I say that as a VFX artist myself.

[@theavatar9191]

@@donn780 You have no idea how much the producers and directors are invested in their actors though. They speak about them as if they are the ones that hold the whole MCU together

[@alexman378]

@@greasycheese9050 And they’re not supposed to. Ironically, the biggest compliment you can give to a VFX artist is “I never even knew there was an effect there”,

[@Sondeep676]

Pj never disappoints 😊

[@reyesjohannchrissebastianc651]

Avengers The Kang Dynasty and Secret Wars are probably being worked in previs right now

[@joseloayza502]

and then the fake news will come out that they were not notified for up to 1 month. Although you can see the page of the study that works when I publish.

[@jimmythethird5514]

The farmhouse that Hawkeye lived in in Endgame was actually my cousins farmhouse in Georgia. They started filming in 2017, and the movie was released in 2019. They didn’t tell us anything about Endgame, just that it would be in Infinity War and maybe the Hawkeye tv show. I was absolutely star struck that one of my all time favorite franchises that I love would be so closely connected with me.

[@naiya03.u]

Stop faking it. It was filmed at Stratfield Saye Park in UK. So dear, I can say you are fool. Cuz you lied without knowing that the location is available on google. 😂

[@SumatranProject]

Fake af

[@TechoNeko]

I don't want to say you're fake but it would be good if you could give better proof nah your're fake

[@roxxychik06]

Except it was a fertilizing garden center and not a farm

[@naiya03.u]

@@TechoNeko 😂

[@dr.netfreak]

Marvel studios : *uses thousands of previs shots* Nolan : Hold my IMAX Camera

[@atwunz]

Nolan is physical, Marvel is digital. 😎

[@dr.netfreak]

@@atwunz That part is little dramatic

[@jothishprabu8]

Nolan: Imma use my brain mfs

[@vigneshchillale3449]

MARVEL BETTER

[@anuroopkm3181]

But Nolan can't bring a fkin Purple alien or a man on lighting for a movie

[@mr.heckercodm4493]

To all the people think directors are useless because of previs Think about it Movies from mcu are produced each year to keep the continuity of movies interconnecting each other. If they make directors to work on complicated stuff like camera placements and pre visualization which can be easily done by using softwares basically made for it then production can br wrapped much faster and time(also money cause time is money) is saved. Even after handing over previs, job of directors is not over cause they have to take the call which shot needs to make it to the movie and which shouldn't , after all human judgement cannot be replaced no matter how many improved technologies try to better their job.

[@DXCary10]

Previs is a useful tool but having that done before the director is even hired and the script is even finished is kinda ridiculous. I get the money reasons and I understand it’s efficient but having all those shots already planned? That takes out some of the fun and creativity. A movie should be the director’s vision. It should be how they interpret the script. Previs is expensive and u may hire the right director for the job but if they don’t like the previs then u r throwing a lot of money away redoing it. Scripts aren’t a 3 draft type thing. You are writing 10-30+ drafts of your script. There are so much changes between drafts that starting this process early on doesn’t really make sense. This should be a process that starts when the director is hired and the script is in a good place

[@thiagoaires]

@@DXCary10 Movies like this don't need to be only a director's vision. The MCU works especially because it doesn't function that way. It works as a TV show where who runs the overall story is the producer or showrunner while the directors are hired to film the individual episodes.

[@goodmind4940]

@@thiagoaires this is basically what George wanted to do when he wanted to do 12 episodes of Star Wars in 80s

[@JustinLeeper]

I do video game motion-capture and normal acting here in Japan. They stick VERY CLOSE to previz or storyboards in both. And often shoot in sequence. As an actor, that’s a bit stifling. It limits our ability to make choices - often one of our greatest contributions to a production. When there are so many effects and money involved, I get it. I’m fortunate to work with Hideo Kojima on Death Stranding, as he allowed us to still make choices in rehearsal and even during shooting.

[@jayffersartorio8650]

I think the previs people are the responsible of cool and animeish shots that give you goosebumps. I can't imagine old directors can visualize those cool angled and conceptualized shots.

[@kevinchan7878]

Love the work that previs puts into these movies, but... it really does make the directors lose their creative freedom. Hitchcock drew his own storyboards, others like Clint Eastwood and John Ford rarely used storyboards, but collaborate with their cinematographer on how a scene will look. The more something is visualized even in scenes without CGI just seems to take the freedom away from the directors, cinematographers, probably even the actors.

[@grendlsma]

But it puts the creativity into the hands of the pre-vis artists. The world is constantly changing.....

[@nibelheimnixxus]

Which begs the question, it doesn't make the directors lose their creative freedom when in fact the previz team are the actual director behind those movies. The director attached to it, seems to act as a second component to tied the previz to real life. The previz team should actually be credited as the director and the "director" as second director or assistant of some sort imo.

[@drewjenkins2318]

*DID ANYONE ELSE READ THE TITLE AS:* How DC Actually Releases Movies Years Before Completion

[@rohanalias9053]

Triggered dceu fans (Snyder fans all over the world)are skimping around waiting to devour on a person who praises MCU or bashes dc

[@drewjenkins2318]

@@rohanalias9053 Bro I don't "fan".

[@mohamedaaqib7530]

The previs would actually be the final version if it was an Indian movie PS ; not all movies

[@knightgamer1533]

Not all indian movies buddy

[@ניין-י9ש]

@@knightgamer1533 name one

[@cyberbot2709]

R u Serious?

[@paolopasaol9700]

False, man. But its only a spam of zoom shots, glass break sound effects and lots of WOOOOSH from being the finalized version

[@cerebrxll6064]

Shout out to the crew that works on these things having to keep plot points a secret for YEARS before it's ever filmed. I'm sure they love watching their final product in theatres though.

[@DeadMansParty]

Somewhere out there, are hidden copies of cancelled MCU films and future stuff like Fantastic 4.

[@happygoth09]

So sad that Marvel didn't approved on the final cut about the scene where Thanos punched Cap's shield, that will be epic!

[@_iceeeee]

Lol if thanos can punch threw vibranium like that than he can kill cap in one punch

[@vincentarceo7655]

Thats why Black Panther's final fight vfx was shit, there wasnt a previz

[@CobiVonSchweetz]

And acorrding to people, they had a month or 2 for that scene to be made

[@strider029]

Starting from the korea scenes you'll start to notice the downgrade of VFX, but yeah the final part was really terrible, they should have brought the stuntment inside the BP suits instead.

[@khailart8858]

No it’s actually because compared to other Marvel movies the Black Panther vfx team had a little over 6 weeks for the final fight

[@juandirection3751]

Marvel is the literal opposite of procrastination. Ironic... since a lot of scenes are improvised by actors

[@ft.jackjimmy7282]

doubt it's that easy for actors, who barely know or read the comics, to improvised important action sequences when all they're looking at are blue and green tarps.

[@aviram7129]

@@ft.jackjimmy7282 did they personally come and tell you they didn't read the comics? Or are all actors Marvel hire C grade actors

[@Cab895]

Finally some credit to the Previs team!!! They are responsible for so much of how the final movie will end up looking (in terms of composition, movement and camera angles)

[@loganpraz2566]

Hype after seeing the possible leaked previz of Wanda fighting Professor x

[@saumourai6909]

damn since 2016 they had to start editing CGI’S in Avengers Endgame

[@avairal5936]

No

[@vlenstudios5388]

While Captain America:Civil War filming at 2014 and then release 2016

[@saumourai6909]

mhm.

[@aviram7129]

@Scorpio What do you think the CGI is based of? Use some brains ye next time

[@reduxboi.8586]

@Scorpio true

[@brandon-ho7dt]

The animations look like the CW Flash’s visual effect LOL

[@ihadtotaketheredpill]

Flash has like 20 percent of the budget mcu films have. And mcu films are only 2 hours long while CW flash has to spread that budget across 22 episodes about 40 mins each episode. But yea I agree CW flashs cgi is terrible

[@LilianOrchard]

Hipsters in the comments learning about storyboards for the first time.

[@slasherverse1683]

This is how we move closer and closer towards movies being mass-produced like plastic from a mold.

[@youtub-fj8mu]

They already are.

[@jensennguyen02]

Its amazing how planned out this all is I do understand some of the concerns directors have with it, like the original black widow director Having someone else handle a big part of an action movie, you know like the actual action itself, really makes it feel like you don't have as much say on how things will play out Though even then, a lot of marvel movies feel they have some pretty distinct action from one another and how the different directors influenced that Like how in Winter Soldier it is clear that the Russo brothers wanted to have a big focus on more intense hand to hand combat while Avengers 1 and 2's action feels more directed by Joss Whedon where we get those big panning moments that capture a crazy comic book styled battle

[@thezyrex5692]

0:46 Chris Edwards looks like Cris Evans as the old man 😳🙄😳

[@windiercookie7979]

Me: Can we go watch Endgame? Mom: we have endgame at home. Endgame at home:

[@PresentingGreatMusic]

So basically let’s give directors much less credit and more credit to the visual effects team

[@eddiek8179]

Nope. The pre-viz shots are determined by the scripts and the directors themselves based off on storyboards and meetings with the directors. The pre-viz shots are then re-fined further by the directors, via further deliberations, to a point where the directors are satisfied that their vision for the scene is met by the pre-viz team which will then be used for the final shot that will be done either on location or created wholesale by the VFX department. But you go ahead, and create a narrative that is utterly false and imagined.

[@grendlsma]

@Scorpio Black Panther was one of the films that didn't use extensive pre-vis by 3rd floor. Maybe that's why you didn't like the action shots....?

[@dannymartial7997]

Those previs of Cap wielding the hammer was a huge risk since nowadays, things get leaked like a faucet. Thank god that moment didn't get spoiled for us.

[@rayo146-x8x]

This is basically the cinematic equivalent of the Marvel Method that Stan Lee invented for comics back in the Silver Age. Damn...

[@carlisle6831]

Kirby did more for marvel than Lee

[@Br0th3r7]

That's both amazing and so scary to me... it means that directing and other jobs done by men could potentially be replaced entirely by this

[@eduteller]

All cgi staff are people and doing these scenes is working as well.

[@Br0th3r7]

@@eduteller Of course, I just mean that these guys could replace other people doing their jobs like directors

[@justiceforsparky2423]

why just men?

[@Br0th3r7]

@@justiceforsparky2423 Sorry that's a bad translation from my tired French brain. In french, you can say "man" (Homme) to mean human beings, and i meant human beings

[@grendlsma]

@@Br0th3r7 Pre-vis is just a tool. A human still has to make the final decision. And have you watched the credits of a marvel film....? No lack of manpower in making these movies....

[@carlos10571]

*Martin Scorsese has left the chat*

[@manumudgal4988]

No one cares

[@gblatt8472]

Martin Scorsese has also used plenty of previs. Particularly on the Aviator and Hugo. He embraces all the available tools, even if he isn't in love with the MCU franchise.

[@gblatt8472]

​@@batavenger1022 That's not really the case, there's a TON of variety in Scorsese's filmography. It's not just gangster movies. He's done light hearted comedies, a dark musicals, period costume dramas, a whimsical 3D kids movie, a Hitchcock homage, 2 movies about Jesus, 1 about Buddhism, and a documentary on Bob Dylan.

[@Despair505]

@@batavenger1022 You clearly haven't even watched his movies, why are you pipping in?

[@slytherinqueen7960]

So basically they make a poorly rendered animation for almost every scene years before filming it in live action?

[@bennyboiart7781]

Man, just imagine the tight-lipped policy they must uphold to prevent spoilers from leaking out!

[@AntonioHernandez-li7kv]

This answer, saves 8 minutes

[@FallenLight0]

@@bennyboiart7781 Yeah, it's so many people working on these movies, how barely nothing leaks out. For example, in games, sometimes the whole game leaks, or a video of the new character etc.

[@BenjaminSchollnick]

@@bennyboiart7781 Yes, it's effectively animated storyboards.

[@prateekpanwar646]

@@FallenLight0 Most of time what you consider as leaks are intentionally leaked by companies themselves to get free PR and attention. Most of leaks are in control of them, People working in company hardly leak anything. If they do they get in trouble

[@Ridlay_]

Dang that’s actually really impressive.

[@RareBirdGames]

If I got paid to direct a marvel movie and they told me to not worry about the action sequences and only focus on the smaller emotional beats I'd consider that a huge weight lifted off my back.

[@ChangedMyNameFinally69]

Yes but then why are you there?

[@goodmind4940]

if star wars: last jedi did this we wouldn't have disappearing dagger

[@ChangedMyNameFinally69]

@@goodmind4940 I think you're thinking of Game of Thrones

[@goodmind4940]

@@ChangedMyNameFinally69 lol

[@rigzmoviediaries654]

That feeling when work on a single scene started 2 years before the movie was released.

[@ChrisPeteG]

Sure....super helpful for assembly-line, TV-style productions where you HAVE to get 3 movies out a year and CAN NOT delay them(Can't say, whoops, Ragnarok and Black Panther have problems, they won't come out until AFTER Infinity War....they HAVE to come out before) But at the same time it really minimizes the creative impact of Directors....ESPECIALLY those who feel like they are coming in 'over their head' and thus might be inclined to just let the "Marvel action and FX Team" pretty much DICTATE everything instead of trying to learn the craft and put their own unique stamp on it. This is why, despite Directors often feeling like they have their 'stamp' on certain dialogue and character scenes....somehow the action feels sort of 'samey'.... Back in the day, you could tell a John Woo action scene vs a Michael Bay action scene vs a James Cameron action scene vs a George Lucas action scene. Nowadays...you can't really tell a Russo action scene apart from a James Gunn action scene or a Joss Whedon action scenes....because all of the are just "Marvel Action scenes"

[@JonahDoesBusiness]

i loveeee how it just looks like an old video game

[@rhinuu045]

yea rlly shows the amount of work put into the cgi bc of different it looks from early development

[@TonyStark-uf2gh]

Now that's called true hardwork, dedication and pre-planning ❤️.

[@Just_Joe]

That moment when your previs is finished and once you start casting the actors they tell ya "No thanx, I'm a DC fan"

[@augustusstark]

It is like "Storyboarding"

[@Futives]

3:55 amongus

[@_ReaL_]

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[@JackCalvinRoss]

As a nerd, previs is really really cool. As a HUGE nerd, techvis is AMAZING.

[@SeanGrantstormpinball]

Fascinating! It makes total sense that this would be done when such large budgets are involved, but I had no idea that it was this organized and imperative to the final product.

[@rishiaman2288]

we saw it a few hours ago

[@richardmartinez5040]

Imagine having the ultimate responsibility of keeping the endgame ending a secret for 3 years…

[@rishabhsharma684]

Insider: how Marvel actually makes movies years before shooting. thanos: becuz i am inevitable

[@ryanif1651]

Black Panther skipped out on Third Floor. Makes perfect sense

[@JimmyBanGames]

Man its genuinely insane how much work goes into making a movie of this magnitude

[@xlixity]

It's depressing how there's no director's vision anymore when the final product was all decided by execs and Q&A testing years before the film is even filmed.

[@crozraven]

I guess maybe this is why I always thought most of Marvel movies action scenes just felt very "stock-ish" like it all used the same B-team for its actions even though this movies has multiple film directors with supposedly have their own flairs in cinematography. Compare this to WB/DC movies that have very different style of action scenes between TDK movies & Snyder DCEU movies, as in both actually fully directed & realized by its film directors that simply have a totally different flairs in cinematography.

[@TheHypeEngine]

No wonder some Directors pass. The film has already been planned .

[@MadGamer_666]

Lol of course. That happens with a lot of franchises. But Marvel has a lot of money at stake now. I'll not be surprised if phase 5 was already planned and previs.

[@reyesjohannchrissebastianc651]

So Spiderman 4 is in works right now in Previs ?

[@joseloayza502]

20 movies.

[@tehnative9779]

This is so cool! I had no idea this much work was done before the movies were even filmed

[@NagikunX]

Explains the budget. Really cool to learn about! Still doesn't change the fact that Endgame's ending was basically everyone taking turns beating on Thanos repeatedly though. Would have liked to seen at least SOME some give and take, especially since he had the Infinity Gauntlet the entire time. But I guess everyone just wanted their "yay my fav hero got a punch in" moment than an actual epic fight. Infinity War was better, especially with how narrow the outcome was.

[@adammalkovich187]

They're basically making an animated film before the live action.

[@MythopoeicNavid]

They're making an FMV sequence.