How mods ruined my Minecraft experience....

[@Harpnar]

man oh man am i excited to talk about this video. you genuinely hit all the flaws about enhanced vanilla that i was thinking about when watching this video like seriously, right as you introduced a topic, i thought of what the section was gonna be about, and you shared the exact same experiences that i had, like at 2:44. the sheer size of my old mod list was incredible, and like you had mentioned, i kept searching for more and more mods and never got to actually sit down and play the game like i once had done in the past i dont like pointing out names, but flowstate among others creators of vanilla+ experience videos (no hate directed towards him at all. he truly is the goat for finding really cool mc+ mods for those who enjoy it) really took away my passion for playing the game and the actual content of minecraft itself, and rather directed my focus towards 'perfecting' my gameplay experience by downloading a mod that adds some particles or a mod that adds new mob textures and again, like you had mentioned, none of these mods i downloaded ever graced the surface of a playthrough because id quit the game during the school week due to schoolwork and id repeat the process all over again on the weekends when i actually had time. it was so draining your points of highlighting features of the game many people dont know about or just dont utilize is simply put, the truth. i never have used armor trims, never tinkered with redstone, and never built with calcite. this is pretty sad as ive been playing the game since i was 6 and some of these features like the nautilus shell that have been in the game for quite a long time, have significant uses to them, and really dont get put to use by the vast majority of the player base its crazy how many vanilla+ mods are silently hidden in vanilla minecraft that not many people, including myself, know about. i really hope this video blows up as i think a lot of people need to watch this too see and realize why they arent enjoying minecraft as much as they used to. hopefully it inspires them as much as you did to me! p.s. thanks for the cameo =)

[@gamingwithlilabe3711]

OOOOOO

[@mayhem502]

I'm on the very opposite end of this spectrum. I think vanilla is extremely boring and can't stand playing it for very long, I've been playing Minecraft literally since 2010 and regardless of the new updates they add to the game with vanilla it hasn't scratched that itch for me in a very long time. Generally I play with 200+ mod modpacks because it adds a load of content and new side to the game.

[@MalcolmKeithGaming]

If you're going to do modded, going all out would definitely be the way to go. I may try my hand at a full modded experience (one of my friends started an RLCraft server that I had started making a video on), but I think I'll wait till after I explore what the base game has to offer.

[@slyfoxblox]

@@MalcolmKeithGaming I strongly recommend Vault Hunters. Me and my brother have been absolutely ADDICTED to it.

[@vintrion]

@@MalcolmKeithGaming Yoo nah you should try prominence II hasturian era if you can, one of the best rpg modpacks ever if youre int othat (beware you need a beefy pc tho its like 449 mods)

[@themadnes5413]

Im the opposite, i play since the first versions of minecraft too. And i had my phase where i played many mods for 1-2 years. Now i cant stand mods that change the gameplay anymore and enjoy minecraft for what it is way more. Redstone is enough to never get bored.

[@MalcolmKeithGaming]

@@themadnes5413 I think Redstone is one of the greatest features of the game. Could be one of the things that made Minecraft as successful as it is today. Definitely something I want to make a video on.

[@scottrastyles2592]

I understand your experience with over modding and I'm glad you shared your experience

[@MpS_Maybe_I_Exist]

i've never been a huge mod guy, i use mostly performance-visual mods but with this video you gave me the super nice idea of scrolling through the list of achievements and making structures/biomes for each one of them (for the ones that my mind can produce at least)

[@multigrandmarquis]

Vanilla minecraft is incredibly fun, but I miss the experience of discovering and stress-testing new features as I discovered them. It's what's fun for me. So finding new mods to play with and customize is half the fun even if I don't want to want to play a full modpack that changes everything about the game. I prefer vanilla when playing singleplayer, sure, but singleplayer survival has never been able to hold my attention. Multiplayer is much more fast paced and could use that speed and accessibility boost that comes with Vanilla+ mods making the more difficult or exclusive to access features easier. On this same note too, nothing keeps a group's attention better than everyone being able to explore and specialize themself in a different mod. When I play a vanilla+ server I'll have individual people focusing on archeology or making tea or running a tavern or becoming a blacksmith in much more involved and in depth ways than vanilla would allow. Everyone does their own thing without having to decide what basic gameplay things they *won't* do. I wouldn't consider Vanilla+ a trap at all. It's a tool to figure out your own preferred experience just like anything else. You just can't let yourself be consumed by it.

[@SimplyTheRedMelon]

Indium isnt a performance mod its an addon for sodium to help render things that might/cannot be rendered normally in the vanillia game just thought i might point that out since your trying to shorten your mod list

[@hooqad]

Im a big fan of mods enhancing the vanilla experience. Its great to have diffrent structures that fill you with the feel of mystery, or diffrent events like a blood moon adds so much variety. I love the shader packs with the default ressource pack. Minecraft always felt like having to unveil all the mysteries that were waiting for us. Tbh, diffrent NPC, maybe a human mob that just watches you inside a foggy forest, diffrent villages maybe with a little castle. All these things just add up to a way to play minecraft which literally forces you to explore more of the world. Im not a fan of too much mods that change the core of the game. I wanna play minecraft, but with much more things to explore

[@mcohanov]

With full respect, I disagree. Vanilla minecraft is extremely boring and bland. I don't play vanilla for 2 years now. After I tried alex's mobs, l_ender's cataclysm, create, farmer's delight, supplementaries I can't go back. Currently playing Better Minecraft 4 pack with 370 mods and I can't imagine playing without any mods.

[@Zubula3]

So I rarely comment something on youtube but I like "spicing up" minecraft. Thats why I use probably the only modpack I like which is The Vanilla Experience by Serilum. This modpack have mostly slight changes like: Smaller bees, double doors or witch drops all loot (helps farming redstone). Im also always adding performace mods and 2 slightly changing world gen mods such as Geophilic for biome enhancing and Repurposed structures for more variaty of vanilla structures. I never liked making minecraft super modded with mega structures and weapons or new baioms. This always felt lilke completely different game for me. And now for some reason I cant play minecraft other way without using vanilla+ mods.

[@RB-ej8wk]

I usually just do datapacks. Those can still significantly change the experience but don't change the fundamentals. For example one of my favorite world had only one datapack where you could craft monoliths to teleport between.

[@RePorpoised]

haha, datapacks are reinventing themselves right now, allowing custom items that activate their own scripts and can play custom sounds. It's not gonna be long before datapacks start having features we normally associate with mods.

[@justmalfu]

it ruined because it's heavily modded. vanilla+ for me at least it change how it looks, like texture and animation. it shouldn't be making you miss any vanilla minecraft experience. but yeah i understand that sometimes it tough to stop modding. sometimes i want it to be perfect as the gameplay that i imagine.

[@MalcolmKeithGaming]

Yeah, I always played on completely Vanilla servers but with a ton of mods that changed the game visually, not mechanically. The big problem, for me at least, was endlessly searching for more mods to make it "perfect," dealing with incompatibilities and bugs, and tweaking settings every time I played. So what worked for me was just cutting out all of it.

[@Harpnar]

this is such a good take. i always want my worlds to be ‘perfect’, imagining all the cool build ideas i have in mind yet never actually get built because you lose motivation. once you start modding its hard to go back to those days where you strictly played vanilla minecraft even without sodium or other optimization mods. i really enjoyed not having to worry about keeping my mods up to date or having the most flashy mods installed. just opening up the launcher and pressing play

[@rainycake]

The most pointless video of all time. "I was messing with the mods more than I played the game. How did I stop? I just don't use mods anymore!" Wow dude. Really? That's insane. A lot of people just get mods AND play the game. And a lot of people ENJOY messing with the mods. That's its own entertainment.

[@FFrailing]

Exactly

[@herlify]

lmaoo fr. Use mods just enough to enhance your experience, you don't have to change the whole game which gets over this dudes head

[@randoguy7488]

2:40 Also tweaking the modlist isn't bad, that's exactly how modpacks are made. Figuring out what works and what doesn't. I enjoy making a kitchensink modpacks with my friends and then setting up a server for it maybe even more than playing the modpack, as there's no Minecraft's resource gathering tedium involved.

[@Harpnar]

i think you should take a step back, take a deep breath, and rewatch this video to understand its ultimate intended purpose and goal this video was created for a very precise target audience, specifically those who realized that attempting to ‘enhance’ their client with mods that slightly tweaked the aesthetic or gameplay diverted their attention from actually enjoying the game to the modding aspect itself he’s attempting to resolve that said issue for individuals like me who experience it whilst playing every person plays minecraft differently, and that’s the beauty of it. seeing how different every persons experiences is truly is a wonder of its own, and i personally think that posting a comment such as yours that has an underlying negative and disrespectful tone gets us nowhere. some other comments that i read had an inverse perspective on this matter, and i think it was formulated perfectly. not everyone plays or enjoys minecraft the same way, and that’s a-okay again, this is definitely not a pointless video, but one that perhaps might’ve reached the wrong target audience

[@rainycake]

@@Harpnar "he’s attempting to resolve that said issue for individuals like me who experience it whilst playing" Let me resolve it for you way quicker. Don't use mods. Done, no need to thank me. There is nothing to resolve here. If you don't enjoy messing with the mods, don't mess with the mods. How is that so difficult?

[@bjorn0411582]

hey! This is a really good video! I really quite enjoy how the series mixes interesting conversations, with the "lets play" going on in the background. I feel like there could maybe be a *little* more talk about the current gameplay, what your goals are, how youre achieving them, if anything interesting happened in the process, etc. But I do like that its secondary to the greater discussion around your thoughts on the game, youve got a good voice with a good mic, its quite natural and down to earth, but not too monotone, if I wanted to nitpic, could maybe try to have just a tiny bit more energy and life? keep it chill, but maybe a little more awake. Hope my feedback feels useful ^^ Beyond this point, im gonna ramble quite a bit! about my own feelings about the game, aswell as give a suggestion later on, if youre willing to read my rambles ^^ I've been playing Minecraft quite actively since the early-mid alpha days, some indev/infdev too. I also still remember the strange community gamemodes made on the "classic" web version of the game, like the one where a lava block gets put at the top of the world, which would spread accross the map and slowly eat through blocks, last one alive wins! But for quite some time now, I too have struggled with the now infamous "2 week minecraft phase" where I can play for some time, but can never motivate myself to get far. I think theres a myriad of reasons why. For one, its a completely frictionless experience, I never at any point feel challenged, the game never tells me no, the game never tells me maybe, Minecraft is a yes man. If I want diamond armor, not only is it a garuantee that ill get it, but ill get it quickly, too. Within an hour of casual play I can have a full assortment of diamond tools, another hour or two full diamond armor. Theres also an element of... bloat? this is quite debatable, more features for a game like minecraft is generally a good thing, but even this video points out that mods can often detract from the experience, and we need to de-scope to simplify the experience. I think that comes from a sort of choice paralysis, by the time you have stone tools the entire world is open to you, now what the hell are you gonna do with it? give a player a billion options, and ask them which theyre gonna go with, and theyre gonna have no bloody clue. The reduced difficulty over time (old minecraft was never HARD, and to some degree it is our own increased skill too, but there is definitely a trend towards making the game easier today) also removes incentives to push yourself. Beds was a nuclear bomb on the difficulty, night was the reason you used to build a base, which you would expand so you felt safer, and had more "comfort" against the world beyond. Now you dont even need the iconic dirt hut, just go to a village, steal a bed, and then youre safe on the surface for the rest of time. There are mods that can help with these, but, before I double the rant so far, lets just leave it at "its not quite so easy a problem to fix, many of these issues are quite fundamental and no mod is gonna feature a "whollistic" revamp that fixes all of the fundamental issues" What have I done then, to get my fix? To be honest, I dont play minecraft much anymore, I still love the game, and watching others play it is still fun, the yogscast is still wonderful, and theres a series run by modders that mix roleplay with making their own mods for their series, its run by a guy called R4T, look it up! But, if you glanced at my screen, youd think I was playing some kind of modded minecraft right now! Though in reality, its a completely different game, called "Vintage Story". (which I will now write out as "VS") What is VS? It started out as a mod by a former Hytale developer, for minecraft, but he found the engine limited in ways that would make it near impossible to see his own vision to the end, so he started fresh, from scratch, with what at first was largely a minecraft clone, but today is a sprawling, well tuned game that provides a experience far different from minecraft. It is, for a start, much harder! But not in the ways mods tend to be for minecraft, nor is it just "monsters hit harder" lmao, no, this game asks more out of you, inventory is gained by inventory items, at first you have just your hotbar, and you make baskets, pelt satchels, linen bags, then leather backpacks, to increase your inventory. Beds in this game are finally no longer a nuclear blast on the games difficulty, they do indeed let you skip several ingame hours, but they come at a cost of your food continuing to tick down in your sleep. And especially early game, food is SCARCE, and you dont want to skip on the opportunity for progress! So, in the days you run outside to collect materials and resources, then at night, you huddle in your primitive, stone age hut, to process those materials into useful tools and items. You turn rocks into tool heads, which with sticks become stone age tools, now you can start cutting trees, get firewood, make a campfire, make some stone spears, throw them at animals, kill them, cook the food over the fire, and thatll last you for a while, berries can fill in any hunting gaps, then you mold (and this is done dynamically, not via crafting grid) some pottery, urns for storage, a cooking pot, crocs, a crucible, which you then have to fire, so they solidify, which is not as simple as putting it in a furnace! You create a pit kiln, put your pottery in a hole, fill it with grass, then sticks, then wood, light it on fire, and come back in ~24 hours, and now you have the actual useable pottery! On the surface you can find copper nuggets, just laying on the floor, long story short turn wood into charcoal so you can melt the copper, put the copper into a crucible to melt it, pour the molten copper into a pickaxe mold, and congratulations! Youre several hours into the game, having played as a caveman, and have ONLY NOW gained the ability to manipulate stone! XD Time to up the copper production by mining copper ore, make an anvil, with the anvil make a saw, and now you can make planks! From there the game begins to open up a lot more. This may at first, sound hellishly complicated, I am one that doesnt particularly love complex and challenging games, I like Minecrafts chill vibe, and ill readily admit that VS isnt for everyone! But if youve been feeling the "2 week minecraft phase" like so many others, then as many people can vouch, VS may very well be the game for you, what struck me, once I had made my first, "real" house in the game, is that god damn, ive truly come a long way, ive built what in minecraft could be had in just a few ingame days, but in vintage, it is a god damn journey and god damn does it feel satisfying, looking upon my beautiful medieval house I see progress like never before, and it gives just, such satisfaction. And the environment is something you learn to respect, nature is powerful, and youre small in comparison to it, but it is also beautiful, and bountiful. Genuinely, its quite the experience, worth playing.

[@MalcolmKeithGaming]

Thank you for the feedback! I totally agree that I should acknowledge the gameplay a bit more. I originally did live commentary during the trial chamber but ended up cutting that out completely. I think I saw a video of someone playing VS. It took the guy forever to do basically anything lol. I did try RLCraft, which probably isn't a great comparison, and I wasn't a big fan of it. RLCraft isn't necessarily "challenging" as it is just plain annoying. I'm sure VS gives you a fun challenge that a game is supposed to, but I still don't think it'd be the game for me. I really like the creative aspect of Minecraft, which I think is why I've never stuck with a single survival world for very long. I'd have these grand ideas that I'd almost fully build out in a creative test world but then quit the survival world after building just a fraction of my idea. That's why I think I wouldn't like VS, at least for the creative aspect, it'd take me too long to even start building what I imagined. Recently, Minecraft has really focused on the creative aspect of the game with tons of new blocks. The truth is, I don't think Minecraft was ever meant to be a traditional survival game, it was always meant to be a sandbox. Survival mode was an addition added later. The selling point to me for Minecraft was that it was digital legos. Never would I have to buy a lego set again, I had an infinite amount of pieces to put together. Hmm, I might talk about that in a future video...

[@bjorn0411582]

@@MalcolmKeithGaming on the VS and RL comparison, yeah no its not AT ALL the same, as you indeed surmised. I've tried RLCraft too, hated it. Just felt like content bait for the "pro minecraft youtubers" to make videos for, or for Streamers to try, fail a couple times for laughs, and then call it a day. Its not hard in a way that feels fair, its "oops absurdly high level mob just spawned! You literally cannot escape your fate now! have fun dying!" lol. VS, does not *at all* do this, its entirely fair, and once you get good at it, not at all THAT hard. it can be pretty chill. Like, some people will talk like VS is somehow this hardcore ultra difficult survival game that will cruely torture you, its really not. Their tagline of "uncompromising" whilst being accurate, isnt as bad as it sounds On the "grand ideas that I'd almost fully build out in a creative test world but then quit the survival world after building just a fraction" note. youre literally me rn XD. now a days I mostly play minecraft in creative mode because I know ill get bored way too fast in survival, I just wanna build the cool shit! I love making castles especially, heavy fortresses with big walls, sitting atop an imposing mountain. So like, im fully with ya there. Frankly when I first played it, I was apprehensive, the only thing that pulled me in was the aesthetic, I love the rustic texture pack of Conquest for Minecraft, and VS has such a similar vibe and visual style. Plus some of its realism looked really nice aesthetically too. Animations, models, and the ways that that guides your interactions in the world. Beyond that? I like Minecrafts chill, easy gameplay, and Vintage Story's "Uncompromising wilderness survival" did not seem up my alley at ALL. But then I gave it a shot, and frankly? at first it was my apprehensions realised. It was harder, more complicated, frustrating, didnt feel right. But then I kept playing, and I progressed bit by bit, the world was harsh, surviving was harsh, but I managed, and I grew stronger and more capable. I learned tactics, same as I did decades ago for Minecraft. Once I had built my house, with its little balcony looking out at the sea, I stood there and felt that that house and its balcony was, to some degree, more impressive than 90% of castles I've built. I fought against mother nature and I motherfucking beat it lmao. And that was just, so immensely satisfying! You may be completely right that its not for you, I thought the same and turned out wrong, but it doesnt AT ALL mean you will be wrong too. But if you can find... an opportunity, maybe borrow it from a friend, or borrow from the high seas, just to TRY it, like a lil demo, and see if you like it, then take that opportunity! If you cant find such an opportunity, and dont want to rely on their refund policy (which is better than steams, thats for sure! ^^) then fair enough. I know I might come off as a little pushy, I'm autistic so my words doesnt come from "ohh but I really want him to play it so lets say whatever he needs to hear" its moreso "well it feels like there is a missunderstanding where he has the wrong image of the game" and my brain struggles to handle when respectable, well meaning people have the wrong idea, or wrong info. I do also want to see more people make content on the game, so if it DOES convince you, then hey thats a plus! But the main goal with this reply is just to let you know that yeah no, its not like RLCraft at ALL, and though it doesnt look like your thing, it didnt for me either! I also start rambling in excessive detail when I get anxious, especially when I get anxious about people potentially missunderstanding what im trying to say XD So I'll stop it there haha

[@MalcolmKeithGaming]

@bjorn0411582 OK, I'll have to give it a try then. I'll definitely make a video about it too. At least one video would already be worth the purchase.

[@slyfoxblox]

I am definitely in this boat. I just keep adding on more shit, and every time a new update comes out, I just don't even play it until my mods have been updated. Although, I try not to use anything that ruins the experience of the game so I tend not to use map mods at all. Sometimes I use Xaero's World Map so I can download the png of my world because that's pretty fun but that's the extent of my use of that stuff. Still, mods are mods and the game inherently feels different with them and I definitely want to cut down on the amount. My client side modpack is currently containing a depressingly high 60+ mods. I like the mods, but it is definitely a chore tweak all of the configs and download them all every time a new version releases. I would just get rid of them completely, but with 2 monitors, not having at least a borderless windowed mod is painful.

[@themadnes5413]

i only use qol mods, like teweakeroo and minihud. Nothing that changes vanilla. And i play minecraft since alpha.

[@Pat12379]

Building a village is such a cool idea

[@TonyTek17]

Almost 10 minute yap sesh of some dude, saying he stopped playing modded lmao

[@kairu_b]

Nice

[@lolkek6807]

Nostalgia Squared. Do with this information what you will.

[@Pat12379]

I saw a video of someone who added so much vinaila plus mods that it didn't even look like nornak Minecraft there was termites and you couldn't craft the tools straight it hade ti be at an angle

[@Netvvork118]

I love this man

[@jakubpluhar4914]

Kinda seems pointless. Mods make it less enjoyable for you? Don't use mods then, you have free will.

[@SimplyTheRedMelon]

Its not really more or less something to be offended over i think hes talking about mod users as a community your totally right about the free will part but your not really seeing the bigger picture

[@jakubpluhar4914]

@@SimplyTheRedMelon Oh it's fine, I'm not offended in particular. Honestly I didn't watch the video at all really. But that's just my solution

[@themeatpot6082]

this is SO real

[@ryanodriscoll8819]

i think u should have a lot more subs bro great vid and editing keep it up

[@user-zz7zh7yv3t]

If I wanna play with mods I just play on 1.7.10

[@V972]

weird take

[@user-zz7zh7yv3t]

@V972 Nah

[@darkshadow99-ny2ct]

based

[@justrad7637]

why do u use old textures bro it looks so ass

[@ryanodriscoll8819]

everyone has their own ways of playing the game bro calm down buddy its only a texture pack lol

[@TheBMGGaming4182]

Nuh uh