How much $$$ Lumber to build a Metal Airplane? Lesser-known Costs - VLOG 11

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In this “Airplane Build Vlog” episode of Flight Chops: We meet with the team to review our costs to date, and plan the final stages of the project!
Builder Roundtable
Premiere at 8:30pm Central on Dec 2nd
Host/Moderator: Ryan
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Plane Lady
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Jason Ellis
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The builders featured in this one:
Jon who built an RV-8 in his basement (and had to remove a wall to get it out :)
And also flys a Meridian and makes videos about both!
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Martin Filiatrault:
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Pilot since 1981; EAA lifetime member since 1995; member of EAA Chapters 113 and 194
Inception of RV-8 build/ pre-plans purchased in 2002
Empennage work begun in May 2015
Quickbuild kits arrived in February 2017
Fully complete empennage to hangar October 2019
Currently working on completing canopy/windscreen and wingtips
Painting to be completed spring 2021
Expected completion and first flight summer 2021
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I am a "weekend warrior" private pilot, I fly for fun with no intentions of going commercial. I have had my PPL for over 15 years, but still consider each flight a learning experience - I generally take detailed notes after each flight to remind myself what went well or what I could do to improve.... Having the GoPro cameras to record flights like this is invaluable. I find these self analysis videos very helpful in my constant quest to improve, and am happy to share. Feedback is invited; however, please keep it positive.
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[@FlightChops]

Leave comments with questions you'd like addressed in the "Builder Round Table"! We're filming that next week and compiling questions from the community. (if you don't know what this means, you didn't watch to the end :P)

[@FishyCanada]

What was their biggest error during a build?

[@peteranderson037]

How did you finance your build? If it was via a bank loan, how difficult was it to get financing?

[@AirplaneDetective]

Tool you wish you bought?

[@travisw9071]

Builder round table pay it forward? Build days to help each other? I wanna see every one in the air!

[@dudeinrobe]

How realistic is it to build an rv by oneself? Don’t you have to have others around to help lift heavy things or hold things in position?

[@aserta]

People might think the cookbook part of the episode is annoying, but this is a vital and important part of any project AND the leg on which most projects go to die. And i'm not even joking. Losing your mind in the finance aspect, sinking too much or too little, is what keeps the project going, ultimately.

[@aserta]

My friend from Canada rebuilt his Cub in his residential sized garage, that had a small addition in the back, which just afforded him the space to fit the length of the airplane proper. And the way he managed to work the wings was he built a ... sort of rotisserie for the wing. Mounted rigidly at the structure, and held from moving around using a pair of continuous belts that at the top were supported by rollers, which allowed him to turn the wing on the ceiling and keep the floor space clear. Necessity makes you an inventor.

[@colinwallace5286]

You know, that hangar cannot be overstated as a source of both inspiration and motivation.

[@brianpetrow7218]

Maybe I'll pull the trigger on my 40th...for a build that is....lol Great to see Ryan hosting. Wonder what his project will be....🧐

[@SuperAero]

You all need to stop giving me ideas.....

[@TheCanadianBubba]

That updated engine is a beautiful piece !

[@WhiskyRadio]

I am currently building an RV-14A and your videos have been great. Thanks for taking the time to make and edit them, I know what kind of time and effort goes into that, and we appreciate it.

[@FlightChops]

Awesome, thank you! I greatly appreciate feedback like this. It is super rewarding to share this stuff, but no doubt, a ton of work behind the scenes!

[@GlenAndFriendsCooking]

Love seeing this come together! It's always been a dream of mine.

[@DanielWhiting]

Two of my favorite and completely unrelated channels collide!

[@niklaspilot]

Ok, how many more random channels am I gonna find Glen at :D Rick Beato, now Flight Chops.... :D

[@JohnDoe-eo8gi]

I love both of these channels too lol

[@SmittySmithsonite]

This past summer, I heard an aircraft flying overhead that sounded a bit unusual - I looked it up on FlightAware, and it was an RV-14! That thing was MOOOVIN'! Very impressive! You're going to love that thing, Steve, and we're all going to love watching you fly it. 👍👍😎

[@LtKernelPanic]

One thing I've learned over the years there's nothing more expensive than a cheap tool. Very interesting to see all the things you need to budget for but may not have considered in the beginning.

[@deephorizon1365]

Hey FlightChops, I just wanted to let you know you've been a huge inspiration for me to become an airline pilot. I have a PSTAR test tomorrow for my student pilot license!!!

[@FlightChops]

So glad to hear that! Report back after your solo!

[@deephorizon1365]

@@FlightChops You know it!

[@deephorizon1365]

Aced the PSTAR!

[@marsgal42]

I continue to be tempted. Especially with the results of this year's annual. "Laura, we need to talk." The new engine should be here in January. :-( I had a ride in an RV-6A last weekend. Neat little plane, fast, but the cockpit was too cramped to be viable. Nevertheless, I see the attraction. An RV-9 would be more my speed. I could build most of one in my apartment but I don't think my neighbours would appreciate the riveting. :-)

[@e-rj8984]

Thumbs up Steve for You and all Your friendly Teams around 👍👍👍

[@FlightChops]

Thanks 👍

[@captainmichael787]

Awesome video

[@brennenfitzgerald]

Jason, my man! His was actually the channel that made it look possible for me to build my dream RV8. How do you eat an elephant? One bite at a time.

[@FlightChops]

That’s awesome!

[@colinwallace5286]

My wife’s cousin’s husband built an RV8A. Sweet airplane. Definitely a flying sports car. Sort of a fighter plane on a budget.

[@mylesspear]

I’ve been really enjoying this series, Steve! I’m currently working on my A&P certificate and I’ve been learning a lot about aircraft construction from watching the RV-14 come together. Keep up the great work and all the best!

[@FlightChops]

Awesome - love feedback like this! Best of luck working toward your cert!

[@mylesspear]

@@FlightChops thanks! No prob!

[@mikercflyer7383]

You got a great team there . You need a good size garage to fit everything they put together it would be a great place to take kids to introduce them to aviation.

[@TRabbit1970]

That’s about right for a composite aircraft as well, if you’re starting out with nothing. I’m in an area that has wide temperature swings, so I also had some “home improvements” for the garage to tightly control the temperature. I also had to create organization and storage. Setting up for the build can take quite a chunk of time as well; I’ve spent about 700 hours or so just getting things ready, starting from nearly nothing but a bare garage.

[@FlightChops]

Thanks for sharing these insights - How far into your project are you, and what are you building?

[@aggibson74]

Yes!!! Princess Auto---the Harbor Freight of Canada!

[@bruschi8148]

Incredibly organized and the attention to detail is crazy! Can't wait to see her fly!

[@michaelguy7168]

Great design of work station bench.

[@goatflieg]

Such an honor to be able to contribute to yet another FlightChops episode. Thanks again for giving me the opportunity; I look forward to more chances to help out in the future. (I'm Martin in this episode; my KZbin channel is goatflieg) Love the ending... along with "I had that framed up... yer killin me"...!

[@FlightChops]

Thanks again for contributing Martin! And for anyone looking - Martin's info and link is in the description, and his episode is also linked in the "cards" - click the little icon on the top right side of the frame to expand them.

[@thehoeser]

We gotta get this 2020 under control so we can get you back over for some flying!

[@goatflieg]

@@thehoeser I know... seeing the hangar and thinking "How long will it be until I can return?!" Really missing it... but at least I'm laying low and staying healthy.

[@1fujimonk]

Awesome video, Steve! You’re living the dream, I’m a huge fan! Keep them coming, please! Cheers from Vancouver. 🙃

[@quinnjim]

Great videos. I'm going to wuss out and just buy an RV-7 that's already made. I'd like to build one someday, but I just don't have the time right now.

[@FlightChops]

Totally understandable. Timing needs to be right to take on a project like this

[@joshmccarthy7943]

That’s one way to get your aeroplane.Great job with the older fellas knowledge and build skills. As a fitter Machinist my self I appreciate good quality work well done and great help to every one that’s what it’s all about.

[@CuratedPile]

Aw, now you have me missing my build. My -9A has been flying for 2 years now (finished about the same time as Guil at BuildFlyGo finished his - great channel BTW). If I had a decent bucket of cash I'd build another - it was a lot of work, but the most rewarding thing I've ever done. Flying something you built is unbelievable.

[@Project2Aero]

Looking great Steve!

[@ForFunFlyer]

That's quite the professional team you got there, Steve! They're very well organized, just a joy to see... 👌🏻

[@LukePylypciw]

Can’t wait to see this finished product!

[@ml6941]

Elephant in the room: How many man-hours are in this build-out, (and will be by the time it's done)? The critical comparison is what a novice first-time builder can truthfully expect compared to a team of dedicated plane enthusiasts with previous build experience and a wonderful workspace.

[@EJWash57]

A wealth of experience and info. Thank you!

[@clearofcloud2038]

I actually often wondered about the ancillary costs.....esp the lumber question !

[@chrisbowpiloto]

This was an interesting one for me, those are expenses that I would easily forget to budget for. Thanks for sharing

[@FlightChops]

Glad it was helpful!

[@travisw9071]

Pay it forward to Jason Ellis. What a guy!

[@brennenfitzgerald]

I love how Jason actually shows his bloopers. Cutting himself..... drilling the wrong size...... smearing his shirt with Pro Seal...... spilling his beer “Tragedy! Tragedy!!!”...... or loses his parked cruiser on a frozen driveway loooong after he parked it.

[@travisw9071]

@@brennenfitzgerald the cruiser was the best! I tell that story as if he were someone i actually knew haha good stuff

[@brennenfitzgerald]

@@travisw9071 I have as well. Had a customer come in when her car did the exact same thing. We checked over the parking pawl engagement, cv axle condition, all the obvious things. Then when we couldn’t figure out why her car rolled backward out of nowhere on a cold day, Jason’s video popped into my head. So, I walked back to the customer waiting room, sat down next to her, and said “I think we may have what happened. Buddy of mine is a police officer and he lost his cruiser not long ago......”

[@doc-nobody-glider]

Very intresting facts and information!

[@FlightChops]

Glad you found this one useful.

[@joethomasson6326]

Awesome

[@michael9016]

Oshkosh is my home airport. Landed on 23 a few times just to use it or to help alleviate some crosswind. Taking off on 23 heads you in the direction of the tower. Kind of a cool view. Check ride is coming up!!! I fly with wings as eagles mission air service. They have a few videos on KZbin.

[@Timbo428CJ]

Steve, is this your airplane that the group has been helping/doing? Great group of people !! Way to go eh!

[@FlightChops]

Thanks Tim! It is going to be the "official Flight Chops Airplane" - and we're going to base it at the museum so that it is both an honorary Yellow Bird fleet support plane, and also allow any of the Yellow Bird pilot's to get checked out and fly it.

[@Timbo428CJ]

Steve, that's awesome for everyone great way to pay it forward where you can exercise your IFR skills. You guys are doing awesome!!

[@tomwilliam5118]

Back in the mid-to-late seventies my neighbor built at BD5 in his garage. I think it was the jet version

[@danyperron1138]

First, thanks for all the efforts that you put into your youtube channel. Your passion is translate into your videos and we enjoy all of them! One subject that your didn’t mention about your rv-14 build and that we have to keep in mind is customs and shipping TO Canada. Can you elaborate your process / cost of doing so? I think that this would be a good blog for us in canada and even international so that we know a little more of what is involved.... Question like : Did you use van’s shipping? Did you use a pickup freight @ van’s? How does the broker work? What are the fees associated? Keep the good work and fly safe!

[@FishyCanada]

How many volunteer builders does it take to mess up a shot? :) Great informative video!

[@Parr4theCourse]

Starting to look like a PLANE! I know you are anxious to fly her!

[@peteranderson037]

"Buy the angle grinder at Harbor Freight but buy the disks at Home Depot" This is sound advice. Basically no tool company really honors their warranty any more. Buying something high quality and expensive that you're only going to need for one project doesn't make sense. However, all of the wear parts for said cheap tools aren't worth the material that they're made of. You'll waste too much time cursing at them when they inevitably break or deteriorate vs. buying something that is slightly more expensive.

[@BallroomDanceCraze]

You all must have used the EAA Chapter 1000 Standardized Work Table Plans to build the tables and put MDF on the top so you might comment on that item. Also, what plans did you use for the mobile tool table??? Thanks! The BUILD VIDEOS are a GREAT GREAT help to the RV build community.

[@peregrinussolutionsllc6010]

Great video! I've been following along and can hardly wait to see this project transition into flying :-) Thank you for sharing :-D As someone who does a lot of building and prototyping, "Buy the Angle grinder at HF and the discs at HD" is a great motto to have and I completely agree :-D Best regards, Christian @ PeregrinusS

[@peregrinussolutionsllc6010]

It would be cool to have each member of the build team describe something they/the team would do differently on your next aircraft build ;-); for constructive improvement purposes :-D. I suspect these are like extremely expensive Pringles, where once you build one aircraft, it's hard to stop :-) haha!

[@FlightChops]

Hahah - "these are like extremely expensive Pringles, where once you build one aircraft, it's hard to stop" - love that quote :)

[@peregrinussolutionsllc6010]

@@FlightChops Thanks FlightChops! :-D

[@mattbasford6299]

Overwhelming. I could never do that.

[@stegradon7827]

Love the project, but could we have an update on the 'Mossie' behind you? would like some info on that.

[@FlightChops]

Yes for sure - The pandemic screwed up my plans to shoot with the other crews in this hangar as they have us sort of working on cohorts - but I got some back ground footage on that project a while ago and can make a sort of update to insert into an upcoming build vlog.

[@ForFunFlyer]

Oh, and you need to add '' to a couple of links in the description, which don't work right now 😉

[@FlightChops]

Arrrg - thanks - I copy pasted those from a document that was shared - will fix asap

[@ForFunFlyer]

@@FlightChops No probs, glad to help 👍🏻

[@TzunSu]

Swedish colors for the engine, big ups :D

[@simonhughes-king]

Thanks Steve, I need to add a couple of thousand to my "misc" line I think....

[@mouser857]

Ahhhh you used the toilet paper for the plane... I thought.... well.... it was used for something else.. I had no idea you guys knew how to use the "shells". Lol... good stuff.

[@FlightChops]

Wuh?

[@jackielinde7568]

The title of the video confused me... Up until they started panning the shots around the work bay (2:33) and all the wooden cabinets, workbenches, and structures came into view. These were incidentals to build tools that someone making a "one off" aircraft might not have in their shops to start with.

[@marcelobeserrapiloto]

Legal 😃

[@FlightChops]

wuh?

[@PlaneLady]

@@FlightChops it’s Portuguese. It means “cool!” 😊

[@charlesincharge6512]

When do you expect the Vans to be flying? Maybe get Elliot to do the test flight!

[@FlightChops]

The plan is to have Elliot to be consulting, and help us set up the "test flight program", and have Dave actually do the flight. Hoping to have her flying this summer!

[@charlesincharge6512]

@@FlightChops Ohhh that should be a lot of fun! Once Covid is over I'm planning to visit the US & Canada and try and do some flying out there.

[@aceofhawks]

Hey FlightChops! I've just started my Studies at l'ENA (Ecole Nationale de l'aerotechnique) and I'm wondering what tools your build team would recommend getting for someone starting out as a future aircraft maintenance tech and maybe future aircraft builder! (I already have Lockwire pliers on the list) Specifics would be great/ what i should look for when buying tools!

[@FlightChops]

I’ll ask my guys :)

[@geraldmartsy2165]

Can somebody remind me will the RV belong to the museum when they're done with it?

[@FlightChops]

It’s the “official Flight Chops airplane”, which will be based at the museum as an honorary Yellow Bird (fleet support and formation photo ship) and will also be accessible to qualified crew members that would like to get checked out on it.

[@tonyfdesign]

So the roughly $4,700 covered tools, bench lumber, and all the building “stuff”?

[@FlightChops]

It's been a while since I looked at this one, but I thought it was $7,400. But anyway yeah, whatever the total number we share in this episode, was accounting for all the stuff that wasn't directly "the plane".

[@tonyfdesign]

Right, $7,400. That’s what I meant to say!

[@farmdwg]

Will you share the total cost of the build? Engine, avionics, etc?

[@FlightChops]

For sure yes. When we get closer to the end there will be a total summary episode that shares all the costs.

[@farmdwg]

@@FlightChops Many thanks... Is your RV-14 a partnership or a single owner?

[@FlightChops]

It’s an RV-14 actually, and I’ll explain how we’ll operate it in a future episode.

[@dodgydino1]

Dont think about the cost... if you have little funds just drip feed and you can. People get to worried about cost.

[@rockyBalboa6699]

Personally i dont recommend using Lumber in aircraft projects. Lumber looks and feel different based on heat & humidity, so say good bye to those measurements.

[@FlightChops]

The lumber was used for work surfaces and storage, not anything precise such as jigs.

[@daniellamb7828]

"we used local suppliers like 'lowes' and 'home depot'" 😂😂

[@williamSmith-fv5hi]

mask foil the understandability of dialog. Try 6 feet and no mask!

[@FlightChops]

We're following the current provincial protocols (as well as museum board directives) that require masks worn indoors along with some other safety measures. I'm doing my best to work around it, shoot when the environment is quiet and use lav mics when able for the best sound I can get.

[@pseudocoder78]

You can't talk at all if you're dead. Let's try safety first.