How Much Improvement Did NURON Really Achieve?

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[@El_Diablo_LI]

Thanks Dave! This video really highlights the difference between the older gen Hilti impact and the new Neuron gen impact. The newer version definitely seems to be an improvement. I have a simple suggestion regarding driving in lag bolts into wood which you typically do when you test impact guns and drill drivers. Use a washer! It will prevent you from over driving the head into the soft wood, and more importantly, you'll know exactly when the head makes contact with the washer so you know your done with the test. Give it a try and you'll see exactly what I mean. Otherwise, great video as always!

[@slamminsmitty5284]

I think I’ll stick with my m12 stuff. Keep up the good work.

[@ireneuszskica558]

Bought the Nuron impact driver and love it. The LED is so convenient, and the fact that the battery does a self diagnostic is fantastic

[@pompy65]

Your lucky, here in Europe it’s not available until end of this year🤷🏻‍♂️

[@robertrada4783]

@@pompy65 This is the one time you don’t get the good stuff two years before we do. Let’s us enjoy this moment. 😂

[@jeffreyvelthuis9245]

What some people don't understand about Hilti tools is, Hilti doesn't focus of being the fastest and most powerfull. They focus on durability and quality of the tool. They last forever. Thats why i love Hilti. Their batteries are made by Panasonic, so then you know they are good.

[@robertrada4783]

The whole selling point of Nuron is that it’s the new Battrion batteries. Panasonic sure makes the cordless tools though.

[@deanstaysthrsty7120]

Milwaukee impact has durability, quality, faster and less expensive theyre impact is also 3 years older. All this talk about Neuron and new tools and batteries, and still cant beat a 3 year old tool which is cheaper in price. What would be the incentive to choose Hilti impact over Milwaukee?

[@robertrada4783]

@@deanstaysthrsty7120 I know a good amount of impacts from the inside out. Conveniently, this includes the Milwaukee and new Hilti. Milwaukee has a lot of build quality things I scoff at. Hilti has a lot of build quality things I would praise. Putting other brands into the mix, the Milwaukee and Hilti are on opposing ends on the build quality scale. What does that matter to the consumer? Well, nothing if they like the Milwaukee and it doesn’t break. I have a lot of end user experience criticisms with Nuron and this impact driver. You end up making a lot of sacrifices battery size to battery power. The 8ah is too big for the tool, so you give up power to go to the 4ah, but the 4ah has weird balance issues on the impact, so you give up even more power and use the 2.5ah 18650 pack (which is bigger than say a Bosch 4ah 21700, btw). On the flip side, the Hilti is much nicer control wise with the Milwaukee being probably the worst at it. That’s work dependent. If you’re running giant torx screws in all of the time on first fix type work, you may prefer the Milwaukee (or Dewalt). If you use an impact driver with visible fasteners and god forbid they’re Phillips…well…you might prefer something like the Hilti or the Makita. They all get the job done. Most of it is personal preference.

[@jacobamador7989]

@@deanstaysthrsty7120 I have a 5 gallon bucket filled with dead dewalt and Milwaukee cordless tools before I switched to hilti three years ago. In that time I have only killed one hilti drill. My experience with a pile of their dead competitiors vs a single dead hilti leads me to think hilti is better, but I'm sure others experience different. I treat my tools like tools, not toys and they have very hard lives.

[@707megaman]

@@deanstaysthrsty7120 I had the Milwaukee gen 3 impact while my coworker had a Hilti. We were working with metal studs and boy the hilti feels so much better in hand drilling the screws. It felt like the screws just went in so much easier and smoother. The difference was night and day. If you’re screwing 3/8 sds screws into wood. Sure I’ll take the Milwaukee but hilti has its own place at the top.

[@bird718]

i love the way the new hilti looks

[@revg2608]

Love it! Just got my new Nuron impact!!!! The power is there but still my Milwaukee M18 by a hair faster but don’t be fooled Hilti is swinging for the fences.

[@tommetal2683]

Great, I want yo see the old brushed (cause is the only that i've) & new nuron hammer drill... Saludos desde México Dave.

[@andrewcollier893]

This video compares the older version of the SID 4 to the new Nuron SID 6. The SID 6 exists on both battery platforms. The major difference in performance is due to the difference in model of tool, not the battery platform.

[@robertfrate9738]

Hi Dave, hilti cordless was not very strong back in the eighties in there early days, the corded tools were excellent performance still not as strong as today’s cordless and corded tools, hilti holds the top of the line quality tools reputation for me, outstanding company and warranty, excellent demonstration ty so much, Bob,

[@bpet6990]

Time…….. your videos are amongst the best ! Love to watch them, regards from germany

[@7dioclau]

Now this is the vid I was looking for. Was really wondering if it's worth/ or makes sense the upgrade? 👍👍

[@KevinPGA]

Nice video Dave. I also think this proves your point on how effective companies can be running comparisons from the current tool to the new and improved. I would have been more inclined to look at Flex if they showed us the benefits of their new batteries over their old, rather than tests against other brands. Just my worthless $0.02...

[@tjsells9288]

Flex is a good brand tho! Even though they are a new tool company

[@KevinPGA]

@@tjsells9288 No doubt!

[@jacobamador7989]

I wish they kept backwards compatability. Probably wouldn't have been too difficult, but then you wouldn't be able to sell more tools and batteries I guess lol. Imo the new batterys look ugly, not like that matters much tho.

[@jamestorres5582]

I bought a Makita subcompact but I love this Hilti

[@onsiteelectricianscott4025]

The biggest improvement THAT THEY NEED TO MAKE is to be more available in home depot , lowes , ace , tractor supply , ect . That is one of the reasons I chose dewalt, I can catch them on sale here or wait and get them over there . Dependable, available. Kinda go together like drill in hand .

[@ivannedkov]

You're so lucky on the other side of the pond. In Europe the only place you can buy Hilti from is Hilti themselves. And that's for decades.

[@onsiteelectricianscott4025]

It's pretty much like that here , we cant buy hilti unless it's from hilti or maybe Grainger but Grainger is just a big industrial supply company and just by luck you may roll in and catch some hilti products out on the floor, we use hilti sds hammer drills , they make the best in my opinion . Powerful , Last forever ,and easy to maintain .... but ya it's not as easy to buy hilti as you think here in the U.S either

[@rocketmunkey1]

Exactly this, I was looking into investing in some Hilti tools but when I discovered you could only get them from Hilti themselves, here in the UK , it was a pass from me, aside from the fact companies like to take our already extortionate "value added" tax rate of 20 percent and double it, when they do their exchange rate calculations, making Hilti tools ridiculously expensive, Hilti management on this side of the pond are just greedy, chasing short term profit bonuses, by hiking prices at the expense of long term customer support, not that they care they'll probably just move onto another company and do the same to them. Because You cant get them from competing construction industry retailers, you can never find any bargains when they have competing sales or want to get rid of stock, like you can with other tools manufactures. People say they're more reliable but their warranty is the same 3 years as other mid to high end tool manufactures, it only works out as a lifetime guarantee, if you have a large company and can afford their fleet management service, soon they will become a subscription only company, which only very large construction and tool hire companies will be able to afford to use. USE mind, not actually Own !

[@cshayes2]

I guess never say never, but the business model isn’t designed to target a handy man or a homeowner shopping a big box store. The business model is a direct sales force selling solutions to large contractors. All the tools are designed with purposes in mind, and being the fastest or most powerful out of the box hasn’t necessarily been the goal. Before nuron the cordless platform was almost an after thought, the power tools is where they played until this launch.

[@markwicker2664]

I assume the Nuron battery model numbers indicate the battery's watt-hours (Hilti's websited doesn't say much about battery capacity). So is the B 22-55 battery 55 Wh (2.5 Ah), with the B 22-255 being 255 Wh (11.6 Ah)? So it looks like 55 Wh for $84, 85 Wh for $114, 170 Wh for $174, and 255 Wh for $204? This compares to M18 single battery prices 54 Wh (CP3.0) for $119 (or two for $129), 144 Wh (8.0) for $199, and 216 Wh (12.0) for $249. Yes, your average consumer can get better discounts on Milwaukee batteries and combo kits, but the Nuron battery pricing seems like a nice surprise. Unfortunately, I can't justify adding another battery platform right now.

[@FyrFytr998]

Whether it’s the focus of Hilti or not, speed does effect perception of Hilti’s work capacity. And Hilti always seems a tad slower than more commonly available box store brands that the “Professionals” they are targeting shop at. It’s one thing to convince some number cruncher to go with fleet management. Another thing to get a laborer to work slower on purpose.

[@dannygonzales7377]

Price difference👍🏻

[@topsecretmx5142]

That battery platform is ridiculously big.

[@skolsaw1080]

Hey Dave, I'm really looking forward to seeing the Nuron hammer drill go up against everything else. I'm really curious about the ft. lbs. of torque that's stated for the Hilti. It doesn't seem like it has nearly as much as the Milwaukee or Flex. I can't seem to find the tec data in torque on the DeWalt Flexvolt Advantage. Looking at getting one myself this week. So far I've managed to get the SC 4WL 22 6 1/2 circ saw and impact. I'm really geeked out on all of this Hilti Nuron. They have by far become my favorite tool company now. Wish they would get a woodworking division though. Could you imagine a Hilti Nuron 12inch compound sliding miter saw? whoa!

[@larsjjensen9517]

The “new” hammer drill is just the old version but with nuron batteries. It should be interesting to see if there is any difference between the nuron version and the old version.

[@larsjjensen9517]

I was actually wrong. The new hammer drill has a little more power than the old model :-)

[@skolsaw1080]

@@larsjjensen9517 lol 😂 yah same with the impact. And the LED ring light. Wow!! Frickin awesome! Can’t wait to get my hands on the rear handle blade left 7 1/4 next month. I’m hoping that one is going to have more power that the current model as well.

[@callumcraig3664]

I’d like to see how long the battery lasts old Lion v new Nuron .. ie keep working the tool until each battery is flat .. that’s the true test for me .. do I need 2 batteries for a days work or will 1 be more than enough with this new battery

[@toolsdealsautomobiles6980]

Whats up MCT 🤟✌️👍

[@STajadura93]

El problema es que en España el Hilti SiD 4 de este video no vale 159$ sino 485€ en amazon… una autentica locura. Si en EEUU lo pueden vender a ese precio y ganan dinero imagina el beneficio que sacan en Europa…

[@MrTooTechnical]

U finally shaved. Great vid.

[@GeraldTheMaker]

i checked, nuron using 21700 instead 18650 cells, same as the Festool. thats why it's so amazing performance, all others including the new FLEX are using 18650 cells.

[@luisinhoens90]

All BOSCH CORE batteries, Milwaukee M18 HO batteries, Kobalt XTR batteries and a Dewalt's XR 6.0, and Slim 4Ah batteries are 21700 cells.

[@GeraldTheMaker]

@@luisinhoens90 sorry I mean exclusively 21700 brand

[@javismith4698]

@@GeraldTheMaker I think the lowest end Nuron battery is still on 18650 cells

[@robertrada4783]

Trust me, every Festool cordless tool performs better on a 6ah 18650 pack then on the 4ah 21700 pack.

[@Biaanca5036]

It can still sort of be called an 'all 21700 native lineup'. The basic 2.6Ah battery that they always put in each voltage category is always the only exception that uses 18650s, but those are meant to be compact and lightweight anyways 12v 2.6? The only exception 22v 2.6? Also the only exception 36v 2.6? Also. Nuron 2.6? exception also

[@curtis6252]

The lights on the battery and on the drills ( at least on the screw gun ) seem to come on and stay on too long and drain the batteries. I can't get more than 30 minutes of work out of the smaller battery. Even the 4amp won't last me all day surprisingly. I previously had DeWalt and the 3 amp battery would go all day for me. I bought 2 2amp, and 2 4 amp with the set I got so I don't think they're dud batteries, but maybe. Has anyone else found they drain fast?

[@SkilledLabor]

In my opinion they should have never made the 4, should have stuck with the 5.2 5.2 would have been better for hammer drill as it drains from heavy drilling As for the battery lights I don’t mind them and the batteries last decent for the impact. But I don’t think it’s any better than old platform.

[@miha8330]

Nuron vs power stack

[@churre9215]

But It should been compared to nuron sid4 and not sid6

[@ManCaverTools]

I bought the SID 4 :)

[@simoncroker2577]

it didnt imorove the customer service experience with the older tools .

[@shaneporter4958]

Why do all pro-milwaukee shows always compare the impact driver. We all know Milwaukee has the best on the market! How about Hilti SDS Vs Milwaukee sds?

[@robertrada4783]

But do they though? I don’t have anything nice to say about the Milwaukee impact.

[@Biaanca5036]

I don't think I've ever actually seen the gen3 demonstrated with a battery _MEANT_ for a tool its size. Only that goofy 8Ah or the enormous 6Ah battery. It weighs almost 6 pounds in that configuration. Impact wrenches are actually lighter and cheaper and faster than these setups

[@shaneporter4958]

@@Biaanca5036 I know. That's why I don't get the team red fan boys. It's heavier and more expensive. Of course it's fast. That's why I bought the M12 as well. More manageable.

[@Techprep23]

Hart sockets can't be that bad if man caver uses them.

[@ManCaverTools]

most sockets sets are really good. even TackLife socket sets are actually good and I abused the crap out of those as well for years

[@leee2235]

that battery looks ridiculous

[@ManCaverTools]

I actually like the design

[@leee2235]

@@ManCaverTools looks cool but the battery looks overkill

[@thepubliceye]

GREAT TOOL BUT NOT THE CORRECT TOOL FOR DRIVING 8" LAG BOLTS

[@ManCaverTools]

Exactly, lags if really for impact wrenches. but it does make a good test for the motor

[@HondaCH1]

Still you said in the video, that Hilti did not have a tool for them. But they did. Just not an impact driver, but an impact wrench. And that is for the obvious reason, that no professional user would use a driver for that application. Plus, Hilti‘s drivers are still more focussed on driving their own anchors and nuts, because Hilti is a solution supplier. No other brand that I know of would not only sell you the tool and inserts, but also the anchors, screws, etc.

[@ManCaverTools]

@@HondaCH1 HILTI did make new impact wrenches.

[@Unam469]

That’s one of the ugliest batteries I’ve seen

[@robertcasey3528]

No doubt 🤣🤣🤣

[@kc0lif]

nuron is better.

[@user-eo8ht6ov8z]

4 и 6 сравнивать ?! просто гений )))))))))))))))