How much does evolution impact a solo run?

[@blockchords5197]

You didn't have the "Use old type chart" button ticked on that attack type coverage thing... Dragon hits Togekiss for neutral damage before gen 6. So you'd really only not be able to hit Skarmory for neutral damage with only ground and dragon attacking moves. And levitating Bronzongs/Bronzors

[@Dpmt]

I was hoping to see a comment pointing this out. People ran Fire Fang, or even Flamethrower or Fire Blast to achieve that perfect coverage in Gens 4 and 5. Rock moves aren’t very useful against Bronzong.

[@brianwisecarver4880]

I was literally just googling to check, because I've called Scott out incorrectly on things that change by generation before 😂😂

[@danpitzer765]

Now I'm just picturing a Gible swinging a Sandslash at things, with that poor thing screaming in terror.

[@grantstratton2239]

I mean... Pokémon is already a game about getting animals to fight each other for fun and profit. Literally using one as a weapon just seems like the same thing but with fewer steps.

[@chess]

In order to maximize fairness surrounding experience gained by doing playthroughs, re: @9:15, you should simply do one button input for all 493 Pokemon at a time. then continue every run one input at a time until they have all finished the game.

[@tsawy6]

Oh lmao its u

[@7thAce]

All Scott would need is one Stockmagikarp for that. I'm sure it's up to the task.

[@AlexanderJamesWhite]

Chess watching pokemon!?! My worlds collide

[@madmatt1763]

18:20 only relevant for gen 6 onwards for Togekiss Also be careful because that calculator doesn't account for Levitate for Pokemon like Bronzor/Bronzong which seem to always have it on opponents' teams.

[@crazychristopher1989]

Togekiss is a Flying type and thus still immune to Ground.

[@sulemonhd2890]

@@crazychristopher1989 but not to Ground and Dragon wich is the point he is making

[@AdamEspersona]

On today’s Solo Challenge: Scott jumps the shark. The LAND shark, that is.

[@DwunD016]

The run I have been waiting for since you started this series. I made it to 40:54. And no Scott, YOU'RE INCREDIBLE!

[@DigiRangerScott]

Realizing your attempt to cut down the videos you produce in order to hit every Pokémon might have backfired: The Video

[@poweruppikawho9007]

I prefer runs where the pokemon don't evolve. It gives a more complete look at each game, it lets fully evolve pokemon clock in with times unimpeded by their lower stages, and it can lead to coming up with interesting solutions for completing the game with lower stage pokemon that can change the way you approach playing the game overall. We saw something like this when Scott ran the baby pokemon in pokemon Crystal, discovering movepools can make or break a pokemon in gen 2 much more than stats can. There are also some lesser reasons why I prefer the non-evolving styel, but I think these three points are the most relevant.

[@tsawy6]

Mm likewise, but i get that platinum with /every/ mon is gonna be kinda a long journey

[@tb12161991]

Ooooooohhhhhhhh the idea of this video is so AWESOME!!!! Thanks Scott, you always make my birthday so much better.

[@perkypenguin1663]

On the sixteenth day of Christmas, Scott’s Thoughts gave to me… Sixteen evolution tests, Fifteen Kanto kaiju, Fourteen starter redos, Thirteen rare Normal girls, Twelve bear v bull fights, Eleven Gen 1 backports, Ten pounds per pink puff, Nine resists when evolved, Eight Belly Drum badges, Seven years with Psywave, Six slow squad solos, Five mid starter flings! Four Eevee runs, Three years post redo, Two Grass/Ice types, And a Hitmontop in Gen 3!

[@cityhunter5412]

And a partridge in a pear tree

[@SinnerChrono]

Garchomp is one of those mean scary looking dog breeds that cant go to bed without wearing a cute onesie and its favorite stuffed animal

[@Duothimir]

I feel I've said it before, but the reason Buneary starts with 0 friendship is because rabbits are notoriously difficult to gain their trust. They're skittish little primadonnas.

[@angelotirado3542]

I like this approach. Daily December is the perfect time to explore this

[@henry5274]

I fucking love december so much more because of daily december. I usually watch all videos immediately but during daily December, I like saving up a few and watching them while I work. I completely understand if it isnt sustainable in the future since you put so much work into it but I really do love it while the work is manageable

[@cookiesversuscream]

I actually like that you played the entire game as garchomp second, despite it going against your convention. The opportunity to at least somewhat optimize the full-garchomp run means its time more accurately reflects its true capabilities, which I'd argue makes for a more insightful comparison in determining the extent to which starting fully evolved affects a run. It reduces the impact of player error, and I think minimizing confounding factors is especially important for an initial comparison like this.

[@FrostGhidorahEX]

I think the idea of Garchomp being the friendliest is just adorable It's like how sharks in real life aren't bloodthirsty creatures They're just fishes vibing in the ocean and they investigate by biting Garchomp is just a landshark who wants a hug but his rough skin makes it tough But if Cynthia can love it without worry anyone can Hug your Garchomp folks Tell him you love him

[@llSuperSnivyll]

PSA: First check if he has Rough Skin

[@Minzerr]

I feel like the garchomp line having high friendship just indicates that they're more loyal than any other pseudo legend.

[@drnyk1]

A step ahead of me. Or darn, I am 2 years behind schedule getting into this project. My stance, run lines. Thanks for uploading, happy to watch it!

[@chapolinm_]

Hydreigon is a 3 headed menace known for being extremely violent Scott! ahahahhaa

[@llSuperSnivyll]

Until you play Mystery Dungeon Gates to Infinity.

[@tobarf2940]

Incredible video. I believe that doing pokenon fully evolved from the beginning rather than evolution runs make much more of a difference for stone evolution and especially pokemon from Gens 1 and two. After that fully evolved pokemon have much more fleshed out move pools. Sub 2 hour was hype to see. Stay awesome Scott

[@Gungho73]

I love you Scott, even if I'm too busy to comment and only listen to these in the background. I hope your holidays will and are going well.

[@baconlabs]

"Wutchu talkin' 'bout, who love me?" "The guy in here, man. And the guy in HERE. The Guy-ble." "That says 'The Gibble'."

[@plop2186]

Didn't watch yet (1minute, the explanation) and thats what I understood from the title. I know you have so much to do to complete, but I am hyped by this new concept. It doesn't mean that you need to ALWAYS compare, but I just like the THINKING, this little question asked before to start, out of the box

[@BetzalelGanot]

18:28 This is a bit confusing. Your dragon ground moves give you neutral coverage against everything except Skarmory. The tool you're using has Togekiss as "no effect" because it's a fairy type in gen 6 and beyond. In this run, you didn't need a rock move for the neutral coverage. But it helps for super effective coverage.

[@Bnoopy]

Neutral coverage before abilities. Dragon/Ground doesn't hit Bronzong neutrally for example

[@BetzalelGanot]

@@Bnoopy True, but flying and rock don't help for Bronzong either. I guess you would have to add a fire or fighting move for truly neutral coverage against everything.

[@llSuperSnivyll]

@@BetzalelGanot Get the Heart Scale in the Oreburgh City heaps, then relearn Fire Fang.

[@pol7225]

Why every other video there's an instance where I clearly see Scott giggling while script reading and having to check the somehow suggestive wording describing the effects of insufficient PP?!? 😂😂

[@CallMeNoa]

This is a really interesting idea for a solo run that I don't think I've seen before.

[@Jar-Bar12]

Practicing Dad jokes. Was that foreshadowing?!

[@ScottsThoughtsPokemon]

Haha not yet

[@TenrouFang]

Curious about Dragon rage and focus sash interaction. If a Bidoof has 40hp and is holding a focus sash, will dragon rage kill? Does it bypass the sash since it always does 40 damage, or will the sash save Bidoof as normal?

[@ScottsThoughtsPokemon]

Looked it up. Focus Sash will prevent the KO.

[@roberthiland7824]

19:24 he forgets about levitate Bronzong. Never forget levitate Bronzong.

[@TheMoogleKing93]

I have a completely rational and justified hatred for Garchomp's back sprite. It's so incredibly mediocre.

[@pocketfish22]

Gible's low evolution level was the saving grace of my monotype dragon run of Drayano's Sacred Gold. Gabite allowed me to beat Whitneys gym while only going 2 levels above the level cap and set the stage for the absolute stomp of the post-Whitney game.

[@Zorafin]

I love how lobsided Gabite's stats are, along with the stats that it gains during evolutions. All three forms feel different from each other, and give you what you were craving during the last evolution. Even so, Gabite doesn't feel lacking for only having physical attack. It hits hard so you don't mind its worse stats, until you start fighting higher evolutions.

[@DarkMario9000]

Starting to get flashbacks to last year when Scott started to mention Platinum a lot and on the 24th we got the first Platinum run, this time it's with Heart Gold, good chances in a week and a half we will get Gen 2 remakes but would feel pretty early to start another project

[@vincentsterel6448]

Scott, I think you should relying on aerial ace so much, it's quite a weak move and it seems you get seduced into the trap of it not being able to miss instead of using much more powerful moves like dragon claw or earthquake. That said, this was a very interesting comparison video! Would be interesting to see how low Garchomp's time can go with better rare candy/item usage, an adamant nature, etc.

[@shreeble7113]

One interesting part of Platinum is that while Earthquake and Return are amazing moves that are available very early and Substitute can be found before Fantina it means that teaching all of these moves leaves only one move to damage her levitating ghosts. So holding back on teaching Return and/or EQ until you beat Fantina should be a consideration

[@Lightborn1311]

I had to catch myself from going "What, no Professor Oak battle again?" because . . . you know, not Gen 1.

[@Tarkduckleduck]

There's a reason he was the first ever banned pokemon which didn't have shadow tag Garchomp is just THAT guy... well, landshark I theorize a time under 1:40:00 is COMPLETELY possible, as long as player error is taken out of the picture. But it goes to show that even without being fully evolved from the start, he still competes with the legends

[@TheShinyFeraligatr]

If older gen metagame development had been at the point of Gen 4 in generations before 4, Snorlax and Zapdos would have been banned in Gen 2 easily. Snorlax is straight up the best Pokemon in the game, like, overall, Mewtwo is number 2.

[@Tarkduckleduck]

@TheShinyFeraligatr Yeah, undoubtedly Did it happen? Nope. So Garchomp still has the crown

[@TheShinyFeraligatr]

Sadly, Scott, going to have to confirm something for you - Skuntank, from all my using it in Diamond, is an inherently frustrating Pokemon. It has the same amazing type as Drapion, but its stats are poor and its movepool is extremely special leaning while its stats aren't. It's not the worst Pokemon ever and its version exclusive counterpart (Purugly) is irredeemably garbage even by comparison, but don't expect a lot out of it.

[@PROG_1611]

Nice! I asked for this playthrough yesterday! Hope for a Mamoswine in the near future! I wanna see how you're going to handle the goat!

[@kbowman772]

Togekiss didn't resist Dragon in gen IV. That was the type chart as of gen VI.

[@Apfeljunge666]

cant believe the rival used a version of the FEAR strat on you, thats hilarious.

[@TheLukeskywalker2]

What does the text say at 23:28? It's behind the sprites. But I love this format (ie fully evolved vs evolution line)

[@TheLukeskywalker2]

Also, change Surge tier to Volkner tier for gen 4.

[@BlackEscanor]

Let's go for my prediciton Moveset Earthquake Crunch Swords Dance Dragon Claw Tier : B

[@TheMoogleKing93]

Garchomp wrecked this game so fast I swear the gym leader music was restarting every 10 seconds

[@riccardomosena4162]

Before watching the run, I'd say it depends on which game you are playing. Like, in gen 1, starting with a stone evolution is horrible, but starting from base form and waiting for good moves changes rhings drastically. So the learnset changes things, also some typing changes (like, starting as a monotype and getting a second one, or completely change one of the 2 typings (like pupitar-tyranitar) may change some interactions

[@adventureoflinkmk2]

10:03 perfect run ends here for Gibble evolving run (34:23 for the straight Garchomp run), F in the chat Press F to pay respects

[@puffypuff3144]

I personally prefer the runs with evolutions because I'd consider the point of evolution for a Pokemon reflects its intended design as strongly as movepool, growth rate and base stats. Pokemon that are meant to be encountered later tend to have higher base stats at their final stage, but also higher evolution levels. And a game shortsightedly holding off an evolution method for later (eg Hoenn Water Stone) creates problems for Pokemon the same way that good TM coverage being held off does. Giving advantage to unevolving Pokemon is also fair game, as many of them are clearly not intended to be had at the start of the game and that would naturally reflect in their early game performance. It also shaves off like half of the potential runs, which matters compoundingly more the further into the series you go. Theoretically, if a game had every Pokemon that currently existed, doing entire evolutionary lines would be the difference between doing 1025 runs and ~570ish.

[@MrMovees87]

I can’t wait for you to start playing HeartGold on the channel!

[@ScottsThoughtsPokemon]

;)

[@llSuperSnivyll]

The dirty-named shark did live up to its name in the endgame. Arceus is going to be a very bizarre video. Sure, Extremekiller is going to be stupidly dominating at the end but it has a very unorthodox beginning where you have to use Punishment and Natural Gift as your initial attacking moves. I'd like to see you squeeze some use for Natural Gift as it's a one-use pick-your-Hidden Power.

[@dvillines26]

wtf is Arceus' Platinum moveset even??? I'm looking at it, and I think Scott is also going to be perplexed. Not mad, per se, it has what it needs to do fine. Punishment is base 60 if the target hasn't boosted btw, but it's 5PP. however Return is obtained super early, and it's better to just slap it on Arceus immediately. the main issue is what moves to use at any particular point, but I think even bothering to go into the menu and use TMs is generally going to be a waste of time when Arceus is so strong, Return is STAB and will only continue to get stronger as the game goes on. Punishment will clear Fantina with no problems, no need to even teach Substitute. Earth Power should be on the set for Maylene's Lucario. Swords Dance may or may not be necessary but managing money to save for it seems like it could be a waste of time unless Intimidate is too concerning.

[@llSuperSnivyll]

@@dvillines26 You don't need Punishment either, just Gravity and Earth Power. Granted, that will make Hypnosis more accurate and risk losing more time...

[@Kryzersteif]

Just finally got a shiny Garchomp yesterday in Violet. Can’t wait to see how these runs go

[@N12015]

As some people said, this is one of the few times a pseudo legendary is good during the main game, if not the only one. That's due to dragon rage so Gible doesn't suffer due to being a Gible, while Gabite is gotten at level 24, getting a good stat distribution just when dragon rage stops carrying.

[@noukan42]

The game corner dratini in GSC has dragon rage

[@commaluigi]

I'm calling it right now, we're gonna see Heartgold towards the end of Daily December

[@damnbro12345-x]

Are you gonna start doing round 2 for platinum at any point?

[@facoulac]

On the sixteenth day of December, Scott's Thoughts gave to me: The Land shark that overshadows Flygon Godzilla destroyed by a punch The best starter trio Three motherly pokemon The Giants of Gen One A deer and a giraffe The two pink blob matchup The Anubis dog herself A big cuddly boy in Kanto Two Airlane Dragon Pokemon Three Bulky Normal Types The Gen I Middle Stages An OP Eevee in Yellow An OP Pikachu in Yellow A slow level up group ice tree And the slowest hitmon brother

[@kulrigalestout]

5:00 Gen 4 does test rolls for damage before move selection, right? If so, that means Onyx' Attack stat is so bad that even with STAB Rock Throw could not deal 6 damage to Gibble. They really did the rock snake dirty.

[@t.o.g.thatoneguy5130]

I like videos that don't have evolution, it makes a lot of interesting results like poliwag.

[@WillowEpp]

So it kinda sounds like Garchomp could just use candies to bring it back to parity with the evolved version (and maintain its lead) at any point.

[@bobosmith101]

Oh, happy to see this. I'm very curious what Pokémon would be better through evolving vs. just evolving throughout. Perhaps some stone evolutions? You know, get the moves/get them early, then evolve when you need?

[@Nazberrypie]

Yeaaah, Garchomp is stupid good. One of the best pokemon of gen 4. Barely debatable in my opinion. It would have struggled a bit more in Diamond and Pearl because Earthquake is acquired much later in the game. I also can't help but notice the way stats are displayed.. Just gorgeous.. I do have one nitpick really, and that would be the Held item. If somehow the item sprite could be shown next to the name, it'd be amazing. I say that because it took me a second to understand how Gible moved first against Cranidos, when you specifically said that Cranidos was faster. But maybe that's just me. I again emphasize on just how good the "format" as a whole is. Something rather rare for Pokemon videos, which is surprising considering how useful those infos are.

[@ConservativeSatanist666]

After playing Pokemon Red and Blue while using evolved.. I've played both normal and with fully evolved Pokemon at level 7 using the new flight glitch. There are some differences I've noticed. First obviously there are some stat boosts that are given to the already evolved Pokemon. Secondly, in most cases the moves are learned earlier by pre evolved Pokemon. Obviously the last bit would be TMS and HMS that can be learned. Some pre evolved Pokemon can't learn stuff like hyper beam.

[@jordanalexander615]

Ultra sun and ultra moon feels like an insanely long game that punishes you for not training.

[@nelsondaily]

Arceus is gonna be funny, since it only starts with S-Toss, Cosmic Power, Natural Gift and Punishment (which only has 5 PP) xD

[@zaakutv862]

I’m just glad I’m not the only one who struggles with the stupid corner in wayward cave before EQ😅

[@Nixoth]

Very interesting comparison video

[@tysonpestner]

You’re the man, Scott

[@Blulo62380]

I'm waiting for a Electivire vs Magmortar video 🤩

[@mateushevski408]

Togekiss is normal type, not fairy, so dragon claw should be neutral, you should tick the old type effectiveness in the type coverage simulator :)

[@Mwarrior1991]

i actually didn't know that the evolution playthroughs were meant to be the official rankings. i assumed it was just a casual way to learn the game at first and Pokemon would be reranked later without a massive handicap.

[@isaacwright1275]

Hey yo i appear as shellder in the credits now ! (formely gloom). Awesome video man been loving the daily december. Sooooo we betting HGSS Content next year :) ???

[@UtubeWatchu]

The Bronzor/Bronzong being a major annoyance to you makes me wonder how much you would appreciate a Mold Breaker Pokemon. Though now that I think about it, the Mold Breaker extra text would actually add up to a ton of time...

[@salamense6791]

18:24 fairy type not in gen 4 (only Bronzong-line in Sinnoh Pokedex) also there is a reason why Garchomp was the first non legendary Pokemon to be banned to ubers without shadow tag

[@BoneWalker]

To answer the question: Magikarp.

[@nightfan1983]

Yay for the friendly, albeit not cuddly, flying landshark ❤

[@goldkobold6496]

I can’t remember but does platinum have the same weird feature where all trainers use random moves or is that changed from diamond and pearl?

[@thedancingguy828]

6:30 now i know the reason for all the Cynthia art with Garchomp 😅

[@Blost]

21:55 F. E. A. R. Staravia is wild lmao

[@LeavingNight]

I think Garchomp would have been much better served with Crunch or Fire Fang in the place of Aerial Ace. The only pokemon that takes more damage from Aerial Ace than Earthquake or Dragon Claw is Heracross, and by the time they start appearing you've already got Swords Dance. (Also Crunch deals consistent neutral damage to the Bronzors/zongs)

[@adambenson4204]

~18:25 you can hit togekiss neutrally with dragon moves in gen 4

[@bababooeyjenks8771]

i think this line in particular in this game have a bias, since gible still gets dragon rage at level 7 and then still gets earthquake post gym 2. Those two significantly reduce early.mid game time for the first two stages imo, and since platinum has so many rare candies available getting to garchomp when gabite starts to fall off isnt as difficult as itd be in gens 2/3.

[@dvillines26]

Gible is not as bad as you'd think because early Dragon Rage is busted. which makes the Garchomp line the only really good pseudo for a casual playthrough of its native game. Dragonite line, no, Salamence line TOO LATE but I guess you can use it for E4 & Champion, Hydreigon evolves post-game, Goodra just isn't that good, Jangmo-o comes quite late, Dreepy is hard to obtain and useless until it evolves and the final evolution is quite late, and I guess Baxcalibur is pretty solid but not as stat optimized or as good in terms of typing. in Platinum in particular with early Earthquake access, it's almost hard NOT to run Garchomp.

[@Skipatronic]

Is HeartGold the new game this year?

[@TheLukeskywalker2]

Probably.

[@stevenmcqueen7433]

petition to change the bruno and surge tiers to falkner and flint for platinum lol

[@marc-gp4dl]

Uuuh Gible learns Sandslash, nice :D

[@mmpsp693]

Great vid Scott!

[@michaelquinones3572]

Scotts working on his dad jokes? Is he trying to say something??

[@funkydirk3797]

So gotta ask, since you made sure to point out the dad joke, trying to let us know about a new evolution?

[@doba27]

Hey scott, love your daily decembers ❤ Can you really flinch an opponent when you have the same speed? Didn't know before 😮

[@timmypickavance4758]

I think the only reason the evolution line was only slower because of the dragon rage mess up

[@auraton5519]

Ive always wondered why you dont use there hidden abilities?

[@ScottsThoughtsPokemon]

Hidden Abilities were introduced in Gen5 bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Hidden_Ability

[@daman8492]

6:30 Silly. Dragapult. I am offended. I love Dragapult. I think it's one of the cooler dragon Pokemon.

[@MrSharkings]

23:27 you put a bunch of pokemon images above some text so we can't read it

[@aaronpodskoc5970]

Sorry Scott's Thoughts, my ability is inner focus, so you did chip damage.

[@christianbolner3609]

Did my first hardcore nuzlocke of this game and lost sooo many to critical hits

[@henry5274]

Omfg, not you basically getting FEAR’d by an NPC

[@N12015]

26:03 That's the second fastest. The fastest one is Lucian's Alakazam with 156.

[@calebjohnson9740]

Your Speed stat being where it is on the overlay feels weird, it seems like it should be on the bottom right. It's especially confusing because it doesn't align with the ordering of the opponent's stats

[@ReyaktheHunter]

He specifically does it so that Attack/Defense and Special Attack/Defense are next to each other, which makes quickly eyeballing which move might be better easier

[@calebjohnson9740]

​@@ReyaktheHunterah that does make sense, I'm sure I'll get used to it

[@kpi0018]

Rip double battle mucnhlax, bro got hit with the stray

[@Rebelsk8s]

I love the puns in this episode :D

[@Cackey]

Hello everyone, just to let y'all know that you are awesome

[@Reluxthelegend]

18:28 you forgot that fairy didn't exist yet