How Melody Expresses Harmony in Cave Story

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8-bit Music Theory

8-bit Music Theory

Күн бұрын

Something I've been thinking about recently is the way that melodies imply harmony, even when there are no chords being played underneath. In this video I take a look at different ways that this can happen using music from Cave Story.
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@8bitMusicTheory
@8bitMusicTheory 6 жыл бұрын
Okay, hold on, just for the record advising viewers to not ask for advice when writing music was supposed to be a joke. Please don't actually take that advice
@Giraffinator
@Giraffinator 6 жыл бұрын
Wait, so get advice to not take advice so don't take that advice, but then actually don't take that advice? Got it, cool
@arthexis
@arthexis 6 жыл бұрын
There is a kernel of truth in that advice. Sometimes, doing something just requires trying and failing until you make it, and not waiting for someone else to make a tutorial first. So... nothing wrong with asking for help, but to achieve greatness you also have to know when to brave a problem yourself.
@johannhowitzer
@johannhowitzer 6 жыл бұрын
There are times to ask for advice, and times to soldier through and uncover your own style. Sometimes you're just stuck, or something isn't working the way you want it to; you know how it should sound in your head, but you need someone else to give you that kick of theory analysis. Most times, though, you already have all the tools to make something great - just look at how great something really simple can be - and running prematurely for help could be quashing your own musical character. The hard part is knowing how to tell the difference.
@mettataurr
@mettataurr 6 жыл бұрын
Going by ear is the way to go mayn
@randominionfun5433
@randominionfun5433 6 жыл бұрын
But anyway, you should check out the sonic unleashed night soundtrack, I love the night boss battle
@stankyfeetproductions5074
@stankyfeetproductions5074 6 жыл бұрын
I literally have no understanding about what you talk about, but for some reason I really enjoy hearing you talk about it.
@bobotroi6080
@bobotroi6080 4 жыл бұрын
Same
@ZanyCat
@ZanyCat 4 жыл бұрын
same
@elaias8528
@elaias8528 4 жыл бұрын
Same
@digital_down
@digital_down 4 жыл бұрын
The more you watch the more you’ll pick up on. Everything is foreign until you can pick up more and more pieces. Composing isn’t theoretical physics, but the way you learn new things is always the same process.
@leonardovaldivia5200
@leonardovaldivia5200 3 жыл бұрын
Same
@leont6813
@leont6813 6 жыл бұрын
He didn't know ANYTHING ABOUT MUSIC!? How did he compose such a good soundtrack??? He really is a genius. Great video!!
@thenonexistinghero
@thenonexistinghero 3 жыл бұрын
You don't need to know anything about music to make good music though. There's quite a few videogame composers that really didn't know much, if anything about making music when they started doing it. If you have a vision and put in a lot of effort, you can make music that fits it. I'm not saying it isn't impressive, it very much is since this soundtrack is still amazing even today.
@Gramasz
@Gramasz 3 жыл бұрын
@@thenonexistinghero man as a musician.. I don't know. You can create stuff and simple catchy and working melodies Over few chords. Or messing around with guitar shapes and find sus chords and stuff. But creating implicit complex harmony like this with a keyboard and a midi... I don't know how is it possible
@thenonexistinghero
@thenonexistinghero 3 жыл бұрын
@@Gramasz Some folks just have the kind talent that allows them to do things like that. I'm not a musician but even I sometimes make up great songs in my head. And not just with simple melodies. I imagine there's quite a few people who can do that. And if someone has the ability to recreate that, they can create something amazing even if they don't have much, if any experience making music before.
@theinktician
@theinktician 2 жыл бұрын
@@Gramasz Tee Lopes. Never learned any instruments or music theory. Went on to create amazing covers, and eventually went on to make several musical tracks for the Sonic the Hedgehog franchise.
@tokenslol
@tokenslol Жыл бұрын
He did makes a few games with songs before, I don't think he knew NOTHING
@livvy94
@livvy94 6 жыл бұрын
I spent a couple of years making SNES remixes of this soundtrack in my free time, so all of this is blowing my mind rn. This is just the kind of stuff I was subconsciously thinking about and worrying if I was getting right
@kqakqa
@kqakqa 6 жыл бұрын
oh man, I remember your stuff from years back! nice. :p
@mushroomdude123
@mushroomdude123 6 жыл бұрын
I also make NES music (granted 80% of it is remixes). When I do original stuff, I’m subconsciously aware of this music theory stuff, even without realizing.
@TheBlueAnt
@TheBlueAnt 6 жыл бұрын
So glad you've seen this :)
@aldevou1668
@aldevou1668 6 жыл бұрын
mushroomdude123 which program do you use for composing NES/SNES music?
@mushroomdude123
@mushroomdude123 6 жыл бұрын
Famitracker
@lord_scrubington
@lord_scrubington 2 жыл бұрын
the fact he did this following his ears proves more than just that he's a genius. It proves the fundamental principle of music theory. Music theory just happens, its not something that is designed to gatekeep music, its just a way of pointing out patterns that naturally occur within compositions. You don't need to know music theory to follow it, and that's why it works
@spindash64
@spindash64 Жыл бұрын
And that’s why it’s Theory with a capital T rather than a lowercase: it may not be _empirically_ provable, but it’s still a rigorous explanation for how the human mind _perceives_ sound. It’s not that good music must adhere to Music Theory, it’s that music Theory must describe what makes music good, so almost any good song will be describable by this theory just the same as cosmology can be explained with General Relativity: it has edge cases where it fails, but that’s not proof of uselessness, simply incompleteness
@emmbeesea
@emmbeesea 6 жыл бұрын
I am a simple person. I see Cave Story music, I click. Also, those classic impressions are top notch. Always entertaining 8-bit Music Theory!
@awesome3104
@awesome3104 6 жыл бұрын
I literally just saw you as the top comment on a Siiva video and now the top comment here and got more confused than I should have been
@TheBlueAnt
@TheBlueAnt 6 жыл бұрын
Yeah, there's a pretty big overlap :)
@DarkFart420
@DarkFart420 6 жыл бұрын
Fitter. Happier. More productive.
@huemins
@huemins 6 жыл бұрын
I was about to say that you started your comment the exact same way under the Paper Mario TTYD video.. but hen the confusion of that other commenter confused me 😂 (i think the TTYDone was also top comment? lolz)
@saucebag8472
@saucebag8472 6 жыл бұрын
@@DarkFart420 A pig. In a cage. On antibiotics.
@snakebite2000
@snakebite2000 6 жыл бұрын
While its true that Pixel could have made a version of Cave Story himself, and your point stands as it relates to the music composition, no game gets made in a vacuum. In interviews Amaya cites how a friend from school taught him to program games, how other coders helped him during development and how he playtested the game with friends. Because of their feedback the beta version of the game, which took 2 years to make, was scrapped entirely and he started over almost from scratch. Great video and analysis as always, I just think these "lone genius" narratives can be really harmful and self-defeating sometimes.
@morganlak4337
@morganlak4337 6 жыл бұрын
I agree, it puts people off from making their own things because they think "I'm not a genius, I can't do this." When in reality no one does it alone and there was constant struggling and frustration in the process.
@morganlak4337
@morganlak4337 6 жыл бұрын
nutrition facts lmao ok man, you're definitely the emotionally stable one in this thread, we all can't handle our inferiority complexes, but you, clearly, are a master of self
@8bitMusicTheory
@8bitMusicTheory 6 жыл бұрын
Good point! He clearly had above-average ambition and work ethic, but it's a little too simplistic to just label him a genius and leave it at that
@stationshelter
@stationshelter 6 жыл бұрын
I actually am a genius and I still can't do anything
@morganlak4337
@morganlak4337 6 жыл бұрын
Can't is the wrong word. Especially with the internet, you can do anything you try to. It's easy to be discouraged, but you only have one life. Do something with it
@supahstarclod
@supahstarclod 6 жыл бұрын
Pixel's a HUGE inspiration to me, so I was very excited when this came in my feed. It blows my mind that Pixel composed the entirety of Cave Story's soundtrack without having much formal music training; intuition can be amazing sometimes. Thank you for making this video, was a very compelling watch!
@TheBlueAnt
@TheBlueAnt 6 жыл бұрын
Oh of course you're here. Love the Fusion Collabs.
@supahstarclod
@supahstarclod 6 жыл бұрын
Of course indeed! :)
@loganfeecemusic
@loganfeecemusic 6 жыл бұрын
That’s really interesting that he didn’t know anything about music theory but was still able to imply a secondary dominance chord progression
@dubioussheep1184
@dubioussheep1184 3 жыл бұрын
What's rad about re watching these videos is I've been actually learning music and bits of music theory so slowly these videos make more and more sense.
@LemakiMusik
@LemakiMusik 6 жыл бұрын
3:45 that is quite a bold claim. To me, the "path of least resistance" *was* A minor before you played the C chord. I guess the implied harmony is not that obvious when taken out of context.
@MarioPainter925
@MarioPainter925 6 жыл бұрын
Yeah, I don't really hear CM either. I think the implied harmony is obvious, but it is Am. You have the root and third of the Am chord, whereas you don't have the third of the CM. Also, it's much more common to start a phrase Do Re Me than La Ti Do.
@vladimirmlotschek3265
@vladimirmlotschek3265 4 жыл бұрын
I wonder if how a lot of popular music chooses to start their melodies off on the tonic note of whatever key they're in influences how we perceive the A-B-C motion as implying Am rather than CM. The semitone between B-C is why we could hear a CM chord instead of Am - the harmonic strength of moving from scale degree 6-7-8 that would be implied with CM is much stronger than going from 1-2-b3 (flattened third in relation to the A major scale). Until I heard the B-C, my brain said "the key of A minor, A minor chord", but that B-C made the C feel resolved and made that feel like the tonic chord.
@LemakiMusik
@LemakiMusik 4 жыл бұрын
​@@vladimirmlotschek3265 I'm really glad that you replied two years after my initial comment because listening back to that A-B-C motion, I heard the implied CM instead of Am. The way I might explain that difference is that, as you said, the music I listened to the most back then (rock, pop, zimmeresque film soundtracks...) tend to forego functional harmony in favor of more static 4 chord structures. I was already listening to a lot of different genres but my exposure to jazz has undeniably been stronger those past 2 years, which is why I instantly heard a ii-V-I today. 8-bit Music Theory has obviously learn theory a gr8 bit (see what I did there?), probably classical, and that explains why he often resorts to functional harmony and numbering degrees relative to the major scale (which I am not always on board with as sometimes the pieces analysed sound like an other mode to me, and I would rather place the tonic according to that), but it also explains how he hears that 7-1 resolution and I didn't. So basically I would say that cultural conditioning has a huge impact on how that motion is perceived (as with almost every aspect of music, frankly), just like you suggested in your first sentence.
@amnongravenmur9024
@amnongravenmur9024 3 жыл бұрын
What harmony is implied is very related to one’s own culture and background, so the “path of least resistance” depends on who you are
@Sebb_Music
@Sebb_Music 6 жыл бұрын
The fact that he didn't know music theory makes me more confident in my music production. I always wonder whether my chord progressions are good or not because i write them solely by ear too. So good to know that that can still work out really well!
@jblen
@jblen 6 жыл бұрын
The cave story title theme is still one of my favourite themes from anything ever.
@Bankai2169
@Bankai2169 6 жыл бұрын
Thank you for bringing us out of the dark cave of ignorance so we can see the light of knowledge
@AtmaDragoon
@AtmaDragoon 6 жыл бұрын
...Gosh dang it, Mimiga Town always givin' me the sad feels. So much beautiful music in Cave Story. ;_;
@Flomen01
@Flomen01 6 жыл бұрын
As a percussionist, I have no idea what any of this means, but I love it.
@inoh
@inoh 6 жыл бұрын
Great video ( nice job on the editing ! ) but the 'gameplay' from 1:40 to 2:12 was so frustrating I had to rewatch this part 3 times to pay attention to what you were saying haha
@dlivingstonmcpherson
@dlivingstonmcpherson 6 жыл бұрын
Although since that section was about tension and release, maybe the continued failing and exploration was demonstrating tension in gameplay? Or maybe 8bit only played a couple of hours for gameplay footage, and so is still rusty and had to use whatever he got.
@8bitMusicTheory
@8bitMusicTheory 6 жыл бұрын
I thought it would fit since I was talking about aimless, meandering melodies
@inoh
@inoh 6 жыл бұрын
8-bit Music Theory yeah I thought that might be it, cool attention to detail
@xCriticalStrikex
@xCriticalStrikex 6 жыл бұрын
i literally thought the same thing!!!! I was so distracted by it haha but more so at 5:29 to 6:10
@letsmeknife
@letsmeknife 6 жыл бұрын
haha right, some of the gameplay was pretty arduous to watch, it made me want to go back and play myself as a reassurance that it doesn't have to be that bad
@auroricaura
@auroricaura 6 жыл бұрын
Are you sure Mozart didn't just say "leck mich im Arsch"?
@Atma505
@Atma505 6 жыл бұрын
just spit rice on my keyboard
@kennedysvr
@kennedysvr 6 жыл бұрын
Actually, it's "Leck mich _am_ Arsch"
@quadpad_music
@quadpad_music 6 жыл бұрын
This comment deserves a ton more likes.
@jesus7486
@jesus7486 5 жыл бұрын
@@kennedysvr Actually, you're wrong. "Leck mich am Arsch" is the right way to say it in German, but Mozart composed a piece which was called "Leck mich im Arsch".
@shadoninja
@shadoninja 6 жыл бұрын
Amazing as always. I couldn't be happier that you are here sharing your passion with us :)
@too_many_fish
@too_many_fish 6 жыл бұрын
That last bit about not knowing what he was doing was really encouraging. I write my own music as well and don't know much more than basic scales. Gives me hope for my music writing future :)
@QuotePilgrim
@QuotePilgrim 6 жыл бұрын
"Didn't ask anyone how to do it". Except that he actually did. Here's two quotations from an interview with him on Kotaku: “I had always enjoyed drawing and making music, and I loved video games” “In 1996 I was studying at a computer technical school and living in a dormitory - my neighbour was a guy named Nao; he taught me how to program video games.” So, he's been making music way before he made the game, and he learned how to program video games from someone else. Org Maker, his music-making program, was released _four years_ before Cave Story. While it's possible to make music without a lot of theory knowledge, it's much less likely anyone would be able to write a music-making program without it, so he must've had that knowledge at least four years prior to the game's release. At the very least he would've needed to understand acoustics in order to write the program, since he wrote the code that generates the sound waves.
@maple201
@maple201 6 жыл бұрын
I like how he avoided the 12 equal temperament. Definitely one of the advantages of not asking someone else.
@QuotePilgrim
@QuotePilgrim 6 жыл бұрын
He *didn't* avoid 12-TET though. Where the hell did you even got that idea from? I mean, OrgMaker literally has a piano-roll in it. I didn't really need to test it since I already knew what the result would be, but I did so anyway, I downloaded the program, looked at the frequencies of the notes in a tuner and, lo and behold, middle C registered as ~261.6 Hz and A4 was 440 Hz. Precisely what you would expect from an instrument tuned with 12-TET. The thing about 12-TET is that it is virtually impossible to avoid it _unless you know what is,_ which isn't really possible without, y'know, learning about it from someone. I mean, it is technically possible to avoid it without knowing you're doing so if the only instrument you have access to is tuned with just intonation or a different system. The moment you start making music on a computer, however, you will use 12-TET without realizing it, and you'll probably not even notice any difference. And besides, equal temperament (be it 12-TET or 19-TET or whatever) is such a useful tool there is almost no good reason why you should actively avoid it to begin with.
@mvnkycheez
@mvnkycheez 6 жыл бұрын
Funny how you guys a e talking about this - i just recently read an interview in which Aphex Twin talks about how he specifically tries to AVOID that when he writes music
@QuotePilgrim
@QuotePilgrim 6 жыл бұрын
@@mvnkycheez Could you link link to it so I could take a look?
@holopengin
@holopengin 6 жыл бұрын
Actually, I don't see how you would actually need much music theory to make a tracker. If you know what a piano normally sounds and looks like and can do the minimal research to learn what frequencies each note plays at on whatever people consider standard tuning, that's really most of what you need. Everything else would be the programming itself and pulling basic inspiration from other trackers. No learning of keys, scales, etc actually all that necessary.
@zarcanzo
@zarcanzo 6 жыл бұрын
Wow, the updates to the editing style in this one are amazing. Very seamless!
@Outlin.e
@Outlin.e 6 жыл бұрын
I gasped when I saw this episode in my sub feed! Cave Story’s music is so good!
@marekgogowski7377
@marekgogowski7377 3 жыл бұрын
dude, your channel is a well of knowledge!
@maksymilianreiter3111
@maksymilianreiter3111 6 жыл бұрын
Cave story is a real classic, lovely game
@MoebiusTheComposer
@MoebiusTheComposer 6 жыл бұрын
Very Interesting stuff. I love how little information the ear (or I guess, the brain) needs to actually fill out the blanks. Superb video!
@RocketSlug
@RocketSlug 6 жыл бұрын
Huge fan of Cave Story and Mimiga Town is my favorite track in it. Thanks for the lovely breakdown!
@wesleygrove9635
@wesleygrove9635 6 жыл бұрын
During the section with the romance cadences, my eyes were opened and I could suddenly hear in my head how many different songs I know that use that. This is why I love this channel
@YingwuUsagiri
@YingwuUsagiri 6 жыл бұрын
Welcome back! Also I'm very happy that you started to input a lot more of your own excerpts, they sound extremely good in the sound you use and clear up a lot about the melody being played a lot simpler in terms of how much is going on (especially clear in the Castlevania video where the OST is often busy but your examples really clear and calm).
@ksear9594
@ksear9594 6 жыл бұрын
This is the best birthday present I could have ever gotten, thank you and keep up the amazing work !
@ThePianoFortePlayer
@ThePianoFortePlayer 6 жыл бұрын
Herr 8-bit music theory, how do you make very cool videos all the time, can you give me some advice
@Schwallex
@Schwallex 6 жыл бұрын
So this is either a not-so-subtle reference to the advice given at the 11:55 mark, or a genuine question from someone who's not even watched that far and wouldn't get the message if they did. Hm. Tough call. But since this is KZbin, I guess it must be the latter alright.
@ThePianoFortePlayer
@ThePianoFortePlayer 6 жыл бұрын
I don't mind advice, but I was going more for the joke
@joshbennett8690
@joshbennett8690 6 жыл бұрын
I always like your videos before I've even watched them. It just saves myself the trouble later cuz I know it's gonna be a slam dunk every time
@peony4175
@peony4175 6 жыл бұрын
I can’t tell you how long I’ve been waiting to see you make a Cave Story video. It’s one of my favorite games, and has many hours into, countless speed run attempts, and just... huff. I love this game. Thank you, 8Bit!
@MathRTD
@MathRTD 6 жыл бұрын
Every day with a new 8-bit video is a happy day
@ZincFrog
@ZincFrog 6 жыл бұрын
Cave Story and 8-bit Music Theory make a great combo.
@TheBlueAnt
@TheBlueAnt 6 жыл бұрын
Is Cave Story even 8-bit? I don't think it is...
@tortture3519
@tortture3519 6 жыл бұрын
blue ant Are the new mario carts 8-bit? He's made a video about those too.
@TheBlueAnt
@TheBlueAnt 6 жыл бұрын
The new Mario Cart games aren't mistaken for 8-bit nearly as much.
@FeedEgg
@FeedEgg 2 жыл бұрын
There's a reason you can recall every song from memory alone.
@AmandaKaymusic
@AmandaKaymusic 6 жыл бұрын
Thank you for enlightening me on the most romantic of the cadences. I gained a great deal of knowledge from this clip. Thank you 8-bit Music Theory.
@leeguitare
@leeguitare 6 жыл бұрын
Been waiting for this vid ever since I found your channel!
@kyrla
@kyrla 6 жыл бұрын
"It's tough to keep a melody interesting if it doesn't convey any sense of harmonic movement on its own" I have Steve Reich calling on line three
@shiningarmor2838
@shiningarmor2838 6 жыл бұрын
Tough is not impossible.
@klop4228
@klop4228 6 жыл бұрын
Does Steve Reich really use 'melodies', though? More like interesting textures. Or maybe I haven't listened to the right Reich
@8bitMusicTheory
@8bitMusicTheory 6 жыл бұрын
So you think it's easy to write like Steve Reich?
@kyrla
@kyrla 6 жыл бұрын
Not at all, I think I just got the tone of your statement wrong. It sounded to me like you were just writing off minimalism as a whole.
@crono303
@crono303 6 жыл бұрын
It's pretty obvious he's talking in a broad sense. Steve Reich and minimalist composers use other aspects of music to keep it interesting. Reich in particular had a period of time where he was fascinated with phasing, the subtle changes of several musical lines as they line up differently with each other. So, Steve Reich does use harmonic movement somewhat, but tends to focus on arrangement, timbre, and rhythm to maintain interest. Saying, "It's tough," is fairly accurate, because it takes a skilled composer, i.e. somehow who has mastery and control of many aspects over music, to deliberately downplay one facet of music and still make it interesting. Purposefully limiting oneself and creating great art is hardly easy.
@hermest99
@hermest99 6 жыл бұрын
What a fantastic game, gotta replay it when I get some spare time to do so. Great video, keep up the good work!
@cooperm211
@cooperm211 6 жыл бұрын
Always clear and to the point! Great teaching!
@takemetoyonk
@takemetoyonk 5 жыл бұрын
This was a really powerful video for me since I just decided to follow the career of video game composer and I've been playing on the piano for over a decade now, with little academic training in my past. I want to promise myself to not get lost in rules and suggestions, and keep my creativity and voice that I love so much. Of course I'll get input and get my degree, lol. Thank you again for your channel, if you don't hear it enough.
@liamfrager
@liamfrager 6 жыл бұрын
I know you’ve done a lot on TLoZ, but I would love to hear you analyze something from the 25th or 30th Anniversary Symphony Orchestras. :) amazing video as always!
@Syberi388
@Syberi388 6 жыл бұрын
Wow, I was not expecting such an in-depth analysis. Thank you for making this
@winterfire567
@winterfire567 6 жыл бұрын
I know nothing of chord progression or music theory in general. Even so, I still really appreciated it. It was really enjoyable to watch. Thank you. :)
@awesomeradicalbro
@awesomeradicalbro 5 жыл бұрын
I used to be OBSESSED with cave story back when i was in primary school but haven't replayed it since, and this video brought back some major nostalgia, I absolutely love the music in this game
@TheMaplestrip
@TheMaplestrip 6 жыл бұрын
I'm so glad to finally see a video on _Cave Story_'s music. These game has one of my favorite soundtracks of all time, and I've cried many times to "Mimiga Town" and "On To Grasstown" many times. As the tracks go on, l feel like different melodies begin singing together and it's beautiful.
@connordarvall8482
@connordarvall8482 6 жыл бұрын
I have no idea about what I'm doing when it comes to chords, but my songs always seem to have something missing. After looking at a lot of your videos, I can now understand what my songs may have been missing. It's just remembering what chords belong to what key at what time that's going to take effort.
@LouisSerieusement
@LouisSerieusement 6 жыл бұрын
I love your work !!! Their is so much to learn from your analysis, plus they are the most fun of all music analysis on the internet
@mason4882
@mason4882 6 жыл бұрын
I love that you kept the music playing at the end until it resolved back to 1. I greatly appreciate that😂
@mrbenson766
@mrbenson766 6 жыл бұрын
Amazing Video. Only thing I would have liked is if after analyzing each section, you'd play footage of the song for 10-15 sections over gameplay. Thanks for making these!!! I love them
@enricopersia4290
@enricopersia4290 6 жыл бұрын
What i like the most of this video is that you just describe what you feel about harmony and not sterile calculations of what should be used in that context
@Infinity-fj2li
@Infinity-fj2li 2 жыл бұрын
Every time I watch these videos. I realize that music is more science than art and that I'll never be able to write any just by being creative lol
@dohboy7500
@dohboy7500 6 жыл бұрын
I completely appreciate how long these videos must take to produce, but please pick up the pace haha. You are my only "must-click" subscription I have now
@AudreyII970
@AudreyII970 6 жыл бұрын
Music isn't my art of choice or ability, but holy fuck, in even my limited grasp this channel is absolutely enlightening. Thank you for the hard work!
@hylianmage413
@hylianmage413 6 жыл бұрын
This was a great video! I'm always down to listen to anyone talk about Cave Story's music, because it's just so fantastic and well-implemented..
@misterhero7035
@misterhero7035 6 жыл бұрын
Yes, I’m certainly processing all of this.
@jokiu4
@jokiu4 6 жыл бұрын
Even though I can barely understand the terminology used here I find it really interesting. Music is one thing I'm interested to learn but too lazy to really get invested into... But never-the-less I like how you explain things here and earned a subscription!
@justindeclair346
@justindeclair346 6 жыл бұрын
I have close no idea what you're talking about but it made me fucking melt. Thank you.
@Fortressmonsterguy
@Fortressmonsterguy 6 жыл бұрын
Great video! It made me decide to try the game out, and now I'm super glad I did it
@Omugiku
@Omugiku 6 жыл бұрын
Cave Story is probably one my favorite games, like, ever. Thank you for going over some of the music that Pixel features.
@cheeseypeasey8482
@cheeseypeasey8482 6 жыл бұрын
Spot-on impressions as always.
@galuppimusic
@galuppimusic 6 жыл бұрын
Your videos are the best VGM analyses and the best music theory tutorials on the web. I recommended your channel to the 75 students in my Intro to Western Music class today, so maybe you'll get a few new subscribers :-)
@HalloBruce
@HalloBruce 6 жыл бұрын
That introduction gave me life
@nthSonata
@nthSonata 6 жыл бұрын
This game is one of my favorite games of all time! Thank you so much for this video!
@zachcollier
@zachcollier 6 жыл бұрын
Another amazing episode, this time about my favorite game soundtrack. Thanks!
@FraktalPriest
@FraktalPriest 6 жыл бұрын
Subbed. This is vital information that I need as a musician, Thanks!
@JKeltTV
@JKeltTV 6 жыл бұрын
I absolutely love your channel! I think an episode for the Doom games (all of them, except maybe Doom 3) would make great videos
@MisterAppleEsq
@MisterAppleEsq 6 жыл бұрын
4:08 I can just hear your annoyance at having to say Cb.
@samanthabree1246
@samanthabree1246 6 жыл бұрын
Mister Apple Ok, I'll play... B#. :P
@AmbiambiSinistrous
@AmbiambiSinistrous 6 жыл бұрын
underrated comment^^
@JizzburnGigaqueer
@JizzburnGigaqueer 6 жыл бұрын
This video was TRULY excellent. Bravo!
@AlexSeibel
@AlexSeibel 6 жыл бұрын
hoo boy my favourite youtuber making a video about my favourite game? siiiiick
@pikachufan25
@pikachufan25 5 жыл бұрын
im learning how to do understand this concept and thanks to this video, i understand it Thanks so much
@legoman1690
@legoman1690 6 жыл бұрын
I was hoping you'd break down the amazingly chaotic bops like Running Hell, Last Cave, or Running Back, but an excellent video nonetheless!
@assman6249
@assman6249 6 жыл бұрын
Great episode, absolutely love this game
@GalenH15
@GalenH15 6 жыл бұрын
i always knew cave story music was impossibly brilliant but this really brought it home. Thank you.
@seveneightlp
@seveneightlp 6 жыл бұрын
1:53 thank you for providing proper credit for my composition
@obvfw
@obvfw 5 жыл бұрын
I've been trying to make new songs that sound Pixel-esque for months, as I'm working on a spiritual successor to Cave Story. I can't even read sheet music and your explanations make sense, so you must be doing something right!
@retrocademedia-announcements
@retrocademedia-announcements 6 жыл бұрын
I was whistling Balrogs theme when this popped up in my recommended. It was destiny!
@isdisorigionale
@isdisorigionale 5 жыл бұрын
I really like this video, because it shows how subjective analyzing music can be and how composing and analyzing music are pretty different. Thanks for the good content!
@ryanjordan9003
@ryanjordan9003 6 жыл бұрын
Hey there, your videos are amazing. I feel like I’ve learned so much more about music, even though I thought I knew a lot already. Anyways, I had a video idea: So, in Desert theme music, to me it feels like there are similarities to evoke that desert-y sound/vibe, but I just don’t really know how. Maybe there’s a little bit of Phrygian mode in there, but I’m not sure what other ingredients are added to make that nice desert vibe in desert theme music. I guess check out Gritzy desert’s (Mario and Luigi superstar saga) theme, or the dusty dune galaxy (Mario Galaxy) theme just to name a few that I was thinking of. Keep the vids coming-I’ve watched all of them and I’ll definitely continue to. You’re awesome, and thank you for all the great vids!
@TheAnonymousNumbers
@TheAnonymousNumbers 6 жыл бұрын
I see that easy mode skin. You can't fool me, Mr. 8-bad-at-games Music Theory. Seriously, though, great video. Glad to see one of my favorite games covered on this channel!
@thehoodedteddy1335
@thehoodedteddy1335 6 жыл бұрын
Found this in my recommended videos. Wow music is way more complex than I thought
@WillowEpp
@WillowEpp 6 жыл бұрын
3:23 "Walking up from A to B to C clearly implies a C major tonality." ...Clearly? I mean, I admit I'm a damned greenhorn, but I really don't get where that conclusion comes from. Can you elucidate?
@michaelleue2576
@michaelleue2576 3 жыл бұрын
A to B to C sounds like the key of C major, or A minor, or G major, or E minor. Since you're playing an A and a C, and not an E or a G, you're going to hear the A or C as the root. Whether you hear one or the other as the root depends on whether you're expecting a minor sound or a major sound. Most people expect a major sound, outside of any additional context, even though in the key of C this is an inverted Cmaj13, which is a bit wonky. The B is a passing note, though, and if you ignore it then C6 or Cdim7 are less weird. If you've been listening to music in a minor key a lot, it does make a lot of sense to hear the A as the root, though, both because that's the first note in the sequence and because Am is possibly the most common minor chord there is. So no, not clearly, not to me, but hearing the C as the root is reasonable, and it's what a lot of people will do just because they're used to music in a major tonality and expect it. I know your comment is years old, but I felt like having this information in the comments somewhere would make the video easier to parse, so I dropped this in.
@WillowEpp
@WillowEpp 3 жыл бұрын
@@michaelleue2576 Good comment, thanks!
@henrygutierrez3243
@henrygutierrez3243 6 жыл бұрын
Every time you upload, I feel glee.
@NightfoxNiko
@NightfoxNiko 6 жыл бұрын
"Don't ask anyone how to do things." "Oh, and by the way, come to our Discord and ask for tips."
@mcphersonsound
@mcphersonsound 6 жыл бұрын
yes! this is easily my favorite aspect of music theory, thank you sir.
@tomasr.2945
@tomasr.2945 6 жыл бұрын
1:52 Man! That's when I completely lost it in laughter! Thank you 8-Bit!
@duwanglover3424
@duwanglover3424 6 жыл бұрын
Imma be 100 with ya 8-Bit. I don't understand anything you ever say. I just like listen to your voice and my favorite video game soundtracks, Cave Story especially!
@HyperOrange
@HyperOrange 6 жыл бұрын
I'd love to see a part 2 where you look at other lesser known cave story music such as Labyrinth Fight, Moonsong, or On To Grasstown
@onism3053
@onism3053 4 жыл бұрын
I absolutely love this channel
@joylox
@joylox 6 жыл бұрын
One of my favourite games and soundtracks! I find it interesting listening to the remastered audio and seeing what was changed. I think I still prefer the original simple music. It does make it a bit of a challenge to play since I base my playing of organ around chords. As a musicology minor, this actually fills in a lot of gaps I missed with not being in music theory classes. And as a CS major, it still amazes me that one guy made such a good game alone!
@superretrobros.5801
@superretrobros.5801 6 жыл бұрын
I’m so glad I found this channel:)
@woosix7735
@woosix7735 3 жыл бұрын
I love the sound of VI-vi
@yo3826
@yo3826 6 жыл бұрын
I like this video on cave story you just did. I'm hoping that you do more of cave story analysing the boss theme and the doctor's theme
@joestyles4639
@joestyles4639 6 жыл бұрын
One of my favourite games with the best sound tracks!
@SunKingDino
@SunKingDino 6 жыл бұрын
I NEEDED THIS VIDEO THANK YOU
@kevo4us
@kevo4us 6 жыл бұрын
Love it bro, keep it up!
@red5t653
@red5t653 6 жыл бұрын
A Cave Story MUSIC THEORY video? IT'S PERFECT.
@michaelleue2576
@michaelleue2576 3 жыл бұрын
I watched this video a year and a half ago and was all "I don't really understand, but its nice music." Now I feel like I do understand most of the things you say, which makes it really weird that the video is even more confusing to me than the first time I watched it.
@kkngd391
@kkngd391 Жыл бұрын
Maybe you're starting to see wave consider stuff you never have before
@34p18
@34p18 6 жыл бұрын
I actually fist pumped when I saw you made a video on Cave Story XD
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