I can't believe it took 4 years to catch this, but I meant $30/1k words. Not 10k. I'm actually pretty sure I added an annotation clarifying this, but it's been since removed for whatever reason and I don't review old videos if I don't have to.
@TypetwoAbsolute4 жыл бұрын
Be realistic with what time you have and skills you possess. No artist skills? Make a blind protagonist. No musical skills? Deaf protagonist. No programming skills? Use Renpy. Dumb/Lazy? Use Twine. All three and unmotivated? Write a novel. No time? Sleep an hour less and create an hour per day. Depressed? Write one word per day and just beat your record each day. The world is filled to the brim with broken promises and unfilled dreams. If you want to do it, then get it done!
@declanroberts89344 жыл бұрын
I'm ignoring the last part but I like this strategy.
@B_Site4 жыл бұрын
i feel hurt by the renpy statement
@twoa.m39254 жыл бұрын
@@B_Site same lmaoo
@derivaluestudiosllc86564 жыл бұрын
Thank-you!
@broccolinyu9114 жыл бұрын
=_= what's wrong with Twine?
@DGMachine0134 жыл бұрын
"art will be the most expensive part" me, an artist: hehehe,,,,yes,,,for the price of.... f r e e
@bso15383 жыл бұрын
LUL
@cdarklock3 жыл бұрын
I have spent an awful lot of time and money learning to draw the art for my VN and all my CGs still look like retarded frogs
@-Lola.6 жыл бұрын
Good thing I'm a music and art student with a background in computing
@aconfusedkitten30446 жыл бұрын
Bad this is you dont have time....
@vespirbelmont36505 жыл бұрын
The main issue is time. I'm good at art and programming, but only have so much time in a day. To spend days making quality art and then writing the story and then writing the code and assembling. It's going to take quite a bit longer to create. Which if you need a product within a reasonable time; is not ideal.
@sara_daria25 жыл бұрын
Weird flex but ok...
@jacebeleren17034 жыл бұрын
Ι'm the opposite , xD. A Computer Science student that also dabbles in music on the side
@vivanecrosis4 жыл бұрын
So did you make game or gave up?
@MorganZex6 жыл бұрын
It's nice to see somebody talking about how expensive such projects can be, especially when it comes to art. As an artist, it happened to me countless times to hear potential customers bitching about prices, and thinking that's just not fair to spend more than 15$ on a character. At the beginning I was kind, explaining how time consuming drawing can be... but as time passed I started getting rude. Now I'm so sick and tired that I simply answer "if you don't like my prices, go somewhere else".
@thefriendlysenpai6 жыл бұрын
Ugh, I literally cannot STAND people like that. Like. Go into literally ANY art stream and you can see that even basic lineart can take hours of work. If it were any other job, people would be up in arms about someone not getting paid at least minimum wage but apparently artists are supposed to work for scraps??? Like???? What?????
@MorganZex6 жыл бұрын
Sadly this seems to apply to everything involving creativity. Because, you know, being creative (good at drawing, composing music, don't even get me started on photography) is a gift, a talent which in no way you need to study or practice for. I mean, it's not like you've spent YEARS practicing (and spending lots of money for your studies and materials along the way) and can still be a pain in the ass sometimes. You're just good at it, it takes no effort so do you even expect me to PAY you, you greedy asshole? ...ok, I'll stop there... sorry for the rant >w
@ArtofWEZ6 жыл бұрын
It's disrespectful in my opinion to pay an artist less than double minimum wage on something they spent their whole lives learning, beginner artists I recommend charging $300 a day and professional $500 at the very least.
@Zalzany6 жыл бұрын
With art I get it I just find it funny how many free options there are as long as you don't monetize the game. Like I can't count how many game devs I seen use japanese hentai game 3d posers and defualt assets to make place holders for their "free" game on patreon. It works though as long as they do donations and not bill for the game you can do it that way then save up and commission art. Hell I seen some that got lucky did a an ass ton of work marketing and poking around found an artist who did art style the wanted that liked their game and got a discounted rate for a big fat plug. Like I know one that only makes like 400-600 a month they spend half that on new art every time they get new set they order them in 3s or 4s for each character they do a huge post showing it off before its even in game thanking the artist plugging their webpage doing publicity for that artist.
@Zalzany6 жыл бұрын
That is crap and you know it Derek I know artists who drawed for 2 years who can make artwork worthy of a visual novel in one afternoon. 300 bucks is crazy. He could do half a games characters basic poses and expressions in half a day. I prefer charging based on each peice as by teh day don't work any one who punches a clock for a living know there are times you may drag things out just to not clock out early, or get a little OT Paying by peice insures you don't just milk it you do quality work at the speed that is best for you. SO by the hour doesn't work I know some amateurs who take 3 hours to do what some gifted people I know same amount of time drawing can do in half an hour. Like I use to have the how to draw manga books and what not, and could do some decent stuff it took me 5 times as long as my pal who started doing it 2 years before just picked it up in 9th grade and by junior year was doing manga for himself just for fun.
@harrymasononvacation4 жыл бұрын
For backgrounds, take a good camera and snap some photos of locations. Take it into a cheap or free photo editor and throw some filters on it and touch up a few details.
@rapha20283 жыл бұрын
i was thinking of using roblox-
@orionkiwi.omegalul9993 жыл бұрын
or just get free stock images and just edit it.
@DevilSpider_3 жыл бұрын
@@rapha2028 I use GMod.
@Arzamol56 жыл бұрын
Been brainstorming a VN for a while now, but i'm broke. Gonna be forcing myself to become a jack of all trades, i guess. I downloaded ren'py and luckily it seems easy enough. I just need to improve my drawing and learn literally anything about music, slap some musical notes together, and pray.
@wonder777warrior66 жыл бұрын
Marcos Medina i know how u feel mate lol I’m the same.. I don’t have the money to hire... -_- but I really want to make one.. so I guess I’ll make due with most of the work.. maybe I’ll sell a thing or two to get character sprites..
@DhoaCS5 жыл бұрын
Renpy is easy af just get a free online course on coding or a book and you are good to go.For me art (besides backgrounds) isn't that difficult because I've been drawing for a year now it doesnt look the most professional but its alright.The real issue is Sounds,Music and the writting.Maybe you are really creativ person and you can think of amazing stories yourself but I'm pretty sure there are only a few people who can do own sounds and music.I gave up on a VN for my first game and me and my friends settled on a 2D game for our school project.Also Voice Actors, yikes those can get expensive.
@TheKevphil5 жыл бұрын
@@DhoaCS Wow! You've been drawing for a whole year?!? Da Vinci, move over! ;)
@mrodrodrick40066 жыл бұрын
Good thing I can draw
@psychicandice4 жыл бұрын
LOL Ann Nifödova rooooood
@riotdevil3604 жыл бұрын
Ann Nifödova and why exactly are you this salty? Did they do anything to you or did you just have a bad day?
@imherezhh40194 жыл бұрын
Nice art is fun and amazing
@laurengreen91346 жыл бұрын
Me: *wants to make a visual novel* *sees this video* Wow I’m glad I’m an artist and a musician cause dam that’s a crap ton of money.
@porky11183 жыл бұрын
I'm just a programmer :(
@Kenningar007 жыл бұрын
as an artist i can say your prices calculation are very fair!
@thefriendlysenpai7 жыл бұрын
Oh, good!
@centiven14266 жыл бұрын
I love your video! It's sad to see so many people completely oblivious to the point of this video - it's supposed to be for everybody: a writer, an artist, just someone with a vision and then there are people 'Hurr durr, you can do X yourself'
@broccolinyu9114 жыл бұрын
My passion and my strong-suits lie in the writing department. the things that scare me most are the art and audio bits, especially the former. though the prices are to be expected. Honestly, as someone who is still new into game dev, I was considering either a VN or a basic RPG for my first game. frankly, I am still uncertain where to begin.
@BounciestSky1524 жыл бұрын
Just as a nice little note in the comment section. You can get away with making a visual novel and it looking somewhat nice for the low price of zero dollars if you're ok with some small and big cuts. Audio: 📌Audacity(editing) 📌A free sfx maker on itch(SFX) 📌Mixing and mashing sfx around(Music) Images: 📌Use Blender to make a 3D scene then use blender's camera to take render an image of the area you want and then save it to your pc. You now have a background image. 📌Mannequin(Character/Sprite Creation)(Can be found on itch for free or steam for $15) 📌Visual Effects(Gimp) 📌GUI/UI(Inkscape) Engine: 📌Ren'Py Story: Write it yourself Grammerly I belive(Spelling and word checking)
@Jondob7 жыл бұрын
very informative, nice video. even though, im making a point and click adventure not a VN, it was still nice and informative, especially, since it gives a general idea on the pricing, even though, they can be different but probably, not that different. and yeah, i would totally love to see an episode about team building. good job
@Menachen_Gaming5 жыл бұрын
Thank you for posting this! I’m a manga artist and author and been wanting to create my own visual novel, all I’ll be paying is editing so it should be great!.
@elsicongru74006 жыл бұрын
You have some...unique... comments in here Thanks for the breakdown, it kinda makes things clearer for me. Have a great day m8!
@thefriendlysenpai6 жыл бұрын
I'm gonna be honest, I don't even read comments half the time. Some people are fucking weird.
@Razeacc5 жыл бұрын
@@thefriendlysenpai mood
@usoppfangirl81536 жыл бұрын
Me and my friends decided to make a visual novel, because we have all the requirements needed to make one. I'm the artist, so I can handle sprites and backgrounds. Friend 2 is extremely experienced in coding and programming, so she can handle the technical things. Friend 3 is great at writing and directing, so she'll handle the script and sound.
@toprakyildiz93476 жыл бұрын
UsoppFanGirl How is the project going?Just curious
@AngelYangeru3 жыл бұрын
Any updates?
@reiiz99423 жыл бұрын
Updates my dude. Whether its did not go well or well. Tell us
@lord.shitpost6984 жыл бұрын
Why does everyone in the comments tell us “aH i cAn Do iT mYseLF thEn”
@thefriendlysenpai4 жыл бұрын
Because they've grossly underestimated how much time it would take them to make a quality VN on their own lol
@lord.shitpost6984 жыл бұрын
The Friendly Senpai Definitely. Iv’e been working on one for 3 months now and iv’e started the profogue this week
@JochiAraujo6 жыл бұрын
It's amusing the amount of people that just missed the point of the video
@thefriendlysenpai6 жыл бұрын
It's honestly half the reason I never continued with this series >>
@mutebanshee6 жыл бұрын
Understandable, but a pity for those who would have gladly watched it. Even so, thanks for the informations provided still :)
@Dk-hh3uc4 жыл бұрын
oh my god...... 32k, my dream visual novel can never be realized..........
@bigdamnhero22975 жыл бұрын
I think you can even cut more cost in making visual novel if you have some 3D modelling skills, you could easily create and render scenes in a 3d program like blender or Maya for example, apply the 2D shader to make it look cartoonistic, use the Vroid studio to make your characters!
@felorobotoscope4 жыл бұрын
I think you can make a pretty decent VN with a significantly lower budget. You can make background images out of heavily filtered pictures, default text-blocks and icons are not really detrimental to the quality of the game, and it is fairly easy to develop a VN out of all game genres with minimal programming skills, and if you're not too bad at writing and can proof-read yourself, the only thing you'd ever have to pay for would be character design and music. And that's assuming you can't draw nor make your own music, and that you don't have any friends that could work with you. If you take a look at some of the most iconic visual novels out there, you can clearly find some that didn't cost nearly as much as your lower estimation.
@arindika13 жыл бұрын
Sure, if u want to make an ugly low quality visual novel
@prongslettable7 жыл бұрын
This was really informative (and also slightly heart attack inducing lol.) Thank you so much (Senpai) for sharing this content with other aspiring VN adventurers! :3 I look forward to seeing your other content. ^^
@Sixxpounder927 жыл бұрын
Wow. Big differences with the cost of visual novels. From what I read the average cost of a VN made in Japan is about 500.000 yen and Supipara cost over 100 million yen ( over 1 million USD !)
@thefriendlysenpai7 жыл бұрын
VNs also typically sell for significantly more in Japan, in the same ballpark as AAA games in the west :)
@Sixxpounder927 жыл бұрын
True. But do they charge 80 bucks because the market is small or is the market small because they charge 80 bucks ? :thinking:
@thefriendlysenpai7 жыл бұрын
There is a higher demand for visual novels in Japan, so they can invest more into their product and charge more for it when it launches. EVNs don't have that luxury.
@pokelover022 жыл бұрын
More like $880,000 in USD, but yeah pretty close to 1 mil
I've been working on some indie game projects for the last couple months. And as a college student I need money, so I thought a good visual novel would be relatively cheap to make over other games. After watching this, I'm really doubting it'll be as cheap as I hoped. I was expecting a $400 max on art (My game relatively has little amount of art. Most of the story happens within a few areas and has few characters) I may have to acquire the art over time. It's costing a lot less to pay for my other two projects, visual novels cost a lot to make it seems.
@zoozbuh5 жыл бұрын
........ and ALL this fails if you don't have a good, well-structured story to back everything up with. It sounds obvious but I bet a lot of people making VNs think that beautiful glossy art and a catchy soundtrack will make up for everything else. Nope. Hell, even a lot of Japanese developers rely on good art, but there's not actually a lot of substance in their VNs.
@dragishawk95646 жыл бұрын
This was a quite informative vid, and gives me some clue as to what I am going to have to shell out if I want to start developing VNs professionally -- I'm still very much an amateur at this. I am more of a writer than an artist, a musician or a programmer, but I do know how to write basic Ren'Py code. I'm still a bit new to the choice-based nature of a lot of VNs, though -- Choose Your Own Adventure is my basic frame of reference as far as that's concerned -- and doing routes like a lot of VNs like to do is something I've not had occasion to do yet.
@florabelas80216 жыл бұрын
Omg this helped me so much, i always looked for this information, thank you so much for this!
@thefriendlysenpai6 жыл бұрын
♥♥♥
@musicismypassion76865 жыл бұрын
$40,000 seems pretty reasonable for a visual novel. considering the potential profits it could make. Since we are at a global market now you would only need to sell 10,000 copies at $5 to make a profit. visual novels tend to sell on average 50,000 copies so you're likely to make 5x your initial investment if it is successful.
@musicismypassion76865 жыл бұрын
Also remember that you could always commission artists from Malaysia which will dramatically reduce the development costs. Many big studios do this. There is one particular studio called "Lemon Sky Studios" that has created artwork for many huge games such as "Mortal Kombat 11", "Uncharted" and "Starcraft"
@reiiz99423 жыл бұрын
As someone from Malaysia I never knew this studio exist 🗿. Thanks for exposure, appreciate it.
@TheKevphil5 жыл бұрын
Fascinating overview! As a comics/storyboard artist, writer/editor and journeyman Flash animator, it certainly piques my interest.
@ArtofWEZ6 жыл бұрын
Danm that's so cheap for artists If they spend 10 hours on a pic that's like less than min wage on something they spent their whole loves learning ;__; Thanks for the heads up tho I've had a lot requests from indies for BG art and they seem shocked when I charge $50 an hour when that is considered low for even an illustrator in the 1950s. Rent in my city is around 2 grand it would be impossible to survive on $200 illustrations especially with breaks between projects. With that low of money I'd rather work on my own projects, suppose it's good for new young artists that are still at home tho.
@lordbeerus33834 жыл бұрын
Drawing: check Writing: check Music: Need to learn or I'm screwed. then again I could hire someone some are affordable for simple soundtracks. Well looks like I'm going to be saving a lot of money.
@pokemongirl56742 жыл бұрын
same here
@renzenryuken55425 жыл бұрын
Wot, i can't believe it's so frkn expensive...I remember back then when i was just want to try make a VN by myself....And...It's frkn exhausted (even tho it's only 5Minutes to 30 Minutes(?) with different scenes. I mean by that, its have lot of different scene, cuz the story requires lot of place....)....So i think...Maybe....It's worth for the priceee ???
@blazearmoru6 жыл бұрын
I just found your channel. So happy, a place to learn how to start \o/
@FuryousD3 жыл бұрын
I could answer that b4 even watching the video with a simple answer of nothing, the amount of money it costs depends on how much u want to spend on it as in hiring people to do things u cannot or buying assets, but if u are proficient enough in everything needed ie art, programing, music and storytelling then u can do it all yourself for free with one of the many free visual novel programs out there
@mehkihoward17812 жыл бұрын
I'm sorta in a unique situation where I know how to write, draw and compose music, but I'm probably strongest in drawing. Regardless, I'll try making a short vn to see if I can really do this.
@colmduggan82305 жыл бұрын
this is why i use 3D over 2D i personally use Daz3d it is pretty expensive but i can create my own poses and can reuse assets in other works
@iankinnell56432 жыл бұрын
Exactly I'm a terrible artist so Daz3d is awesome plus the script can be done on renpy
@colmduggan82302 жыл бұрын
@@iankinnell5643 i use renpy but i have recently started using Visionaire studio its for adventure games it also does not require coding but you can as well i turned daz assets into 2d sprites
@angshappy34242 жыл бұрын
3 year experience I'm realism art, am associate degree on the basics of python, and experience with simple animations as well as 8-bit music. Not much, but enough
@slymoonlight5 жыл бұрын
Vey nice and informative video. Thank You! :)
@iridescent78166 жыл бұрын
Extremely interesting! I like to take the time to learn about something new every week, and this most certainly fulfilled that requirement. I'll definitely check out some of your other videos. c:
@1996AprilTheCat5 жыл бұрын
So glad I’m an artist. Out of this list the two things I would really need to hire someone for is music and coding
@Razeacc5 жыл бұрын
1996AprilTheCat hey. I'm half a burger, music. Plus, I need publicity rn, so I do it for free or I don't do it at all! I would do coding too, but I'm not confident yet. If you're really desperate, I'll try not to let you down
@Razeacc5 жыл бұрын
Here's a link to my discord if you're interested discord.gg/ChCSGu6
@val719995 жыл бұрын
fr though, thank you for this! this was super helpful
@enygmawest36525 жыл бұрын
thanks a lot for this video, advice and precises ideas about budget and cost. As i 'm trying to make a visual novel (and otherwise work as a freelance artist and game developper) i'm doing kind of a "sociological study", meaning i'm reading and asking anything to get a clearer view, knowledges about this situation on various topics (programming, drawing techniques, budget, marketing, how the other freelance succeeded and how many time did this take, by which means and works... Briefly, this kind of video helps a lot
@T3RR0R_Bunny6 жыл бұрын
If you know how to art and make music and buy visual novel maker on sale you can make one with just 20 bucks. However it takes a lot of hard work and time
@MichaelShulski4 жыл бұрын
If Miley Cyrus and Justin Bieber had a baby...
@thefriendlysenpai4 жыл бұрын
If I had a dime.
@teambrunomir5 жыл бұрын
Thanks a lot for the video, I'm in the process of making a VN and found this info really helpful (Y).. I'll check your channel later, keep it up!
@JuanchoBGL4 жыл бұрын
Gosh, this video really help me understand how much money I'll be spending. It is sad to see that there is a lot of people in this comment section that didn't understand the meaning of it and started talking bs. But I thank you for taking some of your time making this video!
@artywolve3 жыл бұрын
If I wasn't only outsourcing music, I think I would be crying after this video ^^"
@fourminutemadness44546 жыл бұрын
Thanks for sharing this information! Very concise and helpful!
@slimmy478-63 жыл бұрын
Right now how should i become an artist to 25 year old......
@jesuschrist22057 жыл бұрын
Lemme find out that Justin Bieber has a twin.
@thefriendlysenpai7 жыл бұрын
Jesus Christ I mean. You're not wrong.
@jesuschrist22057 жыл бұрын
If you were the Biebz I'd be a belieber though :P
@mukegile55926 жыл бұрын
🤣🤣🤣
@wingsilver105 жыл бұрын
Cries I just hope I’ll be able to draw good enough to make a dating sim 😂
@aasguard3 жыл бұрын
background art work takes time unless you want a load of detail i used to do the background art work for a well known gaming company
@Chris_M_Romero4 жыл бұрын
This video is gold! Now I have to join a couple of VN Discord servers. Sempai clearly went to rock'n'roll high school 🤘
@TheLoneClaw3 жыл бұрын
Honestly, art was the biggest hurdle for me when it came to making a game. Now that I've learned how to make my own art via Daz Studio, the only thing that's holding me back is how fast I can type on a keyboard. ^w^
@user-ty6we2sp2m7 жыл бұрын
Yey I can make one myself The music will suck tho ;-;
@thefriendlysenpai7 жыл бұрын
A lot of the CC music you can find on the LSF boards is actually pretty good! You should totally check them out :D
@mandygarr48586 жыл бұрын
same lol
@TheKevphil5 жыл бұрын
Two words: Kevin MacLeod
@urmanascrewed3 жыл бұрын
There is a writer I know who I think could make an awesome visual novel. I'm not a creative, but I think it would be fun to fund a project, which I'd have to save money for. 200k words is about 400 single spaced pages, which is a lot. I was hoping for a shorter story of ~6-7 hours, would that impact the price of the game?
@lordofweirdness47144 жыл бұрын
I’m pretty sure cloud novel can solve most of these problems tho it is glitchy because it run by only one person it easy and has all the stuff you need made by people for free in a public domain their are also game jams where you can chose to work with others there are also tutorials on how to use the website but of course if people want something of higher quality there are going to have to what the video tells you
@chatterbot___3 жыл бұрын
I would love to make a visual novel or something close to it, the only issue is that I don't have an anime artsyle and it would be set in England not Japan so no one would want to play it lmao
@blackbox84904 жыл бұрын
Tbh, I have lots of art, I make UI for fun, and lil sprites and everything. I am an artist. My programming skills are poor but my best friends are programmers. My other best friend is a writer and I am studying English so I have ideas for the story. That leaves the music. My ex girlfriend makes music and I did study music in secondary school. I am still not very confident about making a visual novel :( If not monetary cost, then a timely one.
@thefriendlysenpai4 жыл бұрын
It definitely takes a lot of time. We've been working on The Secrets We Keep for so long that it's since killed my passion for the game itself and I just want the project to be finished.
@koyoclubdev54036 жыл бұрын
Thank you so much for all of your helpful videos. Do you know where I would be able to find a programmer to create a simple match 3 minigame for use in a VN? I have no clue where to even begin to look lol
@thefriendlysenpai6 жыл бұрын
I would suggest looking at the programmers on the RenPy LSF :) There are lots of very talented people there.
@randombox81426 жыл бұрын
Well i thinked about creating my own visual novel because i now a bit of programming, drawing and my family knows how to play the piano. The problem is that i dunno where to start xD so ill go and watch some tutorials...
@nerovsgod2 ай бұрын
since this video is quite old, how did your journey go? are the two novels you mentioned out and did they make back the development costs?
@yenahh69544 жыл бұрын
Great Video! Now i only need to learn to Code and I'll be good to go!
@Zalzany6 жыл бұрын
There is tons of way to make your own free sounds and music. Art there is some stuff you can use for char posing that is free if you do patron and never make people to pay for the game. Its pretty basic way to do it. Like there is a million out there that just use free 3d rendering software with generic models and some even use Japanese hentai game char poses and just make only safe for work chars, or make NSFW images if they are making an adult game. Its the most basic way to get started for free assets. You can also search for royalty free music and background art, and sounds. You can find tons of these all over the net. And thanks to the miracle of Patron a big loop hole your not selling the game you are taking "donations" for your work so you can use assets licensed for free use. And then after you make money from patron you can easily afford to replace the assets as you go. I seen some use nothing but free assets make 2k a month in donations and slowly replace the art over time to help milk it. Like I follow a couple that every like 3 months it updates mostly its just image replacements including animations, and like an hour of new game content. They also do "contests" for writing seen plenty do that for number of different games if you get some followers you can do a "contest" to have people submit characters, and event chains for them to you. With the reward being you thank them in the credits and put a little fine print "Event content for this char was made by so&so12" Some of them with more assets increase submission count by offering cash rewards for contest winners or people selected plus the standard your name and full credits for that content. I mean there is a lot of ways to cheese if you can get enough backers and popularity eventually even getting people volunteering to work with you at a discounted rate. I seen a few do patron route and a talk around deviant art and what not and find some one who likes their work, and get a discount over their standard commission to get their name slapped on it. But in the end many think you can just show up to patron and make it big and pay others to do it all for you, you got work crazy hard for marketing to get the fan base to get these discounts or free work done for you, and have acceptably place holder content using available free use things like illusions char poser studio or other games poser studio features. So early on it is still a crazy huge amount of free work on your end, but if you suceed the pay out is months latter you are making a profit off donations and can start upping the quality of you game peice by peice and then more marketing it for your target audiance, and you get more backers. I seen a couple go from 83 bucks on month one to 3k a month in backers on patron, but I seen others go from 400 first month to 20 month 3 because they did a great presnetation then went to deep into the free content tricks. Like posts for suggestions of what to do next a pole is one thing but when you asking over and over again for what they want you to do, it becomes clear you kind of run out of ideas, and if no one coughs any up for you that are worth taking well every one flees and talks shit about your patron page on every spot you advertised about how you had no idea what you were doing and you expected the fans to write it for you. I saw one do that month two started writing contenst for more content plus started making more and more posts asking for suggestions. It had a decent amount of money but not many fans, just a few genours ones who got pissed real fast when they sorted out the dev was a one trick pony, and while that trick was nice it wasn't enough to complete a game at all.
@Zalzany6 жыл бұрын
Big issue also with free route is time you go into to get around making you own music when a amateur takes more tiem then some one commission same with those hgame char posers its an art to so if you suck at it could take you hours for each render to look right for your story, so in the end you could very easily spend 3 to 5 times the effort making these place holders for free mind you then a commission art is would. But some of us sadly are part timers I would love to pay 600 bucks for artwork, but that would cut into my rent and bill money or take me a few months of saving up for... I always enjoyed storry telling and always end up with dead end jobs so to me I got 5 times as hard to try my hand at this. And I am not doing patreon route way to easy to fail. I want to so bad but instead I am doing RPG maker, but I am dinking around with others like Renpy I love idea of VN but first I got get assets together to get art or get place holder art... And I got tons of assets I got forever ago when I had more hours and cash for RPG maker I never used, that saddly all licensed only for RPG maker use.
@Zalzany6 жыл бұрын
I mean if anything once I get a real thing out I may try patreon seen one guy do that did a meh, game then started a patron as it didn't sell as well as he liked did a game using all free public use stuff used the donations to finish a 2.0 revamp of his first game. It worked but in the end people loved his free game more, so he makes more off updating that now then does off his other games he has on the market. Like right now he is still using char poser packs and generic free use background images for his free game, and makes 2k a month income off it.
@ugur24444 жыл бұрын
there is free to use musics and chracters, it wont be professional enough but it stilll be your game
@dormanadrien16426 жыл бұрын
Very informative video! Maybe little out of context question but- as an artist/animator who would be interested working on vn projects- where should I begin? Could you please point out some for exp. some websites, forums? Where I should try?
@arindika13 жыл бұрын
LemmaSoft
@slimjimmy27116 жыл бұрын
Hey, I'm using game maker studio 2 to make a visual novel. I'd use renpy but i need walk around mechanics and inventory and more control over environmental sprite placement. I need to know how to go about scripting a 'engine' in gml similar to ren'py. Any advice or tutorials? I haven't found much help on designing your own visual novel 'engine'
@Sixxpounder927 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the answers so far; where do you usually find music composers for 100$/minute ?
@thefriendlysenpai7 жыл бұрын
Sixpounder The RenPy Lemmasoft forums. It's such a common rate that I'm really surprised that people are so hung up on that number. A composer I am currently working with is charging $75 for 2:30-3 minute songs.
@Sixxpounder927 жыл бұрын
Cool. Also, 500k words for Novus Inceptum; that is BIG. Would that be the biggest western visual novel?
@thefriendlysenpai7 жыл бұрын
Sixpounder I believe so. I have about 300k written so far.
@Zalzany6 жыл бұрын
Yeah music varries on quality I seen guides on how to make your own midi music and what not on RPG maker guides, its a pain but some do take advantage of it. Its like a licensed blue collar job takes practice and some are naturals, but most won't do it so you get away with charging more. Like I got bunch of assets for RPG maker for good price way less the 75 bucks for 2:30 seconds but I am licensed to use said music for RPG maker. Like I got a couple 20 bucks for some great cinmatic music must be like 30 minutes or more of music for I think was 25, but I got it on sale for 20. But you got read that fine print I can't use it for anything but RPG maker and I am looking at other engines now such as visual novels and saddly voids my license for the music assets I got.
@calicow4 жыл бұрын
I want to say I really appreciate you making this. I know you left this series behind because of shitty comments, so I hope mine is at least informative. Was $5-$10 / 1,000 words a case of misspeaking? Because that's a half-cent to a cent per word and a.) that's less than what you mentioned for editing, b.) that's an absolutely atrocious rate. You're either going to get terrible copy/paste writing, potentially from someone who doesn't speak English as a first language (it's common for people to pay Indian contractors this rate to make garbage articles that are mostly re-used content), OR you're going to be severely exploiting someone's labor. Writing and art are the two main pillars of a visual novel. While it's true good art can save bad writing, I would really hesitate to suggest anyone shirk on paying writers a fair rate for their work because quality will be reflective of the price you pay. $0.03/word is the absolute BARE minimum you should think about paying someone, and I'd honestly bump that up to $0.05/word if you want decent writing.
@thefriendlysenpai4 жыл бұрын
First,thank you so much for your support! The $5-10 was certainly a mistake. I personally charge 2-4¢ per word as an editor, and definitely understand the importance of it. Also, I definitely didn't abandon the channel due to shitlords. They have ways been a pain in the butt. My PC derped and killed my graphics card so I have been unable to make videos. Once I can afford to replace the card I'm definitely going to be back to making videos! Especially this series - I have a few more installments planned for this.
@aruji-sama4 жыл бұрын
I know this may sound dumb but I have a doubt....about those hentai visual novel games you can find in f95 they keep using similar art and even the character looks same.....and even the songs I dont think are open source. I am interested in making one but dont know what are the most important things to keep in mind so that I dont get into trouble.
@arindika13 жыл бұрын
If your visual novel is free then you might get away with using copyrighted stuff. But not if you want to sell your visual novel
@nyn2k2596 жыл бұрын
Hi nice video, is there a software like comipo where you can create Jap characters and use them anywhere you like? Say I want to make a visual novel, I need characters & sprites, as i can't draw or hire someone to draw what software would you recommend if you know any? thanks.
@yuramichaelis40997 жыл бұрын
Hey nice explanation. Thanks for it. I'm currently planning to create a visual novel myself and I was wondering if I could use songs like "La vie en rose" by Edit Piaf, or "Fly me to the moon" by Claire Littley. I really want to use them and several others. Can I do that?
@thefriendlysenpai7 жыл бұрын
You would be better off asking for an expert's advice than a random KZbinr.
@Razeacc5 жыл бұрын
well. I can do music maybe. I'm not sure if my syle could be what you're looking for though
@Ftrooper3605 жыл бұрын
The Only problem i come a cross is the art.. the sprites, Cgs and backgrounds are my pain at the moment ;-;
@CookieeMonstarr6663 жыл бұрын
I created an hour long of a VN, how much do you think I should priced it?
@thefriendlysenpai3 жыл бұрын
I can't really say without looking at it. If it's an hour worth of gameplay in total, I can't say it'd be easy to price it past $5USD.
@CookieeMonstarr6663 жыл бұрын
@@thefriendlysenpai Would you mind to take a look? I will send google drive link to you.
@positivelyfantasmic6 жыл бұрын
you look like you have fangs but somehow it's a good look also this is a helpful and informative video
@thefriendlysenpai6 жыл бұрын
Yeah I've got weirdly sharp canines lol. I had a few friends in high school that called me vampy
@PanzerHearts6 жыл бұрын
🌟very good and informative video!!
@thefriendlysenpai6 жыл бұрын
Thank you!
@ayeb0ss7 жыл бұрын
holy shit, who knew visual novels would be so damn expensive
@thefriendlysenpai7 жыл бұрын
It's an unfortunate truth ; - ; It makes me sad to see trolls on Steam asking how VN devs could "possibly" set a price tag over $5 for their VNs, when they clearly have no idea what all goes into making each one.
@ayeb0ss7 жыл бұрын
I think theres just a lack of knowledge when it comes to the creation of these games, due to the very niche appeal and not many visual novel creators sharing this information. People assume that since it's only texts, images, and music, that creating it wont take that much of a budget, when apparently thats far from the truth. I appreciate you sharing this knowledge.
@thefriendlysenpai7 жыл бұрын
Coincidentally, my artist just sent me the bill for five different CGs and my wallet just shriveled up and died lol
@user-ow4ij8ix3m6 жыл бұрын
baby, baby, baby oh
@thefriendlysenpai6 жыл бұрын
BABY, BABY, BABY, OHHHH
@DearAnem0ia4 жыл бұрын
*laughs in artist and composer* In all seriousness though, good video for those who only have a vision and nothing else.
@SamDutter4 жыл бұрын
Where are you finding your writers and other creatives? Is it through some sort of community or forum?
@val719995 жыл бұрын
well fuck. at least i can write. art though? i’m screwed. someone wanna help me?? lmao
@heylistenva10334 жыл бұрын
That moment when you can music but you can't art.
@vincent.16074 жыл бұрын
You can m u s i c
@sunnymoon276 жыл бұрын
And that's why I'm gonna teach myself all this...
@sayorisalvato41615 жыл бұрын
And that's why I'm gonna mod Doki Doki Literature Club Since it'll already have sprites I will just need to change dialogue and stuff
@hectorcoronel42834 жыл бұрын
In my case, I can draw and program except writing and composing
@suenzhong78916 жыл бұрын
Hey Friendly Senpai! My sister and I plan to make a visual novel during our uni sem break. We're more or less covered for art assets, coding and script writing (I'm a multimedia student and she's an English major student) but we need assistance for producing a suitable soundtrack. Are there any trusted websites you can recommend in which we can find/hire a decent sound artist for a reasonable price?
@redstone34355 жыл бұрын
I'm glad that I'm learning how to do art
@Zero0Zero00002 жыл бұрын
$5 - $10 per 1K words sounds like abuse for writers. Honestly, I encourage writers to charge more for story-driven texts. $15 - $20 or even $30 per 1K words sounds reasonable given there is a lot of work behind the scenes than just writing. There is a lot of pre-editing before sending it to revision, research, drafts, etc. And 1K words by themselves are a huge amount. Especially in a visual novel in which dialogue requires a lot of important words per speech for the player to be able to connect with the characters. Each character has their own "voice" or speech patterns, personality, there is just so much work that gets overlooked. $5 to $10 is not nearly enough for the work done.
@thefriendlysenpai2 жыл бұрын
I frequently do editing and writing work for VNs, and I don't disagree with your points. There is a lot more work involved in editing than a lot of people think. However, the numbers provided were just averages found from the more commonly used forums where people set their own prices.
@Nataliesworldofmocs3 жыл бұрын
Jesus the amount of money for an artist...
@bglove39193 жыл бұрын
Just use daz3d
@ilikepie212346 жыл бұрын
>been thinking about making a VN large part of my life >Exiting out of uni >scared out of my mind >been studying about game design to calm my butt down >ran into your video >anxienty spikes up since i never thought about budget >my dumb ass clicks on the video "most exspesive part of making an VN is" *Deep breath shaking* "Art" >massive sigh of releafe >been going to shcool as an illistrator and been drawing for years. Thanks mate.
@onemangamer5876 жыл бұрын
Are you using a Nikon DSLR to film this video?
@thefriendlysenpai6 жыл бұрын
Canon G7x :)
@Disthron6 жыл бұрын
Sorry but What dose CG stand for in this context?
@thefriendlysenpai6 жыл бұрын
Disthron Honestly I don't think it stands for anything. We had a discussion in the RenPy Discord a while back where we tried figuring out what it meant and I think it boiled down to a file type back in the early VN days.
@Disthron6 жыл бұрын
The Friendly Senpai that's strange. Watching again, my guess would be Character Graphics.
@foxywolf62443 жыл бұрын
I am late but. Voice actors good thing i have friends!!!! That love me.
@vmprie4 жыл бұрын
aha good thing for me i'm a jack of all trades! just not a good one though
@DrackXeon6 жыл бұрын
Thanks!
@fluxinspired4 жыл бұрын
Well now I know I can make BANK by drawing sprites 😌
@PaulVandersypen Жыл бұрын
Future viewers: Ren'py is pronounced "Ren Pie" as the "py" is short for "Python", the programming language. Beyond that, the video is quite informative.
@thefriendlysenpai Жыл бұрын
Ren Pee gang for life 🤘
@PaulVandersypen Жыл бұрын
@@thefriendlysenpai 😁
@vincent.16074 жыл бұрын
Everyone in the comments be like 'good thing I know how to compose music' 'good thing I know how to draw' 'good thing I know how to program' ... How should I be? 'Bad thing that I don't know how to do anything'?
@thefriendlysenpai4 жыл бұрын
Tbh most of the people saying "good thing I know how to ___" don't understand how absolutely time consuming it is to try to do 2-3 parts of a VN yourself. Like, yeah, you'll save money but I've seen creators spend 3+ years on projects they burn out on because they try to do everything themselves. It's not always a good thing.
@castingpearls284 жыл бұрын
Luckily im a jack of all trades, just a master of none