How much power is 'too much power?' Multistrada V4 S riding neverending twisties [RAW Onboard]

[@valebliz]

There surely is “so much power I can’t use it and it bothers me”. My last bike was a 1290R and tbh I think I’ll get something 30-40hp less next as long as it handles very well. Mid corner dynamics is where the fun is, at least to me.

[@Schaaf]

Sounds legit

[@costantinolampa2180]

​@@Schaaf How many horsepower did you Get with the Akrapovic slip on?

[@tubejorrit]

I think the sweet spot is a Triumph Street Triple 764 or Duke 890. I like to see electric suspension on middle weights instead of only putting them on hyper bikes. Being able to switch from comfort to sport with a button is so nice but I don't need 190whp.

[@nogerboher5266]

You people are forgetting that these bikes are Adventure bikes that are built to cover large, large distances, with multiple gas fill-ups... Where this horsepower comes in handy is on long highway rides, giving you a much smoother and softer ride at much lower RPMs, on lower gears all while riding at the same speeds that you would be redlining on or be in higher gear on or both, on lower CC/HP bikes.

[@opmike343]

I came to the same conclusion on my previous S1000 and Fireblade. I don't think I took either of those bikes fully to the throttle stops in anything lower than 3rd more than a handful of times. I just can't exploit anything of it on the street. My riding consists of 0 interstate and I can't afford anymore tickets as it is.

[@halo-7797]

My 90s 60hp 400cc is all I need for twisties and city rides, hitting that 14k RPM redline through gears and still going at manageable speeds feels really good. However, struggle at the highway so I think something around 100hp is the sweetspot for a good all-rounder. Btw: I saw your beginnings on a CB500, which influenced my decision of a bike purchase a lot. I figured if I master the 400 first it will be very beneficial in the long run so kudos to you for showing us that starting on a lower cc will build superior skills.

[@Schaaf]

You've got that right! Awesome! Thanks for letting me know!

[@brentlanyon4654]

Many a liter bike has been embarrassed in the Santa Cruz mountains by a motard with a much smaller engine!

[@kurvaonwheels]

Something light and nimble, like the Duke 890r or MT09 SP. But honestly , I would enjoy anything on a road like that

[@Schaaf]

True that

[@riderktm16]

130-140hp I think is the most hp I can really handle in the open roads without electronics. Nice video, as always✌️

[@MrGeati6783]

You 'maybe' pull this amount of power above 200km/h. If you believe you can handle that on a public road, stop riding immediately.

[@riderktm16]

@@MrGeati6783 I'm not using obviously 140hp all the time. My comment was that with 130-140hp I have more than enough power at most rpm in normal use, obviously I'm not using all the power every second, but with 40hp, for example, I have to run the engine at more rpm and do a more aggressive ride so with more power I can be more relax and the engine too. More than 140, for me, it's too much easy to loose control without any electronics. Under that, I can handle without no big problems. Obviously I'm not free of danger, I'm not saying that at all.

[@MrGeati6783]

@@riderktm16 thats a big problem of many engines used in motorcycles. Torque multiplied with revs is power. Low rpm and high torque engines are more efficient and have better use on public roads. Suzuki Bandit 1250 for example...108nm at 3700rpm with 98hp. Don't fool yourself with big numbers. Torque equals fun on a bike.

[@riderktm16]

@@MrGeati6783 yeah, because of that I kinda like “big engines” (also small 2 strokes hahaha). The last air cooled bmw boxer engine is sooooo good, and also the triumph paralel twin 1200cc✌️

[@Schaaf]

Thanks!!

[@PeterNolan-009]

Oh, i so wish i could still do that. Maybe in my next life..

[@remember8440]

What Happened?

[@PeterNolan-009]

@@remember8440 I am 60 now. I can't ride like this any more.

[@PeterNolan-009]

@@Oogerboogar4444 I am 60 now. I can't do this any more. I used to ride a Z650 when I was at university and I loved it. I rode that thing more than 50,000kms in 4 years I was at uni..

[@remember8440]

@@PeterNolan-009 It's never late for anything, especially to start over with a passion you have, you only live once, let's enjoy life till the end!

[@PeterNolan-009]

@@Oogerboogar4444 yep. There is no feeling like riding at high speed. I loved it. I sat right on 160kmph and that was a good comfortable pace for a Z650 in the early 80s. Great times...

[@brunocarmona4958]

Above 140hp starts to be unusable on the road. I have a Street Triple 675 with 105hp which is almost always at full throttle and also a 170hp Tuono V4 thar I rarely take to the redline on the road. So 130/140hp is perfect. The current Street Triple 765RS is the closest to the perfect road motorcycle that i can think of.

[@volt8684]

Except it’s a triumph😂

[@farmoboy83]

Its all subjective, i feel 60-70hp are enough for my riding style and not always on redline.

[@Schaaf]

Yea, to me it seems it's around the 100hp mark

[@capz3217]

Really, the thing I'd miss most about my V4 Factory is active suspension and the soundtrack. But I'm still considering downgrading to a 660 Factory in a few years, because it's really enough bike and power for me.

[@nogerboher5266]

You people are forgetting that these bikes are Adventure bikes that are built to cover large, large distances, with multiple gas fill-ups... Where this horsepower comes in handy is on long highway rides, giving you a much smoother and softer ride at much lower RPMs, on lower gears all while riding at the same speeds that you would be redlining on or be in higher gear on or both, on lower CC/HP bikes.

[@PeterNolan-009]

Its just amazing how nimble these bikes are now compared to 40 years ago. They must be really something to ride now.

[@grafzahl9745]

Yeah but they are way too expensive. A mere lifestyle product for 50 year old men 😀

[@PeterNolan-009]

@@grafzahl9745 Well they certainly cost a lot more than my second hand Z650 did in 1982 when I was a poor uni student, that's for sure! LOL!

[@Schaaf]

Absolutely. It is insane how little effort it takes to throw them into lean. Those bikes, especially the V4 Multi, are so well balanced.

[@PeterNolan-009]

@@Schaaf Yep, I can see it from the video. I have seen guys riding the triumph triples doing the same thing. Amazing. Back in the day we had to line up the corners from quite a distance.

[@PeterNolan-009]

​@@Schaaf You can look it up on google maps. There is a place called MacQuarie Pass New South Wales Australia. And we used to race up it back in the early 80s. Very similar to this road you are on. It's the "Illawarra Highway". Very steep. Lots of turns. Often wet.

[@madboxer666]

I love all types of bikes but I don't know why Adventure touring bikes are special for me and they melted me!!!

[@Schaaf]

That's great!

[@levarris14]

... und der Primärtrieb dieser wundervollen Desmo - Konstruktion singt sein einsames Lied ... Dieser Motor ist echt unschlagbar, meine Fresse ! Arg gutes Video, ich fahre gleich ... 😍😍😍

[@Schaaf]

Danke!

[@rhamjasrami3900]

~100HP to the wheel is enough imo. MT-09 engine in the form of the Tracer is the one for me!

[@MrGeati6783]

Best engine ever built.

[@Schaaf]

Nice

[@dvenohy1]

A month ago I bought MTS Rally, and I love the bike. To answer the question, I think 100HP is more than enough for road. However, I do not know why, but I absolutely love those 170HP in my MTS.... p.-s. I am not brave like you to record my rides and than post it...even with that blur 😜

[@Osprey1994]

Power depends on where you ride and how you ride. In the US, we have areas where you can stretch out a 200hp bike relatively well, and when you ride on the highway it's nice to have plenty of power on tap. If you live in an urban area or the city, you could get away with a Grom most likely.

[@dragonx_28]

Please showcase the multistrada v4 rs as soon as you can if you have time

[@dIsAstErTR]

That windshield has seen its share of bug kills.

[@Schaaf]

Correct

[@kukmica6422]

Mr. Schaaf, thank you for sharing!

[@Schaaf]

Thanks for listening

[@Chris5685]

Which bike is my choice? My CB500 of course. (And maybe I'd try a Benelli TRK 702 too.)

[@Schaaf]

YESSSS

[@redbull4fly797]

I would pick a good sounding naked like tuono, mt 9 or mt 10 ...

[@MrWolf2212]

MT10 is a good choice, but the MT09 is more than enough as well IMO

[@Schaaf]

Excellent choice!

[@IanTed]

Why I bought the V2S version, more than enough for my skill levels and age, I’ve moved down from much more powerful road bikes and enjoy riding far more, I could be tempted though😉🤣

[@Schaaf]

I also prefer the V2S over the V4

[@Thorsten_Kueppers]

I‘ve done the exact same thing. Had a big old heavy FJR 1300 and „downgraded“ to an Multi 950S. After two years I haven’t regret my decision at all, it‘s so much more fun to ride 👍🏻

[@TracumsIvars]

@@Thorsten_Kueppers I've just got y2002 FJR1300 in "like new" condition - always wanted it and just getting familiar with it. Yes, its a lot of motorcycle, even after CB1300! :D

[@SpecterSeventy2]

I Love my 23’ Pikes Peak Multi. One day Schaaf, you should come out to Tennessee in the US and take a ride on the ‘Tail of the Dragon’ and many of its near by twisty roads. 😁

[@Schaaf]

A nice road for sure but once you've been riding in Spain, Italy, France nothing tops these countries road-related

[@SpecterSeventy2]

@@SchaafNo way can I argue with that. 😂👍

[@Tommyslav1st]

I never sat on Multistrada, because they (Ducati in Slovakia) has little bit “very interesting” policy for testdrives. So I cannot judge , but I believe, that Multistrada is perfect bike. But from this reason of no test drive I decided last year for R1250GS. The biggest fail was exhibition in Bratislave, where you cannot sit on any bike..

[@aluisious]

What is the very interesting policy? If I hadn't been able to test ride a Multistrada, I wouldn't have bought one.

[@Schaaf]

Can't go wrong with a big GS :)

[@Tommyslav1st]

@@Schaaf agree vwith you. Your video was the last drip and I ordered GS Trophy 2023 :)

[@33Dermo]

Mal si ísť do banskej Štiavnice, tam by ti v pohode požičali, v Ba sú divní v Ducati.

[@rutukedarbhagwat1746]

Are there any chances of you getting to ride the triumph speed/scrambler 400s anytime soon?

[@Schaaf]

Maybe the Speed, hopefully

[@jonasbaine3538]

Which offroad capable adventure bike has best on-road handling? 1290, multiv4, 1300gs, ?

[@Itsallgoodbrah]

I really enjoy watching your videos. Could you do one on a 5th gen Honda VFR800Fi with the gear driven cams or a Blackbird.

[@Schaaf]

Unfortunately not

[@melvineenink7864]

I lost last year my driving license on the multi😂 Great bike

[@Schaaf]

Ouch :D

[@Floxiiik]

difficult, for that road? Sumo, like typical exc to sumo. But overall bike? 150-170 hp range like either tuono v4 factory or s1kR

[@Schaaf]

Nice!!

[@MrBretterpitt]

Die Multi kann man ja mit 170 PS ordentlich jagen. eventuell täuscht es nur ein Video aber Quickshifter scheint nicht so richtig fein zu schalten? In der PS Liga habe ich noch die S1000XR gefasst.

[@Schaaf]

Täuscht, ja. Der QS ist wirklich gut

[@lovethytuber4770]

Didn't feel overpowered to me since she is not a torque monster and delivers her power predictable. Also not to forget with around 250kg she's a little heavy (can't feel it while riding tho). Great Bike, easy to handle, definitely does not have too much power.

[@Schaaf]

I actually become a little scared in her top range :D

[@astramorikes224]

thank you for sharing!

[@Schaaf]

Thanks for commenting!

[@Thorsten_Kueppers]

For this kind of road I‘d choose a KTM 990 SMT, the old one!

[@Schaaf]

Yeeeeaaa

[@Szlejer]

I'd pick a supermoto 100%.

[@Schaaf]

Fine choice

[@devonellesse]

Me too. I hate giant gas tanks. They make me nervous

[@maxmax-yy3em]

I tuoi video sono sempre molto belli! Sarebbe bello sapere anche quali sono i tratti di strada percorsi, cioè indicare anche le località,o il nome della strada

[@Schaaf]

Thanks! I often add Google Maps to the video description but in this case I can't remember. It's been 3 years since this ride ;)

[@paolobaldacci8154]

Are you still in Sardinia? By sardinian Guzzi biker

[@Schaaf]

It's been more than two years since my last visit

[@fr00fro]

What tires did you have fitted? I am going to Sardinia again this year but the first time with my Multi V4S and wondering if I should deviate from the Pirelli ST2 that the bike comes as OEM

[@Schaaf]

Check description

[@fr00fro]

@@Schaaf sorry, didn't see. How did you like them in terms of handling on the road? Since I don't intend to do any offroading, I am looking for something mainly road focused

[@Westside7be]

enormously capable, enormously expensive (I rode the pikes Peak V4), but my god nowhere near the soul of my 916.

[@Schaaf]

That is probably true

[@umutdede9977]

Thanks🎉

[@Schaaf]

Thank YOU

[@capz3217]

Well, I'm taking my Tuono V4 to Sardinia in Septemeber, so I gues I made my choice (at least for this year). But it's definitely more than enough power.

[@Schaaf]

It will be awesome!!

[@capz3217]

@@Schaaf I'm counting on it. The wait is already killing me. 😁

[@marcinsmolinski903]

I have 110hp and driving in such a way that you do not lose your driving license is using about 30-50%

[@Schaaf]

Probably true

[@volt8684]

This is on/off/on / off gimme a lesser powered bike and be able to thrash it

[@Schaaf]

Yea

[@DGBomber]

The MT10?

[@Schaaf]

Yes!

[@abhijitbanerjee6840]

Love from India 🇮🇳 ♥️

[@Schaaf]

Love back from Austria!

[@buzzonbikes]

MT10 would be your pick?

[@Schaaf]

Well guessed ;)

[@HuberHeinrichHuber]

Hoi . Entweder, du fährst langsamer, oder ich muss ne Stunde früher starten 😊. Gruss Z400/cb 650R . Thailand 1959. Viel Spass 😊. Ps. Dir nach zu fahren, bedeutet für Mich, durch und durch geschwitzt, und das Ziel, immer noch in weiter Ferne 😊.

[@Schaaf]

Auf KZbin reicht zuschauen

[@HuberHeinrichHuber]

@@Schaaf Du machst mir Spass. Das gefällt mir. Schaue jedes Video von dir . Man kann immer etwas lernen ! Ps. Mir gefällt das du auch Kameramann bist . Habe selber von 1980 bis 2000 gefilmt . Familie Konzerte , und vieles mehr. Heute gibt’s besseres Zum Video machen. Dazumal hatten wir noch VHS KASSETTEN etc . Viel Spass .

[@aGentleUser]

Hard to say, my faster bike has 110HP and i barely can use that (only electronics is injection). For sure I wouldn't be able to do that on such kind of road. Moreover on a 4cyl engine the power & torque will come later, in the 2nd half of rpm band. But mostly on a public road I do not want to be in the highest rpm. So I guess using maybe 70-80PS feels already very exciting to me, with occasional spikes on longer straights... I also ride a NC which is no power beast but relatively torque. On such twisty roads its 50-55HP are as exciting to me as 110HP and I am barely slower with that, here I indeed can use ALL of the power the NC engine provides. Just the narrow band where it delivers power can be sometimes frustrating. There is a curvy road in my vincinity where I have to shift down to 2nd for 1-2 seconds but then I am instantly again in the rev limiter, staying in 3rd however feels to slow in most bends there.

[@Schaaf]

Thanks for sharing!!

[@nicowrathz2243]

i guess i'd bring my '23 MT10 SP

[@Schaaf]

Excellent choice! Probably the best ;)

[@kugangles9860]

I'd go with my XR for this road.

[@Schaaf]

Awesome!!

[@armandomateus5103]

"How much power is too much power"? For me, it depends most on the rider's skills, and/or also if the chassis can cope with the engine power. So, it's relative 😉.

[@Schaaf]

Makes sense :)

[@gokulkrishm51]

There's no such thing as too much power. Only too little traction 🗿🗿

[@Schaaf]

Well said, Gokul ;)

[@jaffabaffa]

I have the exact same phone holder, but cut out the plastic. Unreadable otherwise

[@Schaaf]

My phone's not waterproof anymore so I quite like it

[@GuyBrooke]

What phone holder is it please?

[@jaffabaffa]

@@GuyBrooke OptiLine Opti-Sized XL

[@GuyBrooke]

@@jaffabaffa Thanks!

[@remember8440]

❤

[@Schaaf]

Thanks

[@S1000rr_vad]

Never enough

[@Schaaf]

Hehehe

[@angelodaniele641]

This is my bike. Power isn't enough, never. But.... You have more consumption, more heat, a bit more weight (if they make a little V4 also all the bike if it's a little sister could be less weight)... So I wish for a little bit less power and a little bit less of every thing else.

[@aluisious]

19 inch wheel, and the size of the V4 is enormous. I ride the 2016 1200S. I don't care for how big they made the Multis. Mine was already big.

[@angelodaniele641]

@@aluisious I had all multi's... I'm short and 62kilos.... Yes size are getting to big. But hp now are more easy to use than before. First multi 1200 with more intrusive electronics no inertial platform a big twin .. or If you ever drove a Streetfighter 1098s you can remember what is something not so easy ... I wish for a little one at the end of the year. Hp doesn't make scares you should search for hp .. weight is always there instead.

[@Schaaf]

Hehehe everytime I ride a bike like that I feel the same. It can't be enough :D

[@angelodaniele641]

@@Schaaf what is your personal bike?

[@TracumsIvars]

That's the beast not a motorcycle!

[@Schaaf]

Thanks

[@DJAceBlack]

This engine in a Monster but not in an adventure bike 😅

[@Schaaf]

Yes please

[@TheAdamAdy]

Needs exshaust swap asap 😏

[@Schaaf]

It already has an Akrapovic :D

[@TheAdamAdy]

@@Schaaf No wayyy, it sounds like Porsche with original exhaust

[@unlikemike6884]

I think you'd choose the MT10 instead 😉

[@Schaaf]

Probably

[@alakewood7853]

😀👍

[@Schaaf]

Thanks

[@PaulPunk23LP]

There is not really "too much power". Your wrist decides how much power you use.

[@saddle8bag]

Heh. You're paying for them to create a smokin hot engine and then paying even more for them to install a mess of electronics/software to attenuate it so that you don't kill yourself. You could go down the same road at the same speed on something much simpler, cheaper, and less powerful.

[@non-woodsmanuk]

@@saddle8bag You could walk too & save a packet. V4s has a hell of an engine. Smiles per mile

[@aluisious]

Wrong. There is too much power. My Multistrada is too powerful. When I can't use all the power anywhere except a freeway ramp for one second, it's too powerful. I will buy a less powerful bike next time. Let's see your wrist pin the throttle at 9500rpm on a back road.

[@Schaaf]

Indeed, the Multistrada is SO powerful that even I rarely ever get to make use of it

[@non-woodsmanuk]

@@aluisious Nothing more depressing than throttle stops.