How Much Slower Does A Cheap Bike Climb?

[@gcntech]

What other tests would you like to see us do with the Eurobike?

[@JoopLammerts]

I'm wondering what "bang for upgrades" will do on this bike. So better tyres, better wheels. And so on.

[@milanstojic3304]

Realistically, doing flat track, under expectations that someone buying 250 pound bike would have. Unrealistically, drop it from a helicopter with a jetpack attached.

[@rogercmerriman]

@@JoopLammerts I’d think swap out the calipers for something better might be first call with better levers, and maybe some bar end shifters? Followed by some decent tires/saddle etc.

[@JoopLammerts]

@@rogercmerriman yes! But that would be already a bit more money

[@love2wheels748]

Lots of people aim to complete their first true century ride ( real century 100 miles none of that kilometre fake 100 ) ide love to see if your most average member of cast could ride a full on hyper bike and keep up with your fittest cast member on the Euro bike!

[@andrewmcalister3462]

Given the number of videos produced about it, the Eurobike has to be GCN's best value purchase. 😀

[@aurangzebbajwa5699]

Eurobike is a national treasure

[@madyogi6164]

@@aurangzebbajwa5699 You have my vote for that! I have nothing against them. Thanks to Eurobike, I have my "old dog" (as someone named it under one of GCN topics) running. It's 2010 era build, based upon Tiagra/Ultegra parts; when both things were 9 speeds compatible. Their stores around Europe are a good source of spare parts!

[@tecmalo6857]

It even had cameos on GTN. This bike is has seen some real shit in its life :O

[@tomkunich9401]

17 kg??? My Trek Alpha 1.5 with Campagnolo Centaur 11 speed manual with decent wheels weighs 17.5 lbs without flat kit and water bottle and set me back $1,000 used. I should pay 1/4th that to get a new bike that weighs 3 times as much.

[@alancritchley8835]

Proves low income very talented athletes can beat mass marketed brand savvy fops. He can now use the money he saved , to go to rain soaked England , and stand at the top of winnats pass with his own defibrillator to shock the next over paid manager director collapsing on his 8k bike and still money left to say all the kit and still Sh😂t

[@billcodey1430]

Oscar: This isnt safe. Ollie: Uncomfortable isnt it.

[@steffenandersensahl9443]

And don't forget, The view is nice lol.

[@markhaneklaus282]

Both are wrong here. It is an absolute safe way to loose or not make a friend. Just suply him or her with an Eurobike and you are done comfortably

[@mrAdrian01215]

So Oscar, 58kg, averaged 277W for around 52min. That's almost 4.8w/kg 🔥🔥🔥

[@gcntech]

We were very impressed!!

[@nihilisticfella]

Freakin BEAST!!

[@benkoh178]

weighing 58kg as a grown up man is also pretty impressive

[@weerawarakul1817]

Ofc, he once rode for Cervelo test Team😁

[@madyogi6164]

@@benkoh178 Oxygen goes to the longs (I get that), but he must have taught his liver to digest nitrogen, somehow...

[@johnbeaver3911]

This is the third time I saw this bike on GCN shows. I happened to have this bike with Shimano Sora groupset, a little bit better version. It is my first road bike. It gives me a chance to be familiar with all aspects of modern road cycling at the lowest cost. Yes, it is much heavier than it looks like. To handle tough road, I replaced the factory tires with solid tires, this makes it even heavier. But once you are riding, it does decent job. I use it for training, so heavier bike is actually better for growing muscles. When I am familiar with every part of a road bike and become experienced, stronger road cyclist, i bought inexpensive carbon frame and parts to build my own racing bike and enjoy the different results. I don't complain this bike and regret the buying decision, I learned a lot about road bike by dissembling and assembling it, trying some DIY and customizations on it, which I might not want to do on my more expensive road bike. I still ride it when the weather or road is tough, because it is like a tank, slow but sturdy. Like the presenter said, don't always think about the bike weight, enjoy the ride and beautiful outdoor view.

[@tasteit9719]

This is not a bike! It just looks like a bike.

[@johnpemberton6227]

Alex pushing 300 watts like its nothing...LOL

[@MattSwain1]

I think Alex was being generous to the Eurobike describing it as entry-level! You’d really have to shop around if you wanted to build a road bike that was that heavy 😂

[@whatwelearned]

Me, a Domane owner: *awkward seal face*

[@Azzy_Mazzy]

@@whatwelearned isn’t most of the domane extra weight from the wheels?

[@rossontinternet]

Probably worth more weighing it in as scrap at £150 tonne, mortgage paid off with that bad boy 🤪

[@Fred_the_1996]

Ikr, my 1970s steel bike with steel wheels weighs waaay less than that shitbox lol

[@ubobu3613]

It was a mistake buying this bike but any way i have aero'd it by using sarmon tape,it's unbelievably fast now.

[@unfab]

Oscar: im suffering on the climb and in fear for my life on the descent, please dont buy this bike Ollie: but the switchbacks and the view😍🏔💁‍♂️

[@roberttell1587]

Kudos to Oscar. Whole thing seemed like an elaborate prank and he took it all in stride.

[@chiltleazcatzin]

he got trolled.

[@dlevi67]

@@chiltleazcatzin He got trolleyed. Meaning: 'given a supermarket trolley to ride'.

[@krisjones74]

He was breathing heavy from the first pedal stroke. That bike is a beast in the worst sense of the word.

[@andrei0525]

You need to do this with a proper budget bike, something like an entry level Triban which is under 1000€ but really well specced…maybe together with a mid level bike around the 3-4k€ mark…

[@diedrino]

Triban RC120 or RC500 would be nice

[@themindgarage8938]

A long time ago they pitted a Canyon Endurance AL 7.0 (at the time £900 and one of the cheapest 105 bikes, probably gone up a lot since then) against a superbike. But I agree they should have used something like a Triban. The Eurobike is £100 of functionality and £150 of trying to look fancy whereas the entry-level Triban is £300 of just functionality.

[@MrMichaelfalk]

agree - maybe the biachi via nirone

[@PedroCstify]

Agreed. It would be much fairer to use a budget bike that’s guaranteed to function properly. Personally speaking, I have a RC120 and it would be really helpful

[@playandteach]

Absolutely. a £500 second hand find would be fine.

[@ltu42]

That's not an entry level road bike, it's a "bike shaped object" that supermarkets sell and bike shops loathe.

[@christiancondin4496]

Ollie getting dropped, Eurobike and Cervelo Test Team. GCN Bingo 😂

[@AnonUser7887]

True that

[@JWhitneyInc]

When I worked in a bike shop, I would steer people towards aluminum 105 equipped bikes if they were looking for budget, but long term and reliable. On a harder budget and just dipping their toes in, I always felt sora/tiagra (which have only gotten better) were good bets, but the brakes at that level were almost universally junk. The eurobike seen here reminds me of a bike we would see out of walmart here in the states. Basically a disposable item. As soon as it needs a tune up and tires, the repairs cost nearly as much as the bike.

[@Bluesman2509]

Frankly Shimano should stick to 105 Ultegra and DA and just scrap the shirty cheap stuff.

[@peterfranzjr.1190]

The group set of the people

[@TheSpaceBrosShow]

@@Bluesman2509 oooo look at cool mr edgy moneybags here

[@Bluesman2509]

@@TheSpaceBrosShow Sora Tiara and Claris is absolute junk, doesn't belong on Road bikes only cheap hybrids.

[@okantichrist]

@@Bluesman2509 At least their budget cranks don’t fail like DA and Ultegra 😉

[@peterliljebladh]

Over the past year I've mostly ridden a couple of cheap €250 bikes due to injury. They're not as light, fast or pleasing to the eye but does the job of taking me from point A to point B despite several thousand meters of elevation. The most important aspect is that you enjoy the ride no matter the tool.

[@turtleneck369]

true i agree with this,it is def harder but then when you switch to something faster lighter its just feel so much easier

[@Chronostra]

Also, no worries to left the bike out when shopping or in a cafe in a bling means snatch environment like my area sadly

[@Mububban23]

5:09 aaaaand there goes Ollie out the back door 😀 The speed at which the ex-pro presenters can climb is just staggering. Most of us wish we were half as fit as Ollie! 14km and nothing under 6.5% ?!?!? Brutal.

[@biffgordon8468]

I would like to see something like a Top Gear Challenge. 3 presenters get £1000 each to buy a new bike, pedals, and kit. Then do a sportif! We need to encourage new riders, showing them there are affordable alternatives to get into the sport.

[@nyssaalghul1897]

They did this long ago with like... Just 100 pounds, then raced. I'd also like to watch a higher end version of the challenge

[@simonwoodthrillerwriter]

I'm glad the video focused on the braking aspect too. I had a Cannondale CAAD9 back in the day. Great bike but terrible brakes that came as stock. Mountain descents were dicey. Upgrading the brakes for $100 was money well spent. It taught me to pay attention to componentry when it came to buying a bike.

[@alemaodownhill]

Every time I see Ollie getting dropped I feel that I would be that guy that feels sorry and joins him. Not because I’m unfit of course, just because I feel sorry

[@kon1402]

I love it how they made it look that Ollie got suddenly un-dropped. They had to wait for him otherwise that would be disastrous advertisement for Pinarello and Zipp. 😂

[@FuzzyAason]

It was mentioned in the video that he was hitting the gym hard the day before to improve his sprinting.@@kon1402

[@arunp.p.6577]

At one point of vedio Ollie was ahead of them midway( drone shot ) , if not wrong . Still love Ollie for his presentation and he is the Mr.Cool in group.

[@zjohnson8042]

Would love to see a realistic cheap bike like a second hand CAAD 8 (bought one for a friend for £250) rather than a bike no one would actually buy! In fact, a series on the best way/bikes to buy second hand would be amazing.

[@11-inch]

My caad12 dura ace is 6kg

[@iancuk]

Unfortunately Secondhand Caad 8 price in my country is about 1000 USD 😂😂

[@dominicbritt]

Fully agree - I don’t think the Eurobike I’ve should be used as it’s probably a little unsafe… go for cheap bikes that work. Still watching now fear for Oscar on the descent…😳

[@chrisridesbicycles]

100% agreed. I think as soon as we are getting to a 90s bike with STI shifters, the Eurobike is distanced instantly. Even a downtube shifters 105 bike in good condition mights be better as long as you invest in new tires and brake pads.

[@wonderwatch2239]

Wouldn’t be a possibility, to bring in a big brand like cannondale, and have it match up to the channel sponsored super bikes, it could go terribly wrong, if you know what I mean 😳

[@tussk.]

I did a bit of searching for the worst and cheapest components that I could find, and even then I couldnt get near the 17kg the Eurobike weighs without going back 15-20 years and buying steel. How the manufacturers managed to make such a gigantic POS is a marvel of engineering.

[@chrispalmer3096]

The frame is made from low grade steel. It probable weighs about 12 kgs by itself.

[@TobiMcTobeface]

Finally, someone who rode for the Cervélo test team on GCN 🖖🏻

[@DeTaPix]

Did you fly Eurobike to Spain or was it cheaper to buy another one there?

[@nuttynut722]

I suppose the camera boy bring the bike with him with his ticket, so that way don't really cost GCN a penny

[@Aeronwor]

You couldn't fly it to spain, its too heavy for tha plane.

[@markj.a351]

@@nuttynut722 These guys have a full production team, not a "camera boy".

[@mightymouse4143]

I tried talking a buddy out of buying one of these years ago but he didn't listen. 🤦 It got stolen so I geuss the joke is on the one who stole it 🤣

[@TheSpaceBrosShow]

It's incredibly difficult and frustrating trying to convince beginners that these 'good deals' are just a waste of money

[@Benri05]

@@TheSpaceBrosShow the only advantage is that they'll be way stronger when they upgrade to much lighter bike lol

[@OLICIT]

I’d say the Eurobike is below entry level, it’s more like a road-bike knock-off

[@OLICIT]

@Yippee Skippy 😂😂

[@nomadcarpenter8549]

@Yippee Skippy you mean p.o.s

[@red5standingby44]

In 2015 I bought a Planet X alloy using cycle to work scheme. It was on sale too, so cost a total of about £400. Tiagra 10spd. Wheel upgrade once is about all. It's done Alpe d'Huez, croix de fer, Ventoux, some other minor Alps climbs, some of the N Yorks Moors and the horrors that are the Yorkshire Dales (never again!). No speed records broken but I wasn't aiming too. Still going strong and I won't be spending oodles of cash any time soon for something "fancy". Sometimes cheap doesn't mean nasty!!

[@gerardgrimes6248]

This is great but can't help but think using a entry level "proper bike" like the RC120 from decathlon would be a more "everyman" kind of test?

[@Mark-hs3tl]

I completely agree

[@gerhardw.933]

I think the Eurobike was the cheapest available. Generally, the whole comparison of the cheapest and a Pinarello is just senseless, Oscar has been abused with the low quality bike. Why didn't the presenters ride the Eurobike? A 'capable' bike is relative, physics and prices are not...

[@casakaiser]

Yes. But are we here for the realistic comparison or for trashing happily away at the Infamous Eurobike ?

[@christopheparisse9499]

Oscar might win it on the RC120, so it's not fun 🙂

[@diegoleiva7242]

Yeah. No one in their right mind would buy the Eurobike. It's for clueless buyers with no friends and/or psychopaths only. The Triban is everywhere and for good reason. Even a RC100 would be a better comparison, gravel tires and everything.

[@Hintonbro.]

For the record , there are many cable actuated disc brakes can handle any H/C descent… just not these ones .

[@Arfonfree]

Watching this convinces me that the real secret to having fun on a bike is better friends.

[@Solarsystem50]

I think Ollie made a very good point about drive trail efficiency. It would be cool to compare the Eurobike frame with a good tires and Top of the line drive train.

[@krisjones74]

My experience has been that even cheap bikes are decent when new, but after a few strong riders have done a ride on it I’d bet the drivetrain has started to get worn and the bike is much slower.

[@pretzelhunt]

The same is true, as Louis said, for the frame quality-- as soon as the more robust components get pushed with torques they'll wear into fittings of the lesser-built frame and then, themselves, function less truly. Do we need to see 900$ calipers limited by 65$ rotors?

[@davidadamus177]

I wouldn't want to ride it without decent brakes. That's a deal breaker if you don't come back from the ride in one piece.

[@mrvwbug4423]

It's running Shimano Tourney, so old style freewheel cassette which means no upgrade on those wheels. You could definitely take at least a couple kg off with decent alloy wheels and even a mid-tier drivetrain like 105. Though you probably can't put good cranks on it either due to square taper BB.

[@Megadeth6633]

@@mrvwbug4423 change the BB and you can put any crank you want dufus

[@XR4turbo]

Before the pandemic apocalypse (2018) I managed to get a brand new CAAD12 105 for $800 at an end of summer sale. I still can't believe how much of a deal that was...I don't think you can even get a 105 groupset for that cheap anymore, if you can even find one. Hopefully one day we'll see deals like that again without resorting to Eurobike...

[@Chronostra]

Well, I got a Polygon Strattos S5 with a full 105 for 6.5Mil IDR (around 450USD ish). But then again it was 13-14Mil IDR (1k USD) brand new.

[@Sklouchechi]

I like how they stopped the shoot for ollie to catch up, brotherhood right there

[@13ballom]

I dont understand how Ollie cant keep up with the Eurobike with what is arguably the one of the best roadbike on the planet right now.

[@mikkojolkkonen5932]

Off season. He trained for autumn and was in a beast of a condition. Or he dropped behind as scripted so Alex and Oscar can have a talk.

[@ericvollmer8820]

Or…he was riding with two former pro riders… bike matters, but only so much when the other riders are absolute beasts!

[@isaac-mihaiperianu6425]

Hey GCN, maybe next time try a real Entry level Road bike like Triban RC500 (Shimano Sora) or RC520 (Shimano 105) - these 2 are cheap but also way better value than the fancy looking slow and heavy Eurobike. These 2 weight about 10.7 killos and have really good specs for the money.

[@bengt_axle]

The advantage of the Eurobike is that it has a kickstand. Not even the $10K PInarello has one.

[@kenblair2538]

I think Oscar , might have said ," you can take that bike, and stick it were the sun doesn't shine" ?. Great video , always love watching the weekend specials. KB

[@dougpence3862]

How about a series done with a new bike costing just under 1,000 euro (before taxes)? The 3 digit bike vs 4 digit bike vs 5 digit bike. Might draw in more interest and surprises.

[@Mark-hs3tl]

Exactly

[@janeblogs324]

I've bought and sold 3x sub 10kg sub $60usd used roadbikes this year. All would be a better purchase than this Amazon steelie or a 1000 euro new bike

[@curtvaughan2836]

As with a lot of things, the higher the price, the more diminished the improvements. A $1000 bike might be twice as perceptibly good as a $500 one, but a $10000 bike would likely not be ten times better than the $1000 specimen. At the higher end, marketing / status has more influence on price. Custom bicycles are generally the most expensive, by far, but they are relatively rare with a small, but lucrative customer base willing to pay.

[@petoprotus]

yea, normal entry level road bike vs super road bike would be more realistic test. But I guess the difference would be small.

[@triscuitbiscuit]

Alex: Acting like he is taking a nice leisurely walk Oscar: Acting like he has been riding up Alpe d'Huez for 24 hours straight

[@juliusandres1730]

5:09 Another classic "Ollie got dropped" video.

[@evandarling699]

I would absolutely love to see you guys add better components one at a time testing them in between to see if you can make it a reasonable bike...something many people do with a low or mid spec frame they get second hand...also to see which upgrade rules them all! Keep up the great work!!

[@Joshua-dx7zn]

I feel Oscar's pain. Being 59kg myself, that extra weight going up mountains is so much more than someone who is a heavier rider. I just wish I had one of those 7kg superbikes like the GCN crew.

[@ronwhite8503]

59kg....extra weight! Fecking hell, the only time I was 59kg I think I was twelve. At least I have an excuse for being a piss-poor climber.

[@Joshua-dx7zn]

@@ronwhite8503 I've been this weight (basically) since I was in high school and I'm 42 now.

[@PRH123]

Just imagine there was a 2nd you, riding on your back in a backpack, and that would be me… :(

[@Joshua-dx7zn]

@@PRH123 well I would hope to have at least 50% more power. Doubling my weight without the added power would be tough. I don't think pushing 260lbs with 190 watts would work too well.

[@carpvictor1214]

Ollie is on the most advanced bike and still getting dropped🤣

[@LuisAlvarezTorres]

Question! How did Ollie catch up with them so fast after gotten dropped? Nice bluff Ollie! (Reminded me the 2001 Stage 10 of the Tour de France when Lance Armstrong fool everybody until he reached Alpe d'Huez and caught up and passed everyone)

[@joeinglesfield]

It was a no drop group ride

[@casakaiser]

Maybe get the motorcycle drag him up again ?

[@kenneth8477]

The weight of the bike teaches your body to exert more power than your comfort zone and it means that it is good to measure what you can do on a hill climb and flats, great for training indeed!

[@kantongkresek3261]

No matter what test you guys do. When ollie get dropped, it was good test 😇

[@RoScFan]

Wow, a road bike as heavy as my entry level mountain bike! Amazing! I doubt my bike's breaks would ever cook like that though... they're still entry level and cable actuated but I doubt THAT would happen.... then again my back break is a rim brake so... More room to dissipate heat i guess.

[@rovinnaz6569]

I love this content. I hope you present more budget friendly bikes that are economically reachable to the everyday customer. Thanks!!! 🥰

[@tasteit9719]

it is completely useless video

[@thedronescene7474]

GCN = Same old videos but with new presenters. Is a never ending loop.

[@ragwort3369]

There's also the psychological effect of using a bike you know to be substandard. Just like with any good quality tool, knowing you've got a top-notch piece of kit to use makes the whole experience more pleasurable. A cheap and nasty thing like the Eurobike would never make its rider feel like that!

[@hadoukenken]

here's a suggestion. After all your tests on the Eurobike, why don't you upgrade it and see how much better you can make it? go all out on the upgrades.

[@jon65160]

You guys missed a trick. The ventus gtx1 is £149.99 on amazon, a good £100 cheaper than the eurobike. Get Oscar back and send him up on the gtx1. He’ll love it.

[@dbenzhuser]

All the photos I can find of the Ventus GTX1 have the stem facing backwards ... what even is this?

[@Jean-jk4zv]

lol it looks exactly the same for only 150€ how is it possible ? 😂

[@aarongoldstein1062]

That one definitely doesn't look safe. Is the stem is on backwards?

[@ЛадаЙовович]

I have two old Soviet retro bikes (though converted to modern components and equipment) - HVZ (Kharkiv Bicycle Factory) "Sputnik" of 1972 (when it was produced, the manufacturer positioned it as a "light road" or sports/tourist (the concept of touring or gravel in those years did not exist yet) on an iron frame (not chrome-molybdenum, but ordinary iron) and it weighs with mud protection, a rear trunk, and an old-school aluminum aerobar installed - 17 kg (this is with 37mm wide rain/snow tires with anti-puncture (Continental Contact) while it has 3 stars in front (48/38/28), and 8 in the back (ratchet with a range of 12 - 30 teeth), and old-school switches at the bottom of the frame and without fixed gear. But it has aluminum wheel rims, and a ram. And with all this, it weighs as much as your Euro Bike (which has no aerobar, no mud protection, no trunk at the back). The second one is also the Start-Highway 1990, it is a sports road bike (this is the classic most common road sports bike of the USSR times), it has 25 mm tires (Continental Ultra Sport Kevlar) he has the FSA Vero 50/39/30 system in front, and an 8-speed cassette 11 - 30 from the rear, he has a carbon saddle, and an aerobar, aluminum wheels, a ram, and a seatpost, and a frame made of chrome-molybdenum alloy (the frame without a fork weighs 2.2 kg), and in this configuration, with a bag full of tools and a spare camera, he weighs 14.2 kg. Both bikes have classic pliers/crab brakes on the rim, and also classic switches on the lower tube of the frame, without fixed gears. Both bikes are used as household and training. Including for long-distance trips (that's literally only 04. 02. 2022 I went to the "Start Highway" 101 km, with a climb of 1000 m, for a task on Strava. Maybe I'm used to them, but they don't seem to weigh much less than your Euro Bike (or the same), and they don't cause me any problems. I consider them reliable training bikes that are difficult to break, easy to repair, and also hardly anyone will want to steal them. At the same time, I manage to take the King of the Mountain to Strava, on these bicycles. Moreover, on some segments with an absolute (both male and female) record (on some sections with average speeds of 48 km/ h (and as much as possible I accelerated them somewhere up to 72-75 km/h (downhill)). I do not experience any problems with the classic brakes in the rim (the brakes are installed of a modern model, not a brand, ordinary Chinese with Aliexpress). So, this kind of bicycles may well be used as a cheap alternative - in fact, a riding exercise bike. And by the way, I live in a mountainous area, in the foothills of the Caucasus, and I constantly have to go uphill, then downhill.

[@RichsRidesandRestorations]

I’ve actually seen one of these bikes “in the wild”, chained up outside someone’s door, getting rustier and rustier as each month goes by… maybe they’re just novelty garden ornaments and not actually meant to be ridden?

[@Zzyyxx22]

5:10 Ollie what’s happening? Out the back ☹️

[@himaxdvd]

The sense of pain and anguish in Oscar’s voice was felt vicariously. Poor bloke!!!

[@01FozzyS]

And the Eurobike lives for another day. Next up: enter some small local race on it.

[@casakaiser]

Second that

[@nerdexproject]

Well descending on this thing would scare the crap out of me!😂

[@spin2win721]

Best video proof proving it’s the rider and not the bike.

[@Aeronwor]

I still can't get over the fact, that eurobike is heavier than my 30+ year old road bike. It would be interesting to see how eurobike compares to an old bike after it has recieved some tlc (like 100£ bike and 200£ spent on it).

[@fisharefriends598]

Honestly… it’s a great bike. For the money that bikes been on more holidays then I’ve had since lock down

[@bosanderspublictheology]

I so appreciate that you even ATTEMPT experiments like this.Thank you.

[@SignorLuigi]

Just blown away that Oscar could get up that mountain in 52 minutes on that piece of 💩. Bravo, Oscar!!! 👏👏👏🙇‍♂️🙇‍♂️🙇‍♂️‼️

[@HYP3RK1NECT]

Dos cosas son seguras: 1.Ollie tiene que pedalear mas este tipo de cerro con la eurobike para mejorar su capacidad física. Obviamente cambiando algunos componentes sin perder el peso original. 2.Ambos tienen que aprender español.

[@bejo-108]

Oscar is a real sport. My goodness, no back break....

[@djokotriono7787]

13:24 that was awesome the heat on the disk

[@migatron1]

Nice timing, I was thinking about this subject yesterday!

[@ravennexusmh]

oscar needs to ride that on every hill climb, he would be even more beastly on climbs on his normal bike haha. there's grades of cable brakes. budget ones are utter rubbish. my TRP spyres. are much much better.

[@paulbusby2013]

Although I'd never use cable discs, those TRPs are at the top of the tree from many reports. 3 of us hired cheap MTBs for a holiday on the IoW a few years back. All 3 had cheapo cable discs - all 3 were equally dangerous so we only rode them twice they were so bad.

[@Justin-zv4cm]

I'll second that. I have two bikes with mechanical discs, both outfitted with TRPs. I've swapped out to TRPs on a couple other bikes for friends, and they are beyond thrilled with them.

[@paulbusby2013]

@@Justin-zv4cm - out of interest, would you ever go from hydraulic discs to TRPs if you were given all the parts to do so?

[@Justin-zv4cm]

@@paulbusby2013 No, as the hydraulic brakes are still superior as far as performance goes. No to mention that it would be a reasonably huge pain in the butt to replace the hydro lines with cable housings. In short, it's A LOT of work to take a step backwards.

[@paulbusby2013]

@@Justin-zv4cm That sounds pretty sensible! The reason I asked was that certainly one rider on the CUK forums stated he'd gone from hydraulic to TRP which I thought was nuts. I had problems with a rear brake where I replaced the disc (it was worn but not the issue), bled the brakes for the very first time, the pads looked fine, weren't glazed etc but replacing them (after sanding them), solved the lack of power so hydraulic brakes are not that difficult to work on. Never did work out why those pads didn't work - maybe counterfeit.

[@rdub-yah3880]

cool video, its great you've got so much use out of the eurobike. no other eurobike will have done things like this. I have 1 question; how did Olly teleport back on after being dropped?

[@durianriders]

Id be a 1000quid this Eurobike is WAY stiffer than my S-Works SL7 lol

[@nawaal4452]

😂

[@Ohh695]

Oh wait no one cares

[@marcivan5381]

@@Ohh695 ur mom

[@Ohh695]

@@marcivan5381 is a very nice lady i know thank you

[@kevinhoffmann3713]

Alex and Ollie having casual conversation all the way up, while Oscar is dying next to them.

[@NunoJoel]

In the end legs is all that matter!! Great job Oscar 👌

[@robbchastain3036]

Loving life on that beautiful climb, that cheap bike was probably humming to itself something along the lines of I believe I can fly.

[@artistglyn]

That guy deserves a medal. And you guys should have ridden it as well.

[@kennedystuart5685]

Wicked video and even more spectacular climb. You guys made it look easy. Well done guys.

[@vipergtsrgt1]

The Eurobike is $279 on Amazon right now. I’d love to see how much better it could be made through free upgrades (i.e.: removing kickstand) and spending another $279. For example, a Tiagra groupset can get close to that price when it’s on sale and would be a huge improvement.

[@madyogi6164]

6:10 It's not an entry level... Beginner sitting on that kind of thing would hate cycling once and for eternity. Entry level would have a light aluminium frame, some carbon fork (tapered usually). Equipment would be something from Claris/Sora grade (when talking about Shimano) or would be made out of parts thet felt off the main charts but would still be fine to use. I would say 11-12 kilo (maks) is a very good starting point. This one is a brick!

[@michadebicki6534]

They will never do such a comparision. I bought in 2018 a Felt FR40 Tiagra brand new for like 800 $ It was 8.8 kg stock, full tiagra groupset, I just bought a stiffer Vision Trimax wheelset for it, good tires and ultegra rim brakes - it was a hell of the bike for the money! I never felt "underpowered" with such a setup for probably 1200 bucks for the whole thing. They won't do such comparision because it would clearly suggest, that the expensive crap which they are pulling in front of the audience every single time - it' pointless. Better, yes but marginally and there's no need for so expensive gear to have quality fun. Especially for the beginner who would be more than happy with buget setup like mine some years ago or some decathlon 600$ triban.

[@madyogi6164]

@@michadebicki6534 For $800 it's a steal! When I was interested in checking parts, Tiagra sort of got stuck at 10 speeds. So it was in between 9-11 parts. One couldn't upgrade or downgrade without changing nearly everything! Was it Shimano best marketing move? Not sure. As for me, I'm nearly 43 (so bit old for a biker) and my bike isn't young either (12 years) but the technology is like 14 years old. Mix of Tiagra and Ultegra, when they were all 9 speeds compatible. Late 2018, I was also hit by a car (pretty seriously, ending up with quite few metal parts inside). I had to agree with myself and realise, I won't be any faster any more. Don't need more modern stuff. Yes, I made the bike thinner and thinner over years (It's 8.9 kilo now). So perfectly fine bike. I just can't wait for some sunny day to have a ride... So, enjoy whatever you use out there. Cheers!!!

[@Chronostra]

@@michadebicki6534 but aren't GCN also preach the diminishing returns on bikes above 1k USD from time to time? I often heard it mentioned in GCN show, tech and other videos

[@michadebicki6534]

@@Chronostra From time to time - maybe. But the whole channel is stuffed wit product placements, sponsorship and most expensive options available and 90% of the time they're shouting how great and necessary these options are. Clothing, glasses, parts, bikes for thousands and thousands of dollars. So one hint from time to time doesn't change much in my opionion.

[@arunp.p.6577]

GCN could have added more insight to viewers by comparing it with a proper entry / mid / high end bike at a controlled power. But still appreciate the thought process for normal user.

[@mctaggm]

Nobody: Oli: But look at the view 👀😮 Oscar literally riding down the hill in terror Oli: But look at the view 👀😮

[@sherab2078]

Ok... Taking a few more minutes getting uphill isn't really a big problem from my personal perspective. But this overheated brakes on the descent... this gave me the crips honestly. And the jump from the mechanic to hydraulic brakes isn't exactly the cheapest. I don't have any epic mountains in my neighbourhood, so this is not a big problem on local rides. But this gives me a warning to not take my entry-level gravel bike into the mountains on my next summer holidays. Thanks for another interesting video!

[@retroonhisbikes]

And i thought my old steel mountain bike was heavy at 11kg. What did they build that bike from solid steel bar with lead counter weights

[@chrisridesbicycles]

11kg is pretty light for a steel MTB. I guess the wheels of the Eurobike are based on train wheels

[@truthseeker8483]

I have a 25 year old road bike that I have lightened as much as possible with 1X and titanium fasteners and it is still 11.6kg.....

[@johnbeaver3911]

The deep wheels are made of aluminum, don't be fooled by the 'Carbon' sticker on the wheel.

[@Ruggine85]

Oscar was great but, come on lads, it was a deliberate set up! It’s obvious that the Eurobike is built to be the best aero possible. Like many TT/triathlon bikes, weight is secondary. If you really want to see it shine, slap some aerobars on it and have Ollie the aero-master launch it to space.

[@savagepro9060]

9:40 Ollie: We did it in a time of 52.59 seconds! Me: That's a lie. You did it in a time of 52.59 MINUTES!

[@The1trueDave]

I realise you have to judge cheap bikes by different standards but it blows my mind that this thing weighs 17kg. In my garage I have a sit-up-and-beg roadster from 1940 with enclosed chaincase, Sturmey Archer hub gear and Brooks leather saddle which is only 1kg heavier than that! I mean how have they managed to make it that heavy? That takes *effort* :-)

[@douglaspate9314]

Lugs make of lead?

[@themindgarage8938]

Those deep-section wheels they put on it to look cool? Pretty sure those are made of STEEL. There's a reason even aluminium wheels top out at 35mm depth - they'd just become insanely heavy.

[@michadebicki6534]

@@themindgarage8938 you can buy Veltec AL which are 47 or 48 mm deep, fully aluminium and below 1800 g mark.

[@casakaiser]

It’s probably the sticker that says “carbon” on the wheels that tops it over the 17 kg mark.

[@THEoldgreydude]

Isn't there another GCN presenter who used to ride for the Cervelo test team ? Just can't think of his name Don't think he ever talks about it LOL

[@mrAdrian01215]

"Hold my beer" "Got it, what now?" "Now give it back to me"

[@simonalexandercritchley439]

How is it possible to make a modern bike weigh 17 kg,and flexy at that? Well done Oscar for surviving such a torture test ! It would be possible to get a 9-10kg bike that is better specced for not too much more money. A nicer used one. Sure would put that climb on my bucket list if I could get to Spain.

[@erich8258]

The issue is more fake spec than low spec. A budget hybrid has cheap components, but they're cheap components made for the job. Everything on the eurobike (except those shifters) is designed to fake being a road bike.

[@ronbyers9912]

My daughter has a Liv hybrid that cost about $700. It is solid, goes where she wants to go and does what she wants it to do. She can keep up with all of her friends on a group ride. I don't have to worry about it breaking down. I didn't have to spend the price of a small car to buy it.

[@kcchiok]

Ollie got dropped with F12 at the beginning? Oscar is trying his best and Ollie is talking about the view; that's brutal

[@rh6078]

The eurodance intro music for the Eurobike was spot on

[@teridzard1776]

One thing I have to give to the junk bike is that it looks much better than the 2 highly overpriced Chitalonese products on display in this video.

[@engnelsito]

I am actually quite surprised that the Eurobike did so well uphill. Being Ollie 12kg heavier than Oscar and the Eurobike 10kg heavier than the Pinarello, their system weight was very similar and so was their power, suggesting that the losses due to the drivetrain, tires, etc weren't that significant.

[@wilfdarr]

“Can you tell me something?” He would have been so crushed to have put down that effort and not get up in under an hour!

[@Not_Sure_]

That was amazing. This was a great advert for the bike. That bike is only for riding around the block.

[@DaveCM]

I thought the rule of Cervelo Test Team was that you had to talk about Cervelo Test Team as often as you could. LOL!

[@drumskillbobe]

I like how you left the kickstand on there.

[@frazergoodwin4945]

Can you go up and down an epic climb on the cheapest beginner bike you can find? Yes, as long as you are far from a beginner and willing to endure rather than enjoy it. Lesson: if you want to enjoy your riding you'll have to get a much better bike - especially if you're a beginner!

[@milanstojic3304]

Depending on what your goals are, buy electric if you want to just ride without too much sweat, but if you do it for the training..., imagine recommending to a beginner in a gym, to buy 2x lighter weights for 20x more money...

[@jascollinscork]

Great video guys!!! I think the euro bike needs a new lease of life and pimp it out..... plus weigh what comes off it!??"😍

[@silverburn55]

"I did weights last night". Yeah, thats a new one for the excuses book.

[@tomahoks]

I think Oscars words at the end will never make through moderators.

[@mellissanash7517]

maybe for safety and comfort sake they should switch the bars to something very affordable but comfortable along with better pads. Plus, fully lubing the drivetrian wouldn't hurt either.

[@ellargo132]

Spain 🇪🇦 Love ❣️ Spain and Road rutes!

[@chrisvanbuggenum871]

GCN Tech, the only GCN I'll still watch.