HOW MUCH Extra Range Will This Add To CITROEN AMI? Low Cost AFERIY 2000W Power Station Reviewed.

[@thepanamahat]

I came for the AMI, but I stayed for you guys. Incredibly entertaining. You have a new subscriber

[@MeandMonAmi]

That’s lovely to hear! Welcome!

[@frigbychilwether]

Hi, great video. Battery seems almost perfect, if it was a few mm thinner then it would be the ideal Ami backup. An extra 19/20km is not to be sniffed at.

[@MeandMonAmi]

Exactly.

[@MikeinNice]

You do brilliant in depth reviews Tim & Mr Boo! Well done!

[@MeandMonAmi]

Thanks very much

[@royston6451]

Mr Boo Holds the Camera Very Steady as well.! 👍

[@zenzen9131]

Excellent video guys :) Have you considered adding pedals on Mr Boo's side to extend the range ? :)

[@MeandMonAmi]

That's a great idea!

[@jackoneil3933]

@@MeandMonAmi A Mr. Boo pedal generator? Let's see, if an Olympic cyclist can manage about 400 watts, Mr. Boo might manage say 100 to 200 watts with furious pedaling, and if the Ami burns 100 watts per km, Mr. Boo might add one km of range per hour of heavy pedaling and sweating, seems worthwhile and fun to watch.

[@kjh789az]

Thanks for another backhernia powerbank review! You are correct to say that the final 10 to 15% of the EV battery charges more slowly. This was true of my Renault Zoe and is true of my MG5 if I go to 100%. Good manners/battery care says charge your EV to 80% only, which reduces the range but results in a quicker charge. Not really practical for the Ami given its modest capacity.

[@MeandMonAmi]

Thanks. Yes that’s true and no not really practical for Ami on long journeys

[@matthewbaynham6286]

You were right about the Ami being the one slowing down the charging. Every EV has a charge curve where the recharge faster with the battery emptyier. With every make of EV they normally say 0-80% takes just as long as 80-100%

[@MeandMonAmi]

I’d never really noticed because we usually use powerbank when we are low not doing a demo

[@jackoneil3933]

@@MeandMonAmi Charging at a lower lower state of charge might add range faster, but as the AMI charge is limited by a standard mains socket and does not have a level 2 charge port, I wonder if you would actually charge faster at a low state of charge, or limits charging to about 2,000 watts for the entire charge?

[@jackoneil3933]

Good option! And the way the charge was tapering off, I suspect it was the AMI's Battery management system reducing the charge. The AFERIY 2000W is advertised as being LIFEPo4 or Lithium Iron Phosphate battery pack, which is inherently much safer than Lithium Ion batteries, typically have 10X the charge cycles and is more environmentally friendly. Also, discharging below 10% can shorten battery life but charging to full capacity should be less stressful than with Li-Ion batteries. I'd also avoid exposing or operating Lithium Batteries to temperatures above 60C for best life.

[@MeandMonAmi]

Yes I think deffo The ami battery protection

[@jackoneil3933]

@@MeandMonAmi Same for the Ami battery when discharging. Not sure if there's a buffer when the AMI's battery indicator shows discharge to 10%, and if that's actually 10% of total capacity, or there's an extra 10% safety reserve built into that indicator, but as a precaution, I'd probably avoid discharging very far into the 10% discharge range, and that's where a extra power-pack might help extent battery life as well as range.

[@sharonec5419]

For which battery is it bad to let charge lower than 10%? Is it the Lithium ion or the lithium ion phosphate?

[@jackoneil3933]

@@sharonec5419 Both Lithium Ion (Li-ion) and Lithium Iron Phosphate (LFP) can be damaged if discharged below 10% and more so if to 0%. I have tested discharged Li-ion to below 2.5v per cell in laptop and ebike packs (that a 48V system like the Ami and most ebikes, would be 32V), and have seen a drop of up to 10% in total capacity. Lithium Iron Phosphate batteries I have seen discharged to as low as 0.6v per cell and have seen them recover and appear to function normally even two years later. Same for overcharging, so LFP would seem to be more forgiving, but over-discharging and over-charging should be avoided with both types. Most Li-Ion and LFP battery packs have Built in Battery management / protection devices that balance the cells and protect from over charging and discharging but it may still be possible to over-discharge, but routinely discharging to less than 20% or over 80% real battery capacity can shorten life in both lithium types. LFP however is typically good for 3 to 10 times as many charges and is more forgiving of overcharging, and is unlikely to catch fire or explode if overcharged or discharged. Most EVs such as Tesla when showing '0%' pack power, go into 'turtle mode' and then cut off drive power, should do so with actually 5 to 10% charge left to prevent battery damage. However, during Tim's deep discharge test in the Ami where the never really experienced turtle mode, rand a good distance after ranching 0%, and the 12v battery went completely dead might have discharged the li-ion battery below its actual 10% reserve? If I had an AMI (or any Li-ioin EV) I'd install a volt meter on the Li-Ion traction battery and would never below 10% charge, and avoid charging over 90% actual charge voltage to extend the life of the battery pack. After 2 years of testing Li-ion LFP packs I built, Hands down I prefer LFP, for Safety, durability and performance, however LFP performance seems to degrade more a low temperature, and charging LFP below 0 degrees C can result in damage. However LFP appears to be less prone to damage from high temperatures and can typically be recharged much faster than a li-ion battery, and generates less heat under under high load.

[@ninatheambulancecamper]

I think I read that when the AFERIY battery says zero, it actually has 10% remaining. It’s a safety feature to stop you completely depleting it. It’s a very very good no frills solar generator.

[@ianjackson8643]

Another excellent video guys

[@MeandMonAmi]

Glad you enjoyed it

[@georgeross9834]

Nicely presented 😊

[@MeandMonAmi]

Thank you! Cheers!

[@finncarlbomholtsrensen1188]

A Jerrycan with 20 liter fuel weighs about the same! And you may need a longer cable?

[@IslaSprollie]

I noticed a Kangoo ZE electric silently creeping past, as you started the charge. Just like mine, same colour. Best business decision I ever made. £150 + VAT a month, including service & tyres. I feel like I'm stealing it.

[@MeandMonAmi]

Interesting!

[@janhussaarts808]

Hi to you and your ami. Because I'm interested in the Opel Rocks E (the Citroen Ami isn't sold here in the Netherlands, but the Opel Rocks E is identical), I started following your channel. Up till now nobody commented about the superb picture quality of this latest video. To my knowledge this is your first video where my LG OLED television showed "HDR HLG". In this video you can see the sun really shine in the south of France. Because you don’t mention it in your video, I can imagine that the HDR setting was switched on accidentally. If that is the case I can only advise you to keep it switched on. If it was on purpose: great upgrade! Greetings to the both of you from Rotterdam, the Netherlands.

[@MeandMonAmi]

It was shot in true 4k, sadly our others films are way too complicated to do like that as the files become so enormous

[@warmtoffee]

Courage Mon Ami !

[@gnostie]

I love this video! More freedom for me and my Ami.

[@richardbas2948]

Hi guy's, I was wondering if you you could perhaps, during travel you can put it on it's side? I mean one carrying handle on the floor and one up! It might fit then maybe?!

[@MeandMonAmi]

I don’t think it’s recommended because of the batteries and fan cooling system (sadly)

[@finncarlbomholtsrensen1188]

And if adding a piece of bent metal to the one side, it will lift the end to be be able to have your feet under the charger and will maximize the available space. Finn. Denmark

[@tasossavva8471]

Is there a chance to fit (permanently ) a roof solar panel and connect it - always on to the car charger? This way you make use of sun's power - avail in abundance (esp. in South Europe)

[@MeandMonAmi]

I don’t think the amount of energy it would generate it would really be worthwhile for us. It would certainly charge peripherals and keep our power station topped up but the impact on the main drive battery would be quite small sadly

[@rufusm4204]

Can you plug the charging cable into the power station and extend the range while driving? Have you tried it?

[@MeandMonAmi]

afraid not

[@RealButcher]

Nice idea. ❤

[@LifeinLancashire]

Another great review, thanks 👍. There appears to be more different brands emerging, so maybe the prices are reducing because of the increased competition between the brands

[@MeandMonAmi]

maybe.. prices are certainly dropping

[@terrortorn]

Can you not remove some interior trim in that cubby hole?

[@MeandMonAmi]

Nope it’s solid

[@memrjohnno]

The reduced draw (charge curve) is perfectly normal and LFP batteries can be fully charged and discharged without causing degradation. The older and more expensive NMC/LNMC type batteries needed to be looked after carefully and kept in the >10 -

[@MeandMonAmi]

Thanks good to know

[@ribohne]

OK so it's dominoes or dynamite to increase your subscriptions. I've encouraged all on my mailing list to give you a look. Bonne chance.

[@MeandMonAmi]

Yes! Thank you!

[@EdmediaDeyerlerEric]

up to 71 km it loads with nearly 2,1 kWh, then it needs for the last 4 km 30 minutes. My tests show that capacity is best at Ami/Rocks-e between 35 and 75 km

[@MeandMonAmi]

That makes sense

[@maksdampf]

Thank you for all your nice videos It is a very well made channel indeed! I wonder if you can still close the door while charging from the inside or if you have to have the door open? It looks like the cable would be squeezed in between the rubber gasket. A trick could be to route the cable back inside the car through the side window. But how safe is that when a thief could reach the door opener latch with a wire and thus easily break into the car? Is it possible to leave the car and go for lunch while charging the car from the powerbank? Another question that you could maybe make a video of is putting a Solar panel underneath the giant glas roof. There are flexible monocrystalline Panels for around 100-200€ on the market that should technically fit the whole surface area underneath the sunroof and deliver 130-150Wp. With these you could possibly charge the power station at a rate of 0.25-0.5kw each day, which means 5-10% of free range added once you charge the car with the power station. If you are not afraid of electronics, it would also be amazing to see if it is possible to add batteries in parallel with the installed 48V one. You can get a 5kwh 24V LFP battery for less than 1000€ with integrated BMS and bluetooth readout. They only weigh around 40kg and are pretty compact at 30liters, so you could easily add two of them for another 10kwh. A total of 15,5kwh would give a range exceeding 200km. For the motor electronics it should not make a difference, the load on the battery would be even lower. But for AC charging one you could disconnect them and charge seperately.

[@MeandMonAmi]

You can push the cable through the door seal and lock the door. I’m not convinced the net gain to power station is worth the extra solar hassle. I wish it was!

[@fikumikudeone9792]

I have a proposition perhaps you should try it charging from the mobile generator you know 2,000 W and another question was that is can you run the generator and use the vehicle the same time that would be interesting want to see

[@MeandMonAmi]

I think I’ve done quite a few videos where I charge with a generator and yes sone support pass through charging

[@MeandMonAmi]

But you certainly can’t charge and run the vehicle at the same time

[@jean-pierredevent970]

For people who can't charge downstairs, a solution might be such a portable power station they charge upstairs and with that they charge the car. No cables on the street is nice too. However I suppose this comes with losses?? And then the extra costs. So why is the car itself not having say two removable battery units ( only one probably too heavy) which "click in" ? A third one could then be bought for range anxiety problems. The mechanism would have to be robust enough to survive all that taking in and out but technically it's possible I suppose.

[@raisagorbachov]

Having seen you using those power bricks, my over-riding question is why, instead of using those cludges, you don't get a bigger battery put in your Ami? It would also be interesting if you put a roof rack with solar panels to see how much extra power you'd get from using those panels to charge your car.

[@MeandMonAmi]

Roof rack solar would at best power a few peripherals and you can’t charge whilst driving. Bigger battery would invalidate the warranty.

[@raisagorbachov]

@@MeandMonAmi I am not so sure about that. Roof rack solar could charge the battery while you're parked. There's a fellow with a chinese battery powered pickup truck that he uses on his ranch. He put a tiny panel on it and reckons that just parking it in the sun reduces the number of times he has to charge it. As for the warranty - once that has expired - you're really free to do anything with it. I don't know how long the warranty is on the Ami.

[@davidmarshall5596]

Mister Me and Mister Boo! There's simply no stopping ya on all this tech stuff 😂there's one thingvfor sure ya should be alreet if there's a bloody black out in France 😂😂 another interesting vlog even if most of ig goes over my head 😂😂stay well & mostvof all stay charged 👍

[@MeandMonAmi]

It’s true we can survive war and famine and plague

[@richardbas2948]

Yes I know that, but I meant during transit when it's not in use! The fans won't work than.... 😊 The batteries don't mind, they don't contain liquid!

[@MeandMonAmi]

Good point I shall investigate! (Although just realised we use it to power stuff whilst travelling..)

[@petecoventry6858]

I just returned a faulty one - they will resell it

[@vikingsystem]

another great review, this one seems very capable, a little bit heavy but or you get a light one but not so powerful, or a heavy duty one.

[@MeandMonAmi]

That’s the trade off. For everyday use we keep a lighter one in but for big expeditions this is coming

[@colinblick4903]

You could tow it on a mini trailer 😉…..🤔that’s a thought…. Has it a fitting or is there a tow bar that would fit the ami….🤷🏻‍♂️

[@MeandMonAmi]

I think you’d have to manufacture something I’m not sure its made for trailers really

[@bobbyrudki3851]

I saw the reflection of the hands of the Boo 😮

[@MeandMonAmi]

The Hand of Boo!

[@parkview113]

@@MeandMonAmi ohh nooo !

[@parkview113]

anyone thought of selling hot dogs or ice creams from the Ami using power station as power source - no street trader licence req'd for off road private events but maybe Public Health requirements ?!

[@parkview113]

or a mobile disco ?

[@firstnamelastname9631]

I followed the link to Amazon (today 22/07) and the price is already down to £999 -I think I'll buy 2...

[@MeandMonAmi]

That’s a good price

[@Newton-Sacred-Cubit-Channel]

Nice !

[@agn855]

What amazed me most was a video clip where an EV owner got stranded bc of missing charging stations, so he stopped a passerby and asked him for: *GAS* !! Questioned how that would be of help to him, he opened the trunk and grabbed a (Honda) Portable Inverter Generator. Smart

[@muhammety5408]

Çok eğlenceli video olmuş :)

[@prieten49]

If only Citroen would make the Ami luggage area a centimeter or two wider!

[@MeandMonAmi]

Lol that’s the other way of looking at it!

[@chromagraphphotoart]

Aaah, the welcome return of Smut to this channel. All is well with the world. What about some size comparisons? (as the Actress said to the Bishop...)

[@MeandMonAmi]

I née e realised smut had left an i losing my touch!?

[@Mercador01]

How long did it take to put the full amount in, and how long to just put enough in before the draw went below 1900W? Only wondered as on my way home from work if I were to need this unit, would my tea be in the dog by the time I got home?😄😄

[@MeandMonAmi]

Normally 12km can be added in 1 hour but we did it with a battery that was 2/3 full to start

[@TheDarkLandsMusic]

"Currently unavailable.".. your sales pitch was top notch and now they are all sold out!!!

[@MeandMonAmi]

That’s no use!

[@MeandMonAmi]

Been corrected now apparently

[@royston6451]

If you are able to Secure the Charger.! How about putting it, On its End.? So the Carry Handles is facing the Passenger.! There is No Moving Parts when it is Turned Off. So it might Fit that way up.? If you can Secure it so it doesn't fall onto Mr Boos Toes.! 😁👍

[@MeandMonAmi]

Worth a try though we often use it to power peripherals whilst driving …

[@hekamteam]

can you charge and drive

[@MeandMonAmi]

Sadly no

[@pt020]

If I were you I would try to double the size of the cars battery, there is some place behind your sits.

[@MeandMonAmi]

But where would we put all our camera gear etc?!

[@nickyjames8550]

Let me be the first to comment ❤ looking forward to watching this

[@nickyjames8550]

Awesome 👍 thank you

[@gavjlewis]

Can you not stand it on its side so the AC outlets are on the top?

[@MeandMonAmi]

You can but I’m not sure it’s recommended when charging

[@gavjlewis]

@@MeandMonAmi Yes not while charging but for when you are driving about. Maybe a couple of bungee cords to make sure it stays in place.

[@jpswift70]

How much range do you lose lugging that thing around though?

[@MeandMonAmi]

I’ve never noticed any great different tbh though i intend to do a scientific test at some point

[@jpswift70]

​@@MeandMonAmi sounds interesting, thanks.

[@marshat.ordureau3121]

HELLO ,,, my friends & Twiggy😊 SUMMER IS HERE!! 😂🎉😊SO RESPECT THE SUN😮

[@MeandMonAmi]

Indeed!

[@ss4qu3be5z]

Of only citroën would make the ami drive at least speed limit. Here in france, in provence, most streets around are 50km minimum. Unless you live in a major city, the ami is very unfriendly to other cars and drivers.

[@johankorten2797]

But it could be even better: you go from DC (Power station) to AC and then DC (Ami) again which causes loss. But one would need to bypass the AC part for that and thus modify both the station and the car.

[@MeandMonAmi]

That might be beyond my pay grade!

[@johankorten2797]

@@MeandMonAmi yup, my brother has an Ami and even though I made the charging outlet for him I would also not recommend you to do it yourself (I would not do it myself, even though I might some day try to change the software). For now your solution is a great idea to increase the range 'on the go'.

[@MeandMonAmi]

@@johankorten2797 it certainly has worked for us many times up mountains etc

[@nigelworwood8530]

You must be able to run your home on all these power banks!

[@MeandMonAmi]

indeed if I can get in it!

[@JAM.2022]

We were in your neighborhood for 3 days

[@MeandMonAmi]

Did you enjoy?

[@KvadroPilot]

Hi where can i order this car to Armenia

[@MeandMonAmi]

that I don’t know!

[@KvadroPilot]

@@MeandMonAmi do you know what is the Internet shop to order it?

[@colingarner6175]

Why don’t Citroen develop a battery pack that will add 20 miles of range and fit the space available

[@MeandMonAmi]

I’m guessing because then you’d have nowhere for a suitcase and it’s meant to be an urban mobility vehicle?

[@hebogara]

Also weight.

[@lawrencewilson2457]

Thanks for another great demo. Too late for me as I bought this exact same AFERIY power station for £1,099 with a £400 off voucher on Amazon six weeks ago. It is the best price for this spec Portable Power Station 2000W (Peak 4000W), 1997Wh Mobile Power Station with LiFePO4 Battery, Pure Sine Wave, UPS. All the best to you and Mr. Boo!

[@MeandMonAmi]

Nice one! Is it working out?

[@lawrencewilson2457]

@@MeandMonAmi Yes, it's working well I bought two 130w solar panels from eco-worthy-uk, cheaper than the normal and it goes together great. Thanks for the reply, all the best!!!

[@ribohne]

Can you two cook? I ask as the channels that seem to have the most subscribers have either a load of dominoes falling over, something being blown up or, shot at, then comes cooking. You could make it a trial and error sort of thing with the cock ups being accepted as part and parcel of the whole. Kind of Tommy Cooper, Cooks.

[@MeandMonAmi]

We do cook but it never goes wrong!;

[@mbak7801]

Aferiy is £1,299.00, a VDL (looks identical) £999.00. Typical Amazon. Then Aferiy again £1,549.00. Moral of buying from Amazon is never ever shop drunk. Too easy to pay well over the odds.

[@MeandMonAmi]

If you apply the discount codes in our description it’s £1143

[@mikeos1]

The last time I heard that actress & bishop joke I was 14.

[@MeandMonAmi]

Meandmonami keeping vintage humour alive

[@ninatheambulancecamper]

Just got mine for £899 here in the uk through Amazon. Absolute bargain

[@MeandMonAmi]

That’s good value I think

[@Didisxm]

Too much stuff in this Citroen ami guys, you’ll need a caravan for storage soon

[@IronMountainx]

So silly, a 1.0L fiesta will carry 4 people and luggage for hundreds of miles and can be recharged anywhere in about 2 mins. I just don't get it.

[@MeandMonAmi]

You clearly don’t!

[@IronMountainx]

@@MeandMonAmi It is a shame that well intentioned people are taken advantage of. The following saying comes to mind here.... 'To not see the wood for the trees' is an idiom, whereby an individual or group of people seem not to not understand or appreciate a larger situation, problem, etc., because they are considering only a few parts of it.

[@chargeriderepeat7024]

Just one thing from a doomer. You should really use some kind of a strap, in an accident that weight flying about could spoil your day.

[@MeandMonAmi]

Indeed I think I did say that.

[@chargeriderepeat7024]

Well there you go.

[@countteddy]

im sorry Tim but that joke about the sub was not funny ,i was appalled , i nearly unsubscribed,....

[@Dwainpipe21]

Bet he's glad, he would have been crushed if you had ...

[@darenkent6987]

Midweek videos ❤❤❤

[@lordcharfield]

On my Amazon Prime today via Tim and Mr Boo’s link, it’s £999 with a £100 off voucher, making it £899!

[@MeandMonAmi]

Wowzer so finally under 1k? Glad the link still works…